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118854
10-06-2009, 05:56 AM
Ever since Oct first the sister forum of the Mothership has been down....they say for Service.....but this is going on 5 days...and without any explanation...

Anybody know what is going on with them ???

darrylri
10-06-2009, 02:11 PM
Maybe they're using the same crappy hosting service that bought the company that the vintage club was using. (APlus.net, for your information.) 2 weeks ago the vintage site went off the air on a Friday afternoon and didn't return until Tuesday night/Wednesday morning sometime.

I'm the webmaster for the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners (http://www.vintagebmw.org).

I got no notice of this happening; with repeated phone calls and "online support chats", I could find out that a) there was a trouble report still outstanding and b) there was no information about when it would be fixed or what was broken. And of course, not so much as a "we're sorry" at any point.

Besides the usual club member info and forums, we use the website for collaboration on producing our newsletter, so when it's down, we can't make any progress on that.

No, I'm not bitter at all.

PGlaves
10-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Migration is a good thing.

mika
10-06-2009, 02:38 PM
For roughly the past year BMW has been re-doing its various websites world wide. Some changes have gone without a hitch others have been very problematic, at least from the user side. Some sites I use have been down for weeks or have been given new addresses but the redirect features did not work well if at all. The Xplor forum was a BMW NA thing, if I am not mistaken, so bringing it in line with the rest of the BMW online fold may have put it in the problematic group.

darrylri
10-06-2009, 02:43 PM
Migration is a good thing.

We had been anticipating making a slight change in our service this winter... I am more eager than before to do it.

AntonLargiader
10-06-2009, 05:32 PM
The site's still there, so it's not the hosting.

118854
10-07-2009, 01:25 AM
It's back up now:....
With the Stipulation, ....No non BMW talk allowed!!!

85138
10-07-2009, 01:41 PM
And the same 5 or 6 persons posting?

dadayama
10-08-2009, 03:12 AM
Most of the long term members of the XPLOR forum have moved to a google forum, in retaliation for the clamp down on non-BMW talk. I liked the forum. It was small compared to others, but was easy ask questions.

Peter in OKC

MAYLETT
10-08-2009, 04:01 PM
I liked the forum too ÔÇö friendly and good-looking, but most everyone has abandoned the place, including me. When the forum came back online, the popular off-topic section had been deleted and a new stipulation put in place that no non-BMW talk would be allowed on the forum.

I've said it before, but despite me liking their bikes, BMW seems a bit clueless when it comes to building good customer relations and brand loyalty.

roborider
10-09-2009, 01:25 AM
XPLOR WAS fantastic, much better than this forum. But now it is dead: completely worthless.

VSTP is where it's at. No rules, good people, adult behavior. You can talk politics and religion and not be banned to the doghouse, and people don't toss out insults at each other. It is a tight group of about 50 people who actually make an effort to see one another and ride.

I'm on my way to Barber now to hook up with several.

Robo

burnszilla
10-09-2009, 02:14 PM
It works for me....
http://www.bmwxplor.com/forums/forum/show/4

GlobalRider
10-10-2009, 12:22 PM
Goes to show how often I make it there.

It may be very impressive at first, but what a crappy forum. I think their mission is to impress me with the "look" over functionality.

roborider
10-10-2009, 03:17 PM
You didn't post a lot, Alex, but your posts were always quality. And you have a fantastic website.

roborider
10-10-2009, 03:25 PM
It's not that XPLOR is gone, it's there, but it sucks, bad. You can ONLY discuss BMW related topics. Also, private messaging functions are gone. It is one of the worst corporate moves I've seen since "new coke". They can have it. The "5 or 6 posters" are gone, and they'll be lucky to see 5 or 6 posts a month in that electronic desert.



It works for me....
http://www.bmwxplor.com/forums/forum/show/4

GlobalRider
10-12-2009, 01:41 PM
You didn't post a lot, Alex, but your posts were always quality. And you have a fantastic website.

Well I don't like to use "filler" in my posts and I certainly don't hold back either...you know..."the truth sometimes hurts" kind of posts.

