Balanced News

[boofer]

Earlier this week the Fox station (local) reported a "five fold" increase in fines (Green Bay, Wi.) for loud vehicles. They mentioned exhaust systems in disrepair, excess volume in vehicle sound systems, and then the clincher, motorcycles.

So what do they focus on, a "sportbike" with an aftermarket muffler. Unreal, they didn't even mention the straight pipes crowd, and all they brag about nowadays is their "Balanced News". Obviously it must not take balls to have good balance.

Somehow I feel being in HD country that the police will more than likely have that same focus, but it probably won't apply to metric cruisers.

Tim

[username]

ummm, fox news, eh? errr, were you expecting some sort of quality newscast?

if you drink out of the toilet, are you surprised when the water isn't good?

[boofer]

You're correct, and I usually watch The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, however at that instant was sitting in front of the tube clipping my toenails while enjoying a TV dinner waiting for Springer reruns so's I could get some remodeling tips for my trailor.









NOT
Tim

[RT_guy]

ummm, fox news, eh? errr, were you expecting some sort of quality newscast?

God forbid. The only place to get balanced news is from Dan Rather.

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What's the frequency, Kenneth?

[Buzzez]

God forbid. The only place to get balanced news is from Dan Rather.

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What's the frequency, Kenneth?
I thought Dan Rather retired. :dunno

[Hodag]

must have been a slow Packer news day?

[CJM]

God forbid. The only place to get balanced news is from Dan Rather.

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What's the frequency, Kenneth?

We called CBS news "Rather Biased News" when I was in Charleston.

MTBATP

[Bob_M]

We called CBS news "Rather Biased News" when I was in Charleston.

MTBATP


Shoot (fire) the messenger. The right wing bias of current "news" casting has so vilified reporters who speak the truth that they must be eliminated. Now the latest on the Michael Jackson trial.... :brow

[username]

the only way to get balanced news is to get it yourself. listen to the networks a little. listen to the BBC. listen to fox every once in a while, just to get that right wing rail pegged. listen to NPR to get something that doesnt insult your intelligence and takes more than 20 seconds to explain. read a bunch of magazines, like the new republic, the weekly standard, the nation, businessweek, and the wall street journal. (you cant read all of them all of the time, unless youre a business traveler or youre retired, but have them handy, and scan them.) glance at the new york times to get some left-leaning bias. then sit down and THINK about all that you have read. notice which sources left out certain things. notice which ones seem to want you to form a certain opinion, and which ones seem to be content to tell you what occurred. after reflecting, and thinking, for an opinion.

google news is also good for presenting news sorted by story, not source. so you can read a left-wing biased article, then a right-wing biased article on the same topic in about five minutes, and then form your own opinion.

i do the above, and i form an opinion every week or so on things. (most people listen to a five minute newscast and form an opinion RIGHT THEN. whats the rush?) i try to ingest and digest as much information as possible, and also to get it from mostly radio and print. getting news on TV is too f-ing tedious, because for every minute of information, there are 8 minutes of weather coverage. and there is usually only a couple of minutes of actual news in that whole 30 minute broadcast, which is lame. folks, stop watching TV, and don't get your news there.

also, what i'm saying is, take your time. here is a fun thing to do. whatever news story breaks today, or this week, resolve not to form an opinion about it for 7 days. here is another fun thing to do, which i do often - try to form an opinion that goes against your natural knee-jerk reaction. if you are usually conservative/right-wing in your views, sense that, and try to fight it for just one news story a month. do it for kicks. and if youre liberal, the same applies. it is unlikely to change your views, but it will exercise your mind, and your thinking. it will change the way you view news and watch tv. it will engage your brain, and reinforce your alive-ness. it will give you interesting information, so that you can have an enlightened discussion with an "opponent" on a particular topic, instead of just shouting your opinion at them over and over. it'll make america a better place.

