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    Wyoming Speeding Ticket

    Hi All,

    Had a great time at the Rally in Gillette! My first one and now looking forward to many more! Met a whole bunch of really nice folks and got to see some breathtaking views and ride some spectacular roads touring out and back.

    I'm not sure if it's appropriate or not to ask for legal (?) help here - if not, my apologies in advance! What I'm in need of is some legal representation for a speeding ticket I received on Highway 141 in or near the county/city/town of Sweetwater. There really wasn't much out there but a whole lot of flat land and an approaching storm the size of Rhode Island (and of course a Wyoming State Trooper!).

    If anyone has a referral to a paralegal or lawyer who can show up in court for me and get this reduced I'd appreciate the info either here or a private email. Any advice really would be appreciated, Thanks!

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    sorry i have no legal advise for you but in all my time at the rally the only cop i saw was the one driving around the cam-plex. i rode on lots of roads well above the posted limited on a daily basis, as i am sure many others did, without seeing a single cop. if it were me i would just pay the ticket and be done with it. sorry about your misfortune but don't let that deter you from attending next years rally in TN.

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    Don't waste your time

    Unless you have definitive proof that you were not speeding.

    While fighting a ticket I received in Mississippi, I learned that speeding is one of several laws that, if you are doing it, you are guilty; regardless of why you were doing it. In my case, it was a logging truck tailgating me on a downhill stretch of empty state road. I sped up to create space between us and came to the patrolman's attention first. The judge was nice about it. After I pled self-defense, he lowered the ticket to the minimum and saved me a whole ten dollars. If you figure in the cost of riding 500 miles, having breakfast and lunch on the road, and spending 3 hours in court, it would have been much cheaper to just send the check.

    The only satisfaction I received was keeping the patrolman in the courtroom for three hours on his day off. That, and a nice ride, of course.

    YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRTGRL View Post
    Hi All,

    Had a great time at the Rally in Gillette! My first one and now looking forward to many more! Met a whole bunch of really nice folks and got to see some breathtaking views and ride some spectacular roads touring out and back.

    If anyone has a referral to a paralegal or lawyer who can show up in court for me and get this reduced I'd appreciate the info either here or a private email. Any advice really would be appreciated, Thanks!
    Lorna-

    Glad you enjoyed the rally and hope to see you in TN.

    The only experience I had was years ago while riding a 3 Flags Classic. I could see for miles and there was a lot of wide open spaces and nothing that was an immediate danger (except for the LEO)
    On the two-laners the speed limit was 65, and he cited me for 75. I think I would have been o.k., and explained my speedo was broken (actually the tac was). His comment was "I thought Beemers didn't break down. I ride a Harley, and everyone expects them to breakdown". I replied with....they don't, but their speedos do Needless to say....I got the ticket.

    I checked the area for someone to represent me, but ultimately paid the ticket. It wasn't worth the hassle.

    Fortunately, the nice officer who stopped me Friday 5 miles from Paonia, CO only gave me a warning.

    Good luck, and see you in TN
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    As a career law enforcement officer, my feelings on personal responsibility are pretty well set in concrete - you got caught in the voluntary act of speeding - pay the ticket.

    I sympathize with your decision to ramp up the RPM's in lieu of an approaching storm. I myself got caught by two nasty weather cells in South Dakota on the way to the Rally, the second of which, like 'the hand of God,' slapped me into a ditch.

    I would have hoped the WY officer had shown more empathy to your decision-making process, cautioned you, and then stayed with you as an escort to the nearest safe exit - that is what I would have done.

    But it didn't go down that way and you were cited.

    My wife got into a crash while I was in Gillette - and Failure To Yield citation coming. Do I try my influence with the City Attorney's Office over the ticket? Nope - will pay it without a fuss. Need to 'walk the walk.'

    However, all this being said, be patient on this forum. I have no doubt that some card-carrying ACLU paralegal will jump to your 'defense' and you may find a way out of this yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    As a career law enforcement officer, my feelings on personal responsibility are pretty well set in concrete - you got caught in the voluntary act of speeding - pay the ticket.
    I live in the west and take advantage of the open roads and light patrols to make time. Once in a while I get caught. I stop, am polite and cooperative, and allow the man (or woman) to do his or her job. In almost all cases they are professional and respectful. Sometimes I get a warning, usually a write down from the cited speed. When I have to pay, I figure it's just a cost of doing business, like gas and tires - and not a bad deal when compared to all the other times I didn't have a road-side conversation.
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    speeding ticket

    Lorna:

    The main issue here is demerit points on your operator's licence. If your home state and Wyoming are reciprocating jurisdictions, the conviction there may have consequences for you, and make the expense of local counsel worthwhile.

