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    Wyoming yes, but Gillette???

    If Wyoming has a dusty armpit, it's Gillette. In such a gorgeous state, why pick a location so far from the mountains and other features of interest. Near Gillette most of the best roads are dirt. That said, I plan to attend for the camaraderie but, in the future, I think there are better locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlicbreath View Post
    If Wyoming has a dusty armpit, it's Gillette. In such a gorgeous state, why pick a location so far from the mountains and other features of interest. Near Gillette most of the best roads are dirt. That said, I plan to attend for the camaraderie but, in the future, I think there are better locations.
    That is just to funny!!!!! L O L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlicbreath View Post
    If Wyoming has a dusty armpit, it's Gillette. In such a gorgeous state, why pick a location so far from the mountains and other features of interest. Near Gillette most of the best roads are dirt. That said, I plan to attend for the camaraderie but, in the future, I think there are better locations.
    Please give me the name of another location in Wyoming that can meet the following criteria:

    at least 100+ acres of camping space
    70,000-100,000 sq ft of indoor commercial vendor space
    approx 40,000 sq ft of indoor seminar space
    grandstand capable of seating at least 3,500 people
    at least 3,000 motel rooms within a 20 mile radius
    available on site MOA exclusive beer sales
    availability of sufficent showers and restrooms on site or nearby

    and those are just the major starting qualifiers to ante up for consideration as a host site!


    Can't think of another site in Wyoming that meets those basics? Neither could we.



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    Gillette

    Then perhaps Wyoming isn't the right state, or perhaps there is some flexibility needed to the site requirements. First and foremost should be the riding experience. All of that space won't be needed if folks are turned off by the location. Again, I will attend and encourage others also, but it would be an easier sell with a better location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlicbreath View Post
    Then perhaps Wyoming isn't the right state, or perhaps there is some flexibility needed to the site requirements. First and foremost should be the riding experience. All of that space won't be needed if folks are turned off by the location. Again, I will attend and encourage others also, but it would be an easier sell with a better location.
    I'm excited about going to Gillette. I was there earlier this month, driving in from Rapid City. There were a whole lot of hills and mountains and canyons calling my name, but this time I was on a tight schedule - and not on my bike. The scenery was beautiful, the people extremely friendly and welcoming. The roads may not be really exciting within a short radius of Gillette itself, but there are many roads to ride not far away. Think Big Horns, Mt Rushmore, Devil's Tower, Black Hills, and more.

    This site has so much to offer - you've probably never seen so many climate-controlled buildings than at CAM-PLEX. . . . including the registration area. This will be a fantastic rally.

    I expect to be retired in 2008, will be on a fixed income, don't like to spend a lot on motels anyway - I'm bringing my tent and looking forward to it.

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    Why Wyoming

    Quote Originally Posted by Garlicbreath View Post
    Then perhaps Wyoming isn't the right state, or perhaps there is some flexibility needed to the site requirements. First and foremost should be the riding experience. All of that space won't be needed if folks are turned off by the location. Again, I will attend and encourage others also, but it would be an easier sell with a better location.

    I see you are quite new to the Forum, but I don't know anything else about you since you have decided not to fill out any of your profile information.

    I will assume you are also new to the MOA.

    The annual gathering in Gillette will be the 36 year we have had such an event. The MOA tries to move the event around the country, and even across the border once, to give as many of our members a chance to attend the event as possible, recognizing that not everyone has the time, money or desire to travel to the rotating site each year.

    This year the geographic zone for the Rally was scheduled for that area of the country. Finding sites in that area that meet our basic requirements can be described as difficult at best. There were some other suggestions with much better riding in their immediate area, but they did not meet the basic physical requirements/specifications.

    For the last six or seven years we have been drawing crowds of between 6,000 and 9,000 attendees to our annual event. What would you imagine would be the response from our 38,000+ members if the MOA Board were to select a site that stressed the riding experience but we would have to limit the Rally attendence to the first 2,000 attendees?

    Why not run for the BoD and be the Rally Chair for that experience?

    It still comes down to the fact that the BoD tries our best to provide the best possible experience for as many of our members as possible, every year and in as many parts of the country as possible. Many of us leave the BoD with the distinct feeling that no good deed goes unpunished. Thank God many of us are thick skinned masochists.

    If you can't make it this year or don't want to make it this year, it's very simple. Don't come. Wait to see where the Rally will be next year and then make a decision about going there. Or stay home again next year. Sooner or later we will go to someplace that you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friedle View Post
    The MOA tries to move the event around the country, and even across the border once, to give as many of our members a chance to attend the event as possible, ... Friedle
    Actually, this is not quite true. The rally locations of the past 10 years have been in the far northern United States consistently , close to Canada or the Great Lakes. That is not moving around for as many members to attend. What about MOA members from Southern California, New Mexico, Florida, Louisiana, the southern States? For the past ten years members living in those locations have had to travel the farthest and the longest.