[Emoto]

Shoot (fire) the messenger. The right wing bias of current "news" casting has so vilified reporters who speak the truth that they must be eliminated. Now the latest on the Michael Jackson trial.... :brow

Rather is gone because he played fast and loose with the truth, not because he told it - he didn't. He was a cheerleader for the democrat party forever.

[BubbaZanetti]

and here i thought this was gonna be about that pipe between the exhaust headers! :)

the only way to get balanced news is to get it yourself. listen to the networks a little. listen to the BBC. listen to fox every once in a while, just to get that right wing rail pegged. listen to NPR to get something that doesnt insult your intelligence and takes more than 20 seconds to explain. read a bunch of magazines, like the new republic, the weekly standard, the nation, businessweek, and the wall street journal. (you cant read all of them all of the time, unless youre a business traveler or youre retired, but have them handy, and scan them.) glance at the new york times to get some left-leaning bias. then sit down and THINK about all that you have read. notice which sources left out certain things. notice which ones seem to want you to form a certain opinion, and which ones seem to be content to tell you what occurred. after reflecting, and thinking, for an opinion.

hats off to username, he's right, seek news wherever it can be found and COMPILE!!! bbc for its international coverage, npr for its depth, etc..........

[username]

and here i thought this was gonna be about that pipe between the exhaust headers! :)

or another carb stix vs. twinmax thread...

[lorazepam]

the only way to get balanced news is to get it yourself. listen to the networks a little. listen to the BBC. listen to fox every once in a while, just to get that right wing rail pegged. listen to NPR to get something that doesnt insult your intelligence and takes more than 20 seconds to explain. read a bunch of magazines, like the new republic, the weekly standard, the nation, businessweek, and the wall street journal. (you cant read all of them all of the time, unless youre a business traveler or youre retired, but have them handy, and scan them.) glance at the new york times to get some left-leaning bias. then sit down and THINK about all that you have read. notice which sources left out certain things. notice which ones seem to want you to form a certain opinion, and which ones seem to be content to tell you what occurred. after reflecting, and thinking, for an opinion.

google news is also good for presenting news sorted by story, not source. so you can read a left-wing biased article, then a right-wing biased article on the same topic in about five minutes, and then form your own opinion.

i do the above, and i form an opinion every week or so on things. (most people listen to a five minute newscast and form an opinion RIGHT THEN. whats the rush?) i try to ingest and digest as much information as possible, and also to get it from mostly radio and print. getting news on TV is too f-ing tedious, because for every minute of information, there are 8 minutes of weather coverage. and there is usually only a couple of minutes of actual news in that whole 30 minute broadcast, which is lame. folks, stop watching TV, and don't get your news there.

also, what i'm saying is, take your time. here is a fun thing to do. whatever news story breaks today, or this week, resolve not to form an opinion about it for 7 days. here is another fun thing to do, which i do often - try to form an opinion that goes against your natural knee-jerk reaction. if you are usually conservative/right-wing in your views, sense that, and try to fight it for just one news story a month. do it for kicks. and if youre liberal, the same applies. it is unlikely to change your views, but it will exercise your mind, and your thinking. it will change the way you view news and watch tv. it will engage your brain, and reinforce your alive-ness. it will give you interesting information, so that you can have an enlightened discussion with an "opponent" on a particular topic, instead of just shouting your opinion at them over and over. it'll make america a better place.

Is it ok to just make stuff up, and pull facts from one's rectum? It doesnt require as much effort. Once you do it for a while, you can make it seem as though you care and actually pay attention to what is going on in the world.

[username]

Is it ok to just make stuff up, and pull facts from one's rectum? It doesnt require as much effort. Once you do it for a while, you can make it seem as though you care and actually pay attention to what is going on in the world.

for you it's fine. for others, dangerous. ;)

[Bob_M]

Rather is gone because he played fast and loose with the truth, not because he told it - he didn't. He was a cheerleader for the democrat party forever.

The news story that forced Rather's retirement was based on interviews and an unverifiable document. The interviews were first hand accounts and remain valid and the story remains true. If you think that W did not join the guard to avoid Vietnam you must have mercury in the blood. The National Guard at that time was not front line commitment it is now, but it was still honorable if you showed up, which he did not.

