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Astrin
09-04-2009, 02:35 PM
If you buy ethanol-free gas, please enter the station at pure-gas.org. We're starting to get more entries from more states, but the site is a long, long way from having a useful database for North American touring.

http://pure-gas.org

Thanks! (This is a repost of a thread I started in Clubhouse before the forum reorganization.)

Note: please do not post your station to this thread. That doesn't accomplish anything. Use the "Add Station" tool on pure-gas.org so everyone can see it and load it into their GPS device!

lkchris
09-15-2009, 03:53 PM
Since Federal law REQUIRES ethanol in gasoline to a certain percentage per distributor, there isn't much future for this.

Astrin
09-18-2009, 04:39 PM
Well, at least for now we have lots and lots of stations in certain areas that serve pure gasoline. When it vanishes, we'll move on. For the time being, it's nice to have a list of places where we can buy it.

ragtoplvr
09-18-2009, 07:29 PM
An exception seems to be the Indian reservations or nations. Around here in the Wyandotte Nation, there are lots of station advertising pure gasoline. They get to issue their own license tags, have their own police, and make cigarettes. And of course casinos.

Rod

lkchris
09-21-2009, 03:55 PM
An exception seems to be the Indian reservations or nations. Around here in the Wyandotte Nation, there are lots of station advertising pure gasoline. They get to issue their own license tags, have their own police, and make cigarettes. And of course casinos.

Rod

Yes, we once had this on the fringes of Albuquerque, but they seem to have given up.

Unless they own their own refinery this doesn't look good for the future either, as it will be tough for them to convince local oil companies to make them a "special blend" IMHO.

Paul_F
09-21-2009, 11:10 PM
In Ontario, the Shell high test has no ethanol.

Astrin
10-04-2009, 12:43 PM
In Ontario, the Shell high test has no ethanol.

That's good to know, Paul, but doesn't help folks that go to pure-gas.org. If you know of some Ontario Shell stations, I'd hugely appreciate it if you could enter them into pure-gas.org. We've yet to have any Canadian stations entered.

The site is starting to pick up steam, to mix fuel metaphors - it now has entries from AL CO FL ID MD MN MS NM NY SC SD TN TX WI.

I'd like to remind folks the site automatically generates a POI CSV file containing all of the stations' GPS data - so you can load your GPS unit with ethanol-free stations with a simple file download and upload to your GPS!

If you're old school (like me) and don't use GPS, it makes a pretty compact printer-friendly version, per state/province, to stuff in your map bag.

dadayama
10-06-2009, 02:47 AM
About half the stations in the Oklahoma City area have pure gas... I'll try to find some close to the highways. I have traveled to neighboring states and noticed that they don't advertise the type of gas... i thought it must be an Oklahoma thing. Good to hear others are labeling as well.

Astrin
01-28-2010, 10:11 PM
Hi, folks, just a bump to let you know that

http://pure-gas.org

has been receiving a LOT of station submissions in recent weeks, and is becoming more and more useful with several coming in every day.

Be sure to post up your favorite ethanol-free gas station if you haven't already. Thanks much!

kthutchinson
01-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Since Federal law REQUIRES ethanol in gasoline to a certain percentage per distributor, there isn't much future for this.

No, it ALLOWS up to 10% ethanol in products sold as gasoline.

marchyman
01-29-2010, 04:07 AM
Hi, folks, just a bump to let you know that

http://pure-gas.org

has been receiving a LOT of station submissions in recent weeks, and is becoming more and more useful with several coming in every day.

Don't know that I believe the entries. It lists, for example, Chevron stations. But Chevron meets "Top Tier" standards according to their PR. Top Tier requires no less than 8% and no more than 10% ethanol.

Someone isn't telling the truth. Chevron? The stations? The people reporting stations as selling "pure gas"?

GREGFEELER
01-29-2010, 04:24 PM
Don't know that I believe the entries. It lists, for example, Chevron stations. But Chevron meets "Top Tier" standards according to their PR. Top Tier requires no less than 8% and no more than 10% ethanol.

Someone isn't telling the truth. Chevron? The stations? The people reporting stations as selling "pure gas"?

Interesting. I didn't realize that "Top Tier" required ethanol, but you are right: www.toptiergas.com.

stkmkt1
01-29-2010, 07:32 PM
I just entered the first station in Illinois on the list yesterday. I too did not realize "Top Tier" requires ethanol.

