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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerfish1100 View Post
    i'd sure rather tackle that going uphill than down! that kind of large scrabble doesn't give much for braking traction. or most any other kind of traction you might be looking for.
    going up must be just as tough!

    probably the best way to ride this going down would be to put the bike in first, turn the motor off, and use the clutch to control forward motion. using the front brake for anything more than basic control would be a recipe for a face plant.

    mike - what do you recommend.

    ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visian View Post
    going up must be just as tough!

    probably the best way to ride this going down would be to put the bike in first, turn the motor off, and use the clutch to control forward motion. using the front brake for anything more than basic control would be a recipe for a face plant.

    mike - what do you recommend.

    ian
    The closest "event" to ending in motorcycle death by free slide off a cliff was on this kind of stuff..my family coined the word "Marble Patch".

    When you try to slow down, you slide, and when you slide, you have no directional control, so once the speed of your bike is set by the leash of low gear, keep rolling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerfish1100 View Post
    i'd sure rather tackle that going uphill than down! that kind of large scrabble doesn't give much for braking traction. or most any other kind of traction you might be looking for.
    Quote Originally Posted by redclfco
    The closest "event" to ending in motorcycle death by free slide off a cliff was on this kind of stuff..my family coined the word "Marble Patch".

    When you try to slow down, you slide, and when you slide, you have no directional control, so once the speed of your bike is set by the leash of low gear, keep rolling!
    Actually i was trying to get up this stuff.... this was the first summer i had the silver GS after comming back from Australia... to say the least... this was a bit over my skills for off road riding... i had been down a few nasty sections already with others like Scholfield (which is off limits except for expert riders) and HandCock passes but i went down the other section of road to have lunch at the lake and could not make it up the other section since it was too steep with and turn around a tree to get up... so i went up the main section of road... rule... NEVER LISTEN TO AN ATVer from Texas... just above about 50 yds from the picture the road turned to just dirt... i was doing about 30-35mph and hit the big rock just below the rear tire (picture) at this point i was 4/5 of the way up this section of this 'Marble Patch'... and spun out and went down... not a scratch on the bike.. i had a sprained left hand from going over the the handle bars into a bush... my Rally Pro 1 jacket did its job and not even a mark since i landed boulder in the bush. .. i tried to get the bike going again up hill even walking/running it.. no go... then it took me about 20 minutes to get the bike pointed down hill when i took the picture... with a stiff left hand i had to ride out to Taylor Park and then to Almont (south of Crested Butte) for fuel... i went 272 miles on the tank that day..

    but to get out i had to go through a section where the road and river are one... at least it was August and we had a good drought that year normally the water is about knee deep..

    and a few boulder fields...

    YEs on a 600 or less i would have no problem... even know with my much more imporved riding skills i could most likely do it now... but i first need to ride other roads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visian View Post
    going up must be just as tough!

    probably the best way to ride this going down would be to put the bike in first, turn the motor off, and use the clutch to control forward motion. using the front brake for anything more than basic control would be a recipe for a face plant.

    mike - what do you recommend.

    ian
    Dirt roads or Dirt Pass Roads.

    Level Easy/Beginner... somthing a Jagurar could do in most contitions... normally a bit of coregation in the switch back and curves..

    Cottonwood (west side... eas side is paved)
    Crooked pass (Eagle to Frying Pan river via to Basalt, Dry only has section of Bentonite on the south side which is a mess in the wet)
    Yellow Jacket Pass (East of Meeker, South of Craig)
    Kebler and Ohio Passes (west of Crested Butte) warning on Kebler.. the cars
    drive a bit too fast since it is a nice dirt road
    Muddy/Buzzard Pass/Divide (From 6 miles west of McClure Pass CO133 to Colburn, CO)
    Owl Creek Pass (west of Ridgeway, SSW of Gunnision)
    Wanitia, Black Sage, and Old Monarch Passes (do them as one ride) (South of Pitkin {East of Gunnision ending just above Monarch Ski area})
    West Cottonwood (Carbondale to Gypsum) one section is bentonite alone a climb that is fine to go down (from Gypsum in dry contirions and is okay to come up with okay tires)
    Stunner Pass ( South of South Fork on the way to Cumbres and La Magna Passes)
    Marshal Pass (just take right about half way up Poncha Pass leaving from Poncha Sprgs heading south)
    Shrine Pass (at Vail Pass)
    Old Cochatoe Pass (SSE of Gunnision)
    Los Pinas Pass (south of Gunnision)
    Gunellia Pass (out of Georgetown

    Intermediate (I can do these on Metz Tourance tires but most would want knobbies since there are sectoins that might be tricky or loose or imbedded roack sections... in a rough order to how i rate them from easier intermediate to the harder intermediate)

    Cumberland Pass (south of Taylor Park/ town of Tin Cup) it was some larger
    gravel-ly on the surface but not issuse to 4 wheels but for us on
    on 2
    Ptarmagain Pass (west side only) (Above camp Hale, north of Leadville)
    Webster Pass (North Side on the town of Montezuma)
    Jones Pass (access at bottom of Berthod Pass
    Scholfield Pass (South Side only!!! sharp switch backs and paridise valley road is narrow with great views but very steep drop offs)
    Weston Pass (only on section on west side is a bit steep and looser dirt... can get messy if it has been rain a lot without not much traffic on it east side is a dirt highway
    Hagerman Pass (Basalt to Leadville) Some imbedded rocks on the top with looser sections on east with lot of cross road water erosions 'speed dips' west side from the upper section has some imbedded road with loose rocks to technical manuvering in one section)
    Ophir Pass (heading west only west side) West side has this easier to go down then up trust me on this

