Political Persuasions of Members

[coloktmGS]

So I'm curious, what is the political affiliation of the members of the MOA and by extension, BMW riders? Just a curiosity after reading several recent posts.

[James.A]

......I consider myself to be a Republican of the libertarian persuation. Definitely NOT a bible thumper.

[MarkF]

......I consider myself to be a Republican of the libertarian persuation. Definitely NOT a bible thumper.

Similarly, I describe myself as a pro-state's rights, fiscal conservative, social libertarian, strict constitutionalist.

[GeoffMiller]

Oh, most definately commie, pinko, fag, who would love nothing more than to hug Hillary Clinton!!! :nyah

[basketcase]

Until I came along, everyone in my family was historically "yellow dog" democrats. I guess that means loyal to the death, or some fascimile thereof.

While in the USMC (1972-76) I developed this pro-military, matter of fact, common sense conservative streak that ran my old man and all of my uncles crazy. God rest each of their misguided and departed souls...

Rick (I know they are dead and gone, but they probably just rolled over in their graves) in AL

:hide

[The_Veg]

I have been everything except republican and Big-L Libertarian (note the distinction) at one time or another, at least in spirit (some of these times were before I was of voting age).

Here's some pot-stirring for you that I saw on a sticker:

"Are you conservative or just a kneejerk Republican? If you're a conservative, you actually value the input and participation of even your fiercest opponents. You want to conserve things, like ethics, the environment, tolerance, integrity … go look it up in the dictionary. You value the truth even if it's not pretty-even if it's about your own leaders. You don't close your eyes. You value both the letter and spirit of the Constitution (and laws). You don't try to get around it to your advantage. The current GOP leadership has consistently sidelined, ignored, and locked out Democrats from most major legislative decisions after 2001, the entire time accusing Democrats of being obstructionist and partisan. It just wasn't the reverse when Democrats were in power. Really. Don't believe it? Look at the Congressional record for yourself-and reconsider your stand. Demand at least a minimum of good will and intellectual honesty from your leaders in your name. Tell them to stop trying to win at all costs, and to practice what they preach. The current GOP is not the party of Lincoln. It's anything BUT conservative. It's not pro-democracy. It's not practicing family values-or Christian values, for that matter. And it's not telling the truth."

I'm not trying to start an argument (and will not engage anybody who tries to get me in one), just something to chew on. I've known both types, and have friends in both categories. The fact that I am diametrically opposed to their ideas on how stuff should be run doesn't make them a less good person.

[YB in IN]

I have been everything except republican and Big-L Libertarian (note the distinction) at one time or another, at least in spirit (some of these times were before I was of voting age).

Here's some pot-stirring for you that I saw on a sticker:

"Are you conservative or just a kneejerk Republican? If you're a conservative, you actually value the input and participation of even your fiercest opponents. You want to conserve things, like ethics, the environment, tolerance, integrity … go look it up in the dictionary. You value the truth even if it's not pretty-even if it's about your own leaders. You don't close your eyes. You value both the letter and spirit of the Constitution (and laws). You don't try to get around it to your advantage. The current GOP leadership has consistently sidelined, ignored, and locked out Democrats from most major legislative decisions after 2001, the entire time accusing Democrats of being obstructionist and partisan. It just wasn't the reverse when Democrats were in power. Really. Don't believe it? Look at the Congressional record for yourself-and reconsider your stand. Demand at least a minimum of good will and intellectual honesty from your leaders in your name. Tell them to stop trying to win at all costs, and to practice what they preach. The current GOP is not the party of Lincoln. It's anything BUT conservative. It's not pro-democracy. It's not practicing family values-or Christian values, for that matter. And it's not telling the truth."

I'm not trying to start an argument (and will not engage anybody who tries to get me in one), just something to chew on. I've known both types, and have friends in both categories. The fact that I am diametrically opposed to their ideas on how stuff should be run doesn't make them a less good person.


That must have been a really big sticker.

[BubbaZanetti]

lefty, liberal, socialist who likes guns and big government and revels at the idea of a post-petroleum state of anarchy but hates anarchists..............

[sgborgstrom]

Socialist leaning libertairian...

Some things are so basic to our civilization they shouldn't be supplied for profit: water, power, basic education, healthcare are among them. On the otherhand I would like my government to work by the creed "An it harm none, do what thou will." (apologies to any wiccans out there if I mauled that too much)

Steve

[Callmethebreeze]

Independent, no ists, ans or ats.

Breeze.

[PacWestGS]

I guess by now you all know where I stand, "On my own two feet" even if every once in a while I insert one of them in my mouth.

[The_Veg]

That must have been a really big sticker.

Not really- just small text. Find it at StickerGiant (http://www.stickergiant.com).

