View Poll Results: Have you had and at least one Counterbalance Seal or Engine Output Seal Fail?

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  • 2005 Model Year

    7 13.73%
  • 2006 Model Year

    4 7.84%
  • 2007 Model Year

    7 13.73%
  • 2008 Model Year

    3 5.88%
  • 2009 Model Year

    4 7.84%
  • 2009 Model Year

    2 3.92%
  • 2010 Model Year

    0 0%
  • Multiple Seal Failure. Note: Please note year model in a comment.l

    3 5.88%
  • No Seal Failures, Note: Please note yar model in a comment

    42 82.35%
  • Final Drive Failures

    5 9.80%
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Thread: Poll: Engine output seal and/ or counterbalance seal leaks on your r1200.

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    Dixie, the land of cotton
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    Poll: Engine output seal and/ or counterbalance seal leaks on your r1200.

    View Poll Results: Had you had at least one seal failure?

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    Cam Killer marchyman's Avatar
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    You mention FD failures yet don't mention transmission seals. Why is that?

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    Dixie, the land of cotton
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    Good point Marchy, I have had several transmission seals replace

    I am not sure if I can add it to the poll. I will check it out. Thanks for suggesting it

    Did you see my post about BMW NA asking for my original sales contract and all my repair orders. I have been emailing the Motorrad USA executives and posting on the Motorrad facebook page. Early last week they said that my bike was" unrepairable and the only solution is to replace my engine but that would cost $9.000 and the bike is not worth that much".

    Then they offered me a $1,500 rebate if I purchased a new GS. I said no thanks and that since my bike is "unrepairable" and I would not be able to sell it at any reasonable price.

    Then late last week they asked for my original sales contract and all repair orders. I am not sure what is going on but I think it is possible that they might offer me a buyback or bigger rebate.

    I will keep you posted. Thanks for following my post and your suggestions and comments.

    Here is an interesting side note. My main riding buddy has a bike just like my, a 2005 1200gs. His right blinker has not worked for several months. He replaced the handle bar control switch at a cost of around $300 but that did not do any good.

    I went riding with him this weekend and right before we took off he sprayed some electrical contact cleaner onto the top of the ignition switch to clean off the the grease. He started the bike and the blinker has been working every since. Have you every heard of the ignition switch causing problems with electrical issues. I wonder if that could be causing the problem with my ABS and servos not working most of the time but in the middle of a ride start working? Thanks again.

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    Cam Killer marchyman's Avatar
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    I have heard of wiring harness issues on oilheads, usually attributed to over tight cable ties. I'm not aware of any specific issues with hexhead wiring other than speed sensor/abs sensor routing.

    Transmission seals were apparently an issue with '05 GS. Lots of folks had them replaced, usually under warranty somewhere between 20 and 30K miles. When you say "several" do you mean multiple seals or the same seals multiple times? Of those I know who had seals replaced none had them replaced a second time. Mine were replaced under warranty at about 26K. They were still fine when I sold the bike at 78K.

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    So far about 90% no failures.

    Sorry for your bad luck. Maybe your dealer can find you a used engine somewhere.
    Last edited by lkchris; 05-29-2013 at 02:18 PM.
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    Arte Johns son
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    No problems with my 2006 RT.

    No seal or final drive failures. In fact no failures of any kind.

    Cheers!

    John

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    Dixie, the land of cotton
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    marchyman, I believe the transmission seals have not been a big problem

    I the transmission input seals have been replaced three times and the transmission out put seal one time.

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    '07 R1200R, knock on wood - 67,000 miles, all seals original. At one point the dealer wanted to take the bike apart to examine the seals in the clutch area.. but on my examination I found it was simply oil dripping from the airbox, probably due to me overfilling the engine a tad.. wiped it all clean and that's the last I've seen of it (about 5,000 miles ago.)
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    Not my bike but a friend's 08 GS and a counter balance seal leak. Dealer had to replace the seal and the shaft at about 16k miles.

    My 09 RT has had no seal failures in 29k.

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    Dixie, the land of cotton
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    The poll numbers are not adding up correctly. I am asking the moderator to review

    I just emailed Don Deilenburger the moderator to see why the numbers are not adding up correctly.

    As of 9:10am today we have had 18 voters. Eight voters said that they have had engine seal failures and 2 have had final drive failures. The percentages are not adding up correctly.

    Even just counting the engine seal failures: 8 voters divided by 18 voter equals 44.44% failures

    If 18 people voted and 8 have voted failures (not counting final drives) then 18-8=10 with no failures. The poll is showing 14 with no failure and 10 with failures.

    14+10=24 voters. So far only 18 people have voted so some how the votes are being counted twice. I hope this make sense.

    This is my first poll to put together and I guess I did something wrong. I know that I put in two 2009 model years.

    Also I should have added a place for transmission seal failure.

    Let see what Don comes up with. We might have to scrap the poll and start a new one.

    Thanks for you comments and for voting in the poll.

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    A bozo on the bus deilenberger's Avatar
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    The reason the percentages aren't adding up to 100% is - it's a multiple choice poll, covering two different types of failures (engine seals and/or rear-drive failures.) Given the number of possibilities, it would surprise me if it did add up to 100%. There could certainly be people who experienced more than 1 engine seal failure on more than 1 bike AND a rear-drive failure (these are the unlucky people..) They would still only be counted as "1" voter. So - given that, I suspect the numbers are actually correct.

    Look at the numbers, not the percentages. The numbers tell the story.
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    Bad input

    Well, I probably didn't help. I selected 2005 and then selected no failures thinking that it would be valid to know by year failure / no failures. When I realized my mistake, it would not let me correct it. One strike and you're out.

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    2011 RT 42,000 km

    left switchblock replaced under warranty. No other issues
    Degeneracy can be fun but it's hard to keep up as a serious lifetime occupation. R. M. Persig

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    Cool 2006 rt

    No problems of any kind.
    Marty - in the western Oregon mountains.'06RT, (gone '04RT, '86 Venture Royal, '81 Yamaha Virago920, '82Suzuki GS1100GK, '76 Suzuki GT750, Triumph 750 Bonneville, BSA Road Rocket 650, 61" Harley knucklehead)

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    260k miles on 8 1200 GS's. 1 leaky rear shock on the '09, replaced under wty.
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