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Burnszilla

01-03-2005, 09:26 PM

At least on your motorcycle...

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/copmotor.html

:doh

YB in IN

01-03-2005, 11:34 PM

That had to smart. What an idiot.

jgr451

01-04-2005, 12:14 AM

Holy boy!There's a big oweee.

Cliffy777

01-04-2005, 06:26 AM

a pat on the back to the spanish police on that one. bet the guy won't be planning or executing any more robberies soon.

riderR1150GSAdv

01-04-2005, 08:08 AM

Two thumb's up for the Spanish police! :thumb :thumb
Better than Hollywood!! I gues that idiot won't be riding a bike anytime soon :evil :evil :rofl

dancogan

01-04-2005, 09:01 AM

Let's see now. The hostage had been released, the bandit is making his getaway, and the police basically attempt to execute him in the middle of the street. Doesn't anybody else think this was maybe just a bit of excess? (Oh boy, I can hear it now.) :fight

BklynPete

01-04-2005, 09:27 AM

Let's see now. The hostage had been released, the bandit is making his getaway, and the police basically attempt to execute him in the middle of the street. Doesn't anything else think this was maybe just a bit of excess? (Oh boy, I can hear it now.) :fight

the only issue i have with what happened is that they ruined a perfectly good motorcycle. :thumb i'm sorry, i feel anyone dumb or brazen enough to threaten the life of another human being (holding someone hostage) deserves eveything he or she gets. here in the states if that happened, he would sue and get a big settlement to boot, is that right?

pete

SheRidesABeemer

01-04-2005, 11:26 AM

But what kind of bikes are those? :dunno

JetDoc

01-04-2005, 11:49 AM

the only issue i have with what happened is that they ruined a perfectly good motorcycle. :thumb i'm sorry, i feel anyone dumb or brazen enough to threaten the life of another human being (holding someone hostage) deserves eveything he or she gets. here in the states if that happened, he would sue and get a big settlement to boot, is that right?

pete

All I can say is "DAMN!"

I think the guy got what he deserved, but unfortunately, Pete is right. If it happened here in the States, the bad guy would be an instant millionaire, and the cops would all be in jail.

Hey... at least they gave him a helmet! :thumb

BMWBeauty

01-04-2005, 05:35 PM

To The Spanish Police :thumb ...As For The Idiot On The Motorcycle...He Got What He Deserved....And What A Waste Of A Perfectly Good Motorcycle....

JetDoc

01-04-2005, 05:41 PM

A++ for originality.
A for execution.
F for giving him a helmet...

Mike

Mike, you owe me a keyboard! :twirl

BradfordBenn

01-04-2005, 07:51 PM

I figured they would have just put a little gas in the tank or something like that, but hey if the guy was dumb enough to think he would get away....

What a waste of a motorcycle.

Fritzc

01-04-2005, 08:30 PM

riderR1150GSAdv

01-04-2005, 08:41 PM

Now now!!! no :fight kids!! :laugh :laugh . At least we can agree on the fact that a perfectly good bike was completely wasted on that moron :cry .

username

01-05-2005, 10:16 AM

Sure! Let him go rather than hurt him, THEN HE CAN TRY IT AGAIN!!

fRITZ

i have to agree with fritz here. i see no usefulness to an orderly justice system, i think it is better for police officers to mete out physical punishment, possibly life-threatening, as they see fit. the whole notion of separation of powers and any distinction between an executive branch and a judicial branch is an anachronism. it was a fad. it's over. just look at the word "executive." one, executives are better than regular people. two, the root word is execute, and this is exactly what the cops tried to do to this fellow. sounds like they were just doing their jobs to me. you guys are quick to condemn these police officers without hearing their side of the story.

and think of the time we could save if we got rid of all the lawyers and judges, and police could just physically abuse suspects - who are only *technically* innocent until proven guilty, when we know they are all evil and guilty - on the spot.

you liberals are going to ruin everything this country is based on.

