In the for what it is worth department: this is my favorite online shopping source for camping gear and outdoor clothing. Much of it is name brand (lots of Carhart stuff) seconds. Of all the clothing I have purchased I was able to find a flaw in only one article of clothing. If you order anything from them you will receive catalogs once or twice a week and you can subscribe to online bulletins which you will receive almost daily. If you want good stuff cheap, this is the place to go.