Why Vermont?

[lkchris]

Howard Dean?

Now Judge Cashman?

Why MOA rally there?

[Friedle]

VERMONT, It's Not Flat

The BMW MOA is not a political group, we are a group of BMW motorcycle riders who love to ride and some of the very best riding in the Northeast is all around the 2006 Rally site.

:clap

Friedle

[BubbaZanetti]

why anywhere else?

[eddie]

Politics nor O'Riley will keep me out of Vermont this summer,I can hardley wait,great choice for the rally guys!!!!!

[kbasa]

They have nice roads and a great rally site.

Who cares about the politics when it comes to riding? :dunno

[Chacifer]

I'll tell you the real reason why the rally is in VT next summer...

Maple syrup. That stuff is like crack and one rallymaster needs to get his fix. http://img228.exs.cx/img228/638/whistle9qn.gif
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[Bob_M]

Because of politics I hope I can make it to Vermont. Who can forget that courageous independent thinker James Jeffords, Senator of Vermont who had the strength of his convictions to turn his back on a republican party who worked against the best interests of his constituents. Independent and informed thinkers and the place that nurtures them should naturally attract (most) BMW riders.

[Chacifer]

Because of politics I hope I can make it to Vermont. Who can forget that courageous independent thinker James Jeffords, Senator of Vermont who had the strength of his convictions to turn his back on a republican party who worked against the best interests of his constituents. Independent and informed thinkers and the place that nurtures them should naturally attract (most) BMW riders.


Or how the politics of groups like the Green Mountain Boys and their efforts at Ticonderoga and in the revoultionary war. Lots of good revolutionary history within riding distance! New York state is alarmingly close. :D

[kbasa]

Or how the politics of groups like the Green Mountain Boys and their efforts at Ticonderoga and in the revoultionary war. Lots of good revolutionary history within riding distance! New York state is alarmingly close. :D

Ethan Allen and his boys got the job done, didn't they?

[RTRandy]

I'll tell you the real reason why the rally is in VT next summer...

Maple syrup. That stuff is like crack and one rallymaster needs to get his fix.


Holly smokes ! I hadn't even though of that. So if Vermont is known for kick ass pancake syrup . . . Does that mean good pancakes shouldn't be too far away?

Helllloo Short Stack :eat

[Chacifer]

Holly smokes ! I hadn't even though of that. So if Vermont is known for kick ass pancake syrup . . . Does that mean good pancakes shouldn't be too far away?

Helllloo Short Stack :eat

:nod heck yeah! http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/drool.gif pancakes... waffles... syrup vehicles.

[RedHawK12GT]

Howard Dean?

Now Judge Cashman?

Why MOA rally there?

Isn't Leahy from Vermont? One of the most intelligent people in politics?
What's wrong with VT, punk??. Boo-Hoo.......it's not in Santa Fe... .
Vermont is probably the most scenic state in the Northeast, history, and people that are real. Ever hear they wanted to cecede (is that the word?) from the Union??. Best idea I ever heard, give up those jerks in Washington.
If you don't behave up here also, I'll send one of my redneck cousins after you ! . :uhoh

[MarkF]

Because of politics I hope I can make it to Vermont. Who can forget that courageous independent thinker James Jeffords, Senator of Vermont who had the strength of his convictions to turn his back on a republican party who worked against the best interests of his constituents.

So strong were his convictions that he took GOP money and backing
during his re-elction run then bolted right after being re-elected.

[lorazepam]

Ethan Allen and his boys got the job done, didn't they?

I thought they made furniture.

[RedHawK12GT]

I thought they made furniture.

Yeh, and Roger's Rangers was a rock band in the middle 1750's, and oh yeah, the Green Mountain Boys make coffee. :stick

[DcnDog]

Because of politics I hope I can make it to Vermont. Who can forget that courageous independent thinker James Jeffords, Senator of Vermont who had the strength of his convictions to turn his back on a republican party who worked against the best interests of his constituents. Independent and informed thinkers and the place that nurtures them should naturally attract (most) BMW riders.

How can one be an independent thinker and only regurgitate the same sophistry that all other independent thinkers spray? Where's the independence...the originality...where is the dignity?

Anyway, I am not going to Vermont for the liberal politics of slavery to government programs and the reduction of humanity to its basest impulses.