This year's tour on my web site is a bit short due to incredibly bad luck, but of all things bad, there is always something good that comes of it. I now have to share my time on the forums with the Porsche owners. :clap

How much fun is it to drive? More than my BMWs!

macfly
10-14-2009, 02:53 AM
I suspect that they wanted to kill it off, and didn't have the nerve to because they didn't want the regulars to feel abandoned by BMW, so they just figured out that if they let off a stink bomb in the place everyone would leave, then they could shut it down quietly when no one cared anymore.

It was a moderately dull site run by a pompous administrator, so honestly I'm happy to have deleted it from my bookmarks.

RIDERR1150GSADV
10-14-2009, 10:22 PM
Nothing lost I see...

118854
10-15-2009, 02:00 AM
Robo ,Alex, and All ......
Something is going on over there just today.....the separate heading markers locating : Home, Gallery, Forum, etc.... All are in the process, just today of it appears ....dissolving away....

It seems to be slowly transitioning from a real forum to a pic gallery for today....and whose "VSTP" sticker did I see there shining on that gallery?????...Robo!!!

I bet B/4 the end of the week, all that is left is an informational pamphlet with all the old members pics used to show the BMW lifestyle or would that be ........???

Anyway ...tune in something more is on, If you have pics there you want not to be part of an ad campaign better get them off now, remember when the forum came back up we couldn't PM anymore....Just one more leg being removed from the table !

JCofKC

PS: Alex it was always great to have your input around, I miss your keen common sense, now I know where you're at and can keep up with your goings on, thanx....ever get bored find the "OLD GUYS" @ VSTP.....Robo can show you the way !

Voni
10-15-2009, 03:08 AM
http://www.bmwxplor.com/forums/topic/show/4359#new

testinglogin
10-15-2009, 12:54 PM
I tried posting over there, but there was some sort of technical problem with the forum software and some of my posts kept giving me an error. I sent an email to the tech contact and never heard anything back. After a while I gave up trying to post anything. I think the worst part of the change they just made is the lack of response to anyone. Nothing is worse than a "man behind the curtain" type of attitude from the admin staff. Making yourself available, joining in on the discussion, and making people welcome is very important, and they seemed to miss that point. Anyhow, it's THEIR site, so they are free to do with it whatever they like.

OUTBACKUFO
10-16-2009, 01:36 AM
I tried posting over there, but there was some sort of technical problem with the forum software and some of my posts kept giving me an error. I sent an email to the tech contact and never heard anything back. After a while I gave up trying to post anything. I think the worst part of the change they just made is the lack of response to anyone. Nothing is worse than a "man behind the curtain" type of attitude from the admin staff. Making yourself available, joining in on the discussion, and making people welcome is very important, and they seemed to miss that point. Anyhow, it's THEIR site, so they are free to do with it whatever they like.


I just cleaned out my profile and all my photos so they dont try and use them inaapropately from the my user profile galleries.

I think the final nail in the coffin has been hammered down fully in. They about 1 hr ago completely delete the thread in question. Looks like the dev team got there feeling hurt.

testinglogin
10-16-2009, 02:01 AM
I just cleaned out my profile and all my photos so they dont try and use them inaapropately from the my user profile galleries.

I think the final nail in the coffin has been hammered down fully in. They about 1 hr ago completely delete the thread in question. Looks like the dev team got there feeling hurt.

The re-posted the same thing, but in a thread that does not allow replies. :ha

testinglogin
10-16-2009, 02:18 AM
XPLOR WAS fantastic, much better than this forum. But now it is dead: completely worthless.

VSTP is where it's at. No rules, good people, adult behavior. You can talk politics and religion and not be banned to the doghouse, and people don't toss out insults at each other. It is a tight group of about 50 people who actually make an effort to see one another and ride.

I'm on my way to Barber now to hook up with several.

Robo

Just out of curiosity and in the name of "constant improvement", why do you feel Xplor was better than this forum? What could we change to make this forum a better place? Feel free to respond privately if you wish (and others feel free to respond to me as well, if you like). Thanks!

statdawg
10-16-2009, 02:43 AM
Xplor has Flash, or is that adv rider ?

statdawg
10-16-2009, 03:10 AM
Just out of curiosity and in the name of "constant improvement", why do you feel Xplor was better than this forum? What could we change to make this forum a better place? Feel free to respond privately if you wish (and others feel free to respond to me as well, if you like). Thanks!

