This Vs That Threads [Archive]

GlobalRider

03-12-2005, 06:01 PM

Little wonder I dropped so many forums with the amount of juvenile This vs That threads. Going to them I often wonder if I haven't stepped into a kindergarten classroom.

It is one thing to make qualitative and quantitative comparisons and discussing them, but the garbage I came across on a thread in another forum has me rolling on the floor.

Like this bike kicking the crap out of the other, performance-wise. As if in the real world it would make an ounce of difference.

Then there is the weight issue. My GS Adventure weighs some 100 pounds more than my R100 GS. Like so what. I can't remember noticing much of a difference when I'm riding. After all, its not like I'm throwing the thing under my arm and carrying it off to bed. LOL.

Comparing top speeds between a Busa and R1150 GS...can you believe.

I'm surprised these kids haven't dropped their pants and made other comparisons. I guess they couldn't find the magnifying glass. ;)

Rich

03-12-2005, 06:29 PM

but the garbage I came across on a thread in another forum has me rolling on the floor.

I hear you there, Alex. But the beauty of it all: You don't have to read the garbage. Most forums are a wealth of information. You just have to look for the info that interests you.

Some of the pissin matches get a little entertaining, but thanks to good moderators, the ones that get out of hand take a hike.

We are lucky we have a good thing going on here, and that is evident when you see some of the other stuff out there. :thumb

username

03-12-2005, 06:50 PM

wellllll, i dont know, in comparing this thread to some of the other threads, i'd have to say some of those are better. this one is a little better than some, but not most. YMMV.

:D

GlobalRider

03-12-2005, 07:06 PM

I hear you there, Alex. But the beauty of it all: You don't have to read the garbage. Most forums are a wealth of information. You just have to look for the info that interests you.

Some of the pissin matches get a little entertaining, but thanks to good moderators, the ones that get out of hand take a hike.

We are lucky we have a good thing going on here, and that is evident when you see some of the other stuff out there. :thumb

True enough Rich, but most would say that we are part of forums for intelligent, thought provoking discussions either to provide information, or obtain it.

But all you have to do is read some of the topic names and your eyes start to roll. Like how many fingers do you use to brake. Whatever I'm comfortable with.

There is a wealth of information, but you have to know enough to know what is valid and what is not.

Entertaining! You got that right. Like I said, I was on the floor rolling...well almost.

BTW, I wasn't referring to this forum. Far from it!

Hodag

03-12-2005, 07:57 PM

right now it seems to be alot of weather comparison's??

BubbaZanetti

03-12-2005, 08:03 PM

BobFV1

03-12-2005, 08:14 PM

Comparing top speeds between a Busa and R1150 GS...can you believe.

I'm surprised these kids haven't dropped their pants and made other comparisons. I guess they couldn't find the magnifying glass. ;)

Figurativey, that is exactly what they are doing....

James.A

03-12-2005, 11:53 PM

...make the monkey blind.

lorazepam

03-13-2005, 12:40 AM

Yeah but your bike sucks.

kbasa

03-13-2005, 12:41 AM

Yeah but your bike sucks.

Does not.

GlobalRider

03-13-2005, 09:18 AM

i like this fourm for exactly this reason, no obnoxious back and forth about how my S can chase down a GSXR in the corners or how removing my cat converter will gain me an extra .2 mph. to me, motorcycling has always been about much more than 0-60 or how far i can lean in a corner, a way of life, not a competetion...............

You got it, Bubba.

Most of those kids must buy their bikes solely based on the performance sheets at the front of each magazine; you know, the 1/4 mile times, 0 to 60 times, or by what won on the track last weekend, etc. But then, if all they are concerned with are running around in circles in town and heading to the local doughnut shop and racing to the next red light....well.

As for that cat converter or exhaust modification (by itself), other than a weight reduction, styling change and sound, 99% of the time they don't do anything to improve performance. My magazines have several dyno comparisons that prove that.