I am going to ride, for the beauty, for the freedom, for the relationships grown on the road with fellow Beemerphiles and...

the ride for me is a time of encounter with God.

God bless,
Dan

[BubbaZanetti]

I am going to ride, for the beauty, for the freedom, for the relationships grown on the road with fellow Beemerphiles and...
Dan

exactly!

also, don't forget passing on the solid yellow line
:clap

[Chacifer]

exactly!

also, don't forget passing on the solid yellow line
:clap

Ahh, yes, the sweetness of Vermont... is there no end?

[tessler]

Howard Dean?
Now Judge Cashman?
Why MOA rally there?
Beautiful state with great roads, great scenery and great people. (And because I hope meet Mr. Dean, should he show up on his 1200LT!) :)


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[iRene]

Ethan Allen and his boys got the job done, didn't they?

ahhh, rumor has it they were basically rowdy drunk when they hit Fort Ti...

[YB in IN]

ahhh, rumor has it they were basically rowdy drunk when they hit Fort Ti...

Sounds like late night at a YB rally.

[lorazepam]

Sounds like late night at a YB rally.

Or late into the Solstace ride party, or Oktoberfest at Beemer Hill, Or the Fungal Ride...

Do I sense a pattern here?

[YB in IN]

Or late into the Solstace ride party, or Oktoberfest at Beemer Hill, Or the Fungal Ride...

Do I sense a pattern here?


Hmmm maybe. :hungover

[kbasa]

ahhh, rumor has it they were basically rowdy drunk when they hit Fort Ti...

{hijack}

If you visit the Lexington Battle Green and listen to the docent, they say that the Revolutionary War started when a bunch of guys having some grog after church wouldn't go home. The redcoats fired on them to break up the crowd and then chased them through the woods to Concord, where they staged another fight at the Old North Bridge.

Apparently, those guys like to party and fight for liberty. My kinda guys.

{/hijack}

sorry.

[dataman]

So strong were his convictions that he took GOP money and backing
during his re-elction run then bolted right after being re-elected.

Yeah, but George was mean to him! :violin

[dancogan]

So strong were his convictions that he took GOP money and backing
during his re-elction run then bolted right after being re-elected.
They say timing is everything!

[tourunigo]

:nod heck yeah! http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/drool.gif pancakes... waffles... syrup vehicles.

Vermont is such a wonderful place. Almost moved to Waterbury back in '96. Love it. However, "pancakes": after a wrong turn in Idaho (back there in '96 also) I found myself in the noisy little logging town of Orifino, Idaho. A gas station pancake house with a lumberman's breakfast that was big enough to make a grown man weep!! :eat Fun place also. -Bob (still full!!)

[rottenbiker]

Here is the next best thing to sugar on snow (hot syrup poured over spring snow @ sugarhouse) Ben and Jerry's vanilla ice cream with warmed maple syrup poured over it.....and I know the best places to purchase it in bulk

Marsha Hall
Vermont born but living where I can ride year round

[jgr451]

Because South Dakota,Las Vegas,and Manitoba are off the list for different reasons..
But all is not lost.Vermont is close to Canada and I swear that tempting plate of vittles pictured by Tourunigo features Canadian Back bacon,one of our nation's closely held(along with Real Poutine) food secrets. :eat

There is always a bright side if you are a Pollyanna like me!! :drink

[RedHawK12GT]

exactly!

also, don't forget passing on the solid yellow line
:clap
Enlighten me....I have heard that it is "legal" to pass on a double yellow line in Vermont, so it is true??. I was led to believe as long as there was not a sign stating "no passing zone" you were good to go>>>>>>>>. :bolt

[dataman]

Enlighten me....I have heard that it is "legal" to pass on a double yellow line in Vermont, so it is true??. I was led to believe as long as there was not a sign stating "no passing zone" you were good to go>>>>>>>>. :bolt

You are correct. But remember that you are financially responsible should anything happen while passing on a double yellow.

[IAMBOB]

'Cause NH is the coolest place on earth, and VT is a Suburb of NH!!

[Chacifer]

You are correct. But remember that you are financially responsible should anything happen while passing on a double yellow.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/yeahthat.gif
It's legal to pass on the double-yellow, but excessive speed is still a ticket-able offense. There are some roads that are marked "unsafe to pass" I think, and there passing on the yellow is prohibitied.