    I say spread it around more. Be more flexible. And by the way, 6 to 10 thousand is not a large rally. There are places that may not fit the criteria for a rally site that routinely have motorcycle rallies with attendance of 30,000 or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friedle View Post
    Please give me the name of another location in Wyoming that can meet the following criteria:

    at least 100+ acres of camping space
    70,000-100,000 sq ft of indoor commercial vendor space
    approx 40,000 sq ft of indoor seminar space
    grandstand capable of seating at least 3,500 people
    at least 3,000 motel rooms within a 20 mile radius
    available on site MOA exclusive beer sales
    availability of sufficent showers and restrooms on site or nearby

    and those are just the major starting qualifiers to ante up for consideration as a host site!


    Can't think of another site in Wyoming that meets those basics? Neither could we.



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    Not just in Wyoming. Anywhere. The MOA caused the problem by having great rallies that people want to attend.
    'You can say what you want about the South, but I almost never hear of anyone wanting to retire to the North.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friedle View Post
    Please give me the name of another location in Wyoming that can meet the following criteria:

    at least 100+ acres of camping space
    70,000-100,000 sq ft of indoor commercial vendor space
    approx 40,000 sq ft of indoor seminar space
    grandstand capable of seating at least 3,500 people
    at least 3,000 motel rooms within a 20 mile radius
    available on site MOA exclusive beer sales
    availability of sufficent showers and restrooms on site or nearby

    and those are just the major starting qualifiers to ante up for consideration as a host site!


    Can't think of another site in Wyoming that meets those basics? Neither could we.



    Friedle
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    Hmm...this excuse is getting old. If Cody, Sheridan, Jackson, Cheyenne (just to name a few) don't meet the criteria, don't force the square peg into the round hole. Move onto the Black Hills of South Dakota (heaven forbid we go to a Harley site that handles 500,000 bikes) or move it south to Colorado where there are many locations that can easily handle 8,500 bikes - Loveland, Castle Rock, Boulder, Estes Park, Colorado Springs.

    My two cents...you don't need 70,000-100,000 sq ft of indoor commercial vendor space. At West Bend, most was outdoors. As for seminar space, almost any location with a livestock barn provides 40,000 sq ft of indoor seminar space. Grandstand capable of seating at least 3,500 people ....all you need a field and a podium. What you do need is an area with great riding. That criteria should be moved to the top and ruled out Gillette from day one. If you don't want to change the criteria, you need to move the locations aways from towns with 20,000 people. Going to where nobody else wants to go is not a good method to determine a rally site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenk View Post
    My two cents...you don't need 70,000-100,000 sq ft of indoor commercial vendor space. At West Bend, most was outdoors. As for seminar space, almost any location with a livestock barn provides 40,000 sq ft of indoor seminar space. Grandstand capable of seating at least 3,500 people ....all you need a field and a podium. What you do need is an area with great riding. That criteria should be moved to the top and ruled out Gillette from day one. If you don't want to change the criteria, you need to move the locations aways from towns with 20,000 people. Going to where nobody else wants to go is not a good method to determine a rally site.
    Many people seem to differ on the "no great riding area" thing also. Actually, I want to go. I also don't think I am the minority from what I have been reading. However, I can be an idiot.
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    Smile works for me.

    back in '85 when the K bikes arrived they made a whining sound. K-whiners we called um. Look like a new breed has sprung up for '07 without BMW enginering having to lift a finger. I'm dreaming of a beautiful 9000 mile loop from/to New Jersey which includes a stop in Gillette. It'll be the best rally yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaaaaa View Post
    back in '85 when the K bikes arrived they made a whining sound. K-whiners we called um. Look like a new breed has sprung up for '07 without BMW enginering having to lift a finger. I'm dreaming of a beautiful 9000 mile loop from/to New Jersey which includes a stop in Gillette. It'll be the best rally yet.
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    I'm with you Robert!

    My loop will start in upstate NY and may only be 4500 miles. I'm sure Gillette will be great but it's one stop along the way. I can't wait to take another trip over Beartooth pass and Chief Joseph Highway. Rode those roads for the first time in '04 on the return trip from the Spokane rally. Makes my adrenalin flow just thinking about it. See you there!

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    "west bend, west WHAT?"

    DejaVU baby!

    II seem to have read this thread before? Same arguments, same counters, same stuff! How can this be? WOW! New names!

    And whats really wow is I have been told by many of the lifers at this ward is that each year, about the same time...it starts all over again! Last years threads were called like "west bend, west WHAT?"

    And you don't believe in space aliens, HA!

    Have fun and NO suggestive pictures!
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    I am probably in the minority, but I am not as concerned about the riding around the venue, but the riding to get there. I just enjoy hanging out at the Rally with a few thousand of my friends. This year at West Bend, I had a blast. I also did not ride at all except for going to dinner once.
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    First off, I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to Friedle for volunteering your time to plan the upcoming rally. As a former chairperson for a major local event, I know first hand that you will have plenty of critics and nay-sayers. Unfortunately, it's it too few who take the time to say thanks for your efforts.

    To those critics and nay-sayers, what have you done to assist in this process? I'm sure there is plenty of room for more volunteers so jump in and get involved!

    We all have a choice - attend the rally, or don't. Whether it's for the roads to ride on or the opportunity to be amongst friends, we all have our reasons for wanting to be there. If it's about the journey, just pick another route or another rally.

    Unfortunately I will not be there. Not because of the location but a lack of vacation time. Having only been to one MOA rally, I can say that if I had more time, I'd be there regardless of where it is held.

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