View Poll Results: Snell vs. DOT

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  • I only buy Snell certified helments.

    25 62.50%
  • DOT is enough for me.

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  • Only matters to me what is legally required.

    0 0%
  • I don't buy that Snell is meaningfully better than DOT

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Thread: Snell vs. DOT

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    WesPeterson
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    Snell vs. DOT

    I'm always curious about how others approach the saftey vs. utility/comfort/cost issue. I'm a "no snell, no buy" guy when it comes to buying helmets, which means the various flip-up helmets aren't a consideration for me, but then again I'm an old lady (though there is a rumor that in 2004 a snell approved flip-up will appear). I'd like to hear other's thoughts as to whether a snell certification indeed means a safer helmet or whether the difference between a snell and DOT certification is meaningful in safety terms. One difference at least is that snell purchases and tests helmets randomly whereas DOT is an honor system approach

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    I'm a Snell guy all the way.
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    Unhappy Snell, except for flip ups

    I have had two bicycle helmets save my mellon, both Snell rated. Will not change... unless it is a flip up. If I could find a Snell flip up that would be the one I would purchase.

    The biggest difference in my understanding is the speed of impact that they are rated for. Snell being faster.
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    I switched to Snell

    and my life has improved. Lowered my blood pressure and my golf score. My &^%$ is bigger, teeth are whiter (both of them), and all the aches and pains are gone from my joints. Smoother skin, rippled abs, and my feets don't have no stank.

    Snell sounded safer, so I switched.
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    And one more standard, for reference:

    Keep in mind these are safety standards for marketing and consumer protection. In a nutshell:

    DOT sets standards (testing requirements, methods, measurements to meet for passing) but doesn't routinely test for or enforce their standards.

    Snell Memorial Foundation sets standards, is essentially a testing lab for the manufacturer who wants the certification, and enforces their certification.

    ECE R22-05: The United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (ECE) is where this regulation 22 is established, amended 5 times (the "-05": gotta love the web). It is to set limits for what is legal to be sold in the EU.

    Updating standards is often a game of leap frog. 22.03 used to be good enough, now it's 22.05. Is that a significant safety change or just fixing typos and making technical corrections in the amendment? Does it change the product at all? If a helmet already met testing requirements, it doesn't matter if the standard changed as long as the helmet still meets whatever test applies; it doesn't mean the helmet must be changed. The tests usually set minimum pass limits, not minimum failure limits. In other words, "must withstand a drop of x from y" is not that same as "finally breaks apart when dropped..."

    How you wear the helmet, if it fits correctly, if it's taken care of properly, etc. will affect how a specific helmet works for you. It's only the most extreme circumstances that will cause one helmet to outperform another significantly, if you're looking at high quality products in the first place.

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    Y'know, you'd think that if we can put a man on the moon (and thirty-five years ago at that!), we'd be able to make a Snell-rated and ultraquiet flip-up helmet. You'd think anyway...
    Bikeless for now...but not forever!

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    Re: And one more standard, for reference:

    Originally posted by Montana
    It's only the most extreme circumstances that will cause one helmet to outperform another significantly, if you're looking at high quality products in the first place.
    Ya gotta be careful makeÔÇÖn statements like that. I don't think you could find any studies to back that up. As a matter of fact, I think the last major accident study, not helmet test'n, indicated that expensive helmets provided no more protection in a crash than an inexpensive one

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    Re: Re: And one more standard, for reference:

    Originally posted by Rad
    Ya gotta be careful makeÔÇÖn statements like that. I don't think you could find any studies to back that up. As a matter of fact, I think the last major accident study, not helmet test'n, indicated that expensive helmets provided no more protection in a crash than an inexpensive one
    I agree with Rad on this. If it has Snell and DOT ratings the level of protection should be the same. Less expensive does not equate to less protection only less features and technology.

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    I guess you both need to go back and reread that last paragraph. We're all saying the same thing, except I'm not the one who brought "expense" into this comparison.

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    Originally posted by Montana
    I guess you both need to go back and reread that last paragraph. We're all saying the same thing, except I'm not the one who brought "expense" into this comparison.

    Sorry, I guess yur comment confused me.

    Originally posted by Montana
    if you're looking at high quality products in the first place.

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    I have a Shoei Syncrotec, which is not Snell rated due to the flip up design. Do I think that it isn't as safe as a Shoei that is rated by Snell? (all their others are). No, I feel safe in the helmet and I like the convienence of the flip up design, especially in hot humid weather here in the midwest. I do dress for the slide, not the ride and I trust that Shoei knows enough about helmets to keep a sub standard product from reaching the street. When I go to the track I will buy another non flip up, since the rules for track day specify a Snell rated helmet. I am sure it will be under 100.00, since I can't afford to spend another large sum for a helmet I won't use all that much. If it is Snell rated, it should do the same job as a 400.00 one. Just because it isn't worn by a world champion or advertised extensively doesn't mean it isnt of high quality.
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    yuck

    if my helmet has both a snell and a dot rating, can i just abbreviate and call it SNOT?

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    Re: yuck

    Originally posted by username
    if my helmet has both a snell and a dot rating, can i just abbreviate and call it SNOT?
    Either that or DELL.

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    Dude! You're gonna get it now...

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    Let's get real.... Would you rather have a Snell 3/4 helmet or a DOT full-face?

    DOT is the standard (FMVSS 218) for a legal helmet.

    Snell is voluntary.

    DOT is the STREET standard.

    Snell is a RACING standard.

    No Snell sticker does NOT equate to a lesser helmet. It could also be that the company didn't want to pay Snell to test their lid and then pay for every Snell sticker/label OR doesn't intend for their lid to be used in RACING.

    I'd still like to find someone who's "no Snell, no buy" that can empirically differentiate between it and DOT and the testing rationale behind them.

    These flip-up helmets passed a Snell test fine, but aren't labeled Snell
    http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/acc...ets/index.html

    Snell's nice, but there are a lot of things higher on the list as to what helmet I buy, like DOT and fit for some.

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