[Rich]

"Are you conservative or just a kneejerk Republican? If you're a conservative, you actually value the input and participation of even your fiercest opponents. You want to conserve things, like ethics, the environment, tolerance, integrity … go look it up in the dictionary. You value the truth even if it's not pretty-even if it's about your own leaders. You don't close your eyes. You value both the letter and spirit of the Constitution (and laws). You don't try to get around it to your advantage. The current GOP leadership has consistently sidelined, ignored, and locked out Democrats from most major legislative decisions after 2001, the entire time accusing Democrats of being obstructionist and partisan. It just wasn't the reverse when Democrats were in power. Really. Don't believe it? Look at the Congressional record for yourself-and reconsider your stand. Demand at least a minimum of good will and intellectual honesty from your leaders in your name. Tell them to stop trying to win at all costs, and to practice what they preach. The current GOP is not the party of Lincoln. It's anything BUT conservative. It's not pro-democracy. It's not practicing family values-or Christian values, for that matter. And it's not telling the truth."

I'm not trying to start an argument (and will not engage anybody who tries to get me in one), just something to chew on. I've known both types, and have friends in both categories. The fact that I am diametrically opposed to their ideas on how stuff should be run doesn't make them a less good person.

Republican.

I sure would like to hear how the Democrats practice family values and Christian values though. While you are at it, tell us about how truthful Bill Clinton was while he was in office.

I'm not picking on anyone either, the sad fact is, all politicians seem to be dishonest and in it for their own gain anymore. It's very unfortunate for all of us.

What I would really like to hear is how do we FIX it all.

[BradfordBenn]

I am a free thinking individual more of the liberal persuasion. I don't like dogmatic opinions without getting the information to make a well founded decision. So I try to make my own decisions and don't care if it is a republican or democratic stance.

[MarkF]

Some things are so basic to our civilization they shouldn't be supplied for profit: water, power, basic education, healthcare are among them.

I'm with you - now only if a non-profit or government agency could deliver them for the same cost.

[coloktmGS]

on that note...more importantly, if the government would pay me what I'll hopefully make in the private sector as a dentist, I'd love gov't. healthcare. Well, except the fact that I couldn't do half of what I've been trained to do because in most gov't systems, 1/2 of american denistry is deemed luxury and therefore not needed. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I don't want the govt anywhere near my healthcare...or my patient's healthcare...

Next time you need a major medical service, think do you want the best or simply something cheap enough for 'everyone' to afford? If it's not good enough for you, why's is good enough for others?

"Helathcare for all...but the best for myself, I'm willing to pay..."
many anonymous patients

[Visian]

I'm a conservative that votes Republican.

Small government is an ideal I admire. And I firmly believe that government should be implemented as close to its point of consumption as possible. The further away the decision-making is done, the more money is wasted.

My favorite book is Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand, because it points out a basic truth about the world: the greatest motivation is personal gain. Socialist constructs sound great but inevitably eliminate innovation and quality because they eliminate incentive.

Veg's bumper sticker has a ring of truth, but as is the case with anything political, it isn't the whole story. I agree with his statement: "The fact that I am diametrically opposed to their ideas on how stuff should be run doesn't make them a less good person."

It would be great if government were run on this principle: focus less on pointing out reasons why we can't and more on finding ways that we can.

My son, a PoliSci PhD candidate, says it best: Government's purpose is to subjugate the people. It is a self-perptuating system that is designed purely to perpetuate itself.

Therefore, less government is good.

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/250/fthink.gif

Ian

[goferu]

Since we are asking for personal information. I would like to ask how much money everyone makes? I already know your age and political party affiliation now your salaries and religion are the next questions to be answered.

[Oznay]

So I'm curious, what is the political affiliation of the members of the MOA and by extension, BMW riders? Just a curiosity after reading several recent posts.

What next,how many times do u chew yer food before u swallow?






trusty'92 airhead GS

[Callmethebreeze]

We're just collecting information for our dossier on you. Next we'll sell that information to a spammer, telemarketing outfit or PAC. Stay tuned.
BTW, what's your favorite color?

Breeze

[Oznay]

We're just collecting information for our dossier on you. Next we'll sell that information to a spammer, telemarketing outfit or PAC. Stay tuned.
BTW, what's your favorite color?

Breeze

plaid :stick

[kbasa]

These days, I guess I'm a democrat. In the past, I've been more on the Republican side of the fence, but that was back when I agreed with their economic policies. These days, neither side seems to have an economic policy grounded in any kind of reality I'm aware of, so I'm going with the party that seems to adhere more to the "pursuit of happiness" mission described in the Constitution.

[PacWestGS]

I'm a conservative that votes Republican.

