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    The dealer in Windber, PA was MATCO'S RV Sales and service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johobie View Post
    The dealer in Windber, PA was MATCO'S RV Sales and service.
    I think MATCO was the next to last dealer in Windber. The last dealer sold BMW, Honda and John Deere lawn care. To the best of my knowledge, the name was "Windber Motorsport". However, that could be really wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    The shop was nothing fancy, but you knew they were knowledgable and honest. A boutique motif doesn't deliver that.
    There you go with misinformed stereotypes again.

    Our combined car/motorcycles dealers surely would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Hmmm.......It's a motorcycle. Except for a few weenies, most people don't think of it as a status symbol.

    Now, if I could only convince those materialistic twits on the BMWCCA forum............

    Whatever your choice, just go play with your toys and leave the "posing" to the teenagers.
    Ah, but you "pose" as someone who knows something about business and marketing.

    Biggest rationalization you'll ever see is someone that thinks motorcycle ownership is economical or green or something with no status.

    Since I haven't bought a new motorcycle since buying my '84 RS in 12/'83 (and then the '84 G/S in '85) and since I never ride anywhere without my wife on her RT, I likely don't fit your fantasized profile. But, I do have lots of automotive industry knowledge and experience.

    And, I've been a member of BMWCCA since the mid-'80s and you haven't a clue, but I know for sure that namecalling doesn't represent meaningful analysis.

    Bottom line is that BMW is selling more motorcycles than ever before (current economic slump interfering for sure) and it's because they know what they're doing. They may lose a few along the way, but the goal is to gain more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    Ah, but you "pose" as someone who knows something about business and marketing.

    Biggest rationalization you'll ever see is someone that thinks motorcycle ownership is economical or green or something with no status.

    Since I haven't bought a new motorcycle since buying my '84 RS in 12/'83 (and then the '84 G/S in '85) and since I never ride anywhere without my wife on her RT, I likely don't fit your fantasized profile. But, I do have lots of automotive industry knowledge and experience.

    And, I've been a member of BMWCCA since the mid-'80s and you haven't a clue, but I know for sure that namecalling doesn't represent meaningful analysis.

    Bottom line is that BMW is selling more motorcycles than ever before (current economic slump interfering for sure) and it's because they know what they're doing. They may lose a few along the way, but the goal is to gain more.
    I'm just a consumer, not an industry insider. I can only speak to what causes my wallet to magically open and spew forth dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swall View Post
    C&D BMW, Freeport,IL. Run by the late Bill Fleming.
    Me, too. I was sorry to see it close. When oilheads came in, perhaps Bill was overwhelmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwdean View Post
    Me, too. I was sorry to see it close. When oilheads came in, perhaps Bill was overwhelmed.
    One of Bill's employees tried to buy the shop so Bill could retire. BMWNA didn't approve the deal because they believed there was no way to make enough money there.

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    Mulally Cycles somewhere around Jeffersonville, NY. I was working in the area and stopped by; they had one R1200C wedged in between some garden tractors and so forth. John Deere and BMW Motorcycles; that was basically the deal. They might still be around but I doubt they were doing much for BMW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    Bottom line is that BMW is selling more motorcycles than ever before (current economic slump interfering for sure) and it's because they know what they're doing. They may lose a few along the way, but the goal is to gain more.
    World wide sales yes. US sales though have been pretty much flat for a few years IIRC. Maybe the lack of dealers etc. does have an effect on sales here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSfornow View Post
    World wide sales yes. US sales though have been pretty much flat for a few years IIRC. Maybe the lack of dealers etc. does have an effect on sales here.
    Not to mention some new model introductions that were favorably received. They could indeed do better with a wider dealer network.

    My local dealer (Countryrode) just started carrying BiMota (was already carrying Vespa). It seems BMWNA is a bit more flexible that they've been w/ floor space, signage, etc. for multi Brand. That's a good thing. Dealers need to be solvent.

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    An observation:

    Montana has one BMW dealer... We have six KTM dealers; one of which happens to also be the only BMW dealer. I have to wonder, as KTM introduces more road-bike models, if their more accessible approach won't be more successful at attracting new customers than BMW's.

    I mean, if I want to go see a KTM, I can go to the dealer right here in my town. Some of his customers may even have gone in there to see a Yamaha or Suzuki, and then bought an orange bike instead. I doubt many beemers have been sold like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    Not to mention some new model introductions that were favorably received. They could indeed do better with a wider dealer network.
    Very true but how far will folks drive to check out a new model? Time will tell I suppose. Sportbikes seem to be an urban thing so that could bode well as most BMW dealers seem to be in metropolitian areas. I would agree that multibrand is not a bad thing. I have no problem bike shopping at a multibrand motorcycle dealer but after having been in a few BMW car dealers I don't think I would enjoy a combination motorcycle / auto BMW dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSfornow View Post
    Very true but how far will folks drive to check out a new model? Time will tell I suppose. Sportbikes seem to be an urban thing so that could bode well as most BMW dealers seem to be in metropolitian areas. I would agree that multibrand is not a bad thing. I have no problem bike shopping at a multibrand motorcycle dealer but after having been in a few BMW car dealers I don't think I would enjoy a combination motorcycle / auto BMW dealer.
    I can't recall if it was at Rhinebec,k NY or Missoula, MT, but BMWMOA invited Triumph and MotoGuzzi to offer test rides at the National Rally. That sense of independence from BMWNA, has always been an attraction to me. While BMW is a good brand, BMWMOA has typically placed the membership before the brand. In simple terms, the foundation of the BMWMOA seems to have been in people who spent a lot of time riding their bikes. As such, many members are more interested in keeping their "ride" on the road, as opposed to basking in the "BMW experience" (whatever that may be). In that light, more dealers, offering product that sells in their regions and service for all models, is attractive to many BMW riders and BMWMOA members.

    Of cousre, that is just my humble opinion, even though I've taken the liberty to assume that I speak for many BMW riders and BMWMOA members. However, I'm sure that the ones that disagree with me will voice their opinions on the subject and, possibly, me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSfornow View Post
    ... I don't think I would enjoy a combination motorcycle / auto BMW dealer.
    Same here. It could work with appropriate staff and firewalls ... but a motorcyclist approaches (in general) bike buying differently than car buying. IMHO the sales process should be fundamentally different and I don't particularly care for car sales techniques. (admit to painting w/ a broad brush here but car sales people have the reputations they do for valid reasons). It may not be as bad at a high end brand such as BMW but I've seen it. It exists.

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    [QUOTE=Kevin;503960]It may not be as bad at a high end brand such as BMW/QUOTE]


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