why no BMW ON section on forum?

[Hodag]

Can we add a section just for the ON. (just think the entire ME debate could have resided in one out of the way sections instead of everyone section.....)

But really.....
Just a dedicated forum section for the magazine. We have one for the website. Just thinking here.

why not??

[Stuff2C]

Makes sense to me.

[GregFeeler]

Can we add a section just for the ON. (just think the entire ME debate could have resided in one out of the way sections instead of everyone section.....)

But really.....
Just a dedicated forum section for the magazine. We have one for the website. Just thinking here.

why not??


What do you have in mind? I ask because the forum is for discussion while a magazine presents stories and information. The plan is to put more and more connected material from the ON onto the web site. Like additional material from articles too long to print completely, old articles, tech articles, etc. Vince is working on that with Scott. How would you see an "ON" section of the Forum working?

[Hodag]

What do you have in mind? I ask because the forum is for discussion while a magazine presents stories and information. The plan is to put more and more connected material from the ON onto the web site. Like additional material from articles too long to print completely, old articles, tech articles, etc. Vince is working on that with Scott. How would you see an "ON" section of the Forum working?

It would be specific questions / discussion specific to content in ON. I understand furthering the website with expanded ON content.

1. the biggest would be more two way discussion about specific articles or content.
example:
"hey where is that route those guys took?"
"I took that route but took a left on hwy 110 good steak joint there"

2. discuss suggestions about the ON

[Belquar]

It would be specific questions / discussion specific to content in ON. I understand furthering the website with expanded ON content.

1. the biggest would be more two way discussion about specific articles or content.
example:
"hey where is that route those guys took?"
"I took that route but took a left on hwy 110 good steak joint there"

2. discuss suggestions about the ON

Good steak joint???? :eat :eat

[GregFeeler]

It would be specific questions / discussion specific to content in ON. I understand furthering the website with expanded ON content.

Ok, I'm being Devil's Advocate here:
1. the biggest would be more two way discussion about specific articles or content.
example:
"hey where is that route those guys took?"
"I took that route but took a left on hwy 110 good steak joint there"

All the ON stories are member contributed so to have that kind of discussion you would need the author to participate in the thread. Some might want to and some not. The ON staff wouldn't be much help with those. Nothing to stop that now, with just another thread under Campfire.

2. discuss suggestions about the ON

Could be some merit to that - but then again, it seems "suggestion" threads too often turn into bitch-fests. :( Imagine this: instead of making a positive suggestion, someone goes off about how there’s too many oilhead (or airhead/kbike/world touring/etc) stories. They don’t ride that bike or do those things so why should they have to be exposed to that stuff! I’m not making this up – that kind of feedback has come into the ON office from time to time. :fight

Then what happens is the Media Editor or whoever speaks for the ON is on the defensive and spending a lot of time they likely don’t have explaining things again and again. I think we’ve all seen this happen here many times before, unfortunately.

If you’re still with me, then two questions:
1. Would it be wrong to have some pretty tight moderation on an “ON” forum to keep it focused on the positive?
2. Would it work for the representative from the ON post to reply on a schedule, like every other day or once a week or whatever? (As opposed to babysitting the forum traffic “interactively”.)

[Hodag]

All the ON stories are member contributed so to have that kind of discussion you would need the author to participate in the thread. Some might want to and some not. The ON staff wouldn't be much help with those. Nothing to stop that now, with just another thread under Campfire.

If the article is about a tour on route 66 I'm sure other members could lend their exprience, the original article would just be the catalyst to start the discussion. Or a review about a new bike, etc.

We can discuss the travels of Lewis and Clark with out them being their to participate.


Could be some merit to that - but then again, it seems "suggestion" threads too often turn into bitch-fests. :( Imagine this: instead of making a positive suggestion, someone goes off about how there’s too many oilhead (or airhead/kbike/world touring/etc) stories. They don’t ride that bike or do those things so why should they have to be exposed to that stuff! I’m not making this up – that kind of feedback has come into the ON office from time to time. :fight ”

true but at least the bitching about the ON would be centralized rather than infecting every other forum section. It happens now and that wouldn't change.