Small government is an ideal I admire. And I firmly believe that government should be implemented as close to its point of consumption as possible. The further away the decision-making is done, the more money is wasted.

It would be great if government were run on this principle: focus less on pointing out reasons why we can't and more on finding ways that we can.

Therefore, less government is good.

Ian

I agree with Visians' theory of smaller government with decisions that impact my life made at the closest (lowest) level, (City, State, and Federal).

Case in point of the fallacy of big government waste IMHO was the Terry Schivo case. How in the hell did that whole states’ "Right to Die" case make it the US Congress, especially during a time of war. That was a "STATE" decision and was made by the courts in that state. (This is only my opinion and does not in any way construe a belief of the ideals of others) The Supreme Court rightfully wouldn’t hear it and sent it back to the state for final adjudication.

I personally like to keep most of the money I make (TAKE THAT AS I WORK HARD FOR MY MONEY) and don't like to see it wasted on worthless (pork) projects that don't and never will benefit me or others in a significant way. I personally don’t like living in a “Social Welfare” country where people are sustained for life based on choices (bad choices) that they make. Two-years and specialized job-training that’s it: NO new kids, no vises (cigarettes, alcohol, drugs), etc. etc. If “WE” are paying for you to live we get to dictate how you live, you don’t like it don’t collect the check.

Take NASA for example, it was a rush to get there (space 1969) but with all the ground-based technology since then you mean to tell me; we can't replicate experiments in space right here on the ground; for a lot less money, and under a lot more safety and duplicity? For the cost of one shuttle launch we could educate how many thousands of children so they don't have to live in the conditions that led to their deaths in N.O. LA.

I don't mind paying taxes as long as that money goes to helping me and others live a better and more productive life. Gas taxes, no problem as long as it goes to keeping me and others moving down efficient and safe roads. General taxes, again no problem as long it goes to the betterment of society as a whole. But when government (local, state and federal) wastes my collected taxes on stupid pet projects and personal endeavors that benefit only a few then I think they should have held a car wash to pay for it and people should have known what they were paying for and why. Another case in point: Louisiana should have been using their tax revenue and tourism dollars collected over the last 50-years to fix their levees. I don’t see how that is a federal problem? Republican or Democratic…

[MarkF]

Since we are asking for personal information. I would like to ask how much money everyone makes? I already know your age and political party affiliation now your salaries and religion are the next questions to be answered.

Your choice to answer or not (or truthfully). If you don't want to why take issue with those that do?

[knary]

The choices are too limiting. "Non-political/independent" is too big of a bucket.

Where's the "I'm not a democrat but I think the republican party is arrogant devil-spawn quicker to tell a hard lie than an easy truth that's trying to sucker the american people into thinking that the best american is a greedy intolerant prick"? :evil

[Bob_M]

The democrats (who usually get my votes) have not demonstrated any leadership, and my distaste for republican politicans is well documented. Both demonstrate that they are primarily concerned with their own well being and enrichment, rather than the good of America's citizens. My view is that government has a role in issues that have nationwide impact and that taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society. The whole "privitize everything" crowd scares me. The marketplace does not care about many things that have value to society.

IMHO

[einnar]

I am of the political party that thinks that everyone in office is a self-absorbed idiot. (Does this bill make my butt look fat? Yes mr/mrs reporter, I have a stance on that, and I'll tell you at a news conference as soon as I figure out what it is. etc..etc..)

I tend to lean republican at first, as they are generally better for the military (20 years now and counting.) After we take their short lead into account for that historical tidbit, I look at the issues, and then vote appropriately independant of party affiliation.

[PacWestGS]

Oh, clarification on my opinion of NASA does not mean that NASA should go away, it should keep doing the many great things it does: space exploration, launching communications satellites, learning how to protect us from an asteroid, etc. I just don't see the benefits v. cost of sending people into space where they can not survive without enormous support. (EDIT: And we spend $ millions to investigate why people who strapped themselves to a rocket and launched themselves into space and didn't make it; they knew the risk, move on)

When we have so many earth bound projects that need much attention. :dunno




Where is the “LEADERSHIP” that is whom I vote for, Republican, Democrat or Independent. Doesn’t matter to me. :dunno

[Callmethebreeze]

The choices are too limiting. "Non-political/independent" is too big of a bucket.

Where's the "I'm not a democrat but I think the republican party is arrogant devil-spawn quicker to tell a hard lie than an easy truth that's trying to sucker the american people into thinking that the best american is a greedy intolerant prick"? :evil

Don't you mean 'tell an easy lie than a hard truth?' I don't understand it the other way. Can you give an example?