I don't get eye strain on Xplor.

There is no leadership on Xplor.

Both forums are equal in transparency.

The biggest Xplor forum contributors quit and formed a Yahoo Group I doubt anyone would do that here.

Xplor is better because it doesn't have a woe is me show or a campfire of nonsense on a motorcycle forum.

Xplor chased the other brands out of the sand box instead of allowing them with greeting open arms to a free BMW MOA event. However Motorrad did allow them on their demos and GS school but not on their Xplor forum despite they were owned by faithful BMW riders........... I am confused but like both forums you pay to play..

Xplor acknowledges Americans can't ride or travel globally. On their GS Forum they feature Global Travelers, 5 Brits, a Dane, a Norwegian and one American, clue he looks like a Viking. :) I guess the marketing is they Xplor America we don't. Ride our bikes, send me a story and never feature it type of community development outcome is the Xplor mantra. Xplor features the backsides of those that scratch their backside which sounds familiar they must have gone to the same MBA School. The MOA forum is different about 25,000 more available backsides.

Xplor never responded to a Global Traveler nominee who speaks Spanish and would do a great job marketing to the Spanish rider population but I guess that marketing sector doesn't need a role model. At least he will feature the MOA in his work and spread our gift of endless knowledge.

Please don't let Scott remodel the forum again he has to get a roof over his head.

I have to stop now I need eye drops again.

darrylri
10-16-2009, 03:35 AM
I don't get eye strain on Xplor.

Hint: If you're running Internet Exploder,
At the lower right, click on the magnifying glass and select maybe 125%.

statdawg
10-16-2009, 03:44 AM
Hint: If you're running Internet Exploder,
At the lower right, click on the magnifying glass and select maybe 125%.

My vision is Ok 20/20 OU, the page needs to be darkened a tad its almost as if you are driving into oncoming traffic at night. Yet if I go to my photo server its too dark, I run Windows XP. I have other lights on in the room so the PC lighting is not that concentrated. I was thinking about wearing glacier goggles for snow blindness with an application of a sun blocker. People ask if I was in Florida I have to tell them I was on the MOA forum too long.

Thanks

roborider
10-16-2009, 04:02 AM
Just out of curiosity and in the name of "constant improvement", why do you feel Xplor was better than this forum? What could we change to make this forum a better place? Feel free to respond privately if you wish (and others feel free to respond to me as well, if you like). Thanks!

Hey JD, it was not well worded. XPLOR was much better FOR ME. I have a lot of very good friends on XPLOR. XPLOR only had a few active posters, but we were tight. XPLOR was more like a dinner party, MOA is like a concert. Being an introvert, I prefer the smaller group.

The only criticism I have of the MOA is the doghouse. It is immature. There should be some forum section where people can discuss what they want like adults: religion, politics, anything. No threats or name calling, but open forum. That's a pretty minor criticism. The tech forum here is outstanding, too.

85138
10-16-2009, 02:38 PM
One immediate issue with XPLOR (among others) was that I found the overall forum software cumbersome. I must rather this type of format.

To RoboRider, I appreciate your preference for a smaller group but the flipside of that was a clique-ish feel where it seemed that one was intruding in someone's private party.

MAYLETT
10-16-2009, 05:00 PM
I agree that the old XPLOR forum seemed cliquish. The posters there were, without exception, friendly and good, but they all seemed to know each other, which could make jumping into the discussions seem more like an intrusion into others' conversations. The BMWMOA forum seems too big for that — more like a big rally where people come and go instead of a private party. I suppose each type of forum has its place, and I'm sorry to see the XPLOR forum die.

I also agree that the XPLOR forum software is awkward to use, and it lacks the niceties of a well-developed, full-featured discussion board like phpBB or vBulletin (the software that runs the BMWMOA forum). Still, the XPLOR forum design and layout has an active feeling to it that, I think, is a bit more exciting and engaging than the BMWMOA forum which is, well, gray. I'm just not sure that a grayish, dullish, generic look fits the personality of most motorcycle riders. The color and excitement here depends almost exclusively upon the discussions taking place and the vibrancy of the community — this despite the stage itself being a bit bare.

