New 2013 R 1200 GS

Could you imagine the answer I would have to give to a potential buyer that asked if I have ever had any problems with the bike?

Not an easy sale.

[QUOTE=espressoforyou;825189]Could you imagine the answer I would have to give to a potential buyer that asked if I have ever had any problems with the bike?

Not an easy sale.[/QUOTE]

Trade it in and take the loss.

[QUOTE=espressoforyou;825131]But if you do any research you will find that a much higher percent of early build 1200gs had seal problems.[/QUOTE]

Yep. And the majority of those seal issues were fixed once. My tranny in and out seals were replaced under warranty about 45K miles ago. The replacement wasn't a big deal. Brought the bike in about 7:30 one morning and swapped it for a loaner. Picked the bike up before 6 PM that same day. No seal issues since.

Bloodworth took 4 months to repair, I flew in and picked it up, road it 20 miles and the counterbalance shaft bearing went out. Took it back to Bloodworth they promptly ordered the needed parts and this time repaired it in one day. Said that they did not has a loaner.
So the bike is in the shop for 4 months and then last 20 miles. It is not totally Bloodworth's fault, I have had other dealers work on it and the seals keep going bad.

[QUOTE=Ponch1;824908]How much $?[/QUOTE]


If you have to ask...

:lurk

[QUOTE=ka5ysy;825279]If you have to ask...

:lurk[/QUOTE]

If I could afford a new RT, I could afford whatever the GS costs, BUT, I am curious as I wonder if it is cheaper as I'd bet they have outsourced a lot of stuff to non-german manufacturers, meaning it may be assembled in Germany, but it wasn't made there... :lurk

Any thoughts on when the R and RT get the motor...

[QUOTE=12886;825311]Any thoughts on when the R and RT get the motor...[/QUOTE]

If history is any indicator the RT would be next and most likely as a 2014 model. The R has always been the last model to get upgrades. It may happen in late 2014. However, European economic conditions could slow things down.

Happy to see the new bike is designed to run on e-gas. Even if only 10%, it is a move in the right direction. While I have yet to see one of these in person, I like what I'm seeing so far. It appears BMW has really tried to take this bike to the next level. I'm not in the market for a new GSA, but it will be interesting to see what they come up with when that model is introduced.

[QUOTE=stkmkt1;825351]Happy to see the new bike is designed to run on e-gas. Even if only 10%, it is a move in the right direction. .[/QUOTE]

From the context of the press release, I'm interpreting "e-gas" as the BMW term for the electronic, throttle by wire system. That is, the "e" does NOT refer to ethanol in any way.

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]"[B]E-gas and cruise control.[/B]
An electromotive throttle actuator is now used for the first time in a GS motorcycle. Here, rider commands are passed on directly by the sensor in the accelerator twist grip to the engine control system; this then regulates the throttle valve electronically. The use of the E-gas system provides a significant improvement in terms of controllability and response. What is more, the rider can adapt engine characteristics to the situation on the road by means of five modes (optional extra). It was also possible to include an electronic cruise control function (optional extra)."[/COLOR]


Larry

[QUOTE=12886;825311]Any thoughts on when the R and RT get the motor...[/QUOTE]
My *guess,* based on past practice, is 6 months to a year later, as a 2014 model.

I'm *keenly* interested in how the RT turns out, as the new head of Motorcycles in the US stated in Sedalia that the RT is the "most changed" of all the new models.

Having just replaced the final drive on my 08 RT with only 50,000 km, the big question is: Will the new boxers have a final drive that is not prone to premature failure? Unless the new bikes accummulate a respectable service record re final drives, I won't be buying one. Or any other BMW for that matter.

I ride a 12 R1200R. Won't be buying a bike soon.

E gas to me means drive by wire. As in no throttle cable.

Final drive? Did they switch to the one used on K bikes like the 6 banger? Is it better?

I would hesitate to buy the untested model.

I like the rest of what they have done.

David

[QUOTE=DROOT153718;825444]E gas to me means drive by wire. As in no throttle cable.[/QUOTE]
Correct. BMW uses the term E-gas to describe the throttle by wire system -- same term they used with the K16.

What is the seat height?

Are they still building the GS for people with 36 inch inseams or can those of us who are vertically challenged with 28 inch inseams be accommodated with a low seat that will enable us to flat foot a BMW bike?

Bill