I recently bought a Firstgear Killimanjaro 4.0 and HT Overpants based on advice here on the forum and considerable research. Now I'm looking for a good pair of winter gloves. I have an electric vest allready and really don't want any other electric gear so non heated gloves are what I'm looking for. Since we get a lot of cold rain up here in New England, waterproof would be a good thing as well. I'm very pleased with my Firstgear stuff so I'm looking at their gloves, the Held winter glove, and the gloves from Riders Warehouse. Any thoughts/ideas/experiences would be a great help.