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    My next ride will be a two-up full touring rig but BMW will have to do a fantastic sales job to convince me that the new GTL is better than the near bullet proof GL1800 Gold Wing, especially given Motorrad's recalls, FD, EWS, corrosion, stalling issues . . . etc

    Too bad really because I like my R12GS but am losing confidence in the company.

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    bullet proof goldwings

    I have one and haven't had any problems. A friend however has an 09
    and the transmission has been rebuilt.....twice. On the Honda forums there is a lot of talk about transmission problems on Goldwings. And heated seat/grip problems, old news about cracked frames etc. OH and I forgot to mention that changing the air filter is an all day job, or expect to pay in the area of $300 for the dealer to do it. Rediculous.

    I bought one and it is now my next ex motorcycle.
    I am tired of wrasseling the pig arround at low speed and in the garage. The GW becomes very light at speed for such a big motorcycle. But I was putting on way too many miles on my /6 because it is just so much more fun to ride.

    Anyone want to trade a good GS for a Wing?

    Oh by the way, the reason I started this post was to ask a question.
    Is the GTL going to be the direct replacement for the LT?
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    I ride an F800S. I went from an R1200ST to the F800S because I felt the 1200 was too much. That pretty much sums up my opinion about 1600cc bikes in general.

    Reminds me of the time I was at coffee, parked next to an S1000RR. 15 minutes later, a guy saw my helmet, said he had the BMW parked next to mine. I started asking him how smooth it was, and he mentioned his girlfriend loves riding on the back, and even fell asleep once crossing Iowa. Then he mentioned something about armrests and I became extremely confused.

    Walked out to my bike, the S1000RR was gone, and in its place was a giant LT...

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    I owned an '84 Honda Interstate many years back. It was a great bike that was big for its day -- 700+ lbs. It came stock with a great touring seat and high-quality attached luggage. There was a radio option if you wanted one. The fit and finish was superb. I only made one long trip on the bike while I owned it and it performed flawlessly. You could ride that bike all day long and enjoy every mile. The fairing provided a great rider's pocket with little or no buffeting. While I enjoy reading about all the technology and gadgetry -- something in me wants it simpler. That old Interstate would suit me just fine -- with some updates, of course.

    I'll wait to see just what's in store for the 1600 before making up my mind -- I'm mostly interested in the seating position, storage, fairing/windscreen, torque, wet-clutch, and some extra pillion room. I'm not really looking for a 7 series bike, but a competent tourer that won't break the bank. One that weighs in at 700 or fewer pounds, too. We want a long distance bike that gets us where we're going with no fuss -- and on time. If we don't find it -- we'll just keep riding the RT.


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    I have to admit, my one brief ride on a 1980 CBX was enough to sell me on a six cylinder bike. I think BMW is going to be paying the piper in the near future if their reliability doesn't keep pace with their technology. A lot of people, including myself, will not buy a BMW in the first year of production, and based the K1300GT I am beginning to think it wise to wait 2-3 years before buying a new BMW model. The reliability issues with BMW bikes are going to catch up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carockwell View Post
    I have to admit, my one brief ride on a 1980 CBX was enough to sell me on a six cylinder bike. I think BMW is going to be paying the piper in the near future if their reliability doesn't keep pace with their technology. A lot of people, including myself, will not buy a BMW in the first year of production, and based the K1300GT I am beginning to think it wise to wait 2-3 years before buying a new BMW model. The reliability issues with BMW bikes are going to catch up with them.
    That was EXACTLY my thought. Wouldn't it be nice if people talked about BMW reliability in the same way they talk about Honda??
    Sad, really is. When I was looking for my K75, almost EVERYONE, spline-lube aside, said they are as close to bullet proof as they come. 150k or more from the engine. Smooth as silk. 22 years later, that is still true of the K75, but not about BMW's new stuff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carockwell View Post
    I have to admit, my one brief ride on a 1980 CBX was enough to sell me on a six cylinder bike. I think BMW is going to be paying the piper in the near future if their reliability doesn't keep pace with their technology. A lot of people, including myself, will not buy a BMW in the first year of production, and based the K1300GT I am beginning to think it wise to wait 2-3 years before buying a new BMW model. The reliability issues with BMW bikes are going to catch up with them.
    Sage advice!

    I got a new RT in '06 waiting a year to give BMW time to work the bugs out of the new bike. I didn't realize it might take a little longer for some other problems to surface. But now that I've had the bike for 4 years and all the heretofore known bugs have been resolved including a new final drive installed under warranty, I feel like I have a new bike. It'll be a while before I need a replacement.

    I will say this about BMW, they are the best I've seen at honoring warranty work. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard people with other brands tell me disturbing stories that end with them saying their service manager told them, "That's normal."

    Easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy View Post
    I can't tell you the number of times I've heard people with other brands tell me disturbing stories that end with them saying their service manager told them, "That's normal."
    ....or my other favorite, "they all do that."
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    These comments all amuse me!

    Come now boys you know what it is all about:

    "Mine is bigger/better/faster/shinier/whatever than yours!"

    BMW like all good marketers are playing right into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastdogs2 View Post
    Wow!


    So, what do I do, in 2011, if I am considering purchasing the water cooled RT? Do I spend $22,000 for a fully equipped RT or do I go for the 1600GT?
    I really don't want to hijack this thread, but could you point me to a link for info on the water cooled RT? I have not heard of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txtinman View Post
    I really don't want to hijack this thread, but could you point me to a link for info on the water cooled RT? I have not heard of it.
    There's nothing hard out on it yet. The latest issue of BMW Magazine (now employing Sandy Cohen -- a *great* thing, IMO) had a brief article on discussions with a BMW official about future motors. He was cited as saying that water cooling will likely be the boxer's future in view of the coming emissions and noise requirements. A couple artist's concepts of potential arrangements shown (like top intake, bottom exhaust instead of the current rear/front arrangement), but that's it. At least a few years away would be my guess.
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    Inline 6

    Quote Originally Posted by ima4nr View Post
    I have 3 Honda CBXes and a KZ1300. Once you have ridden an inline six, you will be hooked. And the whole is not so much about max hp, which you will not use anyway. It is about the smoooooth delivery of monster torque at roll-on and low end.
    If the GT is anywhere near the weight and dimensions of the current GT, I will be spending some money on a new BMW next year. If it is just a slightly slimmed down GTL ("LT") I will pass.


    Yes the inline 6 power delivery is what will make this bike sell. Torque from 1500 RPM on up - never need to go over 5000 rpm. I love the Honda CBX the KZ1300 and the Benellie 750 this will make BMW stand out!!

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    Interesting...the comments. I like to have the latest thing. If you are not changing, then you are unique in life and the world. Ultimately, you're probably dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjack View Post
    Interesting...the comments. I like to have the latest thing. If you are not changing, then you are unique in life and the world. Ultimately, you're probably dead.
    Kinda my take, too. While I appreciate the 70s rock that I listened to in high school, I also like lots of the new music showing up.

    Same for motorcycles. While I love my old bikes, I'm pretty happy when I get an opportunity to ride something like a Ducati Streetfighter or an MV Agusta.

    When your curiosity goes, you might as well be dead, IMHO.
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