You hit the nail on the head. I often posted that for most of those kids, its the bike and not the riding that is at the top of their list. They bling and farkle their bikes out and when there is nothing left to buy (after spending thousands), they sell their bike and start all over again.

username

03-13-2005, 04:40 PM

i removed the rubber doo-hickeys that stick out off my foot pegs. this allows me to lean 0.45 degress further into turns and i can now totally frickin' drop anyone on a different bike than mine, which by simple fact of not being mine, suck. also, i put a thick coat of crisco on my system cases because when i ride, i've got so much mojo i lean so far over, and i worry about them scraping. i dont care about the marks - that'll just show punks how cool i am, but i grease em so that when they do scrape, there is less friction and i can go faster.

i also have special gloves with roller bearings on the palms, so when i go around turns, i can put my hand on the road, like my hero, apolo ohno.

http://leetonium.com/misc_images/Apolo%20Ohno%20Relay.jpg

most of my crashes have occured because my tires weren't warmed up, i think.

a friend of mine has anodized rims. i think he picked up a half foot pound on the dyno. im saving up from my pizza delivery job for the same mod to my bike.

GlobalRider

03-13-2005, 04:52 PM

i removed the rubber doo-hickeys that stick out off my foot pegs. this allows me to lean 0.45 degress further into turns and i can now totally frickin' drop anyone on a different bike than mine, which by simple fact of not being mine, suck.

Sorry but I've already worn the tips of the letters off the sides of my tires and I didn't even have to remove them doo-hickeys. I couldn't believe it myself. :stick

You're not that ZX-7 rider I was chasing down and passed on the Splügen Pass on my R65. :wave

BubbaZanetti

03-13-2005, 05:09 PM

But then, if all they are concerned with are running around in circles in town and heading to the local doughnut shop and racing to the next red light....well.

haha, these kids are EXACTLY the reason i fell in love with the airhead, they didn't even want to LOOK at me when i pulled in to the gas station, which, in my opinion was a blessing. if they start talking to me this year, i'm gonna tell them my S is a 350cc and that it tops out at 95 mph. i ride for myself, i ride to explore new places, its a zen thing, ya know...................
:laugh

this is freedom, 2 months on the road (even though the duc was done for that day!):

http://www.retr0.com/dkhirons/img_1070.jpg

lorazepam

03-13-2005, 05:31 PM

also, i put a thick coat of crisco on my system cases because when i ride, i've got so much mojo i lean so far over, and i worry about them scraping. i dont care about the marks - that'll just show punks how cool i am, but i grease em so that when they do scrape, there is less friction and i can go faster.

.

dude, that is why your bike is so freaking slow and sucks so bad. I spray mine with pam, it is way more areodynamic, and adds .082 hp. Next time I do a Linda Rhonstadt (blew by you) on your sucky butt, smell the fumes from the pam and know I am so much better than you and my bike rules!!

BradfordBenn

03-13-2005, 06:19 PM

Man, I can't believe how old skool and tired that is. I have started using helium in my tires to make them more buoyant then I also took all the foot pegs all together and put slider pucks on the system cases. But the peice d' resistance, I got an extra 0.0085 bhp by only riding east and west and having the boxer in line with the magnetic poles.

I now have a top speed of 317.89 mph but I only have done two miles this year.

username

03-13-2005, 06:24 PM

username

03-13-2005, 06:30 PM

You're not that ZX-7 rider I was chasing down and passed on the Splügen Pass on my R65. :wave

no, i was the guy on the tricked out vespa who dropped you at that light. it was red, and you sat their like a typical bmw rider, all busy "obeying" the "laws" and i did a wicked crank on my wrist and totally dropped you. you were probably checking your mirros to see if you'd be rear-ended, and while you were getting all hung up on safety, you were gettin' hung out to dry doooood!

i had surgery to remove two of the tendons in my wrist, and i also modified my throttle. i can rotate it 540 degrees now without loosening my grip, and i that puts my peak hp (at the wheel, i freakin dyno'ed it, beee-yatch!) at a number much above my IQ. if you and i met someplace, you wouldnt recognize me from the front, cuz i'm always in front of you.

i also have intercoolers on the footpegs because they were glowing red hot and melting into my running sneakers.

username

03-13-2005, 06:32 PM

You're not that ZX-7 rider I was chasing down and passed on the Splügen Pass on my R65. :wave

no, i was the guy on the tricked out vespa who dropped you at that light. it was red, and you sat their like a typical bmw rider, all busy "obeying" the "laws" and i did a wicked crank on my wrist and totally dropped you. you were probably checking your mirrors to see if you'd be rear-ended, and while you were getting all hung up on safety, you were gettin' hung out to dry doooood!

