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    Quote Originally Posted by 58058 View Post
    So, have you heard if BMW is no longer recommending the regular addition of the fuel additive? The 6-pack of Techron was pretty cheap at Costco, so no big deal, but it would be nice not to have to add something to every fillup. My biggest worry with that is getting it on the paint.....
    No. They have not said that they do no longer recommend it. Just that they are not including it and cleaning the throttle bodies in the fix for stalling. And that the software fix will totally fix the stalling issue regardless of any need for cleaning.
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    According to my dealer this morning. BMW has just issued an "official" recall on all K1300 motorcycles. It's a quick software update and supposedly even refines a few things making the bike a little smoother. He says no appointment is necessary, just a quick courtesy call to let them know you're on your way.

    I haven't had mine done yet, but probably will within the next couple of weeks. I've only had mine for 3 months and it has 6,100 miles on it but SO FAR has never stalled on me (KNOCK ON WOOD!) But now I have to get the update, since it's "official"
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    I read the recall info. I found it astounding, since it says bad fuel can cause deposits that cause a loss of air at just off idle in stopping situations. So bad fuel and cruddy throttle bodies can now be fixed with a computer adjustment. It sounds like they are going to have to enrichen the map.

    It sounds like the map was too lean (Oilhead surging redux, anybody?) and needs to be richer. I wonder of they are doing the recall in Canada?
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    At least they are now recognizing the issue and moving forward with a fix at the expense of the manufacturer.

    Jury is still out..........

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    The NHTSA investigation undoubtedly forced the acceleration of their announced recall. NHTSA initiated the investigation of the stalling problem in the first week of November, so this is not unexpected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwestly View Post
    The NHTSA investigation undoubtedly forced the acceleration of their announced recall. NHTSA initiated the investigation of the stalling problem in the first week of November, so this is not unexpected.
    Or coulda been the fact that dealers were pulling 1300 bikes off the floor 'til they were fixed...
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    Doesnt say much for any manufacture when the Safety Council has to step to order a fix. This goes against everything that BMW stands for in my book.

    Shame on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhot View Post
    I haven't had mine done yet, but probably will within the next couple of weeks. I've only had mine for 3 months and it has 6,100 miles on it but SO FAR has never stalled on me (KNOCK ON WOOD!) But now I have to get the update, since it's "official"

    Let us know how it goes - very interested to see the driveability difference of before and after update.

    Mine also stalls very infrequently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motogp View Post
    Doesnt say much for any manufacture when the Safety Council has to step to order a fix. This goes against everything that BMW stands for in my book.

    Shame on them
    Why do we think BMW wasn't working on this from the beginning and trying to find a permanant fix? And that it took time and testing and developing a new map for the engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I read the recall info. I found it astounding, since it says bad fuel can cause deposits that cause a loss of air at just off idle in stopping situations. So bad fuel and cruddy throttle bodies can now be fixed with a computer adjustment. It sounds like they are going to have to enrichen the map.

    It sounds like the map was too lean (Oilhead surging redux, anybody?) and needs to be richer. I wonder of they are doing the recall in Canada?
    My take on it is that the new map doesn't allow the engine to be as susceptible to fuel issues, deposits, and be too lean. The newly mapped bikes don't come down to idle as fast, so I read. Also, I wonder how they are going to meet the future epa requirements. That further makes me wonder if the "it mostly only happens in the US" supports those thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjack View Post
    Why do we think BMW wasn't working on this from the beginning and trying to find a permanant fix? And that it took time and testing and developing a new map for the engine.
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    My stalling started in June after 6400 miles were on the bike. I rode the bike for five months with this problem and it was not fun. After I had the throttle plates cleaned the stalling ceased. Now, why do I think BMW was not working the problem? It's because I got the mushroom treatment form my dealer and BMW NA. There was no feedback from BMW that they even acknowledged that a problem existed. Since most dealers could not replicate the malfunction there was a certain amount of disbelief on the BMW side. Then when the owners banded together and started registering complaints with the NHTSB and multiple forums BMW started to take notice. This has not ben a pleasant experience for those of us that had the stalling problems. This is the antithesis of how good customer relations are established.

    My two cents.

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    Thumbs down

    My two cents reflect the sediments of Dons email with the problem I had with the K1200S. They didnt recognize the problem I was having although they had reports from hundreds of owners of the same complaint along with the rear drive failure that BMW still state are non- existant and will not cover repair bills.
    Now the 1300 issues?? I agree that all manufactures face common problems with thier products wether they are automotive, toasters or motorcycles. It is the way the problems are addressed that make a manufacture win my next purchase and the way BMW has handled this problem is enough for me to move onto other manufactures for my two wheeled pleasure.

    My two cents............

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakyohmeca View Post
    Jack
    My stalling started in June after 6400 miles were on the bike. I rode the bike for five months with this problem and it was not fun. After I had the throttle plates cleaned the stalling ceased. Now, why do I think BMW was not working the problem? It's because I got the mushroom treatment form my dealer and BMW NA. There was no feedback from BMW that they even acknowledged that a problem existed. Since most dealers could not replicate the malfunction there was a certain amount of disbelief on the BMW side. Then when the owners banded together and started registering complaints with the NHTSB and multiple forums BMW started to take notice. This has not ben a pleasant experience for those of us that had the stalling problems. This is the antithesis of how good customer relations are established.

    My two cents.

    Don S
    Ok. I certainly feel your pain. I'm just used to BMW being mum about issues even to the extent of formally stating there is no issue and then coming out with a fix a few weeks later. I guess I kind of expect it after 40 years. I even know of a dealer who pulled the 1300s off the floor last summer. My dealer didn't ignore it either, they just didn't know how to fix it. BMW was working on it they said. And as far as the throttle body cleaning goes, they had stallers with clean throttle bodies. There was one '06 K12S that just started stalling last fall and the remap fixed it. My wife's and my '08 K12Ses have stalled only once in the heat last summer. I think I'll remap them both.
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    My Experience

    I've got an '09 K1300GT and had seen the stalling problem 3 or 4 times when this issue first appeared in this thread. Having read about it here, I worked with my dealer (BMW Motorcycles of Atlanta). The dealer has been excellent to deal with - both giving me regular updates and following the guidance of BMW Corporate,

    On the recommendation of BMW Corporate, I had my throttle bodies cleaned and the adaptives reset, and never had the problem again. I have since also gotten the software update. Dealer said throttle bodies were clean. I'm certain I didn't train teh adaptives the same way as I was no longer in the break-in period .

    The service manager speculates that it is a series of conditions that lead to the stalling - a large part of which is how the adaptives learn/set up, our riding style, and conditions of fuel, etc. Fortunately, one of their 'test' bikes - a K1300S also had the problem, so they were able to experiment with it, and didn't think I was crazy even if they didn't reproduce the problem on my bike.

    Having worked in customer support in a large corporation for a long time, I do believe there is a 'life cycle' of these problems. They get reported; they get checked. If they can't reproduce, the reports are suspect; if they can, they start work. Even when they can't reproduce the problem, if the reports persist, they look further as it may be very intermittent or only under certain conditions that it occurs. This appears to be a highly complex, intermittent problem that took time to reproduce, then solve, then ensure that the fix actually solved the problem.

    I'll admit I'm one of the first to escalate and put pressure on companies when I think I'm not being fairly treated - that just wasn't my experience here - if anything, it strengthened my support of my local dealer.

    Just my .02 (or maybe .0000002) worth, but my experience was very good.
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    Good insight Steve - since you had the software upgrade have you noted any change in driveability, either good or bad?
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