Then what happens is the Media Editor or whoever speaks for the ON is on the defensive and spending a lot of time they likely don’t have explaining things again and again. I think we’ve all seen this happen here many times before, unfortunately.

If you’re still with me, then two questions:
1. Would it be wrong to have some pretty tight moderation on an “ON” forum to keep it focused on the positive?
2. Would it work for the representative from the ON post to reply on a schedule, like every other day or once a week or whatever? (As opposed to babysitting the forum traffic “interactively”.)

I kinda worry about that part, but....
1. Address the negative but keep it positive. Depends on the topic??
2. I don't know, that would be up to Ray how he wants to allocate resources (my cop out).

I now see that this new section could be a Bitch at Vince about everything in the mag., however it wasn't my intent. the idea sprang from a PM i received from a contributor about a comment I made about his article, and would we want to see more on that topic.


mark

[Mika]

What about an alternative to the forum.

The main page has a listing of the articles in ON. Could a discussion area be added to the end of the listing for an article that allows discussion between readers about the specific article and the possibility for the author to add if they desire?

Secondly why not add a letter to the Media Editor Section to the members only area of the forum. What I have in mind is a way to message Vince, the electronic variation of sending him snail mail. At his discretion he would post the message and his response. Not all that different to what goes on now in the paper world, but without the month or more wait for a possible response.

[username]

maybe we open a new section of the forums. we call it moa/dev/null. all the complaining about media editors, late arriving magazines, and gas powered blenders and cursing trollops can go there. :D

[goferu]

Maybe we can have a special place for you to go so you don't have to put up with all the nonsense....I even have a name for that special place...ya I do....

Trollop is an interesting term...now you aren't calling any ladies that belong to the MOA a cursing trollop are you????Naw didn't think so.....or maybe you are being generic and calling anyone who curses, males included, cursing trollops....hmmmmmmmmmmm...the term bitch session is a interesting term...don't know why they don't call it a bastard session?? hmmmm

[rinty]

It seems to me that any topic in the News that someone wants to discuss or comment on in the Forum, can simply be the topic of a new thread here under the appropriate category. A News category seems to me to be redundant. And there are no missing categories, because Campfire is the catch-all. You can even discuss politics, which is not allowed in some other BMW related forums.

Rinty

[lkchris]

Sort of like a forum on the forum, then?

Isn't that what it already is?

[Visian]

....the forum is for discussion while a magazine presents stories and information.

Greg -- watch my lips... i'll talk s-l-o-w-l-y :stick (and type all in l/c in deference to username :p )

an organization can deliver the most enjoyable experience to its members when it doesn't create artificial boundaries between various media vehicles. (iow, let the members choosed where/how they wish to communicate)

the magazine is for discussion, too (albeit slow ones) and the forum can easily present stories & information.

if you recall, last year, i performed a little experement called The Triple Nickel. (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4372) the idea was to collect tidbits from the forum thread and work all the contributions into an article (http://www.bmwmoa.org/rally/rally05/features/555_ride/555_ride.htm) that could be published in the BMW ON and on our web site.

it *almost* got published in the magazine until it was discovered that... ooops... TMI (caps required!)

it did get published on the club's web site, with a link back to the forum, where further discussion could ensue.

if you follow the whole thread on the forum, the entire experience continued for nearly 6 months! talk about ROI (caps, again for a biz-buzzword)

tell you what, i had serious fun doing that article.... researching it, taking stuff others contributed and writing it... and then ultimately riding the road:

http://www.visian.nu/images/555_0705.jpg

point: there should be no boundaries defined as to what goes where. mark's idea is a very good one and imo, every magazine article that finds its way to the web should have a corresponding forum thread (or... a comments blog) for folks to continue the conversation on-line if they so desire.

and... there should be no restriction regarding information first appearing here on the forum or on our website from appearing in our magazine.