Astrin
01-29-2010, 10:54 PM
Don't know that I believe the entries. It lists, for example, Chevron stations. But Chevron meets "Top Tier" standards according to their PR. Top Tier requires no less than 8% and no more than 10% ethanol.

Someone isn't telling the truth. Chevron? The stations? The people reporting stations as selling "pure gas"?

Yeah, it's not by any means guaranteed that a station posted to pure-gas.org is truly selling pure gas. It's honor system, and I think it's been working pretty well. If not, it's a shame, because it certainly does no one any good to have inaccurate data on the site. However, there is a means to update listings with a comment saying that they no longer sell pure gas, or that the listing is incorrect. I can remove them from the site when that happens (and someone lets me know).

I didn't know that "Top Tier" required ethanol, either. The stuff I'd read about "Top Tier" didn't mention ethanol at all. Thanks for pointing that out.

kenk
01-29-2010, 11:44 PM
Although gas stations are no longer required to place a label on their pumps on whether their gas has ethanol or not here in Kansas, the majority of gas stations in Kansas are ethanol free. The majority also state on their pumps whether they are ethanol or not.

Just about every 87 octane pump is ethanol free. I say just about every because its not illegal to place ethanol in an 87 octane pump. Most of the premium fuels over 91 octance are ethanol free. The ethanol is usually the 89 octane fuel, but not always. A sure way to know is the ethanol is government subsidized, so the 89 octane ethanol is usually a few cents cheaper than the 87 octane regular gas.

The bottom line is its very easy to avoid ethanol in Kansas. Kansas is not a big producer of ethanol. We only have ten stills. So, there's not a big movement like Nebraska or the Dakota to place it in every pump. When you consider the fact a large number of these stills are out of business or going out of business, ethanol is produced in much less quantity than the government mandates in regulation.

marchyman
01-30-2010, 03:13 AM
Just about every 87 octane pump is ethanol free. I say just about every because its not illegal to place ethanol in an 87 octane pump. Most of the premium fuels over 91 octance are ethanol free. The ethanol is usually the 89 octane fuel, but not always. A sure way to know is the ethanol is government subsidized, so the 89 octane ethanol is usually a few cents cheaper than the 87 octane regular gas.

:confused:

89 gas is often made by mixing the stuff from the 87 tank with the stuff from the 91 tank. Do they not do that in Kansas? I think (not positive here) that pretty much every pump with a single hose is a mix or blending pump.

And again, if it is a top tier brand then even their 87 has between 8% and 10% ethanol. That includes all Chevron, Texico, Conoco, Phillips 66, 76, Shell, and others.

kenk
01-30-2010, 04:55 PM
:confused:

89 gas is often made by mixing the stuff from the 87 tank with the stuff from the 91 tank. Do they not do that in Kansas? I think (not positive here) that pretty much every pump with a single hose is a mix or blending pump.

And again, if it is a top tier brand then even their 87 has between 8% and 10% ethanol. That includes all Chevron, Texico, Conoco, Phillips 66, 76, Shell, and others.

Interesting question. All the gas station I know of in our local area that sell ethanol (whether 85% or 10%) do so with pumps that have separate hoses. All the single hose stations in the area don't sell ethanol. Not all pumps are the same. Some pumps may blend where others have separate tanks for each octane of fuel. If you're buying gas at a pump that uses the same hose with separate tanks, you will get whatever is in the hose first, before the octane blend you choose. I avoid all gas stations with single hoses, since I use higher octane premium gas in most of my bikes and prefer to get the higher octane in all the fuel I purchase.

Ethanol requires for viability three competing requirements; cheap corn, high oil prices and government subsidies. With corn around $4 a bushel and crude oil down to around $70 a barrel, only government subsidies keep the stills from going bust. With the environmental movement turning against ethanol, IMHO its only a matter of time before subsidies are cut and ethanol in its current form is history.

Ethanol is not commonly used when you leave the Midwest corn states. When I lived in Washington DC, it was unavailable. During my travels last year to over 40 states, I can tell you it was hard to find regular fuel without ethanol in some corn states, with ethanol unavailable in the vast majority of other states. Even though fuel stations are not required to state whether ethanol is used in a pump in many states, ethanol as a commodity is in limited supply. You simply can't grow enough corn to meet the demand, without increasing the price of the commodity to a point where food prices are going through roof. We witnessed this just a few years ago wihen corn was $10 a bushel.

lkchris
01-30-2010, 06:48 PM
No, it ALLOWS up to 10% ethanol in products sold as gasoline.