[Chacifer]

'Cause NH is the coolest place on earth, and VT is a Suburb of NH!!

Are you sure that NH isn't just VT's waterfront property?

[kbasa]

Are you sure that NH isn't just VT's waterfront property?

I'd bet there's more waterfront on Lake Champlain in VT than NH has on the ocean.

[tourunigo]

I'd bet there's more waterfront on Lake Champlain in VT than NH has on the ocean.

According to my maping figures it looks like NH has about 20 percent of the shoreline distance that Vermont has. Vermont wins! :deal -Bob

[YB in IN]

According to my maping figures it looks like NH has about 20 percent of the shoreline distance that Vermont has. Vermont wins! :deal -Bob

If I remember correctly I think that 95 through NH is toll as well, and it's only like 12 or 13 miles.

[SheRidesABeemer]

"Vermont, if you haven't ridden there, you should." The chances of it being 95 degrees during the rally, is slim to none. And I completly agree with the pancake and syrup issue. Now if we can just get enough Yankee Beemers to come to a national in their own back yard. "Vermont, it's just not that far."

[Fritzc]

http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/yeahthat.gif
It's legal to pass on the double-yellow, but excessive speed is still a ticket-able offense. There are some roads that are marked "unsafe to pass" I think, and there passing on the yellow is prohibitied.

No way, no how! It is illegal to pass on a double yellow line or a single yellow line on your side of the center line. It is illegal to cross a solid white or yellow line any where in the United states unless they are incorrectly painted as white ones often are. The only time it is legal to cross a solid yellow line is when turning into a private drive or road. Anything to the contrary, I will not believe unless you show me the law including the paragraph #, sentence #, State seal, and personal signature of the Governor of your state. :bolt

[IAMBOB]

According to my maping figures it looks like NH has about 20 percent of the shoreline distance that Vermont has. Vermont wins! :deal -Bob
Yeah, but the ride up Rte 1 and Rte 1A in NH and ME are BREATHTAKING in places.. NICE and twisty through Hampton and Rye.. sitting atop cliffs overlooking rocky surf.. NOT getting that from Lake Cheapandplain.. I think the NH coastline is something like 13 miles??

[kbasa]

No way, no how! It is illegal to pass on a double yellow line or a single yellow line on your side of the center line. It is illegal to cross a solid white or yellow line any where in the United states unless they are incorrectly painted as white ones often are. The only time it is legal to cross a solid yellow line is when turning into a private drive or road. Anything to the contrary, I will not believe unless you show me the law including the paragraph #, sentence #, State seal, and personal signature of the Governor of your state. :bolt

Totally true.


Start here (http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullsection.cfm?Title=23&Chapter=013&Section=01035)

Bearing that in mind, then read this. (http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullsection.cfm?Title=23&Chapter=013&Section=01036)

In effect, in Vermont, you may see double yellow lines, which may or may not be accompanied by a triangular shaped sign on the left side of the road. The triangular shaped sign will be clearly marked "No Passing Zone".

When you see the triangular sign, which is what is referred to in the second cite, you may not pass. At all.

If you see only the double yellow, not accompanied by the sign, you may pass, provided it's safe to do so as described in the first cite. The double yellows in VT serve as a warning, that this may not be the safest place to pass, but the lack of a sign allows you to do so, if you think you can do it in accordance with the rules set forth in the first cite.

These rules were designed so that some string of cars doesn't get stuck behind a guy driving his tractor ten miles up the road.

[85343]

I am a LEo in VT. Passing on double yellow lines is legal in VT. There are limitations:

The pass should be completed with before any oncoming traffic is within 200 ft.

Aproaching or on the crest of a hill or curve in the highway where the drivers view is in any way obstructed.

Within 100 ft of an intersection or railroad crossing.

When view is obstructed upon appraoching within 100 ft of any bridge, viaduct or tunnel.

When signs prohibit passing.

Be alert for vehicles entering the road from private driveways. Many people do not look to the right if they are turning right to enter the road. They check for oncoming traffic then go. If you happen to be passing it can make for some tense moments. It's happened to me in a cruiser a few times.
The riding in VT is great....

