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    Gas Map in WI?

    sometimes I feel I plan trips here in MN based on where I can refuel with non-additive non ethanol premium. I presume Wisconsin is the same? Anybody out these with info on good gas locations? websites?



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    I do not have an answer for you but a question. Is there an issue with ethanol that we should be concerned about, as far as the bikes are concerned?

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    No real issues. I don't like it but Mn has mandated that fuel has a 10% blend of Ethanol. Wi has no such law, but doesn't have to post at the pump if it is or isn't an Ethanol blend For your money you get less mileage, and lower octane. You can buy 100% hydrocarbon at some stations that designate the fuel for "off road, recreational, or farm use only. heck the farmers don't even like it!)
    I never use the blend for small engines or long term storage. I've burned it daily for years in cars, trucks and motorcycles.
    Ethanol is hygroscopic (sp?) it attracts H2O. Which in turn makes it corrosive. That is one reason refinery's cannot send it via pipeline. It has to be "splash blended" at the spot where the semi-trucks purchase the gasoline, then trucked to the gas station.
    I have unloaded railroad tank cars of the stuff and it really does a number on 'em.

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    You are somewhat correct. all gas in big city areas is 10 %ethanol. I live further out in Waukesha County so I go west and I can get pure gasoline. No guarantees though.I believe around Madison and Milwaukee (Metro areas) all they have is the blended.
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    Ethanol???

    So, will the use blend in the tank a few times harm anything????


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    Quote Originally Posted by osaiyid View Post
    So, will the use blend in the tank a few times harm anything????


    Ah yes, now the question finally surfaces...

    I have been for four years scared to death to put in one drop of this fake petrol into my bike due to BAD memories of being stranded once in the boonies of eastern Colorado due to a bad mix of gas, then haunted repeatedly afterward with a bike that ran like crap afterwards until I managed to rebuild both carbs;

    Was this related to the ethanol? unknown, but the memory stung me and I am terrified to run anthing but pure gas, and would like to know from "the experts" who troll through this site on a seemingly minute by minute basis if ethonol gas makes any difference at all? I would love to stop being so paranoid about gas, but as I said..IVE BEEN BURNED!!!

    Will Ethanol hurt the beemer?

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    I agree;

    My numerous rides across the USA have produced results, regarding the Ethanol based stuff in my tank. The E gas definately causes less fuel mileage per gallon in my bikes. KLT and R100, both. Sometimes quite a marked difference too, at around 15-20 percent less mileage. I have always checked my mileage in every tank since the '70s in all my vehicles. Just a habit . I have opinions, like everybody and I think the Ethanol thing is a fleecing of the public, for clean air, which by the way has improved dramatically, without Ethanol present. I know the Etrhanol has cleaner burning tendencies, but at what costs! It is as clear as dirt you walk on, that the fuel from crops is a scam of huge proportions and if you simply have been awake, you've seen the drop in fuel mpg's and consumption of this stuff going up at the same/more cost than the previous pure gas...We buy more and get LESS. Does not make any sense to me, other than somebody is getting rich in farm country. I have to use it, as everybody else, but who is going to explain the questions arising here?

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    We have had it here for around 7 to 10 years. As long as your floats are alcohol proof, there is no engine damage I have seen with it. I don't check my mileage often but I would agree there is probably a mileage difference.
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    Politics aside . . yes I know we're just shoving around our collective carbon footprint, ok . . . I really have no choice as ethanol blends are all that is available locally. I try to stick to one petrol station and also am somewhat loyal to that particular company for no other reason than I'd like to think I get near the same product regardless where I stop. (Who knows)

    On the road weekend after next (GR3), if I need to stop I will prefer to stop at that particular company's station, barring that I will stop at something I recognize which assures nothing, I'm sure.

    Thank you everyone for your input, I did not know about ethanols corrosive properties, I learned something.

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    Not sure if its still true, but the Milwaukee area gas stations (and also in surrounding counties) sell the oxygenated gasoline, at a premium price. It is argueable if oxygenated gas really has any bad effects on bike engines. Personally, I avoid if I can by filling up in the counties other than Waukesha, Milwaukee and Sheboygan that sell plain old gas.

    Santa, you have any comment on this? You live in that area. Notice anything with your bikes and the oxygenated gas?
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    My guess it is not much of an issue, as the the BMW motorcycle riders in Milwaukee, Racine and Chicago area have been using it exclusively for 10 years. I am superstitious, I avoid RFG, and I fill up in Fond du Lac County when possible.

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    PolarBear wrote, "Sometimes quite a marked difference too, at around 15-20 percent less mileage. I have always checked my mileage in every tank since the '70s in all my vehicles. Just a habit ."

    Makes me wonder if we are trying to reduce our carbon footprint by 10% but we increase our consumption by 20%, is there really a benefit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Makes me wonder if we are trying to reduce our carbon footprint by 10% but we increase our consumption by 20%, is there really a benefit?
    Note: When an oxygenate, such as ethanol, is used, there is less carbon monoxide in tail pipe emissions, but more carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is the greenhouse gas that causes global warming and carbon monoxide is a primary cause of smog. Choose your poison, but ethanol doesn't reduce the carbon footprint. Ethanol burns to carbon dioxide and water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy VH View Post
    Not sure if its still true, but the Milwaukee area gas stations (and also in surrounding counties) sell the oxygenated gasoline, at a premium price. It is argueable if oxygenated gas really has any bad effects on bike engines. Personally, I avoid if I can by filling up in the counties other than Waukesha, Milwaukee and Sheboygan that sell plain old gas.

    Santa, you have any comment on this? You live in that area. Notice anything with your bikes and the oxygenated gas?
    I thought I covered this with my post but I live in Waukesha, right next to Milwaukee.
    No I didn't notice. However, my county has both types so it is often mixed in my tanks.
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    Ethanol and your bike

    I can't speak for the vintage bikes, but the newer ones built in the last 20 years of so, are not going to have a problem with Ethanol blended fuel.
    If you record your gas mileage you will notice a loss of MPG. Other than that I wouldn't worry about it needlessly.
    What galls me about the debate is the subsidies paid at both ends here in Mn. Cargill, and ADM are reaping a lot of $$$ riding this wave.
    For instance, last summer Ethanol hit $4.50 a gallon and was driving the price of gasoline, which was around $2.60 a gal.
    Up she go's and where she stops, nobody knows...
    I wish people paid more attention to this stuff. The politicians by way of the lobbyists have shoved this Blended fuels crap up our arses because we're complacent...
    Agggh sorry for the rant!

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    PS http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFue...2006.01.06.pdf

    The above link is the only one I could find which lists stations in Mn and Wi that sell non-oxygenated fuels

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