Keep reading, you'll eventually get it.

http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=78&parentid=26

deilenberger
01-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Ethanol is not commonly used when you leave the Midwest corn states. Gee - I wish you'd tell all the eastern states where enthanol is required - like NJ. I've travelled recently in NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, WDC, VA, NC and SC - and can't recall a single station I got fuel at that didn't have ethanol laced fuel.

I guess that means they're shipping the stuff from the states that produce it eh?

CarolinaRT
01-31-2010, 01:12 AM
Just added another station. Great resource.

Since ADM has $2 billion invested in ethanol plants and plenty of congressmen willing to listen to them, we'll have ethanol for years to come. Ethanol producers are still pushing the EPA to increase the mandate to 15% content this year. It's definitely the wrong thing to do so you can do the math.

kenk
01-31-2010, 01:44 AM
Gee - I wish you'd tell all the eastern states where enthanol is required - like NJ. I've travelled recently in NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, WDC, VA, NC and SC - and can't recall a single station I got fuel at that didn't have ethanol laced fuel.

I guess that means they're shipping the stuff from the states that produce it eh?

You're obviously exaggerating. Even though ethanol has now reached 9,600,000 million gallons a year, this is only a small faction of the total number of gallons of gas used yearly in the US.

In 2004, the United States consumed about 140 billion gallons of gasoline, more than any other country. Consumption averages about 380 million gallons of gasoline per day in 2004 and is reaching 400 million gallons per day in 2006. The 3.4 billion gallons of ethanol produced in 2004 represent about 2% of gasoline consumption. The 75 million gallons of biodiesel produced in 2005 represent a tiny fraction of roughly 40 billion gallons of diesel used each year for on-road transportation. (Sources: Annual Energy Outlook 2006 and U.S. Heating Oil, Diesel Fuel, And Distillate Data from the Energy Information Administration)

Distribution is hindered by its inability to use pipelines. Due to this reason, ethanol is used less in none producing states.

Can ethanol be used by existing fuel-distribution infrastructure? Due to transportation difficulties, its not commonly used when you leave the midwest.

Ethanol and gasoline-ethanol blends cannot be transported by existing pipelines that carry gasoline. Water present in petroleum pipelines can pull ethanol out and cause ethanol-gasoline blends to separate into two phases. Ethanol must be transported by train, barge, or truck within an independent distribution system to ensure handling separate from the ethanol-production facility to distribution terminals, where ethanol is blended with gasoline just before delivery to retail stations.

ENFOMAN
01-31-2010, 04:13 AM
" Water present in petroleum pipelines can pull ethanol out and cause ethanol-gasoline blends to separate into two phases."

I have first hand experience in this area when over the summer Phase change happened in my antique car gas tank. This is Ugly and jelly. Not good for any fuel system. Since then I sought out a 100% gas pump and have been using it. Yeah it cost a bit more but the advantages are worth it IMO.

CarolinaRT
01-31-2010, 02:17 PM
In 2008, US ethanol production was 9 BILLION gallons. Gasoline production is also high but 9 billion divided by anything is still a sizeable percentage. Just imagine how much corn is takes to make 9 Billion gallons of anything.

Industry site:
www.ethanolrfa.org/industry/statistics/#A

breyfogle
01-31-2010, 04:26 PM
.... but 9 billion divided by anything is still a sizeable percentage. ...

??? Math was obviously not your strongest subject in school.

Astrin
03-03-2010, 05:30 PM
Hi, folks, just a bump to let you know that the posts to pure-gas.org have been coming fast and furious, we now have over 250 stations listed and it's growing by up to 10 stations a day. Plus, I have a few lists to bulk enter, I'll try to get those in soon.

So, as riding season gets underway in the northern states, and is underway as always in the southern states, be sure to check pure-gas.org if you like to fuel your bike with ethanol-free gas. And please enter any stations that you come across in your travels!

tourunigo
03-03-2010, 06:24 PM
don't forget, as you make your summer plans, that all of Atlantic Canada is ethanol free. - Bob

BlueStreak
03-04-2010, 12:01 PM
Gentlemen,

How about a poll to settle this? Something like ...