[tourunigo]

Yeah, but the ride up Rte 1 and Rte 1A in NH and ME are BREATHTAKING in places.. NICE and twisty through Hampton and Rye.. sitting atop cliffs overlooking rocky surf.. NOT getting that from Lake Cheapandplain.. I think the NH coastline is something like 13 miles??

totally agree about the quality side. I came up with about 20 miles following the coast rather closely. Doesn't really matter overall eh? Beautiful places on 'both shores'. -Bob

[dataman]

Yeah, but the ride up Rte 1 and Rte 1A in NH and ME are BREATHTAKING in places.. NICE and twisty through Hampton and Rye.. sitting atop cliffs overlooking rocky surf.. NOT getting that from Lake Cheapandplain.. I think the NH coastline is something like 13 miles??

Whoa Bob! There is nothing cheap about Lake Champlain. ;)

[RedHawK12GT]

http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/yeahthat.gif
It's legal to pass on the double-yellow, but excessive speed is still a ticket-able offense. There are some roads that are marked "unsafe to pass" I think, and there passing on the yellow is prohibitied.

Mrs.(or Miss, or Ms.) Chowdah Head, Please clarify this, as I think the passing on a double yellow (without a sign) is only legal in Vermont, I know it is definately not in New York. Plus, correct me, I am almost positive it is not legal in Mass. . ??. I am a 30 yr. tractor-trailer driver, and don't take offense, but Mass. drivers do whatever they please, especially near Boston.
No turn signals changing lanes, cutting each other off, tailgating, etc... .
Even the Mass. State Troopers do it, one pulled me over after I gave him (oooops) the brakes. Said a cat ran in front of me, he did not like that. :cat :dunno

[Bokrijder]

A Trooper with no sense of humor, how can that be?? Evidently he was not a cat lover.

Motard
3350GS
R50

[BubbaZanetti]

Mrs.(or Miss, or Ms.) Mass. drivers do whatever they please, especially near Boston.
No turn signals changing lanes, cutting each other off, tailgating, etc... . :dunno


so true, i'm fanatical about obeying things like not crossing the white line when merging onto a highway and using turn signals, but i speed like crazy and drive fairly agressively, esp in the city. we're a peculiar bunch.............

[John Brase]

Good going guys. I think this thread has been sufficiently hyjacked to the point where there is no longer any political content to it. And, that's probably a very good thing.

I don't even know who this alleged Judge Cashman is, was, or was supposed to have been. And that too, is probably a good thing.

John

[RTRandy]

Good going guys. I think this thread has been sufficiently hyjacked to the point where there is no longer any political content to it. And, that's probably a very good thing.

I don't even know who this alleged Judge Cashman is, was, or was supposed to have been. And that too, is probably a good thing.

John

Wow! Does this mean we can start talking about Vermont pancakes and syrup again?

[Belquar]

Who woulda thought that passing was legal on the double yellow. WOW. Had to read it to believe it and then to have an LEO verify. Pretty cool. Looking forward to it. So glad we are coming early and staying late. It is gonna be a blast.
Are we gonna have local beer at the rally? That is always a plus. I hate the big nasty brands. Boring.

[dataman]

Lots of great riding roads
Beautiful lakes, rivers & ponds
Friendly people
Good food
Maple Syrup
Lake Champlain
The Gaps
Howard Dean - democrat
Jim Jeffords - republicrat
Bernie Sanders - only independent congressman
Granite Quarries
Marble Quarries
Route 100 - Route 125 - Route 17 - Route 235 - Route 109 - Route 108
Route 116 - Route 73 - Route 74 - Route 144 - Route 140 - Route 114
U.S. currency accepted at par
:D

[Belquar]

Lots of great riding roads
Beautiful lakes, rivers & ponds
Friendly people
Good food
Maple Syrup
Lake Champlain
The Gaps
Howard Dean - democrat
Jim Jeffords - republicrat
Bernie Sanders - only independent congressman
Granite Quarries
Marble Quarries
Route 100 - Route 125 - Route 17 - Route 235 - Route 109 - Route 108
Route 116 - Route 73 - Route 74 - Route 144 - Route 140 - Route 114
U.S. currency accepted at par
:D

A marble quarry was featured on the program Dirty Jobs on the discovery channel. Could be worth a visit. They move some pretty big rocks around in them.