Breeze

PS My example: Easy lie: "Mike Brown is highly qualified to run Fema"
Hard truth "Mike Brown overstated his qualifications in crisis managemnt and has been recalled"

[Hodag]

proud member of the "beer party"

with a slant towards socialism towards society
AKA everyone should be fed, clothed, taught, while adding to society

a jigger of libertarion in regards to personel and states rights
personel privacy, states rights, and legalizing a whole list of stuff

a shake of green party
earth first we can strip the other planets later

a dash of republinazi and dumbucrat
shrub bad plain and simple, local republicans good

but usually I vote for nader (because I feel bad for him)

[BradfordBenn]

What is interesting is that I have this sticker
http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/250/fthink.gif
on my car as well, but am definitely liberal.

I have three key rules in life, which are probably posted on this forum somewhere:

1) I hate everyone equally
2) If you are not sleeping with me, I don't care who you are sleeping with
3) Don't see anyone you work with, without their pants on

[YB in IN]

3) Don't see anyone you work with, without their pants on

Guilty. But it goes with the profession, you're going to see coworkers without pants on in dressing rooms. Though there are those few cases where it's in more of a "recreational setting" if you will, with members of the opposite sex. :uhoh

[knary]

Don't you mean 'tell an easy lie than a hard truth?' I don't understand it the other way. Can you give an example?

Breeze

PS My example: Easy lie: "Mike Brown is highly qualified to run Fema"
Hard truth "Mike Brown overstated his qualifications in crisis managemnt and has been recalled"

Every big lie is a hard lie. Why are we in Iraq? Ask the administration and they'll give you a different answer depending on the day, some of which have nothing to do with why we are there. When pressed, they'll pretend they never said it. Building a web of deceit is always harder than speaking openly and honestly.

[BradfordBenn]

Though there are those few cases where it's in more of a "recreational setting" if you will, with members of the opposite sex. :uhoh

Those are the ones that will get you in trouble and I try to avoid those. DAMHIK, IJK.

[YB in IN]

Those are the ones that will get you in trouble and I try to avoid those. DAMHIK, IJK.

Yeah it's sort of one of the fringe benefits of this biz. I know of a certain famous Basso who will remain nameless who made a point of picking out a chorus girl to "woo" in productions he was in.

[YB in IN]

Every big lie is a hard lie. Why are we in Iraq? Ask the administration and they'll give you a different answer depending on the day, some of which have nothing to do with why we are there. When pressed, they'll pretend they never said it. Building a web of deceit is always harder than speaking openly and honestly.

First it was the war on terrorism, than it was a war to bring democracy to a region, and now it's a war on extremism. Ain't it great?

[knary]

First it was the war on terrorism, than it was a war to bring democracy to a region, and now it's a war on extremism. Ain't it great?

You forgot WMD, imminent threat, etc. At what point is "spin" lying?

[goferu]

not taking issue...just want to know...answer if you want to or not.... :thumb

[kbasa]

Since we are asking for personal information. I would like to ask how much money everyone makes? I already know your age and political party affiliation now your salaries and religion are the next questions to be answered.

Jeez, dude.

[basketcase]

next thing he'll want to know is preferred brand of paper... :hide

[PacWestGS]

Since we are asking for personal information. I would like to ask how much money everyone makes? I already know your age and political party affiliation now your salaries and religion are the next questions to be answered.


NUNYA, NUNYA DAMNED BUSINESS

You want to know? (somewhere around four 0's with a 1 in front and a 6 thrown in, not exact but close enough, you could be one, ten, or a hundred thousand off) including my retirement check; dog-tags said "NO-PREF"erence' for 21-years; if I'm dying I don't care, if I'm living Christian, but I don't need someone to tell me how to live; I figured that out on my own. My wife is Thai (posted somewhere else) she's Buddhist and Catholic, we get along just fine; we just celebrated our seventh. I think I'm becoming Buddhist because it works for me, I like that in a religion, good karma and bad karma, you choose. Respect is a two-way street.

You said elsewhere that you're glad not to be part of my life, that's too bad, because my life is pretty good; again, I think you're missing something, but that's up to you to decide.

You get out of life what you put into it; live life well, and you get to reap the rewards; expect too much, and you will surely be disappointed. Treat others well and you shall be treated well by others.

Did that answer any of your questions about me? I'm an open book, just ask anyone who's investigated me. There are lots of things that are private, but when you have a high level security clearance there really isn't that much left to discuss.

If you ask for my SSN and mother's maiden name: "STICK IT" I draw the line.

[MarkF]

not taking issue...just want to know...answer if you want to or not.... :thumb

Roman Catholic and my salary is a matter of public record, it comes with being a government employee.

[PacWestGS]

[QUOTE=BradfordBenn]What is interesting is that I have this sticker
http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/250/fthink.gif
on my car as well, but am definitely liberal.