My philosophy on motorcycling is best represented by which of the following statements (choose one):

1. So many motorcycles, so little time.

2. So little pure gas, so much time.

Astrin
03-04-2010, 09:15 PM
Well, the way pure-gas.org has been growing lately, I'd say you need a third option:

3. So many motorcycles, so much pure gas, so little time!

rocketman
03-12-2010, 07:48 PM
You're obviously exaggerating. Even though ethanol has now reached 9,600,000 million gallons a year, this is only a small faction of the total number of gallons of gas used yearly in the US.

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Actually he's not, I too live on the eastern seaboard and travel extenvisely here and can only think of one station that sold pure gas in the Mid-Atlantic region, 10% is more the norm than not.

RM

wkottd
03-13-2010, 02:31 AM
If your going to be in Minnesota, the Minnesota street rod association (MSRA) has an excellent list of stations selling non oxygenated fuel. The list is updated every 4 months.
You can find it at:
http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxyListFeb2010.pdf
Bill

Astrin
03-15-2010, 04:17 AM
Much appreciated, Bill, I've asked one of that club's members if they have that data in a spreadsheet so I can load it directly into the pure-gas.org database. It's a bit of a daunting task to key it all in off of the PDF!

Astrin
04-19-2010, 05:15 PM
*bump*

http://pure-gas.org/

We've got nearly 600 stations in the database today, with many being added on a daily basis now. If you're heading out and like to fuel your bike with pure gas, grab the list for the states you'll be heading through. If you can load a POI CSV file into your GPS, download the POI file and you'll have them all in there (at least the ones with GPS data, so printing out the state-by-state lists is also prudent).

I try to clean up entries with missing GPS (usually vague or incomplete addresses) from time to time, so check back periodically. I'll try to do another cleaning round some time this week.

osbornk
04-19-2010, 11:03 PM
I had my favorite pure gas station switch to ethanol over the weekend. It was 100% gas last week and it wasn't yesterday. I suspect many already listed are doing the same thing.

The_Veg
04-20-2010, 01:32 AM
IMHO its only a matter of time before subsidies are cut and ethanol in its current form is history.

I'm not convinced. The corn-lobby is about as powerful as they come, and they've laughed all the way to the bank on ethanol.

Every station here Georgia has the 10% sticker on the pumps, presumably excepting those listed at PureGas. I passed one of them a couple of weeks ago, but I was way out of town and already had most of a tank on board.

BTW most of the pumps here are single-hose.

Astrin
04-21-2010, 04:21 PM
I had my favorite pure gas station switch to ethanol over the weekend. It was 100% gas last week and it wasn't yesterday. I suspect many already listed are doing the same thing.

Sure, while others are being added to the list. I'm going to add a "Remove" function so folks can remove stations that no longer sell pure gas (but keep the record in the database so we can get some stats on it some day in the future). The database still has a tiny fraction of the stations out there that sell pure gas, and I hope that by the end of the year there will be over 1000 legit listings, including states and provinces beyond the current 33.

Astrin
06-16-2010, 07:00 PM
There are now over 1000 stations that serve ethanol-free pure gas listed on pure-gas.org (http://pure-gas.org). If you like to fuel your bike with pure gas, be sure to check it out, and post stations you know about that aren't listed. Thanks!

rocketman
06-17-2010, 03:41 PM
While this might seem to be a laudable effort I wonder if it really has much value to the average motorcyclist on this forum or in general for that matter. While 1000 station may sound like a lot, given the total number of gas stations in the US, its an incredibly small percentage even if one was to lowball the total number of stations to say, 50,000, that would be only about .02 percent of available stations where one could find it. From what I could find a better estimate would be more like somewhere around 140,000 stations, so that brings the percentage down to something like .007 percent of stations selling “pure” gas. For either number though for the vast majority it’s probably way too far to travel to get it to make it either feasible or worthwhile. The other thing I note from looking at the list is that for the states I’m familiar with along the east coast namely MD, VA WV PA they seem to be located in more rural areas, so that further limits the number of riders who could take advantage of pure gas, an advantage that is debatable in and of itself, certainly for most modern engines at the very least. So again while it may well be a laudable effort, I just don’t see it as having much value for 99.5% of the riders out there. If you happen to be close to one, more power to you, but I’m certainly not going out of my (a rather long way I must add) to find it. I think this falls into the Nitrogen for tires catagory not worth the effort/cost/etc with questionable positive results given all the factors of finding it etc.
Now a price database, that would be something far more usefull IMHO.

RM

cycleman2
06-18-2010, 04:00 AM
In Ontario, the Shell high test has no ethanol.