[tuber1]

yep, good stuff, but last year the sap ran a bit early, and this year has been warm so far, so we'll see how it goes. you can get syrup at most any quick store/gas station, too

[iRene]

A marble quarry was featured on the program Dirty Jobs on the discovery channel. Could be worth a visit. They move some pretty big rocks around in them.

Rock of Ages quarry, Barre, VT (http://www.central-vt.com/web/roa/)

That would be the Rock of Ages quarry in Barre, VT near Montpelier, the state capital.
Scenes for the Mr Freeze portions of "Batman and Robin" were filmed there featuring the Governator, Arnold Schwartzenegger
and the supermodel Vendela.

Plenty to see and do in Vermont!

[Fritzc]

I am a LEo in VT. Passing on double yellow lines is legal in VT. There are limitations:
Is it illegal or do you just ignore it? I've ridden all over Vermont and lots of dairy farms with slow moving vehicles as in my area in the spring. Makes sense to pass tractor going 10 MPH. I still say it is illegal, otherwise why paint the yellow lines? I never never never argue with a LEO, except anonymously on a forum. Chuckle! Chuckle!
I have seen some really strange things in Vermont. For instance, St Johnsberry, VT. While driving through this town I came to an intersection of U.S. 2 and U.S. 5 plus a couple of sidestreets. There were no traffic signs, no yield signs, no stop signs, no traffic signals at all. I practically screamed at my wife:"Do you see any signs???" She didn't see any either. All traffic would stop then inch out into the intersection in a kind of "Chicken fight" until someone would stop and let you through!!!! I've never seen anything like that anyplace else!
Rules for passing: Do not start to pass when solid yellow line on your side, do not pass unless you can complete manuever before you get to solid yellow line, do not pass when in no passing zone marked by signs alongside of road, do not pass on a hill, on a curve, or any time you cannot see traffic ahead! Do not pass unless it is worthwhile. If it is not safe to pass it is not legal to pass. If an accident should occur during a passing manuever the fault is on the driver in the wrong lane. End of discussion.
I am aware that a police officer has the discretion to issue a summons or NOT issue a summons. To not issue a summons is not tantamount to defining the laws of the road. If a police officer stops you while traveling 70 MPH in a 60 MPH zone and does not give you a ticket, it does not imply the speed limit is 70 MPH. Always be polite to a police officer and do not lie!!!! Any good officer can probably figure out three different reasons for issuing you a summons.

[dataman]

Fritz - what was written by Kurt is true. Passing on a double yellow, under the conditions he stated, is legal. The fact that there is a double yellow line should give everyone pause before they decide to pass. :clap

[Chacifer]

Mrs.(or Miss, or Ms.) Chowdah Head, Please clarify this, as I think the passing on a double yellow (without a sign) is only legal in Vermont, I know it is definately not in New York. Plus, correct me, I am almost positive it is not legal in Mass. . ??.

I was talking about Vermont when I made that comment. That's what this thread is about, duh! :D

[Rob Nye]

Greetings,

Regarding the whole passing on the double yellow thing the intent is to allow motorists to cross the double yellow to pass a slow moving farm vehicle, not to pass the suv going 55 up route 100.

There is legislation pending in Vermont to clarify this as the original law does not specify or define "farm equipment". The new bill defines the equipment and also states that it must be moving at 10mph or less.

Due to an event put on by an off-road club from Ct there was a bill introduced (HR.421) which sought to limit and define "group rides" as any ride with a specified route, advertised key time or consisting of six or more vehicles and allow towns to limit these rides. Bad behavior leads to bad laws.

I am hopeful that the 8,000 or so BMW Riders who visit behave responsibly and not "rip it up", just as I am sure you would hope the same if we were coming to your neck of the woods.

The bottom line it we really don't want you to think the roads of Vermont will be your personal race track and that you can pass at will because of an obscure part of the motor vehicle code. The roads of Vermont are twisty with reduced sight lines which make passing something other than a slow moving tractor very risky. Near the rally site you can count on many motorcycles traveling in *both* directions on any given moment, I would hate to hear of a head on collision between two riders, a rider and a cage or a rider and *anything* because they thought it was OK to disregard the center markings.