    Gateway to Castle Valley, UT road... if wet it is a muddy mess of sludge
    Rollins Pass (I have only done the East Side up to where the FS closed the road the last 1/4 mile to the Needles tunnel)
    Georgia Pass (north side... can be quite rough)

    Advance/Expert ( only listing them... you need to contact me on conditions and issues

    Webster Pass (South side is not nice into Handcock (??name) Gultch)
    Mosquito Pass (east of Leadville 13285ft up)
    Ptarmagain Pass (East/North side) (very narrow through the forest on the top half.. then into a box canyon where you play hopscotch with the creek that
    has some deep at time sections of creek)
    Scholfield Pass (Punch bowl section west side)
    Black Bear Pass (personally dont do it it is not nice to say the least if do able with out major cycle damage on a large bike)
    Imogene Pass (dont know much ... it is nasty in a lot of section... did it in a jeep long time ago)
    Cinnimon Pass
    Engineer Pass
    Ophir Pass (heading East from town of Ophir)
    Lead King Basin Road (above Marble... do this going down it... would be nasty to get up the main valley section of the skree field you drive up at the hair pin turn)
    Taylor Pass (South Side is a tough... North side is Intermediate)
    Many more i have not done
    Last edited by OUTBACKUFO; 01-12-2009 at 12:17 AM. Reason: update infor with more info

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    Ian- i would not recommend using no engine for downhill. if you need power, you just don't have it in a controllable form. if you don't need it.. well, that's what the clutch does for ya.

    we found out a bit late that Schofield

    was not navigable by our "GS" bikes. (3 R1100Ss and one R1200ST)

    fortunately, the only damage was a flat tire via a candy corn sized rock.

    we made it about 7 miles up- apparently, just before things get tricky.
    Ride Safe, Ride Lots

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerfish1100 View Post
    Ian- i would not recommend using no engine for downhill. if you need power, you just don't have it in a controllable form. if you don't need it.. well, that's what the clutch does for ya.

    we found out a bit late that Schofield

    we made it about 7 miles up- apparently, just before things get tricky.
    I would tell people dont even think about Scholfield pass.... its rough side (Marble side) is a very terechous and very technical even for jeeps with lift kits

    http://www.code4x4.com/articles/schofield_jeep/schofield-jeep-trip.html

    one with a video of jeeps going up
    http://www.atvtrails.org/Schofield_Pass.html

    the problem with Scholfield Pass is going up is rough for anything even small cycles... a GS would be very difficult... plus the line normally for a cycle is a on the outside on the edge.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/dok1/66278691/ a picture of the river you have to drive through normally cylindar deep water even at the end of the summer..
    cars have to stop and dry there brakes before heading down.
    more picts
    http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/co/schofield.html

    http://www.mycolorado.org/images/sch...s/IMG_3157.jpg
    http://www.mycolorado.org/images/sch...s/IMG_3178.jpg

    Good pict from ADVrider on Scholfield

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTBACKUFO View Post
    I would tell people dont even think about Scholfield pass.... its rough side (Marble side) is a very terechous and very technical even for jeeps with lift kits

    http://www.code4x4.com/articles/schofield_jeep/schofield-jeep-trip.html

    one with a video of jeeps going up
    http://www.atvtrails.org/Schofield_Pass.html

    the problem with Scholfield Pass is going up is rough for anything even small cycles... a GS would be very difficult... plus the line normally for a cycle is a on the outside on the edge.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/dok1/66278691/ a picture of the river you have to drive through normally cylindar deep water even at the end of the summer..
    cars have to stop and dry there brakes before heading down.
    more picts
    http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/co/schofield.html

    http://www.mycolorado.org/images/sch...s/IMG_3157.jpg
    http://www.mycolorado.org/images/sch...s/IMG_3178.jpg

    Good pict from ADVrider on Scholfield
    I went a few miles above Crystal, and decided to turn around and find a place back down to camp by the stream. I did not want to go higher and bust my chops way up there by my self late into the evening....

    See that little wild stream?

    Those rapids hold sweet little brook trout!

    I'm glad I stopped! Plus Marble is still as delightful as the first time I explored it at the age of 4!


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    Quote Originally Posted by redclfco View Post
    I went a few miles above Crystal, and decided to turn around and find a place back down to camp by the stream. I did not want to go higher and bust my chops way up there by my self late into the evening....

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    How did you like with road tires getting up to the fork in the road above Crystal town site where to the left to LeadKing and to the right Scholfield... I have gone into Crystal with Metz tourance but with spoked rims... a bit gutzy to go in on mag rims and not worry about cracking a rim...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTBACKUFO View Post
    How did you like with road tires getting up to the fork in the road above Crystal town site where to the left to LeadKing and to the right Scholfield... I have gone into Crystal with Metz tourance but with spoked rims... a bit gutzy to go in on mag rims and not worry about cracking a rim...
    Thats exactly why I turned around! What I went up, I had to go down!
    The road just got worse and worse, plus I alomost got ko'd by a jeep; once stopped, I was lucky to get going again!

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