In Saskatchewan as well. It's a safe be that no 91 octane Shell Gas in Canada has ethanol.

Daedalus214
06-18-2010, 05:40 AM
Came across this thread and it triggered a memory from last year. I was traveling in Wisconsin (I think) and came across a station that had a separate pump for Recreation(al?) Gas that had no ethanol. I was surprised (pleasantly) by this and filled up (on fumes) at that pump (91 octane, I believe).

That tank of gas gave me much better mileage (~15%) than I had previously experienced with the bike. I looked for other Recreation Gas pumps but gave up after awhile, as I could not find them. It's tough to find those pumps here in the great state of Co...ehhhh, I mean Illinois.

Astrin
06-23-2010, 06:09 PM
Came across this thread and it triggered a memory from last year. I was traveling in Wisconsin (I think) and came across a station that had a separate pump for Recreation(al?) Gas that had no ethanol. I was surprised (pleasantly) by this and filled up (on fumes) at that pump (91 octane, I believe).

That tank of gas gave me much better mileage (~15%) than I had previously experienced with the bike. I looked for other Recreation Gas pumps but gave up after awhile, as I could not find them. It's tough to find those pumps here in the great state of Co...ehhhh, I mean Illinois.

Yeah, Kwik Trip has pretty much universally tagged their ethanol-free 91 octane as "recreational gas" lately. It's sort of a marketing ploy, but I like it. Citgo recently dropped from 93 to 91, as well as Shell last year, so it's getting real hard to find 93 octane pure gas. However, last night I came across a Citgo in Evansville that had the usual 91 octane pure gas PLUS a dispenser of 110 octane "race fuel, for off-road use only." I don't think they mind if I spiked my tank with a little bit of it....

Astrin
06-23-2010, 06:11 PM
Now a price database, that would be something far more usefull IMHO.

RM

Sorry, Rocketman, that's not at all the goal of the site. And even though you may not have found it useful, I've been getting emails and comments on the site quite regularly from folks that have found it very useful. And it's growing by 10-20 stations a day, so I'm pretty happy with it. Happy riding!

rocketman
06-23-2010, 10:54 PM
Sorry, Rocketman, that's not at all the goal of the site. And even though you may not have found it useful, I've been getting emails and comments on the site quite regularly from folks that have found it very useful. And it's growing by 10-20 stations a day, so I'm pretty happy with it. Happy riding!

I understand that is not the goal nor did I ever imply it was, just saying that would be more useful for a much greater audience. I also know it would be a full time job for quite a few folks to maintain it and keep it up to date for a nationwide effort so can't see that ever happening.

RM

Astrin
07-20-2010, 03:29 PM
I've added a Google map that shows all of the posted ethanol-free stations to pure-gas.org. Just keep in mind that most of the GPS locations are automatically generated from an address lookup, and may be inaccurate if the address is inaccurate or if the lookup isn't accurate. But, generally, it's pretty handy!

You can also download the KML file that is used to populate the map as well as the POI file that has been offered since the beginning. You can load the KML file into Google Earth and other apps.

We're up to 1258 stations and growing fast!

Astrin
03-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Got mention in Sunday's New York Times article about us folks that need to find pure gas for our rides and toys.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/automobiles/20GASOHOL.html

Don't forget to post YOUR favorite pure-gas station to the site:

http://pure-gas.org/

GREGFUESS
03-21-2011, 07:57 PM
Nothing within 100 miles of Houston, TX, the oil capital of the world. Phft. What is that about?

Astrin
06-16-2011, 08:38 PM
I took a look at pure-gas.org, and see that there is a BP on the corner of Bridge and Cedar (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=chippewa+falls+bridge+st+and+cedar+st&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=W+Cedar+St+%26+N+Bridge+St,+Chippewa+Falls,+ Chippewa,+Wisconsin+54729&gl=us&ll=44.938663,-91.395113&spn=0.011316,0.027874&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=44.940454,-91.397314&panoid=xM-fgBRwAJl0pc2e5uEbYg&cbp=12,17.81,,0,-0.07) in Chippewa Falls that (supposedly) sells pure premium, probably 91 octane, although the listing says 92.

You can see stations along the way that sell pure gas on a Google Map here:

http://pure-gas.org/extensions/map.html

And you can print out a list of Wisconsin stations that sell pure gas here:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WI

The map and station list are updated live (nearly live for the map) as folks post new entries or remove those that no longer sell pure gas.