i had surgery to remove two of the tendons in my wrist, and i also modified my throttle. i can rotate it 540 degrees now without loosening my grip, and i that puts my peak hp (at the wheel, i freakin dyno'ed it, beee-yatch!) at a number much above my IQ. if you and i met someplace, you wouldnt recognize me from the front, cuz i'm always in front of you.

i also have intercoolers on the footpegs because they were glowing red hot and melting into my running sneakers.

lorazepam

03-13-2005, 06:34 PM

[cough] loser [cough]

i've got the pam hooked up to spray directly into the air intake. it blows nitrous away! i've added 5,000 hp this way.

you just think you blew by me. i was facing backwards and riding the bike that way, doing a stoppie, and i passed you.

:D

Did you fart, or are we standing next to your bike? That skanky rat bike couldnt do a stoppie if it hit a brick wall. I got the idea to use the pam after that rich running snail slowin' down thing puked on me as I blew you into the weeds. Your mom can run faster than that bike.

GlobalRider

03-13-2005, 07:18 PM

no, i was the guy on the tricked out vespa who dropped you at that light.

You're a legend in your own mind. :nyah

username

03-13-2005, 10:12 PM

Did you fart, or are we standing next to your bike?

i didn't realize that they were mutually exclusive...

and dude, if you were standing next to *my* bike, you would experience sensory overload because it is so frickin' AWESOME. you wouldnt be smelling farts, you'd be smelling flowers - like a person who is on the brink of death! fortunately i keep a spoon in my tank bag for just such an occasion as when you go enviously catatonic and your tongue rolls back into your throat, and i would revive you. when you woke up, there'd be no sign of me except for the quarter-mile stripe of rubber i laid down peeling out of there!

if we were standing next to *your* bike, i'd be all, "hey man that's a nice bike... for *you!*" and you'd be all, "why you gotta front?" and i'd be all, "i ain't frontin', you're doing the best you can with what god gave you, and ain't nothing wrong with that, aight?" and you'd be all, "don't make me whip out my cooking spray of death and pam your ass!" and i'd be all, "bring it on, i got a spatula named dracula that's gonna take you to the underworld!" we would then duel with kitchen items in a dark parking lot lit only by a single overhead light. other forum members would circle around.

Your mom can run faster than that bike.

that is a totally unfair comparison, since my mom is lindsey wagner. [makes "eh-eh-eh-ow-ow-ow" bionic sound as he types.]

:D ;)

lorazepam

03-13-2005, 10:48 PM

there'd be no sign of me except for the quarter-mile stripe of rubber i laid down peeling out of there!;)

Dood, you need to lube those training wheels, one of them isnt spinning.

that is a totally unfair comparison, since my mom is lindsey wagner. [makes "eh-eh-eh-ow-ow-ow" bionic sound as he types.]

:D ;)
Your mom makes cookies and sells beds to old farts. Bet she has a rascal scooter too. Prolly outrun your bike with a weak battery :stick

Cliffy777

03-14-2005, 06:04 AM

okay fellahs, i think it is time for a level headed adult to step in here and put an end to this pissing contest.......anybody know one?

BobFV1

03-14-2005, 06:40 AM

okay fellahs, i think it is time for a level headed adult to step in here and put an end to this pissing contest.......anybody know one?

I can p*ss further than you!

James.A

03-14-2005, 07:34 AM

Wouldn't stop it if I could.

BubbaZanetti

03-14-2005, 07:37 AM

this thread = awsome

username

03-14-2005, 09:28 AM

Dood, you need to lube those training wheels, one of them isnt spinning.

Your mom makes cookies and sells beds to old farts. Bet she has a rascal scooter too. Prolly outrun your bike with a weak battery :stick

i declare myself a 3rd-level paladin and cast "heal mount." my motorcycle is instantly better than yours.

a wizard appears and casts "hypnotic pattern." you are frozen in place as a mere barbarian-class character. it fascinates you.

i roll an eleven and do a tire-smoking wheelie as the first of many drops of your saliva drip from your slack-jawed face.

you awake, not sure what happened, with a sneaking suspicion that you owe my mother money.

:D

rocketman

03-14-2005, 11:25 AM

how removing my cat converter will gain .............

Cat Converter!!?? Good Grief why would anyone want something like that!?? If you don't like Cats, get a dog and be done with it! :D :D

Some people!

