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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post

    But linking constitutional presumed innocence to speeding?

    Sorry - that dog won't hunt.


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    Nothing is 100%

    The best all around detector is Valentine 1. Most great detector saves are from the unit picking up the signal shot at a vehicle in front of you. Widband jamming still seems to me to be an inexact science. IMHO and experience.
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    The bike I've is not a Hayabusa, it's a R 100 RT with 60 hp. My brother had a Hayabusa. He was commuting to work early in the morning last summer. Clear skies, dry road, no traffic, and a 2 km straight portion of the road in front of him. So he went a bit "fast". Was clocked in at 116 km/h in a 80-zone by a laser. 115 would've been OK, a fine equal to $ 1K. Since he was at 116, the fine was more than $ 2K. And no driving for 3 months!
    Just to put things in perspective. I do'nt consider myself a reckless driver. But I could easily been caught in a similar situation. I drive often at times with no traffic.
    I would claim doing the same speed with an old, shabby car is a worse "crime". But the penalty is the same.

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    Isn't it funny how it is more difficult to detect speeders in heavy traffic and so easy when there is little traffic? Going much faster (or slower for that matter) than the surrounding vehicles in congested traffic is dangerous and stupid, yet violaters often get away with it. Police are rarely there when they could do the most good. Just being visible would increase safety.

    On the other hand, going a bit over the posted speed limit when traffic is very light or non-existant is not very dangerous on limited access roads, yet that is usually when and where the police are visible.
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    You know you're getting old when...

    ...the posted speed limits seem just about right.

    Seriously, after 5 or 6 decades under your belt you realize that the years you have lived way outnumber the ones that remain. For me, I treasure the experience of living and riding in these remaining years and really don't want to worry about being a source of revenue enhancement.

    Now, this is coming from someone who has been through the early biker years, the sports car autocross/rally/SCCA racing years, and has had his share of augmented velocity moments. But that was then, and this is now.

    I really don't think there is a way to defeat a laser if you are tagged. But I'd love to see certified, repeatable testing that shows an effective laser-jammer under realistic conditions. However, I'd rather spend my money farkling my bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_K View Post
    Isn't it funny how it is more difficult to detect speeders in heavy traffic and so easy when there is little traffic? Going much faster (or slower for that matter) than the surrounding vehicles in congested traffic is dangerous and stupid, yet violaters often get away with it. Police are rarely there when they could do the most good. Just being visible would increase safety.

    On the other hand, going a bit over the posted speed limit when traffic is very light or non-existant is not very dangerous on limited access roads, yet that is usually when and where the police are visible.
    Define "A bit".
    In most places I've been during my past 45 years of driving (anything) going "a bit" over the limit has never resulted in a ticket, a warning or two with no points or fine but Never a ticket. Now for me "a bit" means 10 MPH or less and I doubt many LEOÔÇÖs bother with folks going ÔÇ£a bitÔÇØ over. Now, 10 or more over can get you an invite, 20 can get you in serious trouble, thou mostly they will knock it down to under 20 so there is no reckless charge if you are polite and are not being an ass about it or the manner in which you were operating the vehicle.

    As for radar/laser avoidance, don't be stupid about speed and if you do, then pay up, you Were in violation, period.

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    'Protect you from laser'? Now there's an interesting concept...I agree with the folks who counsel that the only 'protection' from a speeding ticket is to slow the heck down! A jamming device will most likely be illegal, perhaps even a felony to use or possess, not sure what the current laws state...And it's foolish to deny that any sort of ladar/radar/laser/whatever device is wanted other than to facilitate speeding!

    Hey, just how many electronic devices do we want on our motorcycles in the quest to slow down and relax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarddog View Post
    A jamming device will most likely be illegal, perhaps even a felony to use or possess, not sure what the current laws state...
    Radar jamming is illegal everywhere. Laser, only in some states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarddog View Post
    'Protect you from laser'? Now there's an interesting concept...I agree with the folks who counsel that the only 'protection' from a speeding ticket is to slow the heck down! A jamming device will most likely be illegal, perhaps even a felony to use or possess, not sure what the current laws state...And it's foolish to deny that any sort of ladar/radar/laser/whatever device is wanted other than to facilitate speeding!

    Hey, just how many electronic devices do we want on our motorcycles in the quest to slow down and relax?
    SShhhh, no one is supposed to know that.....



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    You cannot jam a laser signal except by EMI, which would probably kill your bike too. The only counter attack to laser mapping is to send your own laser signal back to the source. This involves spotting the laser, targeting the source, and sending your own signal back to the source. Naturally, your signal will say you are going slower than your actual speed. There is no commercial laser jammer doing this and it would need a 360 degree rotating lens to do it. The only way the military can "jam" lasers is with smoke. Who knew my old Triumph was really jamming police lasers from the rear? No wonder I never got any tickets on that bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carockwell View Post
    You cannot jam a laser signal except by EMI, which would probably kill your bike too. The only counter attack to laser mapping is to send your own laser signal back to the source.
    That's what laser shifters do. They are transceivers. It's pretty basic ECM. Lots of videos about this: Shifters
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    That's what laser shifters do. They are transceivers. It's pretty basic ECM. Lots of videos about this: Shifters
    Thanks for the tip!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    Thanks for the tip!!

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    Just because you believe that lidar speed detection equipment from the past few years is snake oil doesn't make it so. Lidar shifters are now illegal in something like 10 states for a good reason. They work.

    From a purely technical perspective, I'm a military electronic tech, trained in radar and ECM to the component level. I've also been repairing electronic equipment for a living for over 40 years. Laser frequency shifters are perfectly capable of confusing speed sensing lidar if they are installed correctly and if the speed lidar beam actually hits the antenna. This is electronic countermeasures 101 and it goes back to the 1940's.

    Have you ever noticed that many of the same companies that make the police equipment make the civilian equipment? Just like the phone company makes money off caller ID and call blocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    Just because you believe that lidar speed detection equipment from the past few years is snake oil doesn't make it so. Lidar shifters are now illegal in something like 10 states for a good reason. They work.

    From a purely technical perspective, I'm a military electronic tech, trained in radar and ECM to the component level. I've also been repairing electronic equipment for a living for over 40 years. Laser frequency shifters are perfectly capable of confusing speed sensing lidar if they are installed correctly and if the speed lidar beam actually hits the antenna. This is electronic countermeasures 101 and it goes back to the 1940's.

    Have you ever noticed that many of the same companies that make the police equipment make the civilian equipment? Just like the phone company makes money off caller ID and call blocking.
    I don't doubt a word you say, and your qualifications are, to say the least, impressive.

    But I too have "been in the business for 32+years" and I ran out of tickets before I ran out of targets - many of whom trusted their fate to 'detectors, jammers. etc.'

    Whether the sophisticated devices we LEO's used, or the Electronic Countermeasures employed by the speedy, there is a human factor in all of it - perhaps that's what levels the playing field from time to time.

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    Anything built can be jammed. All you need is a stronger signal than the one reflected from your vehicle. The problem is that it takes a license to operate on the various frequencies we are talking about because the effective jamming devices are all transmitters. Just pay the ticket or slow down and travel without all the stress.

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