:D

ian

[username]

:thumb :nod

[markaharms]

What about someone seeking specific information not in the article. Like last month's article about volunteering your bike to escort photogrhers for marathons and bicycle races. It sounded interesting to me but it had no information on how to volunteer. Where could I find that information??

[KBasa]

Interesting discussion going on here guys.

:lurk

[GregFeeler]

To be honest.....
as the MOA forum we need a dedicated area of the forum to discuss the magazine referred to as the ON.

"Forum guys" head out of asses time,
I really wish I knew who you all are. Because this would be sent as a PM.

the magazine needs its own area of discussion, I believe it now more than ever. Not for Vince but for US The dues paying members........

Its not about the mag. vs. web anymore

"web" guys time for you now.......

I got questions from the mag, where I put them????????
campfire

Mark
member $$$$$$


Mark,
See my post on this a couple of weeks ago - you seemed to concede some of my "devil's advocate" points then. But, to recap:

If you are asking about "space" here on the forum, there is nothing stopping anyone from starting a thread about something in the ON right now. However, judging by the lack of posts, there doesn't appear to be a ground swell of forum user interest in this - other than *this* discussion about how we need a dedicated forum for something no one is posting about. :banghead To be clear, we're not opposed to considering new forums, but so far we've handled virtually every topic imaginable within the structure we've got now.

OTOH, if you are asking Vince and the magazine contributors to take on the additional task of starting discussions or fielding discussion questions about ON articles - then you're knocking on the wrong door. That would be something for the Media Department to consider.

Bottom line - take a shot at starting threads on ON material and let's see where it goes. Fair enough? :deal

[Mika]

Greg, don’t be too quick to assume there is not an interest in developing such a section. I think the idea has merit and needs to be fleshed out a bit. I believe the lack of posts has more to do with apprehensions about starting another media editor type debate rather than a lack of openness and interest in such a section.

You are correct that the forum has handled most topics in its current form. However; has it handled it in the best way? Have topics or questions been lost in the shuffle. I read most posts as many do. There was a time when I only scanned the oilhead section and missed things of interest raised in other sections.

To Kent’s point of such a section being merely a forum on the forum; while a potential outcome I believe it misses the true value: a focused place to have discussions about questions in the forum in a timely basis. The example of Lewis and Clark was brought up. I used an article in ON in planning my 2003 trip that followed the trail. Snail mail turnaround times did not allow time for me to ask follow up questions before I had to finalize plans. A developed section such as is being proposed may have facilitated my questions in a useful way.

I support Mark11LT, not just because of Miss Lillie and the revolution, but because the idea has merit. As we bring more people along and they learn to combine the forum and ON as part of their MOA experience such a section could be very helpful and important. A section in the forum list would go a long way of joining the two media forms.

[GregFeeler]

Greg, don’t be too quick to assume there is not an interest in developing such a section. I think the idea has merit and needs to be fleshed out a bit.

It might help to define what we're talking about, since I'm a wee bit confused. Are you (colectively) a) just asking for a dedicated forum for general member discusson of ON topic, b) for an "interactive" forum where the the authors of articles in the ON would be expected to be available to answer questions, or c) have I've got it all screwed up? :dunno

[Mika]

YES













































More seriously, we are not a monolith so I can not make a collective response.

RE A: Yes there are times when we would want to discuss things specifically about what is written in ON. The value of the specific section for me is that it would frame the discussion.

RE B: Sort of. I would think that people that would write an article would want some feedback. I am flattered when a thread I started draws responses or resurfaces. I personally do not expect authors to be expected to respond to every comment or question. I do not respond to every comment made about my postings. I would expect something along the lines of the author of an article or significant person for a recuring column in ON would be e-mail alerted about posts regarding their article.

RE C: Unless you ride on water you are probably as prone to screwing up as I am. :stick

[Hodag]

A few (sober) thoughts....

We have a dedicated area for "MOA website" discussion, It the third least used section with only 132 threads. It would be last if the vintage and F650 didn't have better forums elsewhere.