RM

Hodag

03-14-2005, 12:22 PM

I can walk faster than all your bikes.

GregFeeler

03-14-2005, 02:59 PM

dude, that is why your bike is so freaking slow and sucks so bad. I spray mine with pam, it is way more areodynamic, and adds .082 hp. Next time I do a Linda Rhonstadt (blew by you) on your sucky butt, smell the fumes from the pam and know I am so much better than you and my bike rules!!

I'm so surprized - I figured you guys would know about the REAL peformance secret: Factory Air!! You can't go fast around the corners if your tires don't stick, and they won't stick as well with generic "free" air as they do with OEM Factory Air. The real stuff improves the resonant frequency of your tire's harmonics and provides greatly improved internal dampening, which in turn keeps the tires from bouncing themselves OFF the road, losing traction.

I just happen to have a few extra cases of BMW Factor Air (p/n# 167-24-24-1-234) if anyone is interested.

lorazepam

03-14-2005, 03:06 PM

I have been using Ducati air for a couple years now. I found it is compatable with my tires, and it doesnt cost as much as the BMW stuff. Works better on the straits man, you and those BMW tire fumes are like so slow. Prolly put that stuff in one of those overblown dirt bikes too.

Cliffy777

03-14-2005, 03:06 PM

greg - i've read about that factory air. whoooooa, didn't think we could get it in the states. so, how much do you want for a couple cans? will ya take a bad check? or maybe a bad czech?

bubba - the reason we convert cats is simple. we want them to go to heaven like all the dogs.

Cliffy777

03-14-2005, 03:14 PM

[QUOTE=lorazepam]I have been using Ducati air for a couple years now. I found it is compatable with my tires, and it doesnt cost as much as the BMW stuff. QUOTE]
sheeee-it, i wouldn't put ducati air in a converted cat. i would rather ride on the rims than fill my tyres with ducati air. no wonder username smokes you in the corners.
okay - check this out. warm air rises (you want your tires to rise off the pavement???) cold air sinks low TO THE PAVEMENT. italy is warm and hence produces WARM AIR. german air is colder - keeps the rubber on the road. why do you think greg pointed it out in the feature/benefit portion of his sales pitch?
man, i thought you were on top of stuff, loraz.....ducati air - why do you think it was cheaper? du-oh! bleed that air out now..probably ought to just get new tyres at the beemer dealership and have them filled with german air right from the git-go. man, i never........

GregFeeler

03-14-2005, 03:46 PM

sheeee-it, i wouldn't put ducati air in a converted cat. i would rather ride on the rims than fill my tyres with ducati air. no wonder username smokes you in the corners.
...german air is colder - keeps the rubber on the road. why do you think greg pointed it out in the feature/benefit portion of his sales pitch?
man, i thought you were on top of stuff, loraz.....ducati air - why do you think it was cheaper? du-oh! bleed that air out now..probably ought to just get new tyres at the beemer dealership and have them filled with german air right from the git-go. man, i never........

Exactly!! Besides, the Germans did a LOT of research on this air thing when working on wonder weapons during WWII. Everyone knows almost all scientific progress since then is due to secret Nazi research, but I digress.

I'll tell you how much I belive in Factory Air - I'm still using the original inner tubes on my 1972 R75/5 that came with Factory Air!!! Most people have no idea that the real problem with tubeless tires is you lose all the good air everytime you change them!! How stupid is that?

I'll bring my supply of BMW air to Lima and, since most of you here can appreciate their real value, will trade at the rate of one beer per can. :drink

lorazepam

03-14-2005, 04:08 PM

your bike still sucks

GregFeeler

03-14-2005, 04:23 PM

your bike still sucks

I get that a lot, but yet another common mistake. Actually, I've installed a Gravitional Field Enhancement Device (GFED) which actually "sucks" the bike down for better traction at speed. Got it wired into both the speedo and ABS for auto-adjustment. Works GREAT in the snow! :thumb

bigfoot105

03-15-2005, 02:39 AM

Greg,

That (GFED) sounds like the aftermarket add on that I've been looking for. Did you design and build it yourself or did you commission it to be made by and outside source? Where can I get one?

