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basketcase
09-12-2005, 10:35 AM
Already I’ve seen several news segments about the plight of the animals abandoned in New Orleans, and the subject is now showing up on various Internet message boards.

The sticky question is, “What about the matter of disaster relief funds designated for saving the animals in New Orleans?”

As a pet owner (1 dog, 4 cats, all kept up to date on vaccinations, etc.) I well understand the enjoyment pets bring to us. But I have to say up front that if faced with a choice of getting into the rescue boat without my critters (and thereby saving my own life and/or that of my family), or staying behind to die with the animal -- I’ll get in the boat and leave the critter (flame suit securely zipped).

Beyond that, I have a pragmatic take on the difference between the value of human life and animal life, and what to do about the animals in question in New Orleans.

Many of those animals have now been traumatized, and have effectively reverted to a wild state. Capturing an animal in that setting is not as simple as "c'mere pooch," or "here kitty kitty." It is dirty and time consuming, and in the case of dogs that have "packed," it can be highly dangerous.

Next, having been exposed repeatedly to the chemicals and hazards of the waters, these animals will be (1) experiencing the health issues for themselves, and (2) posing a health problem for the human population. The danger to humans aside, pampering such an animal in a diseased state is not treating it humanely, but extending its misery. The animal is going to die anyway, and dumping money on the problem is not going to change that reality.

One of my children spent two summers volunteering at the local animal shelter, a.k.a., the "humane society." And I can tell you a lot of animal lovers are in denial about the matter.

Let's say these animals are captured, and placed in shelters. The shelters are already over-crowded, and the chances of local animals being adopted is very, very slim. Are we to think that people will suddenly turn out in droves and adopted a diseased animal from New Orleans?

Next, the cost of maintaining an animal in a shelter is well documented. But what many who swear by the shelters don't want to admit is that after a time the clock runs out -- and the equivalent of the canine and feline gas chamber is the destination. What the shelter actually does is give the person who is mentally unable to face up to it a vehicle for distancing him or herself from that reality.

So it seems to me the humane and reasonable thing to do is put them out with a simple head shot. It's quick, safe, and a lot cheaper than the other options.

Regarding the donation of funds, if someone chooses to spend their discretionary monies in that manner it is certainly their privilege. But I maintain the life of an animal is not equivalent to the life of a human, and that human life is infinitely more valuable than animal life. No apologies are offered for the position.

Finally, if (or when) your child comes in and says "I have a friend in school whose family was displaced by the hurricane," you need to be prepared to explain to yourself why you are willing to put money into an animal, instead of spending it on a person who can look at and talk to you -- and who might one day be your son or daughter in law.

Financially, emotionally, and socially these displaced families and particularly, the children whose lives have been turned upside down by this tragedy, need and deserve something better than what many so piously put into their animals.

As always, IMHO

IAMBOB
09-12-2005, 10:37 AM
I think their websites are missing the boat on this one, people are/were supposedly starving down there.. find a lost animal, put it's picture on the web looking for the lost owners?? How about Yellow lab, can feed a family of 5??

Belquar
09-12-2005, 10:59 AM
How would it make you feel to find out a member of your family was dinner to one of the jacka#@ $%^& shooting at the rescuers. It is definitely a tough issue but one that should be dealt with a certain degree of compassion and sensitivity.

basketcase
09-12-2005, 11:52 AM
How would it make you feel to find out a member of your family was dinner to one of the jacka#@ $%^& shooting at the rescuers. It is definitely a tough issue but one that should be dealt with a certain degree of compassion and sensitivity.Are you saying that the gangsters are eating the animals roaming the streets? Or are you saying that gangsters are killing and eating their own family members?

Anyway, given the lead content of the water (and therefore, of the meat) eating animals roaming the streets of New Orleans is not real smart. But then, if the gangsters were smart, they would not be shooting at the rescuers, either.

Please hear me accurately: I love animals, take good care of those I own, and affirm the need to deal humanely with a sick or injured animal that must be put away, without endangering human life in the process.