The state speed limit in Vermont is 50 mph and every town has a lower limit which is well marked. While there are not many LEO's doing enforcement in the 50 mph zones you will find enforcement of the lower limits in the towns. My rule of thumb is to enjoy the remote areas and respect the need for caution in the small towns by slowing down.

Please join us and bring your best riding game face. Leave the hooliganism behind and have a great time in Vermont.

[dataman]

Well stated Rob. I'd like to share with my fellow MOA members my 53 years of experience living in VT. If the weather is dry during the rally there will be a lot of farm equipment on the roads. The heaviest concentration of farms in VT are in Addison, Franklin and Lamoile counties. These are all areas you will be riding in, they have excellent roads and extra care will be needed when approaching blind curves, hils, etc. As Rob mentioned it is not unusual to crest a hill or round a corner and find a 20 foot wide combine or tractor going 10mph directly in front of you. A collission on a motorcycle with any type of farm equipment is typically deadly. There will be plenty of local riders around to provide guidance on these areas. VT is also a state that has NO tolerance for drinking and driving. The roads here challenging enough when you're sober. If you plan to drink any alcohol - don't drive - anywhere! Speed enforcement falls primarily to the county sherriffs. They patrol mostly within the confines of small towns with spped limits of 35mph on a revenue sharing plan. They will ticket you. The state highways and interstates are patroled by the VT State police. They will generally leave you alone unless you are doing something stupid and/or dangerous. VT is a fabulous place with great riding in every direction. Come enjoy yourself and act responsibly.
:)

[85343]

I have been a LEO for 18 years in VT and have never heard of the intent of the limitations on passing law applying to farm vehicles. I have not heard of or could I find any legislation to include that intent in the law with a search of bills introduced. The bill on group riding events looks dead. Only about 15% of the bills introduced get passed into law. The comment about watching your speed in populated areas is gospel. Most officers tend to get pissed if you blast through a residential area or the center of town. The residents get upset and call the Chief. The Chief yells at the officers so the officers write tickets. Also a lot of people have cell phones, although coverage is spotty in VT. You would be amazed at how many people call in speeding vehicles. I back off some when I'm passing cars rather than blowing by them, to avoid the call. There is enough open road in VT that you don't have to get stuck behind a lot of traffic. Several times a year there are traffic enforcement acivities sponsored by Highway Safety. The departments are rewarded with free radar and laser equipment for writing a lot of tickets. Highway Safety provides overtime money to put more officers on the road to help in writing tickets. Hopefully that won't be happening in July. Most cruisers have instant on radar, and Lidar(laser) use is growing every year.

[RedHawK12GT]

I was talking about Vermont when I made that comment. That's what this thread is about, duh! :D

OK, I stand corrected. My post was to clarify this. Don't get bent out of shape. :stick

[RedHawK12GT]

Well stated Rob. I'd like to share with my fellow MOA members my 53 years of experience living in VT. If the weather is dry during the rally there will be a lot of farm equipment on the roads. The heaviest concentration of farms in VT are in Addison, Franklin and Lamoile counties. These are all areas you will be riding in, they have excellent roads and extra care will be needed when approaching blind curves, hils, etc. As Rob mentioned it is not unusual to crest a hill or round a corner and find a 20 foot wide combine or tractor going 10mph directly in front of you. A collission on a motorcycle with any type of farm equipment is typically deadly. There will be plenty of local riders around to provide guidance on these areas. VT is also a state that has NO tolerance for drinking and driving. The roads here challenging enough when you're sober. If you plan to drink any alcohol - don't drive - anywhere! Speed enforcement falls primarily to the county sherriffs. They patrol mostly within the confines of small towns with spped limits of 35mph on a revenue sharing plan. They will ticket you. The state highways and interstates are patroled by the VT State police. They will generally leave you alone unless you are doing something stupid and/or dangerous. VT is a fabulous place with great riding in every direction. Come enjoy yourself and act responsibly.
:)
Having been driving truck (commercial tractor-trailer) for many years in Vermont I wholeheartedly agree......... . You want to be a "hot-dog" stay home. You may think you have an open road, then a dog, or a little girl is on her bicycle around the corner. Let's all have a good time, be safe, and enjoy the rally. If you get nailed by the enforcement bureau, I hope they tack your ass to the wall. I am not a "saint", but I have respect.