;)

Fritzc

01-05-2005, 11:47 AM

i have to agree with fritz here. i see no usefulness to an orderly justice system, i think it is better for police officers to mete out physical punishment, possibly life-threatening, as they see fit. the whole
and think of the time we could save if we got rid of all the lawyers and judges, and police could just physically abuse suspects - who are only *technically* innocent until proven guilty, when we know they are all evil and guilty - on the spot.

you liberals are going to ruin everything this country is based on.
;)

I suspect an attempt at irony here! Not sure, as I consider myself a Liberal!
In the afore mentioned story it was the Bank Robber who decided robbing banks was a legitimate career choice and any one trying to stop him was endangering his free choice so the robber is entitled to kill, maim or threaten harm to many people? A Policeman's job is to enforce the law and defend the law abiding citizens against harm and losss of their property. This guy was a potential killer and if he escaped he was prone to do the same thing again.
The police were obligated to try to stop this guy. I have seen many similar scenes on "Police Videos" where after the horrific collision the driver jumps up and runs off. I don't remember the fate of the bank robber, was he killed? He was wearing a helmet! LOL
I don't recall condoning police officers prowling the streets looking for criminals to execute on the spot but criminals that go around sticking their heads into the mouth of a lion shoud be prepared to lose their head.

username

01-05-2005, 11:52 AM

never mind, i dont agree with fritz. he backed off his earlier statements.

JetDoc

01-05-2005, 03:53 PM

OK, let's back up and look at the facts as presented in the video clip.

1. The bad guy had attempted to rob a bank, allegedly using a hand grenade as a weapon, and had taken hostages.

2. By giving the suspect a motorcycle, the cops effected the release of the hostages and removed the immediate threat of harm to several innocent people. They further reduced the threat to others, as it would be quite difficult for the suspect to operate a hand grenade while riding the motorcycle.

3. The suspect could have ceased his attempts to escape and surrendered to police at any time prior to his capture, and would not have been injured. It is quite obvious that he declined to do this.

4. By using the admidedly somewhat extreme method of subduing and capturing the suspect, the police effected the capture of an armed and dangerous felon with minimal risk to themselves and to the public in general.

Sounds to me like good police work, or would you prefer that the suspect had been cornered by armed police and used his hand grenade in a crowd of innocent bystanders?

username

01-05-2005, 04:24 PM

OK, let's back up and look at the facts as presented in the video clip.

[snip]

Sounds to me like good police work, or would you prefer that the suspect had been cornered by armed police and used his hand grenade in a crowd of innocent bystanders?

fascinating reasoning skills.

in my mind, the justification for the use of deadly force ceases when the *imminent* threat of harm to others is eliminated. if you argue that it is justified at some later time, because he allegedly robbed a bank with an alleged hand grenade, then i must ask, how much later?

i'd have preferred it if:

1. they had a tracking device on the bike and just followed him.

this has risk because he might ditch the bike. but if youre dumb enough to rob a bank with a hand grenade and take hostages, youre probably not smart enough to ditch the bike and steal a different car. this guy doesnt sound like jason bourne to me.

2. they put almost no gas in it, and he ran out in 3 miles.

this has risk because he might just walk into another store with the grenade.

3. they had a copter up, and followed him.

this has risk because the copter might lose him, or he may have negotiated that no helicopters be in the air.

4. a combination of the above.

now none of us were there, so whether we condone or condemn, we're wrong, and lack sufficient knowledge to be right. so to speak with authority about any of this, pro or con, is not a good idea. all im saying is that i am not a fan of deadly force in these kinds of situations. i might change my mind if im in the bank and some fool pulls a grenade out and wants to rob the place. to avoid this, i'll continue to use ATMs. :D

username

01-05-2005, 07:01 PM

Some of your suggestions have merit. But please consider that small tracking devices, one that you could conceal on a bike, are not that readily available. Hostage takers don't have a lot of patience.