I heard this somewhere else; "I think, therefore I am" I guess that means you are entitled to any of your own opinions or ideals as you wish. :brow

I “Think” that way myself. :thumb

[PUDGYPAINTGUY]

hmmmm...if a group of Budhists go to the temple together...is that considered Karma Pooling?...hehehehe

[PacWestGS]

hmmmm...if a group of Budhists go to the temple together...is that considered Karma Pooling?...hehehehe

When in Asia you will see this, if you've been there then you know the answer.

Q) "How many Buddhist Monks can you get into the back of covered mini pick-up truck (TAXI / Mini-Bus)?"














A) One More, or all of them.


(That's 20 or more people in the back of a covered Toyota/Nissan long bed P/U). NHTSA would have a heart attack if they saw what goes on.

[Mika]

I think therefore I am
Rene Des Carte 1596-1650 French philosopher and mathematician.

Des Carte was pondering his existance - if, how and why he existed. The answer to the questions began with thinking which resulted in his existance.

The pit fall in day to day life is we meet so many who exist and assume therefor they think. A life observation not intended as a comment on anything in this forum.

[eddie]

Good reading! Are americans finally waking up? I feel a little better now.

[Dick]

I'm not just a democrat but a bed wetting liberal to boot. :bolt

[Burnszilla]

I am allowed to pay taxes in this country but I am not allowed to vote.

[PacWestGS]

I am allowed to pay taxes in this country but I am not allowed to vote.

That SUCKS,

Some people are allowed to vote and don't, then complain :fight for years about the outcome.:violin

I feel for ya, I was overseas many times and could not vote.

[Visian]

What is interesting is that I have this sticker
http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/250/fthink.gif
on my car as well, but am definitely liberal.


My point, exactly! :)

Being liberal isn't bad... it is a completely credible point of view.

The most important thing is to think, and to seek knowledge from multiple perspectives.

Doing anything less pretty much guarantees a mediocre outcome, at best.

Ian

[Visian]

Every big lie is a hard lie. Why are we in Iraq? Ask the administration and they'll give you a different answer depending on the day, some of which have nothing to do with why we are there. When pressed, they'll pretend they never said it. Building a web of deceit is always harder than speaking openly and honestly.

In many ways, I agree with you. I believe that if President Bush had laid out what is *really* going on here, not just in Iraq but the whole picture (http://www.khilafah.com/home/), that the American people would have understood clearly and bought into the plan.

In the vein of considering contrasting points of view, please think about this:

Al-Qaida Plan: Islamic World in 15 Years (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,369448,00.html)

Al-Qaida has a master plan to take over the world and turn it into an Islamic state - by the year 2020.

Wishful thinking? Not in the minds of the top terrorist lieutenants interviewed by Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein for a new book - including Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, mastermind of many atrocities in Iraq.

The plan, which is revealed for the first time in the Australian publication The Age, has seven phases:

Phase 1: The "awakening" in the consciousness of Muslims around the world following the 9/11 attacks, which were aimed at provoking the U.S. into declaring war on the Islamic world and mobilizing Islamic radicals.

Phase 2: "Opening eyes," the current period, which should last until 2006. Hussein said the terrorists hope to make the "Western conspiracy" aware of the "Islamic community" as al-Qaida continues to form its secret battalions.

Phase 3: "Arising and standing up," which should last until 2010 and bring increasingly frequent attacks against secular Turkey and archenemy Israel.

Phase 4: Lasting until 2013, this phase will see the fall of hated Arab regimes, including Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Oil suppliers will be attacked and the U.S. economy will be targeted with cyber terrorism.

Phase 5: An Islamic state, or caliphate (http://www.khilafah.com/home/), can be declared between 2013 and 2016.

Phase 6: "Total confrontation," beginning in 2016, will see the Islamic army begin the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" that has been predicted by Osama bin Laden.

Phase 7: "Definitive victory."

Hussein writes that this phase should be completed by 2020, and that the terrorists believe the caliphate will prove victorious because the rest of the world will be beaten down by an army of "one and a half billion Muslims."

So there... proof and liberals and conservatives can share a view. :)

Now, what to do next? :brow

Ian

[goferu]

Man I could care less what you do for a living, how much you make what your religion is or your politics. I don't think questions like these are appropriate on a forum. If people want to offer the info that is great be an open book if you want to be. Yes, I was being sacrastic when I posed the question.

