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    Original 1973 LWB R75/5 TheSlashFiveTourer's Avatar
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    Thumbs up re: The MOSS ParaWing

    Originally posted by Rob Nye
    Terren,

    What I think is the slick setup is to bring your own shade and make your own site primo. Visian demonstrates how with minimal effort you can turn just about anyplace into a great campsite.

    While it may look like he has a ton of stuff to carry you don't need to ride a GS to camp in such splendor. His picture convinced me that it is time to upgrade.
    Rob, old buddy, you won't go wrong if you purchase a MOSS 'ParaWing' from Mountain Safety Research (MSR). I've used my 'Wing for several years now and "wouldn't leave home without it!"

    The price shown at the MSR site is a bit steep ($200.00) but it sure is nice to have your tent, table, Kermit chair AND your beloved Beemer all safely tucked under the 'Wing out of the hot sun or when the rain hits at a rally. I have a picture of my set-up at the 2002 Trenton rally but I'm afraid to post it here 'cuz my camp area was a "mess" when I took the photo. Not quite as clean and well-groomed as was Visian in his excellent photograph posted above.

    I purchased my 'Wing from a dealer in Vancouver and didn't pay anywhere near the MSRP shown on the MSR site. Maybe you can get a better deal from one of their sellers. I don't think MSR sells direct.

    There are SIX poles for the 19' ParaWing. Max length of each pole is 34" so it makes for a bit of configuring to get the carry bag attached somewhere on your motorcycle. Sure worth it when you get to the rally and get all set up though!

    MOSS Tents used to make a smaller 12' ParaWing but I'm not sure if it's offered anymore. Maybe MSR can assist you with finding one.

    Kelty also have a very nice 'Sun Shade' available (listed under "Shelters")...and I think I've actually seen more of the Kelty design at rallies than the MOSS ParaWing. I'm not sure of the price differential 'tween Kelty and MOSS.

    The Kelty 'Noah's Tarp' (12' X 12') you showed appears (ahem::: ) somewhat less...robust...than MY Parawing! Big difference in price, though.

    Happy Camping!
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    Slash,

    Thank you very much for the tips and the link.

    I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for (to a point) and this looks like a quality shelter. I have been lusting for a Moss tent for years and recently got a great deal on a barely used MSR (MSR bought Moss a few years ago) Phantom.

    When I first started MC camping I carried way too much stuff. Over time I started getting into the belief that light is right and invested in stuff made of titanium, carbon etc to try to keep the weight down. It looks like the weight is slowly starting to creep up again as I redefine what I want my campsite to be. Figure packed weight of the tent and the wing to be close to 20 lbs, add in the Kermit chair, MP3 player and speakers, stove, fuel, sleeping bag, thermarest and some cooking bits and I would guess I am close to 35 - 40lbs before any clothes.

    This may be the makings of a thread hi-jack but I am curious as to what items people consider essential and how much all this stuff weighs. What would be really cool is to have a portable scale at the rally. I would love to weigh my bike both loaded for touring and ready for a day ride. I bet the loaded figure would be more than one would expect.

    Thanks again for the info on the wing.

    Best,

    Rob Nye

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    Thumbs up re: MOSS tents and shelters

    Originally posted by Rob Nye
    Slash,

    Thank you very much for the tips and the link.

    ...I have been lusting for a Moss tent for years and recently got a great deal on a barely used MSR (MSR bought Moss a few years ago) Phantom.

    ...Figure packed weight of the tent and the wing to be close to 20 lbs, add in the Kermit chair, MP3 player and speakers, stove, fuel, sleeping bag, thermarest and some cooking bits and I would guess I am close to 35 - 40lbs before any clothes.

    Thanks again for the info on the wing.

    Best,

    Rob Nye
    Hi, Rob!

    I've never had a problem with my 19' ParaWing. The fabric is quite a bit thicker than regular tent material and the rain just bounces off - no need to apply any kind of rain goo!

    My main tent is an indestructible MOSS 'Eave' which I've been using since 1986. Unfortunately, the 'Eave' is no longer in production. If/when my 'Eave' fails and is retired, my first option is to purchase another fine MOSS tent. Beaucoup bucks - to be sure - but worth every penny during a heavy downpour!

    Based on my experiences with the MOSS 'Eave', I made a point of checking out the MOSS 19' ParaWing at a great little camping store in Missoula during the '98 National in Montana. I was a believer after 5 minutes of looking at the 'Wing and purchased my own unit at a Vancouver store several weeks later.

    That "packaged weight" of 8 lbs 6 oz, shown on the MSR website is about right as I put everything on a scale here at the house this morning. I'm not sure where that "packaged size" of 6" X 28" comes from as my six 5-year old 'Wing poles are definitely 34" long.

    Your "haulage" stuff is the same as mine except for the MP3 player and speakers. I usually carry a portable shortwave radio (w/AM and FM) to see what I can pick up locally on the airwaves. Interesting reception sometimes! I always carry my stove and utensils for hot coffee and daily soup with fixings. My stove is an original MSR mountain-type and it has served me well for at least 15 years. If you can't be comfortable at your own rally campsite, why bother going in the frist place, eh?

    I see your MSR "Phantom" tent on the website. Nice-looking tent! Do you know if MSR (based in Seattle) kept the original MOSS factory in Camden, Maine open or has it been closed and operations moved to the West coast?

    Yeah! Why don't you start a new thread on the "haulage" we all carry on our Beemers?? I've seen people show up at a rally with only two panniers and a top box visible on their bikes. An hour later, there's a large tent, a big Thermarest, a sleeping bag, a small table, kitchen utensils, a food box, the omnipresent Kermit chair and a couple of 6-packs all set up and ready to go! Where the hell did all of this 'stuff' come from? The thread should make for some interesting replies and stories.

    You're welcome on the 'Wing info.
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