I would say "dedicated" discussions about the ON easily outpaces it. We talk about the magazine alot now with no real dedicated area. Just think how much that would grow with a dedicated area.

a) just asking for a dedicated forum for general member discusson of ON
topic.
Yes

b) for an "interactive" forum where the the authors of articles in the ON would be expected to be available to answer questions.

no , if they want to more power to them, not required however. Not a requirement for Vince to read at all.

c) have I've got it all screwed up?
kinda

for instance I want to start a thread to discuss the new features in ON, where would you put it?
Doghouse?
mark

[Bokrijder]

For the past (many) months, the guiding light has been the integration of the web and the ON formats. A stated goal has been the expansion of web usage by the members. Who are these hundreds of new web participants going to be? For the most part readers of the ON magazine. For many the ON has been their reality of what the MOA is. The ON has been the face of the MOA. Consider a member, who's experience has been limited to the ON visiting the forum for the first time. What will catch his eye immediately -- an ON topic. Why, comfort zone and linkage with his previous MOA experience, the ON magazine. His likely response, "So that's what they were talking about, Media Integration. This is great, I just read the magazine and here are people talking about it. I can relate to this."
Now imagine the first time participant visiting without the benefit of an ON topic. As a forum user, I know to look here and there for various subjects but the new visitor does not have that advantage. Will it be obvious to him that he should visit Clubhouse or Campfire? He will stumble across threads related to ON subject matter, but the impact of media linkage will be lost. Consider that the new visitor might be less than enthusiastic about the web. Will he bother digging through topics and threads or would a category which he can instantly relate to, be more likely to grab his interest?
I don't buy into the notion that an ON category might turn into a bitch fest. I've only heard praise for the magazine, in fact I've never heard a complaint. The only way this will happen is if Vince fails and the magazine deteriorates. I don't believe that this will happen.
If an ON category is added, a scenario or notion that authors or individuals would be obligated to field questions puzzles me. My image of a forum is that of a conversation between numerous people. A forum expands a subject through the input of many individuals. I can imagine an ON category becoming the most popular on the site. Every month the introduction of new subject matter stimulating new threads. The rounding out of ride reports through the input of riders familiar with a region. If a particular thread develops to the point of being worthy of a particular category, move it. I see this being done with the present format. Too much work? Is anyone going to complain if a thread isn't moved? This forum is about having a good time, sharing experiences, and motorcycle conversation. An ON category will act as an icebreaker and conversation starter for newcomers.

Motard
1150GS
R50

[KBasa]

For the past (many) months, the guiding light has been the integration of the web and the ON formats. A stated goal has been the expansion of web usage by the members. Who are these hundreds of new web participants going to be? For the most part readers of the ON magazine. For many the ON has been their reality of what the MOA is. The ON has been the face of the MOA. Consider a member, who's experience has been limited to the ON visiting the forum for the first time. What will catch his eye immediately -- an ON topic. Why, comfort zone and linkage with his previous MOA experience, the ON magazine. His likely response, "So that's what they were talking about, Media Integration. This is great, I just read the magazine and here are people talking about it. I can relate to this."
Now imagine the first time participant visiting without the benefit of an ON topic. As a forum user, I know to look here and there for various subjects but the new visitor does not have that advantage. Will it be obvious to him that he should visit Clubhouse or Campfire? He will stumble across threads related to ON subject matter, but the impact of media linkage will be lost. Consider that the new visitor might be less than enthusiastic about the web. Will he bother digging through topics and threads or would a category which he can instantly relate to, be more likely to grab his interest?
I don't buy into the notion that an ON category might turn into a bitch fest. I've only heard praise for the magazine, in fact I've never heard a complaint. The only way this will happen is if Vince fails and the magazine deteriorates. I don't believe that this will happen.
If an ON category is added, a scenario or notion that authors or individuals would be obligated to field questions puzzles me. My image of a forum is that of a conversation between numerous people. A forum expands a subject through the input of many individuals. I can imagine an ON category becoming the most popular on the site. Every month the introduction of new subject matter stimulating new threads. The rounding out of ride reports through the input of riders familiar with a region. If a particular thread develops to the point of being worthy of a particular category, move it. I see this being done with the present format. Too much work? Is anyone going to complain if a thread isn't moved? This forum is about having a good time, sharing experiences, and motorcycle conversation. An ON category will act as an icebreaker and conversation starter for newcomers.