New paragraph...as for the deer in the countryside. I don't like them either. But that is where deer live. No one wants them in the city. How many times have you heard a biker say, man hit a deer at the intersection of 6th and Lamar streets today( WHAT A MESS). So, I guess, unless we build more deer blinds in the countryside, so we can shoot them out of the water when they come up to graze the corn we so cleverly left them all year round, they are going to be here to stay. A bumper sticker floating around says "I'M GOING TO GO SIT AND HUNT DEER" with this picture of this hunter with his gut hanging over his belt up in the blind drinking beer. Shoooooooooooooot. No pun intended. Love these types. I do believe the deer population gets out of control and needs to be weeded out. But hunt them down where they live don't trick a dumb animal that is just existing, No Karma involved there.

Doc, I am sorry to hear about your dog. I had two beauties like yours years ago. They are the best. It is like losing a member of a family when a pet passes. Your dog was a real good looking Shepard.

[MarkF]

Man I could care less what you do for a living, how much you make what your religion is or your politics. I don't think questions like these are appropriate on a forum. If people want to offer the info that is great be an open book if you want to be. Yes, I was being sacrastic when I posed the question.

Like I said:

Your choice to answer or not (or truthfully). If you don't want to why take issue with those that do?

[BubbaZanetti]

New paragraph...as for the deer in the countryside. I don't like them either. But that is where deer live. No one wants them in the city. How many times have you heard a biker say, man hit a deer at the intersection of 6th and Lamar streets today( WHAT A MESS). So, I guess, unless we build more deer blinds in the countryside, so we can shoot them out of the water when they come up to graze the corn we so cleverly left them all year round, they are going to be here to stay. A bumper sticker floating around says "I'M GOING TO GO SIT AND HUNT DEER" with this picture of this hunter with his gut hanging over his belt up in the blind drinking beer. Shoooooooooooooot. No pun intended. Love these types. I do believe the deer population gets out of control and needs to be weeded out. But hunt them down where they live don't trick a dumb animal that is just existing, No Karma involved there.


http://www.home.earthlink.net/~daranz/outside/frm/hijack.jpg

[Mika]

Yes another case of TAD - Thread Attention Disorder - leading to the poor thread open to the threat of hijacking. :jester :bolt

[RTRandy]

I have to admit, his response might have been slow, but once he showed up, you could really sense his sincere passion for the poor underprivileged people of New Orleans.

[MarkF]

I have to admit, his response might have been slow, but once he showed up, you could really sense his sincere passion for the poor underprivileged people of New Orleans.
Slow? He was there earlier than most know. It was reported on OLN:

[kbasa]

Glad to see everybody's recovered their sense of humor. :ha

[Callmethebreeze]

Glad to see everybody's recovered their sense of humor. :ha


Was that Ray Nagin in the background helping out his constituents? Hmmmm....maybe not. :nyah :nyah

Keep Smilin,
Breeze

[lorazepam]

Was that Ray Nagin in the background helping out his constituents? Hmmmm....maybe not. :nyah :nyah

Keep Smilin,
Breeze

I think he was busy buying a house in Dallas.

[CustomSarge]

fiscal conservative, social liberal, but, when they conflict, #1 wins.
Also, M1kas' ~"they exist, therefore presume to think" (good line!)
I call "tourists of reality", exhibiting Brownian motion through life. :) <<<)))

[Callmethebreeze]

fiscal conservative, social liberal, but, when they conflict, #1 wins.
Also, M1kas' ~"they exist, therefore presume to think" (good line!)
I call "tourists of reality", exhibiting Brownian motion through life. :) <<<)))


This is great!!! Brownian motion....just happened at FEMA.
Cogito Sum Ergo......I'm entitled and someone else is to blame.
Social liberalism...I want to help people out....but don't take all my money will you???....fiscal conservatism.

keep smilin,
Breeze

[selil]

I like a strong government that has my best interests in mind. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a kick ass military that a president never had to use? While I like a strong principled government I can’t for the life of me figure out why we have a department of education. Isn’t what my kids know between myself and the state? A brilliant and glorious legislative session would have congress meeting with nothing to do. Congress doing nothing is better than doing anything. They should spend the next ten years removing bogus and ignorant laws from the books before they are allowed to write another. Start with that amalgamation of ignorance known as the Patriot Act....

I don’t care what somebody else does in their bedroom as long as I’m not being taxed to pay for it. I’m neither so arrogant nor stupid to think I know what makes up a family unit for everybody. Two widows with kids whose husbands died fighting for our country should be able to conjoin their households and have the benefits of partnership (marriage) even if they AREN’T having sex. Sure I have an idea what makes up my family unit, and I’m not sure I like laws defining family. Abortion is a horrible thing that I would never want to contemplate. Yet my fundamental beliefs are my beliefs and I shouldn’t tell other people how to think no matter how distasteful those choices are based solely on my beliefs.