If the criminal realizes that he's being tricked, and don't forget he's still in possession of the grenade, he can take another hostage and this time he's real pissed...

speculation, so i can't validly argue. i'd think that a tactical police unit would have extraordinary resources at its disposal and plans in place for dealing with common problems. i'd think, 'bank robber' is common. i'd also think that 'bank robber with hostages that wants to negotiate transportation' would also be common. it'd be nice if a less injurious method were available. maybe im not vindictive enough, and if that's the case, i apologize.

Unorthodox police method? Maybe. But it was effective. No innocent people were injured or killed. Don't forget that in both our countries, this individual would have been shot dead by a tactical sniper.

Mike

that's why i worded what i said carefully - a guy standing inside a bank, taking hostages, purportedly holding a grenade? grease him. but after the imminent threat of him harming someone is decreased? deadly force should not be necessary. again, none of us were there, so we're all monday morning quarterbacking, whether we agree or disagree with what happened, and as such, dont really know what we are talking about.

i guess i dont like seeing people excessivley harmed, whether they "deserve it" or not. and i realize that i dont know how injured the guy was. for all i know he had a couple of minor broken bones, something the guys at advrider would scoff at, and he is fine, and in custody. it's a dramatic video though.

are people innocent until proven guilty in spain? and do they have laws against cruel and unusual punishment, and should the punishment fit the crime?

jgr451

01-05-2005, 07:55 PM

Aww c,mon Username.

At least we can still hang cattle rustlers and horse thieves when we catch them,can't we???

:type

username

01-05-2005, 09:11 PM

Aww c,mon Username.

At least we can still hang cattle rustlers and horse thieves when we catch them,can't we???

:type

sure, but i recommend shootin' 'em, THEN hangin' 'em. that's how we do it. wait...maybe we stab them, then shoot them. crap, i can't remember, i'll need to look it up in my "how to be a texan" booklet i got when i moved here. im still adjusting to the fact that i can shoot trespassers, which is a really nice perk, in addition to no state income taxes.

why do people still rob banks, anyway? i think that's the real story, what a stupid crime to commit.

maybe that guy was going to donate the money anonymously to the tsunami vicitms? :D

BradfordBenn

01-05-2005, 09:16 PM

sure, but i recommend shootin' 'em, THEN hangin' 'em.

Actually I think that in order to avoid a mess the Texas plan is to only hang 'em.

Fritzc

01-05-2005, 10:10 PM

Texas Justice? I used to think they were tough in that state. They have a Matt Dillon complex. They tell criminals to get out of town by sundown.
My EX-son-in-law was arrested for Sexual Battery in Texas and at the time he was wanted in three other states. He was released on bail and hasn't been seen since and Texas doesn't care just as long as he isn't in Texas. Louisana (assault with a deadly weapon) would not extradite him because it was too expensive. New Jersey (assault and robbery) didn't care except for a private eye working for a bail bondsman, New York didn't care even though he was wanted there for Assault & battery. Right now, no one knows where he is. :dunno

username

01-06-2005, 09:46 AM

Actually I think that in order to avoid a mess the Texas plan is to only hang 'em.

i can get a license plate that says "texas" across the top, then "hang em if you got em" along the bottom.

:twirl

JetDoc

01-06-2005, 12:25 PM

why do people still rob banks, anyway? :D

Because that's still where they keep all the money! :dunno

jgr451

01-07-2005, 12:08 AM

BobFV1

01-16-2005, 05:00 PM

The police have to exercise their duties in accordance with the law, or else there is no rule of law. If this happenned in the USA and was documented in the manner in which we see it documented in the clip, it would be interesting to see the legal arguments about whether or not the actions of the police were lawful.

I think you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the police on the street as a starting point. Was the intent of the 'collision vehicle" to kill a fleeing felon? hard to say. Did the fleeing felon pose risks to others? Good question. Can't argue with the result - one violent criminal off the street. It's up to the legal system to decide if, in the process, the actions of the collision car driver and those he was taking orders from were legal. Glad there are cops willing to pt it all on the line at street evel, without seeking advice of legal counsel before each and every move. Bob