9/11 - Revisited

[TheSlashFiveTourer]

I guess most of us have seen Michael Moore's 'FAHRENHEIT 911' and the Republican rebuttal film 'FAHRENHYPE 911' at some point in the past two years. They've both been hyped or mightily-condemned here on The Forum so 'nuff 'bout them.

Has anyone seen the new DVD documentary (?) "911 - IN PLANE SITE " yet? It's billed as the answer to the 911 "government conspiracy" and I'm wondering if it's worth a look. Is there a Director's Cut of this epic?

[Gnome]

I haven't seen the DVD you are talking about but I have read a very interesting book by Peter Lance, "Cover Up".
"Cover Up", is an eye opener, as the author is an investigative reporter,and gives facts, not gray facts, but black and white facts that the government knew about the activity of Al Queda in New York city well before the towers fell.
Mr. Lance also gives proof that the TWA 747 flight 800 was absolutely blown from the sky by a "trigger bomb",(IED), placed over the center fuel tank.

I wish I could purchase a copy of this book for all of you out there.

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[CJM]

I haven't seen the DVD you are talking about but I have read a very interesting book by Peter Lance, "Cover Up".
"Cover Up", is an eye opener, as the author is an investigative reporter,and gives facts, not gray facts, but black and white facts that the government knew about the activity of Al Queda in New York city well before the towers fell.
Mr. Lance also gives proof that the TWA 747 flight 800 was absolutely blown from the sky by a "trigger bomb",(IED), placed over the center fuel tank.

I wish I could purchase a copy of this book for all of you out there.

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My brother-in-law flys for AA since they bought TWA. He knew the entire crew and was sitting in my den when the announcement was broadcast. We looked at each other and said "747's don't just fall from the sky". He and I both believe that an errant missle from Navy flight ops in the area did it. Since the Navy has NEVER admitted what happened to the USS Scorpion I have my doubts about them doing so on this. (assuming that 800 was thier mistake)
My father-in-law believes the NTB boards findings because he says he has seen things happen in his 35 year career at the Charleston Naval Shipyard that you would never believe could happen.
Personally I would hope for the missle theory due to the fact that it would be very unlikely for it to happen again. But the wiring theory scares hell out of me.
Truth is, we will never know for sure. But I do know what happened to the Scorpion. Read "Blind Man's Bluff" to find out.

[Gnome]

I can tell you as I'm sure you already know about the Scorpion that it didn't shoot itself. After it dropped of the sailors in Rota she went looking for the Ruskies. Thanks to Johnny Walker RED's spying for the REDs,the cripto transmissions to Scoprion were intercepted. Wammo, deep six at Davy Jones.

bubble bubble toil and trouble,

[CJM]

I can tell you as I'm sure you already know about the Scorpion that it didn't shoot itself. After it dropped of the sailors in Rota she went looking for the Ruskies. Thanks to Johnny Walker RED's spying for the REDs,the cripto transmissions to Scoprion were intercepted. Wammo, deep six at Davy Jones.

bubble bubble toil and trouble,

Internal explosion, forward torpedo room. My father-in-law was allowed to say that much 25 years ago. The book brings out the very real possibility that a TM "radioed" (meaning he didn't take the readeings..he did it remotely) the readings on the Mk4? torpedoes. They had a dry charged battery to power the Electronics. There was a .007 in. thick film that held the acid in a remote chamber. Upon launch, the film would break and the acid would flow into the battery turning on the homing/arming systems. Once on, the system can only be shut down by the fish turning 180 in a given time period. This is to prevent the fish from killing it's own sub. When one would get armed by mistake, they would swing the boat 180 and disarm it.

The problem was that the film would sometimes break due to the constant vibration on the boat. The electronics would heat-up and "cook-off" the fish if you let it. Part of the TM"s watch was to touch the fish at the point where you could feel heat should that happen.

When they found her, she was pointing EAST instead of WEST, the doors were blown open and she was broken in half just aft I believe of the sail. The press put-out a ludicrous story about the fish being armed and the crew attempting to launch it to keep it from detonating inside the boat. But it is supposed to have turned and hit the Scorpion. BULL-****. In the Greenville paper there was a picture that showed the doors open. Then "Blind Mans Bluff" came out and they hired Failure Anlysis to look at it. The above conclusion is theirs. I concure.

SubVet will know.

On the 35th anniversary in 2003, the Navy held services at D&S piers Norfolk for the Scorpion and crew. They would not tell the families the truth, even 35 years later. The families deserve better. The Navy knows it, but their biggest defect is that they will not admit a mistake. Look at the Iowa, they blamed an innocent sailor for that and if his family had not given-up, his name would have been forever tarnished.

I really need to shut-up now.

MTBATP

[Gnome]

That is awesome! Thanks for enlightening me,that really really is interesting. I too know first hand how the navy is fast to cover things up. I was on another Iowa Class Battleship. The U.S.S. Missouri BB-63. I rode her darn near around the world and in 1991 got to shoot the big 16" guns at the republican guard in Iraq. The Iraqis managed to get off a couple missiles that went right over the top of the deck of our ship. We launched chaff to disorient the rockets. A Brittish Ship,I believe the name was HMS Exeter was guarding us and managed to knock the missles out before they could lock back on us.
It was an interesting time.