Contrary to certain political parties and Supreme Court judges I do have a fundamental right to privacy. Though the words privacy are not used the first ten amendments are rife with the ideas of privacy. No troops shall be quartered in my house, my property is my own and sacrosanct from government intrusion, I don’t have to tell people about myself in a court of law, I won’t be punished in nasty and horrible ways, and it continues. These are the concepts, and even a strict constructionist would see the basics of framers intent. Politics is deciding who gets what, when, where, and how. Right now everybody is getting the shaft all the time.

[j-budimlya]

The Feds should worry about the rest of the world...and do what is necesary to keep us safe and make sure the rest of the world does not gang up on us...in any economic way...

The social issues have this big $$ attached....it's nice that everyone wants great social programs...but who is to pay?? e.g.,only the goverenment ( which is us, of course) can afford the cost of our high priced government worker benefit plans.....Oh, one more industry can, the pharmaceutical industry can...but then, the socially active want to slash Rx prices so even this industry cannot afford to pay their workers very well....

We need to find a happy middle ground on social issues....maybe withhold the pay of a bunch of politicians, while we lock them in congress until they reach a compromise on healthcare.....and then hire some Japanese to teach in our schools about "sacrifice by everyone for the common good" which many of us seem to flunked in our upbringing...

I better not get started....

Less government is more.....and strong police and military is a given....and lower imigration is better....

Now, that is getting pretty close....

[SheRidesABeemer]

Independent by no means means you are non-political. Half of the state of NH register Independent, myself included.

[MarkF]

I’m neither so arrogant nor stupid to think I know what makes up a family unit for everybody. Two widows with kids whose husbands died fighting for our country should be able to conjoin their households and have the benefits of partnership (marriage) even if they AREN’T having sex.

I wonder what percentage of male-female couple, married over 10 years with children are still having sex with each other and nobody else?

A household is a household and the government should neither encourage or discourage any with tax and benefit laws.

[scjack]

I lean to the right of center and have ZERO use for either of the Clinton's.
But, I believe that you could put the overwhelming majority of politicians (from all the parties) in the world into a big bag............shake it vigorously...............and pour out nothing but S#I%*%.
:fight

[kbasa]

I like a strong government that has my best interests in mind. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a kick ass military that a president never had to use? While I like a strong principled government I can’t for the life of me figure out why we have a department of education. Isn’t what my kids know between myself and the state? A brilliant and glorious legislative session would have congress meeting with nothing to do. Congress doing nothing is better than doing anything. They should spend the next ten years removing bogus and ignorant laws from the books before they are allowed to write another. Start with that amalgamation of ignorance known as the Patriot Act....

I don’t care what somebody else does in their bedroom as long as I’m not being taxed to pay for it. I’m neither so arrogant nor stupid to think I know what makes up a family unit for everybody. Two widows with kids whose husbands died fighting for our country should be able to conjoin their households and have the benefits of partnership (marriage) even if they AREN’T having sex. Sure I have an idea what makes up my family unit, and I’m not sure I like laws defining family. Abortion is a horrible thing that I would never want to contemplate. Yet my fundamental beliefs are my beliefs and I shouldn’t tell other people how to think no matter how distasteful those choices are based solely on my beliefs.

Contrary to certain political parties and Supreme Court judges I do have a fundamental right to privacy. Though the words privacy are not used the first ten amendments are rife with the ideas of privacy. No troops shall be quartered in my house, my property is my own and sacrosanct from government intrusion, I don’t have to tell people about myself in a court of law, I won’t be punished in nasty and horrible ways, and it continues. These are the concepts, and even a strict constructionist would see the basics of framers intent. Politics is deciding who gets what, when, where, and how. Right now everybody is getting the shaft all the time.


In.

JimBud, I'd bet our biggest social program right now is a couple of oceans away. :hide

[lorazepam]

In.

JimBud, I'd bet our biggest social program right now is a couple of oceans away. :hide

Looks like we will be spending a few bucks along the gulf dont ya think? Add in social security, where if you get kicked off welfare, there are lots of doctors and attorneys who will get you on social security disability courtesy of our tax dollars. Doesnt matter if you have never paid into it your whole life, you get it anyway.

We as a nation always seem to come up with the money for everything. I just wish it wasnt trying to nation build in a place where, if you dont step on their throats, they will kill each other off in tribal/religious warfare. It is wishful thinking to believe these folks wont settle ancient and not so ancient scores with one another now that they have the freedom to do so.

The Soviet and former soviet nations are having a buy one get one free sale on any weapons anyone with the money can buy. *terrorists*, freedom fighters, or whatever you want to call those in the middle east who have an axe to grind have no trouble at all getting all the weapons they need.

I support our military. We have right now the finest fighting force in the world. I just wish they were all at their home bases, or at their homes right now.
Afghanistan has asked us to leave, and to stop kicking down doors without permission. The British have really done a lot for the cause smashing down a jail with a tank. Great example to give a nation you want to use the legal and justice system.