Motard
1150GS
R50

Excellent and well thought out post.

Thanks. Let's try something over in Campfire, shall we? :evil

[GregFeeler]

For the past (many) months, the guiding light has been the integration of the web and the ON formats. A stated goal has been the expansion of web usage by the members. Who are these hundreds of new web participants going to be? For the most part readers of the ON magazine. For many the ON has been their reality of what the MOA is. The ON has been the face of the MOA. Consider a member, who's experience has been limited to the ON visiting the forum for the first time. What will catch his eye immediately -- an ON topic. Why, comfort zone and linkage with his previous MOA experience, the ON magazine. His likely response, "So that's what they were talking about, Media Integration. This is great, I just read the magazine and here are people talking about it. I can relate to this."
Now imagine the first time participant visiting without the benefit of an ON topic. As a forum user, I know to look here and there for various subjects but the new visitor does not have that advantage. Will it be obvious to him that he should visit Clubhouse or Campfire? He will stumble across threads related to ON subject matter, but the impact of media linkage will be lost. Consider that the new visitor might be less than enthusiastic about the web. Will he bother digging through topics and threads or would a category which he can instantly relate to, be more likely to grab his interest?
I don't buy into the notion that an ON category might turn into a bitch fest. I've only heard praise for the magazine, in fact I've never heard a complaint. The only way this will happen is if Vince fails and the magazine deteriorates. I don't believe that this will happen.
If an ON category is added, a scenario or notion that authors or individuals would be obligated to field questions puzzles me. My image of a forum is that of a conversation between numerous people. A forum expands a subject through the input of many individuals. I can imagine an ON category becoming the most popular on the site. Every month the introduction of new subject matter stimulating new threads. The rounding out of ride reports through the input of riders familiar with a region. If a particular thread develops to the point of being worthy of a particular category, move it. I see this being done with the present format. Too much work? Is anyone going to complain if a thread isn't moved? This forum is about having a good time, sharing experiences, and motorcycle conversation. An ON category will act as an icebreaker and conversation starter for newcomers.

Motard
1150GS
R50


A good case is being made for this idea, and it bears some further discussion. Since we are trying to "coordinate" all the 'MOA media, the idea needs to make some rounds - which we'll do. In the meanwhile, let's give this a try by using the Campfire forum. Start some ON-topic treads and let's see how much traction they get from the forum members at large.

[Bokrijder]

I would like to add one more thought. I believe that the forum is divided between public and member accessible areas. ( I always log on, therefore I'm not sure.)
If the ON topic were to be located in the public accessible area, a large number of random visitors would be introduced to the magazine. Reading active, enthusiastic, and informative discussion relating to magazine content will be a good incentive to get the publication. One would feel a bit out of the loop not having it. This should be good for magazine circulation and membership numbers.
Being a public category might require a bit tighter topic guideline rule, but I imagine that our crowd is pretty good about playing by the rules.

Motard

[PGlaves]

The discussion about ON contributors and their presence on the forum is interesting. My first article appeared in the ON in 1986. I wrote occasionally when Stan Haring was editor, throughout the Douglass period, and almost a hundred times with Sandy as editor.

Since the beginning, I've received and answered hundreds of letters and phone calls and thousands of email inquiries generated by my technical articles. Since the Forum became active I've often noted quotations from or references to Benchwrenching articles. Sometimes I jump in on these threads.

Most of the regular contributors are readily accessible to the membership - by mail, telephone, email, on the forum, and in person.

There's nothing new here folks!

Photo at our house last Saturday!

[Hodag]

ok fair enough.......

I deleted my drunken post, after reading it I was amazed I could spell that well.