Just one more thing: this forum seems well-tended by people who actually care, pay attention and participate. The XPLOR forum seems run from a distance by uninterested absentee landlords who arrogantly show up to nail new building rules on the door only when the police or the health department calls them in.

roborider
10-19-2009, 02:51 PM
One immediate issue with XPLOR (among others) was that I found the overall forum software cumbersome. I must rather this type of format.

To RoboRider, I appreciate your preference for a smaller group but the flipside of that was a clique-ish feel where it seemed that one was intruding in someone's private party.

Hey Kevin, XPLOR absolutely was a clique, but not exclusive. There were 5, then 10, then 20...etc. We loved new posters joining in and always gave a welcome and "hope you stick around". But it is true we did, and do, meet up and socialize several times a year at various spots around the country. Looks like Arkansas will be next.

We now have a private forum, but even that is open to anyone who would wish to join. We have about 60 people now. We are a clique, but not a closed clique!

And yes, the software on XPLOR sucked, and continues to suck. Now of course the forum sucks, too, and I'm gone from it.

BMW had a good thing. Sure, we discussed "campfire" issues, and Ducatis, and Hondas, etc., but we were all BMW fanatics and pro BMW. Any new guy could join (you didn't need a VIN actually) and ask about BMW and if they should buy one. We were a mini marketing team.

I bought my BMW because I love the bike and it is a fabulous machine. I will keep the bikes, they can keep the "forum".

Finally, the one problem I see here is that people are less tolerant of diverse opinions. How many times has someone posted and then gotten responses that question his intelligence or are insulting in nature? It happens a lot. I like this place, it's the best currently out there, but people need to "chill" sometimes! If we all agreed, and all were the same, there would only need to be one bike manufacturer producing a single model for us all!


Robo

OUTBACKUFO
10-19-2009, 06:52 PM
And yes, the software on XPLOR sucked, and continues to suck. Now of course the forum sucks, too, and I'm gone from it.



Robo

I did the same thing... cleaned out my galleries of images and left the XPLOR forum in the past... too bad... it was starting to shape up into something nice for a little while. Easy come Easy Go

statdawg
10-20-2009, 03:20 AM
I hope Xplor can rebound, they ought to plant tulips instead of trying to push up daisies.

GlobalRider
12-20-2009, 05:14 PM
XPLOR WAS fantastic, much better than this forum. But now it is dead: completely worthless.

Robo

I just popped in there again to browse over member photos and their galleries.

Have you seen what is marked as "Top Rated"? You really have to roll your eyes and wonder about some of the contributors...

A pic of "Burnt Rubber" on pavement.

A pic of a "BMW Burnout" on pavement a la Mad Max style.

Then there is one of a Logo in the "Most Viewed" section. Wow...:scratch

I can hardly handle the excitement.

knary
12-20-2009, 07:40 PM
My vision is Ok 20/20 OU, the page needs to be darkened a tad its almost as if you are driving into oncoming traffic at night. Yet if I go to my photo server its too dark, I run Windows XP. I have other lights on in the room so the PC lighting is not that concentrated. I was thinking about wearing glacier goggles for snow blindness with an application of a sun blocker. People ask if I was in Florida I have to tell them I was on the MOA forum too long.

Thanks

:dunno

I've never heard someone complain about reading black text on a white background before. :ha

Motodan
12-20-2009, 07:45 PM
I joined when it first started and now it can remember my email address, but can't allow me to Log in or let me rejoin. I think it's like a lot of BMW answers... running around looking for a question....that no one asked. Half thought out, half baked and a failure as this thread indicates.

I'm sure those who created it were all excited about what they would bring to the BMW bike community, but when it didn't attract a large enough group from the git-go some of the developers wandered off and the downhill roll started. I didn't get the first e-coupon or the followup one at all. Gee, guess I should have bought more bikes from them in the last two years (5).

statdawg
12-23-2009, 03:28 AM
:dunno

I've never heard someone complain about reading black text on a white background before. :ha

Too much Adv Rider. :dunno

OUTBACKUFO
12-29-2009, 06:10 AM
:ear Just tried to see what was up over at bmwxplor and xplorgs and all i get is a Server Error 500... guess they finally pulled the plug.