Bob Dole was the last of the politicians from either party who would step across the asile, and actually had friends who were democrats. Sad state of affairs we have in Washington. They still have us bent over the barrel though.
Sorry for the rant, I just wish we could all get along.

[James.A]

is that we are in a world war. The sooner that we, as a civilization, come to grips with this the better. America understands this. Britain understands this, as does the rest of the english speaking people. The Dutch understand this(the murder of Theo Van Gogh), Spain capitulated. Germany and France are struggling with it. The Russians understand it but choose to cut their own path. The Chinese see it as an opportunity gather their own sea shells on an otherwise empty beach. They fear no one. Central and South America are too fragmented, politically, to use the power inherent in their people and resources. Africa is mostly in chaos.

It is a grave threat, the scope of which western civilization and classical liberalism has never faced before.

Consider the rhetoric of our adversary. Infidels and Crusaders. That is a thousand years of hatred being brought to fore.

As the greatest, most free and productive nation in all of human history, we have no choice but to mortgage everything in the defense and maintenance of our way of life, at home and abroad. In Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in New Orleans, failure is not an option.

I respectfully invite your comments.

[MarkF]

we are in a world war.


I respectfully invite your comments.

I salute your bluntness! I wish politicians could be so.

[PacWestGS]

In Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in New Orleans, failure is not an option.

I respectfully invite your comments.

Woodsy, I said that about a year ago when someone asked me where to we go from here?

We have to be committed, because:

Failure is not option.

We didn't start it, (Reagan, walked away from it his first day in office) "For those who do not want to believe it by sticking their heads in the sand, Sadam Hussein started it the day he violated a UN and US Order to stand his forces down before invading Kuwait, a US secured country (National Interest)". That is the day the revolution/crusades began. The (I'm not pointing a finger just stating the facts) liberals in the congress and the media made the Army/Air Force stop on the 'Highway of Death'. Since that time, every Mullah and Theocratic Leader has been desperate to expel the 'infidels' they invited by not stopping Sadam Hussein themselves. The balance of power changed and the likes of Usama bin Laden crafted the eventual straw that broke the camels back, 9/11/01. They failed in '93 right after the first Gulf War ended, and planned the successful attack patiently until its perfect execution.

So as too not rant on for ever, we may have failed in the 1980's and '90s to deal with this threat, but we sure as heck have no choice now but to succeed.

Failure is not an option, if we lose, we lose everything.

If the ‘spin-doctors’ would unite this country instead of dividing it all the time, we just might break even. Because “In My Honest Opinion” this cannot be won, it can only be lost.

(EDIT) A lot of US soldiers, sailors, airman and marines have died in this war, they died in their ships, barracks, planes and helicopters, and they died doing their assigned job of keeping a steady flow of Middle-East oil heading this direction. And not one president or congressmen did anything about it for twenty years.

Russ

[kbasa]

If the ‘spin-doctors’ would unite this country instead of dividing it all the time, we just might break even. Because “In My Honest Opinion” this cannot be won, it can only be lost.



In.

[Visian]

If the ‘spin-doctors’ would unite this country instead of dividing it all the time, we just might break even. Because “In My Honest Opinion” this cannot be won, it can only be lost.

Yes... well said.

However, what if "winning" meant that people could have a meeting of the minds on fundamental human freedoms? Like equal rights for women. Self-determination. Individual liberty?

That would be a victory, eh?

I also agree with woodnsteel... we're in a world war. And the war is over who gets to control individuals' lives... fundamentalists or the individuals themselves.

Ian

[eddie]

Ha, SFDOC who is this Bin Laden you speak of?

[lorazepam]

Check this out, Eddie Bin Laden (http://www.adl.org/terrorism_america/bin_l.asp)

[PUDGYPAINTGUY]

I don't mean to offenf with this although I could not stop laughing when I first saw it...enjoy and please...no offense meant.

[eddie]

Gale nice reading. I haven't forgotten. Just being sarcastic. Know what I mean?

[PacWestGS]

(EDIT) A lot of US soldiers, sailors, airman and marines have died in this war, they died in their ships, barracks, planes and helicopters, and they died doing their assigned job of keeping a steady flow of Middle-East oil heading this direction. And not one president or congressmen did anything about it for twenty years.

Russ

Now I've quoted myself too.

Has anybody seen "Jr's" address to the nation today (09/22/05). He's been in office for how long? We went to war in the middle-east for what reason?

Why didn't he just say this two years ago?



We may be bankrupt after this second hurricane but, I believe "WE" can recover and we will be better off someday. If we don't respond now (correctly) there may not be a future for 'our' children and grandchildren.

Guess I'm just optimistic, is all.