[robnye]

Greg -- watch my lips... i'll talk s-l-o-w-l-y :stick (and type all in l/c in deference to username :p )

an organization can deliver the most enjoyable experience to its members when it doesn't create artificial boundaries between various media vehicles. (iow, let the members choosed where/how they wish to communicate)

the magazine is for discussion, too (albeit slow ones) and the forum can easily present stories & information.

if you recall, last year, i performed a little experement called The Triple Nickel. (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4372) the idea was to collect tidbits from the forum thread and work all the contributions into an article (http://www.bmwmoa.org/rally/rally05/features/555_ride/555_ride.htm) that could be published in the BMW ON and on our web site.

it *almost* got published in the magazine until it was discovered that... ooops... TMI (caps required!)

it did get published on the club's web site, with a link back to the forum, where further discussion could ensue.

if you follow the whole thread on the forum, the entire experience continued for nearly 6 months! talk about ROI (caps, again for a biz-buzzword)

tell you what, i had serious fun doing that article.... researching it, taking stuff others contributed and writing it... and then ultimately riding the road:

http://www.visian.nu/images/555_0705.jpg

point: there should be no boundaries defined as to what goes where. mark's idea is a very good one and imo, every magazine article that finds its way to the web should have a corresponding forum thread (or... a comments blog) for folks to continue the conversation on-line if they so desire.

and... there should be no restriction regarding information first appearing here on the forum or on our website from appearing in our magazine.

:D

ian

Ian,

IMO The key here is thread vs forum.

I agree that each article or any article of interest could have a thread refering to the article. I don't understand why we would want this "buried" in a seperate forum. Some excellent tips and information are dispensed here on the forum when a thread meanders around the topic a bit. More forums means a narrower focus in each forum, which I am not sure is a good thing.

What I am always hesitant about is adding forums. More forums means more places people have to check plus more work for the poster to interpret the best place for their post and more work for moderators trying to keep the right stuff in the right forum.

Another concern with adding forums is the main forum page starts to run on like my sentence above. :blah

I think the clubhouse serves a wonderful purpose by giving folks a place where they can discuss any MOA activity and then some. To add forums or sub forums for the Owners News, the annual open house, board meetings ect would make it harder for our members and guests to find what they want, how they want it. Sort of like adding artifical boundaries.

If we added every forum that was requested we would have easily doubled the number of forums by now. I say leave it in the clubhouse.

[robnye]

I like Motard's comments.

Not quite ready to do a 180 but I like the way you think.

Best,

Rob Nye

[Visian]

My image of a forum is that of a conversation between numerous people. A forum expands a subject through the input of many individuals. I can imagine an ON category becoming the most popular on the site. Every month the introduction of new subject matter stimulating new threads.


Very much agreed. The main point is the expansion of a subject through the input of multiple individuals.

However, one other point is now there are no restrictions regarding where ideas get communicated. It's really just a matter of each individual's media habits. Some people really like reading ideas on paper, writing letters to editors, etc. Others prefer threaded discussions in near real time.

I personally think that an ON forum is worthwhile, not to create a boundary between subjects that can only be discussed there vs. here... but as a simple tool of organization: to help people find stuff in this rather fragmented medium we call the Forum.




IMO The key here is thread vs forum.

I agree that each article or any article of interest could have a thread refering to the article. I don't understand why we would want this "buried" in a seperate forum.


Buried is an interesting choice of words. To me, making a forum for ON subjects actually elevates these threads by making them easier for people to find.

However, I strongly agree with you about being conservative on the addition of Forums. It is definitely possible to be too granular.



Most of the regular contributors are readily accessible to the membership - by mail, telephone, email, on the forum, and in person.

There's nothing new here folks!


But Paul, there is something new here... at the most fundamental level, there is now the ability to have a threaded multimedia discussion where it is significantly easier for individuals to mutually discuss concepts and gain a clearer understanding.



Let's try something over in Campfire, shall we?