And I maintain that if the goal is to deal humanely with a diseased, suffering animal that has reverted to a wild state, it is better to shoot the animal from a distance than it is to (1) risk human life and health capturing it, or (2) prolong the animal's suffering by putting it a shelter to die of the cancers and other issues caused by the ingestation of sewage and chemicals.

As always, IMHO

Cliffy777
09-12-2005, 12:59 PM
interesting to see the poll results. right now (9/12/05 at 2 pm eastern) there are 71% in favor of putting the animals in shelters, etc.
i am a long time pet owner, dog lover, former horse owner, 4-H member as a kid, etc. and I believe all monies and resources must be toward saving people, not animals.

BubbaZanetti
09-12-2005, 01:14 PM
yeah, no offence to the pet owners/lovers out there, but as someone who never had a pet and tends to do the "pat twice on the head and then shoo the animal away" thing whenever i'm near other people's, i say focus on the the people first. think about it in terms of your own family. loosing a pet is one thing, but loosing a family member is quite another..............

username
09-12-2005, 01:58 PM
i think it's a false assumption to think that we have to choose between people and animals - it seems like we should be able to muster the resources to save both.

why the f*ck does every situation in america have to be reduced to choosing between two things? god help us if we ever have three viable choices or have to think in terms of "and" instead of "or."

Belquar
09-12-2005, 02:55 PM
I don't believe in animal life over human. I am an emergency vet tech. That usually stigmatizes members of my work community. People think we are all bleeding heart animals are better than people types. I am very much a realist and don't think that way. I love animals, but I am also very much in support of the euthanasia of an aggressive or sick animal. I also have hunted extensively and fully support that as long as a person intends to make use of the kill. In the case of NOLA and the surrounding areas, those animals should be allowed to fend for themselves until such a time comes where they need to be shot for causing a public health risk, due to disease or aggression. Until they can be policed up and attempts made to find homes. Do I think the shelters should be filled?....NO. Absolutely not. Should the animals be corraled for a time to allow the public to attempt to recover their pet? Yes. Logistics....who knows.

Just think....you have lost everything. Your children cried for Rover when you had to evacuate and leave him behind. What a wonderful gift to give a child and be able to reunite them with their friend.

I have worked with animals my entire life. When I wrangled horses in South Carolina we had plans to deal with hurricane evacs. Horses were to be turned loose to fend for themselves.

I disagree with the position to just aribitrarily go around popping animals in the head. It will not always kill immediately and would probably end up in many animals running around wounded and suffering. What if all our overwhelming decisions in life resulted in execution. There are those who have tried that from time to time.

Some may recall the story of Dosha the dog. Amazing survival story where a head shot was not effective.

http://www.tigeru.com/article72.html

A google search of Dog Survives Gunshot will bring up numerous stories. Please don't take this post as an aggressive retort. Simply a different perspective.

BradfordBenn
09-13-2005, 12:17 AM
Must tighter results then I expected.

Just remember spay and neuter your pets unless you are planning on being a responible puppy owner.

knary
09-13-2005, 01:04 AM
i think it's a false assumption to think that we have to choose between people and animals - it seems like we should be able to muster the resources to save both.

why the f*ck does every situation in america have to be reduced to choosing between two things? god help us if we ever have three viable choices or have to think in terms of "and" instead of "or."

:nod
(emphatic)

p.s. Get outa my head.

Belquar
09-13-2005, 07:17 AM
[QUOTE Just remember spay and neuter your pets unless you are planning on being a responible puppy owner.[/QUOTE]

I second, third, fourth, and fifth that until I am blue in the face. Helps cut down on pets wandering in search of a little tail....

95% of the patients we see at work that have been hit by cars are un-neutered

username
09-13-2005, 09:57 AM
:nod
(emphatic)

p.s. Get outa my head.

no way, it's nice in here!

BradfordBenn
09-13-2005, 09:37 PM
no way, it's nice in here!

I hear it is kind of roomy
:nyah