The notion that the media is pimping the democratic line is hogwash. Where is the reporting on Tom Delay's money laundering scheme? Where is the media inquiry about a male prostitute gaining prolonged front row access to the White House press briefings? Where is the report on the status of Medicare? Why are Paula Abdul's antics more news worthy than the exit strategy in Iraq? Popular news programs are a tool of the Republican machine as demonstrated by the generous sponsorship of pundits like Armstrong Williams, and by the continued administration policy of creating news clippings for distrubution by the media. The administration benifits by having an ill-informed and ignorant electorate. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

[BradfordBenn]

Here is my question... why is Michael Jackson news? Yes it it disturbing what he has done, but really what I want to know about is the new R1200GS HP and what GPS has the entire planet on a compact flash card.

[username]

Why are Paula Abdul's antics more news worthy than the exit strategy in Iraq?

ooh! ooh! let me answer this one! because there *is* no exit strategy for iraq? thankfully, we now have an exit strategy for the bush administration: me chanting "three and a half more years" while tears stream down my face and i send good vibes to chief justice reinquist.

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chairman of the joint chiefs: uh, mr. president, now what?

W: let's see if we can [censored] up social security worse than we did iraq.

chairman: i have every confidence in you, sir.
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come on, ask me a tough one, you bleeding heart unpatriotic communist scum-sucking liberal! ;) :D

[boofer]

The administration benifits by having an ill-informed and ignorant electorate.







The dumming of America........caused primarly by those known as "breeders". People too ignorant to have a clue, with nothing else to do but repeatedly clone their welfare payments.

[jgr451]

:brow Boofer are you sure that your defintion of Breeders is comprehensive?
Because if not,you have just committed the Dumming which you so rightly noticed.

Surely there is more?
Or,as Jack Nicholson said to Tom Cruise,Danny, Tell me you have more ,than asking me about my underwear,when men's lives are at stake?

And Tom said,You ordered the Code Red ,didn't you?

[CJM]

Shoot (fire) the messenger. The right wing bias of current "news" casting has so vilified reporters who speak the truth that they must be eliminated. Now the latest on the Michael Jackson trial.... :brow

Sorry, but I remember the likes of Edward R. Morrow. Dan Rather is an admitted left winger who regularly appears at Demo. fund raisers and has also admitted giving large sums of money to them. He not only has been the messenger but if you know anything about how much power he had at CBS you would know that nothing got on the program without his ok. He was as we said the "HNIC". He wrote the message.
I shall now bow gracefully out of this one. You all know where I stand on this.


MTBATP

PROUD TO BE AN EX-DEMOCRAT

[boofer]

I don't have time to be comprehensive, I'm usually out riding! call me stupid ignorant, ay!

Stupid Ignorant

[Emoto]

The news story that forced Rather's retirement was based on interviews and an unverifiable document. The interviews were first hand accounts and remain valid and the story remains true. If you think that W did not join the guard to avoid Vietnam you must have mercury in the blood. The National Guard at that time was not front line commitment it is now, but it was still honorable if you showed up, which he did not.

The notion that the media is pimping the democratic line is hogwash. Where is the reporting on Tom Delay's money laundering scheme? Where is the media inquiry about a male prostitute gaining prolonged front row access to the White House press briefings? Where is the report on the status of Medicare? Why are Paula Abdul's antics more news worthy than the exit strategy in Iraq? Popular news programs are a tool of the Republican machine as demonstrated by the generous sponsorship of pundits like Armstrong Williams, and by the continued administration policy of creating news clippings for distrubution by the media. The administration benifits by having an ill-informed and ignorant electorate. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Hogwash. Rather ran with docs created on a modern computer obtained with the help of democratic political operatives that some of his own people even said not to trust. As this "document" was old news, the timing was designed to do political damage to the president's campaign. If that's what you call "true" then best of luck to you. The idea that the popular news shows are a tool of the republicans is so far beyond idiotic that I cannot believe I read it in this forum and not some looney left page. Just look at the biased coverage of the war, or how many people lost their jobs over the Rather fiasco to get a clue. But, it is the mantra of the far left to deny the media's liberal bias and stir up fear and hatred and when you repeat something long and loud enough, some poor folks are bound to believe it. I wish you the best, but if what you posted reflects your real opinion of what's going on, then there is nothing I can do for you.