I'm particularly excited about the fact that a lot of Wisconsin Citgo stations are back to selling pure 93 octane gas, which my K75 really likes. I can actually hear and feel the difference between 91 and 93, although it's pretty subtle. But put 87 octane in it and it complains mightily. But the main thing is that you can't run E10 in an old K because of the rubber fuel system components. You wind up with black sludge, as Paul Glaves has demonstrated so well in his "Benchwrenching" column.

AnnapolisAirhead
06-26-2011, 03:56 PM
With so much 'junk' in the fuel today, I'm happy my old Airhead came to me dual plugged. Could just be in my mind, but I think that helps.

Thanks for putting up the site.

Here in the greater Atlanta (read: Nascar minded haven), I've seen 100 octane fuel up near Road Atlanta at a QT gas station. The thing most notable to my eye was the price per gallon! It wasn't labeled as anything special...just sort of casually on the same pump with its own nozzle. (took this picture in October 2009).

nobody
06-26-2011, 08:24 PM
With so much 'junk' in the fuel today, I'm happy my old Airhead came to me dual plugged. Could just be in my mind, but I think that helps.

Thanks for putting up the site.

Here in the greater Atlanta (read: Nascar minded haven), I've seen 100 octane fuel up near Road Atlanta at a QT gas station. The thing most notable to my eye was the price per gallon! It wasn't labeled as anything special...just sort of casually on the same pump with its own nozzle. (took this picture in October 2009).

Hey, it's come down. Last month in Charlotte, 100 octane was 7.99 per gallon.

kantuckid
06-27-2011, 12:29 PM
Sorry, Rocketman, that's not at all the goal of the site. And even though you may not have found it useful, I've been getting emails and comments on the site quite regularly from folks that have found it very useful. And it's growing by 10-20 stations a day, so I'm pretty happy with it. Happy riding!

My 1150R(and my mowers and chainsaws and trimmer and blower and cultivator sawmill and Mule and Cadillac and Tundra) runs great on 10% & the same on Mexico's Magna w/o ethanol making my objective to get fuel when I need it,fresh & @ the best price. Too bad the politicos(meaning all brands of politicos!), that seem to relish "talking about" the fuel price injustice & like to blame the speculators, cannot recognize the ridiculousness of having the price vary by 10-30+ cents per gallon within the same geographic area. I have also noticed that on Fridays or at going home time it seems to be even more volatile, what with the price jockeying being minute to minute! This meaning that the formula isn't the cause, but rather simply gouging or trying for the gigs & junk food market.
My point is, that if someone put the same effort into "price"( I've seen Gasbuddy.com but not used to the purpose of showing a gouge) as into "pure" , maybe it would become less of a gouge on my fixed income, which is where the gas issue matters for me.:scratch Now, back to the pure gas theme...:thumb

leesrt
06-27-2011, 01:01 PM
I took a look at pure-gas.org, and see that there is a BP on the corner of Bridge and Cedar (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=chippewa+falls+bridge+st+and+cedar+st&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=W+Cedar+St+%26+N+Bridge+St,+Chippewa+Falls,+ Chippewa,+Wisconsin+54729&gl=us&ll=44.938663,-91.395113&spn=0.011316,0.027874&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=44.940454,-91.397314&panoid=xM-fgBRwAJl0pc2e5uEbYg&cbp=12,17.81,,0,-0.07) in Chippewa Falls that (supposedly) sells pure premium, probably 91 octane, although the listing says 92.

You can see stations along the way that sell pure gas on a Google Map here:

http://pure-gas.org/extensions/map.html

And you can print out a list of Wisconsin stations that sell pure gas here:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WI

The map and station list are updated live (nearly live for the map) as folks post new entries or remove those that no longer sell pure gas.

I'm particularly excited about the fact that a lot of Wisconsin Citgo stations are back to selling pure 93 octane gas, which my K75 really likes. I can actually hear and feel the difference between 91 and 93, although it's pretty subtle. But put 87 octane in it and it complains mightily. But the main thing is that you can't run E10 in an old K because of the rubber fuel system components. You wind up with black sludge, as Paul Glaves has demonstrated so well in his "Benchwrenching" column.


I can testify to this because when I replaced my old fuel filter at 24k service it was filled with black goop. I blew into it in reverse flow and all the black junk came out. The only time I put E10 in now is when I'm on the road and will burn through it within the day.