Well, I chose Ride Reports. (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9944) The main reason is that I'm currently riding! And, this particular content has yet to show up in the BMW ON. :p

As I understand it, the primary objective of the Media Plan is to create synergy between our media for the benefit of our members and ultimately our club. In my day job, I have found that the best way to achieve that is to eliminate the boxes into which we are tempted to parse out our content, and to instead look for ways to share content across media. And then let the members decide where/how they want their content.

There are no hard and fast formulae for this process... basically, the idea is to just let it flow. And... to structure our media so that each is easiest to consume.

Which is why I feel there needs to be a forum for the BMW ON. :D

Ian

[markaharms]

I hate to appear impertenent here, but no one has answered my question above? Namely, how does one gain additional information on an article in ON. Specifically, my previous question about an article in the March '06 issue by Jeff Dean about riding "motos" in an ironman. It was a good article with a lot of info but it left out how to get involved.

I am new and I did some searches in the other forum areas and could not find out how to get additional info. Perhaps, this could be part of the public forum which would generate more interest.

But in the mean time, does anybody know how to contact Jeff Dean #115? If so, give him my e-mail - markaharms@yahoo.com.

Thanks for your patience,
Mark Harms

[Hodag]

I hate to appear impertenent here, but no one has answered my question above? Namely, how does one gain additional information on an article in ON. Specifically, my previous question about an article in the March '06 issue by Jeff Dean about riding "motos" in an ironman. It was a good article with a lot of info but it left out how to get involved.

I am new and I did some searches in the other forum areas and could not find out how to get additional info. Perhaps, this could be part of the public forum which would generate more interest.

But in the mean time, does anybody know how to contact Jeff Dean #115? If so, give him my e-mail - markaharms@yahoo.com.

Thanks for your patience,
Mark Harms

here is his profile
http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/member.php?userid=293

[bmwboy1100]

http://home.att.net/~jeff.dean/index.html

[FredRydr]

It was a good article with a lot of info but it left out how to get involved.I was a motor ref and motor marshal in bicycle races until I quit this year. I found that getting involved in this kind of thing requires a certain amount of insider knowledge and depends rather heavily upon making yourself visible and likeable to race promoters and senior USAC officials. Send me a PM and I will give you some insight and leads.

Fred

[knary]

What about someone seeking specific information not in the article. Like last month's article about volunteering your bike to escort photogrhers for marathons and bicycle races. It sounded interesting to me but it had no information on how to volunteer. Where could I find that information??

Post a thread asking for more information and you will get responses (and I see that some came already).

Further, we will, in the future, have additional content on the web-site to suppliment materials in the magazine.

[dlearl476]

Could be some merit to that - but then again, it seems "suggestion" threads too often turn into bitch-fests. :(

Exactly why a separate ON forum makes sense: So those of us who take the ON for what it is (and isn't) don't get their "New Posts" searches soiled by BS they have no desire to read. :bikes

[Hodag]

you guys paying attention to the recent threads?

can we have a badger hockey area also?

[GregFeeler]

you guys paying attention to the recent threads?

can we have a badger hockey area also?

bager hockey?? What about a sheep forum??

[Hodag]

bager hockey?? What about a sheep forum??

lets go badgers
I'm so excited, should I post pictures of Lillie and Sam in Badger garb

[SIBUD]

bager hockey?? What about a sheep forum??


That's really baaaaadddddd! :bikes :bikes

[markaharms]

:dance
Jeff and Fred Thanks for the useful info!! I am semi-retired and plan on volunteering for some of those events!!

Mark Harms

[CustomSarge]

> Create a base "forum" point for all things MOA related
Subforums for thread bases: (like Tech/: > K / > airhead / F)
> structure, content, & comment on the magazine itself
> additional info on particular articles (should ref issue mo/yr)
> a graphic of What & Where for events
> maybe... this is where the flea market correspondences' happen?

I'd prefer this all would be restricted to current members, given its' value.
Maybe nonmembers could view "Where & What"...

Just a couple of spastic neurons... (where're my endorphine supressors...) <<<)))