[BradfordBenn]

So how about the Motorcycle stuff that started this thread? I think that there is something to be said for not biting the hand that feeds the local economy, so of course there is no mention of the HD crowd. And to be fair, HD is advertising with lots more people now a days. I believe that the advertising revenue can directly effect the stories covered and not covered....

[CJM]

So how about the Motorcycle stuff that started this thread? I think that there is something to be said for not biting the hand that feeds the local economy, so of course there is no mention of the HD crowd. And to be fair, HD is advertising with lots more people now a days. I believe that the advertising revenue can directly effect the stories covered and not covered....

How true, how true. I live in BMW land here in Greenville SC, and you don't dare say anything in the op-ed page about them that isn't complimentary.
But in H-D's defense they have come out it the latest issue of Enthusiest Magazine 100% aganist improperly/illegally modified exhausts on their bikes.
I published a letter to the local paper stating my opposition to bikes with exhaust systems that are too loud...called them imature egotists...of course now after riding them for 40 years I am an official outcast. Big deal, I'll still ride my quiet RT. Keep complaining and maybe the local police will enforce the exsisting laws.

MTBATP

[Bob_M]

and I'm not gonna be baited by differing opinions onto a swill of vitreol. My family have uncompromising republican opinions and yet we have good times and fine meals during the holidays.

Went to the Hells Canyon Rally over the weekend. Saw elk, turkey, a herd of about 60 deer, chukar and a big barn owl hunted right over the camp site at dusk. Had a lot of rain, a bit of snow and a fabulous camp site right on the Snake River. There was a bon-fire and some sipping whiskey that night. The road south from there, Hwy 3, is magnificent both as a ride, and as access to spectacular country. I enjoied the company at the rally, and if you think people in Idaho all share my opinions, think again. :thumb

[jdcoffman]

I still wonder if loud bikes scares away the wildlife along side the road?(the ones that are still alive) I realize as far as other motorist are concern generally only hear the loud bike as it passes them and points the megaphone at them.
Back to the side bar...the media is bias a really great book written by a former co-worker of "Rather Bias" and a guy that ain't even a republican The title of the book is "BIAS"by Bernard Goldberg..of course if you are a liberal you will think this guy has some evil right wing agenda, and if your a conservative you will think "at last someone admitted it."
Another interesting book is ARE YOU LIBERAL? CONSERVATIVE or CONFUSED by Richard J. Maybury Breifly some of what he gets into is Liberals want to control your money;
Conservatives want to control your morales:
Moderates want to control both.

[Bob_M]

I still wonder if loud bikes scares away the wildlife along side the road?(the ones that are still alive) I realize as far as other motorist are concern generally only hear the loud bike as it passes them and points the megaphone at them.

The way I have heard it is that the sound builds in such a gradual and consistant way that critters are not alerted until they see the source of the sound (noise). When I am in particularly deery countryside and approaching roadside cover I randomly tootle the horn. One time it did startle a deer away.

[Pat Carol]

Getting back to the loud pipe issue. I have always wondered why some people state that loud pipes save lives. Wrong ! loud pipes piss people off which in turn makes us all end up in the crosshairs.
My solution to getting other drivers attention is to ride naked. Now you can do this safely. Only wear the Bohn Body Armor and do not forget your full face helmet. Man if that doesn't get a persons attention then they must be dead.
I just had to get my 2 cents in.


Take Care & Ride Safe
Pat Carol :D

[James.A]

the loudest bikes can only be heard when they a right about in your blind spot. By then, they are in great peril. Loud pipes are marginally helpful, at best.