I'm thinking that your GFED with the addition of my vortec generators/winglets on the end of my handlebars would pretty much complete the handling and fuel efficiency package that my GS needs. The best thing about the VGs is that they don't deploy until you shift into 4th gear....after that....Hold On!!! Cause....Your a$$ is gone!!

That low end drag will kill you of the line but, with these add ons, I can see low 5s through the 1/4 mile :D

If anybody else has any handling and fuel economy ideas lets hear them :wave

James.A

03-15-2005, 05:01 AM

Butt i'd rather not say. Trade secrets, proprietary information, etc.

GregFeeler

03-15-2005, 11:10 AM

Greg,

That (GFED) sounds like the aftermarket add on that I've been looking for. Did you design and build it yourself or did you commission it to be made by and outside source? Where can I get one?

AFAIK mine is the only one. Made it from parts scavenged from a wrecked UFO. Every once in a while one screws the pooch in the desert. They aren't all the hotshoes they think they are. I'll keep my eyes open and make you a GFED if I find another field modulator. Oh - and don't tell anyone about this - especiall the government!! :eek

lorazepam

03-15-2005, 01:35 PM

okay - check this out. warm air rises (you want your tires to rise off the pavement???) cold air sinks low TO THE PAVEMENT. italy is warm and hence produces WARM AIR. german air is colder - keeps the rubber on the road. why do you think greg pointed it out in the feature/benefit portion of his sales pitch?
......

Didnt you learn about geography in skool Cliffy? Ducati's (and the air) are manufactured in the north of Italy, where it is just a cool as Germany. The air actually comes from a pure pocket of mountain spring air, which is free of contminants, and has a constant temperature of 52 degrees.
They ship it in refrigerated containers, (BMW does not) so it is actually colder, and denser than that stinky German air.

I am beginning to think you may have smacked your noggin during that slush incident, and wonder if you will ever recover. How many fingers ame I holding up? :rocker

boofer

03-15-2005, 01:39 PM

4nak8 wheelies, and burnouts! What we want is distance, and the perfect way to accomplish that is by drafting a semi. I always get 600+ MPG. by hitching up to a big rig two or three feet behind them. If you want to sightsee pick ones with polished stainless doors on the trailers, watch where you've been.

Let the big boys worry about radar detectors, just sit back and enjoy. No bugs, the sun won’t bother you, buffeting is at a minimum, and you will never get lost. Just ask where the hell you are when the driver stops.

I have been doing this for over 25 yrs. and have only been killed six or seven times! Killed by retreads in 1982, twice in 1994, and again last year. Once in 1989, in heavy fog , we got rear ended by a dump truck (again I was killed) and then there were the various times I forgot to stop ( yep….killed) but I don’t let that bother me.

As I’m getting older and lazier I’m working on an electromagnet with a rope to tie around my neck, to keep my slipstream distance correct. Of course, in the honored BMW tradition, it will have multitudes of relays, and be properly fused for safety

Cliffy777

03-15-2005, 04:13 PM

I am beginning to think you may have smacked your noggin during that slush incident, and wonder if you will ever recover. How many fingers ame I holding up? :rocker

yes.

and to boofer. most excellent plan. so, ya gonna put on a drafting seminar at the national? or in escanaba? or at the solstice ride?

manicmechanic

03-15-2005, 05:28 PM

Drafting implies that a) you're slow enough to allow them to catch up, or b) they're fast enough to catch up.

So, which is it?

username

03-15-2005, 06:29 PM

Drafting implies that a) you're slow enough to allow them to catch up, or b) they're fast enough to catch up.

So, which is it?

hey let's not let this thread devolve into political mudslinging. there will be no draft, we're keeping out volunteer army.

bigfoot105

03-15-2005, 09:01 PM

The last time I tried drafting on my bike, my paper kept flying off at 30 MPH. So I tried installing a larger fairing and using smaller paper but to no avail. I finally ended up installing a CADD program that is hard wired into my onboard electronics system. It seems to have eliminated the paper blowing problem but now my mouse pad flutters at about 85 MPH. :dunno Any Ideas?

