In any case, there are many test setups that could be done to test objective performance, and if many tests have been done, one has to look at all of them, not just focus on the one that yields the preferred result. And it's in looking at all the tests I can find that I consistently see the Escort 8500 and the V1 neck and neck, and when a winner is called, the Escort more often than not is declared the winner.
No, I'm not going to "forget it." Good data is the basis of any good decision. To refuse to look at it is folly.And... you're not going to "see the data" as this isn't a university class or a double blind controlled experiment, so forget it
This isn't like picking your favorite color where there results cannot be measured and compared. The great thing about radar detectors is that they are very easily testable in an objective manner, so objective data *are* very much available. And when I look at the data from the sources I can find, V1 is NOT the clear winner by any means. I would gladly spend the extra money for one if I could see it was clearly better, but I'm not finding what shows that -- can you?
Funny you should suggest that. Backroads USA, a motorcycle touring magazine published mostly in the eastern U.S., did just that. Here's what they said about their side-by-side on-road comparison of an Escort 8500 and a Valentine V1:Look, why don't you go out and buy one of each and use them side by side for a couple of weeks. You can return any mail order item within a month, I believe. Then let us know what you think.
The article did go on to say that they found that the Escort was a bit more weather-resistant than the V1, which could be a factor on a bike, but is of course secondary to is detection abilities.We have been running these two radar detectors together, on separate motorcycles for most of last season, and we have found that the new Passport 8500. is every bit as sensitive, and seems to work every bit as good as the Valentine One. In some cases even better, depending upon conditions.
During many of these trips and tours, when either Shira or I heard an alarm of an approaching wallet-grabber, we would immediately tell the other. Sometimes the V1 was first, sometimes the Passport 8500.
In the real world they are virtually neck and neck.
I also found a discussion on a Nissan car forum where one fellow did go out and buy both, and first reports indicated one is about as good as the other.
So I ask again: Where is the objective proof, or even good evidence, that would lead a thinking person to conclude the V1 is unquestionably better? You came up with one, the Car & Driver test, but I can't find another one that corroborates that. I can find many more that indicate otherwise (including last month's test in Motor Trend, which found the 8500 better than the V1.) I even went to the Valentine1 web site looking for excerpts or links to reviews, but found none. (If they're there I couldn't find them -- has anyone else?) On the Escort site, however, I found links and reprints of more than a dozen reviews (even some which did not rate the Escort #1).
It gets me wondering: So where is the mass of articles and comparisons rating the V1 as markedly superior? Is their whole reputation based on endorsement by just one magazine (Car&Driver)? Where are the others who acclaim it best? Can anyone point me to some? If anyone knows of others I'd honestly like to see them -- thanks.
Look, I have no doubt the V1 is a very fine detector. The question, though, is whether it's truly the measurable best, if it lives up to all its hype, if this "king" wears any clothes. So far what I'm seeing is his naked little butt , and would appreciate any pointers that would help me conclude otherwise.