[MarkF]

Having been driving truck (commercial tractor-trailer) for many years in Vermont I wholeheartedly agree......... . You want to be a "hot-dog" stay home.

Or just cross over to NY? :nono

[Rob Nye]

I have been a LEO for 18 years in VT and have never heard of the intent of the limitations on passing law applying to farm vehicles. I have not heard of or could I find any legislation to include that intent in the law with a search of bills introduced. <snip>

Hey now,

Thanks for you input.

Take a look at
this proposed bill (http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.cfm?URL=/docs/2006/bills/intro/H-068.HTM). hopefully it will be in the 85% of bills that don't pass. I saw the 10mph comment in a seperate search and it does not appear in the proposed bill.

Best,

[PacWestGS]

Small Hijack

I think I've found something to make my post retirement living on. I think I should write a book called "The Most Comprehensive Book on Federal, State, and County Motor Vehicle Codes and Traffic Enforcement" Edition #1. (Because there will be a need for subsequent editions)

I have been witness on this forum to the founded and unfounded facts of the interpretation to all existing road laws, governed by the appropirate controlling authorities given control over the enforcement and adjudication of traffic law.

The omissions of specific details, what I call 'vagueness' which allows 'loop-holes' for people who 'KNOW' the law, and the 'nit-pickin' that allows law enforcement officer 'discretion' in enforcing the existing law to the extreme.

It would take considerable research, to do this, but in the end, I think it would be a 'Best Seller' for anyone who operates a motor vehicles in North America, (including Canada). There already may be some versions of books like this floating around but not a comprehensive one, I don't even think the AAA has a clue to each and every little nuance of what is, what is not, and what is allowed: state by state and city by city.

I've gone round and round here with people about things like: Lane-Splitting (Sharing), the use of auxiliary lighting and safety lighting, and the number of 'Head Lights' an authorized vehicle may exhibit. But, lets get into the details of which states, and counties will allow you to 'Temporarily Exceed' the posted speed limit while passing and those that do not permit the posted speed limit to be exceeded under any conditions? Or, when is passing over a solid line of any color permitted and under which circumstances?

Thanks to all of you, I have found my 'Golden Egg' thanks.

Russ

Hijack Over

Of course I will have to travel to each and every state, county and municipality to conduct research on this, so I am at this time accepting donations for fuel, lodging and maintenance/replacement cost associated with this research. I will use my own monies to write the book and then get some publisher to make sure that I have not broken any ‘copy-write’ laws and then I will get it on the book shelves. This may take at least 10-years to complete so don’t hold your breath. I’m sure that the second edition will follow shortly. Will the BMW MOA and its members please sponsor this ‘boondoggle’ so that I can see all of America and Canada without incurring any costs? Thank You, I will list all contributing factors in the ‘Acknowledgements’. :D

:lurk

[85343]

I did a search on passing and the H68 bill did not show up. With the word passing in the title twice one would think a search would find the bill. The bill appears to be dead in the water at this time.

[kenfield]

It looks like the H68 bill is in the transportation committee.

[dancogan]

Hey now,

Thanks for you input.

Take a look at
this proposed bill (http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.cfm?URL=/docs/2006/bills/intro/H-068.HTM). hopefully it will be in the 85% of bills that don't pass. I saw the 10mph comment in a seperate search and it does not appear in the proposed bill.

Best,
Can't figure out why they would limit the bill to only passing farm vehicles. Why not permit passing any vehicle under those circumstances?

[Fritzc]

My last cycle visit to Vermont was in 1983 and I remember many many cattle crossings were on curves. It was dry when I was there but combine a little moisture and a little bit of Cow doo doo and you have a very slippery situation. Lots of dairy farms in that part of Vermont.
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[Emoto]

My last cycle visit to Vermont was in 1983 and I remember many many cattle crossings were on curves. It was dry when I was there but combine a little moisture and a little bit of Cow doo doo and you have a very slippery situation. Lots of dairy farms in that part of Vermont.
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Let's also bear in mind that there a lot of small twisty roads that are challenging and fun, but WILL have water, leaves, and Other Stuff on them in the most inconvenient spots. New England roads can be quite unpredictable. That goes for camber too.