    I defend all my local tags, because I don't want points.


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    Last ticket I got in Wyoming they said If paid in full within 10 days there would be no record sent to my home state and thus no record to Insurance company. That was however Goshen county Sheriff and not the State Troopers.

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    lotsa simpathy you been gettin.... if you dont mind all the appearences, ask about a defensive driving course. I did this for a out of state ticket years back, it cost more than the ticket total, but it stayed off my record. its a neat system- what ever you do costs more money..

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    This link will take you to the Wyoming State Bar website and the "need a lawyer" page where you can put the area of need in, and the state, and those lawyers who meet the criteria will come up in a list. You might just choose "criminal defense" rather than the more limited "traffic violations" since the latter will limit you somewhat, depending on the town. I think Mike Newman does that type of work, out of Rock Springs, and there will likely be others. If a lawyer indicates that he does that type of work, that is a reliable indicator that you are getting someone who works in that area of the law.

    Good luck.

    http://www.wyomingbar.org/directory/need_lawyer.html

    BTW, I am not a card carrying ACLU lawyer or paralegal. I am a member of the Wyoming State Bar, and am just trying to help you uphold your right to seek counsel, as guaranteed by the US and State Constitutions. And I work in law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregFeeler View Post
    I live in the west and take advantage of the open roads and light patrols to make time. Once in a while I get caught. I stop, am polite and cooperative, and allow the man (or woman) to do his or her job. In almost all cases they are professional and respectful. Sometimes I get a warning, usually a write down from the cited speed. When I have to pay, I figure it's just a cost of doing business, like gas and tires - and not a bad deal when compared to all the other times I didn't have a road-side conversation.
    You are a rarity, Greg, and someone who is appreciated by law enforcement.

    Everyone wants to tell us how to do our job, but few line up to actually do it, much less take the kind of personal responsibility you exhibit.

    I appreciate your candor, and undoubtably, you would have been one of the thousands of individuals I would have given a warning to over my career. I was always getting in hot water for not writing enough tickets, but hey - I was allowed a certain amount of discretion, and made sure I used it liberally.

    Someday, we shall meet - first beer on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    You are a rarity, Greg, and someone who is appreciated by law enforcement.

    Everyone wants to tell us how to do our job, but few line up to actually do it, much less take the kind of personal responsibility you exhibit.

    I appreciate your candor, and undoubtably, you would have been one of the thousands of individuals I would have given a warning to over my career. I was always getting in hot water for not writing enough tickets, buh heh - I was allowed a certain amount of discretion, and made sure I used it liberally.

    Someday, we shall meet - first beer on me.
    I can't prove it, but I'm non-the-less convinced that the majority of LEOs who have pulled me over took a good look at the bike, me, my gear (ATGATT), and considered my attitude (lack of) and then found a way to cut some slack. Either way, it was my choice to twist the grip. I've even had some excellent road-side conservations about bikes the ended up with, "ride safe" - but no performance award.

    That beer sounds like a great idea!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregFeeler View Post
    I live in the west and take advantage of the open roads and light patrols to make time. Once in a while I get caught. I stop, am polite and cooperative, and allow the man (or woman) to do his or her job. In almost all cases they are professional and respectful. Sometimes I get a warning, usually a write down from the cited speed. When I have to pay, I figure it's just a cost of doing business, like gas and tires - and not a bad deal when compared to all the other times I didn't have a road-side conversation.

    We got tagged for exuberant velocity in Idaho. We were pleasant to the officer, making sure we had hands visible when he walked up. We chatted a bit, he wrote me up and we were on our way.

    We'll pay it this week. He had me fair and square.
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    I'm always polite, no excuses, thank them for the warning and am on my way.
    I just can't imagine "fighting" an out of state ticket.

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    I have to say that the police in WY were quite understanding. They could have stepped up presence knowing what would be happening in an area... but they didn't. Additionally, I went buy two... one was nearly 70 in a 40 coming around a corner, he was on the side of the road, my detector went full alert instantly, I came off the gas knowing that he had me dead to rights, as I was coasting, he simply waved. I guess he figured that I was under control, out of traffic, in my lane, and geared up... not sure but I slowed down for a while after that! Second instance was on the interstate returning to the rally, got clocked around 90-95... again, no response from the officer, coming from VA I feel that I was incredibly lucky though!

    Sorry you did not have the same experience though. I am not bragging, just understanding that they could have been totally different, you are the first one I heard of that had any interaction with them.

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