BradfordBenn

03-15-2005, 09:14 PM

Get a tablet PC and draft right on the screen. It is pretty cool, realy.

boofer

03-15-2005, 09:31 PM

Mouse problems no problem

Cliffy777

03-16-2005, 06:11 AM

that is a pretty cool mousetrap. mine is a lot faster on account of it is made of titanium and carbon fiber, plus i have this little turbo-like device on the spring part which cuts .000245 ms off the snap time. the better mousetrap is all about torque - cuz mouse killing happens off the line baby, not in the long haul.

boofer

03-16-2005, 06:44 AM

Shine on you crazy diamond! These OLD traps are simplistic and elegant in design.....easyer to repair in the field. Sure, the brakes aren't all that, but you can trap all day and they beg for more. No self respecting mouse on the "bad" side would be caught dead in titanium.

bigfoot105

03-16-2005, 12:49 PM

In keeping with the original meaning of this thread it appears that we are now discussing the use of a "Better Mousetrap" I would like to mention my concept design.

It is the "TIVACS" Thermal Imaging Vacuum Catapult System. The concept works like this; You set up the TIVACS in a known migratory mouse route. As the rodents cross through the thermal imaging pane, the detector senses heat, that initiates the vacuum to power up, thus sucking the rodent into the catapult chamber or "Mousapult" as I call it. Once inside the chamber, the vacuum continues to pressurize the chamber until a preset popoff valve initiates a rapid pressure release sending the critter into a dischage chamber or barrel. Then out of the general locality. I try to aim the barrel towards my neighbor's yard where their cat finishes the extermination process. :thumb

Its sanitary, safe and enviromentally friendly....unless your the mouse.

Note: Squirrels are a major problem. They plug up the discharge chamber....

Cliffy777

03-16-2005, 01:42 PM

bigfoot you are a buh-genius. great concept. do you have a chrome version or is it strickly euro-black which choo?

DLilah

03-16-2005, 02:08 PM

It is the "TIVACS" Thermal Imaging Vacuum Catapult System. The concept works like this; You set up the TIVACS in a known migratory mouse route. As the rodents cross through the thermal imaging pane, the detector senses heat, that initiates the vacuum to power up, thus sucking the rodent into the catapult chamber or "Mousapult" as I call it. Once inside the chamber, the vacuum continues to pressurize the chamber until a preset popoff valve initiates a rapid pressure release sending the critter into a dischage chamber or barrel. Then out of the general locality. I try to aim the barrel towards my neighbor's yard where their cat finishes the extermination process. :thumb

I'd like to order one, please. Is shipping included? Or can you just catapult one right to me? I think with some practice, I might be able to "mousapult" right into my dog's mouth. She loves treats!

bigfoot105

03-16-2005, 05:23 PM

Right now, most of my energy and focus is being put into rifling the exit chamber or barrel. By design, one can discharge a mouse further if it is spinning in a tight spiral rather than tumbling in the end over end position.

My problem is; the body of the projectile (mouse) spins at a higher velocity than the head of the mouse because of the body contact to the rifling (mousiling) of the inside of the barrel. The head being smaller does not contact the rifling, resulting in less torque. This variation in torque causes severe discomfort to the mouse. :D

Example: Hold you head still. Then run around in circles without moving your head. Eventually your head has to spin but not before you experience severe neck pain.

Cliffy, as far as the color I'm leaning on a Swiss Cheese color design. I'm afraid the chrome would cause the mouse to see his reflection and take up a defensive posture and therefore be made cautious to the trap.

D'Lilah, I'm not taking orders yet be I will let you know before it goes to market.

Anybody else????

BradfordBenn

03-16-2005, 06:31 PM

Do you make one that is boss sized? He is a rat! :stick :brow

bigfoot105

03-16-2005, 07:12 PM

It may take awhile but, I can come up with something. Finding a vacuum pump large enough to pull a full grown man into the pressure chamber may cause a problem. They're out there but spendy $$$.

As with my boss, his head would be the source of the plugging problem as mention earlier with the squirrels.

But hey, given enough time I can figure that out too. :thumb

bigfoot105

03-16-2005, 07:17 PM

I don't think I will need the Thermal Imiging Pane for the bait....I'll just attach a $1.00 dollar bill to the trigger switch that turns on the vacuum pump.

That's a no resist bait for sure. :thumb

Shoot....I'm saving money already!! :clap

username

03-17-2005, 10:46 AM

bigfoot - i've found that having the rodent wear a helmet serves a dual purpose - it appeases the protesters from PETA and it also evens the weight distribution. try experimenting with differently shaped helmets as well - it can help with the aerodynamic forces.