Grateful Thread

[BobFV1]

Okay everybody - this thread grew out of a thread called "Music" over in the main forum. It seems that there are more than a few Dead Heads (Grateful Dead afficianados) in our ranks. If you could do the "vulcan mind meld" on a Dead Head, you would get a bunch of set lists, favorite concerts, and other GD trivia and info. The same mind meld on an MOA member would probably result in K bike versus R bike, what's wrong with Harley riders, and which cool new piece of Wunderlich gear to rob the cookie jar for.

So post away on your favorite topics which put the Dead and the Beamer in the same thought. Here's mine: If The Dead play Red Rocks this summer like they did last summer, is anyone up for a BMW mini-rally/ride in to the concert? I think that would be a great way to combine two of our favorite pasttimes.

[GeoffMiller]

I'm sorry. No Jerry Garcia, no Greatful Dead.........

[GeoffMiller]

Ridin' that train.................................

[Emoto]

I always ride to the shows at this one outdoor venue in my area (Tweeter Center, aka Great Woods). They let the bikes pull up and park on the edge of the lane for limos and handicapped and it is a straight shot in and out of the place. No hassle of waiting to get from the back 40 after the show.

I do miss Jerry. "The Dead" has it's moments when Phil and Warren are "on" but the magic isn't really there anymore. I will still go because all the other bands out there are even less interesting...

[snoone]

I try to make a point of always riding to the shows either at PNC center, Jones Beach, Tweeter or Saratoga. Makes sense just for the parking.. I saw 4 or 5 shows last summer and had a great time. Same vibe as always. Unfortunately Jerry can't come anymore however Warren adds to the music in amazing ways as well. There are always those special moments during a show and I'm glad I can still go and see the music I've always loved.

Lets try and keep this thread alive and without a doubt get a copy of the Grateful Dead Movie and view it in surround.

[BobFV1]

I didn't ride to the show this past June in Phoenix, because 1) I drink like a fish at these things (they had Sierra Nevada on tap!) and my wife can't be the designated driver on the bike and 2) I worry about three or four stinky outlaw motorcycle gang members throwing my beakster in to the back of a pickup and driving away. I really like the new stuff the Dead have done this past summer. Warren's singing is great and there were so many great new covers - Like a Rolling Stone, Eight Miles High, Madman Across The Water. The boys have changed with the times and keep on rocking.

[BobFV1]

I'm sorry. No Jerry Garcia, no Greatful Dead.........

Jeff - some of us can't let go - and the new stuff is really pretty darn good - even though it takes two or three guys to try to compensate, musically, for Jerry

[snoone]

the 2 or 3 guys comment cracked me up but couldnt be more true.

[paulsibek]

There we were at the hartford Speedway on a hot day and a half tab. The Dead played their typical hours and hours before the break and while they were off doing whatever they do during break, more equipment was being setup on stage.

Lots more equipment...

Two more sets of drums, another organ, guitars, everything. What was happening we wondered?????

Remember this was a magical time with experimental music, experimental social "things", everything goes.

Well everthing did go, really.

After the break, Bob Weir introduced their new friends the ALLMAN Bros. and they jammed until the early evening. Magical Mystery Guests!!!

[paulsibek]

Blasphemy???

My brother the consumate Dead Head saw the "new Dead" and said that they sounded better- tighter.

What say???

[snoone]

Well with the addition of Warren Haynes they certainly destroy The Other Ones.. I especially did not enjoy the Joan Osborne Sugaree debacle.

[paulsibek]

out there commercialy (or not) available that I can get to check them out????

[snoone]

You can go to www.dead.net and buy any show from the summer tour

[Emoto]

There are also a few songs free to download at http://www.dead.net/thedead/2004/summer-tour/index.html in the "all access" area.

Hey Paul, was that speedway "Colt Park"? I saw a show there in '76...

[paulsibek]

I remember it as Hartford Speedway, but jeez, it could have been anything that afternoon.

Saw the Dead and MANY others when I was in college in Boston I worked as an usher at the Music Hall...

[Emoto]

I remember it as Hartford Speedway, but jeez, it could have been anything that afternoon.

Saw the Dead and MANY others when I was in college in Boston I worked as an usher at the Music Hall...

I saw them there once in... I want to say 76 or 77, in November, I believe. First set had a Lazy Lightning, IIRC. We were trying to tape it, but the f'ing usher kept coming around and hassling me. Finally he came back with a cop and said if I didn't stop he would throw me out. too bad because it was a really good show...

:dance :D

[BobFV1]

Well with the addition of Warren Haynes they certainly destroy The Other Ones.. I especially did not enjoy the Joan Osborne Sugaree debacle.

Warren definitely made the Summer 04 iteration of The Dead the best since Jerry shuffled off the mortal coil. It's pretty cool to pick up some Allman Bros. guitar riffs from Warren in some of his songs, like "The Real Thing" - the soundboard CD's from the Summer shows are really very very good. It's amazing how the giant analog consoles from the old days are replaced by a laptop and a server.

Anyway - there were some great new covers in the summer shows this year - Elton John's "Madman Across The Water" - Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" - Traffic's "Low Spark..." I think you can download many of them for free on The GD site.

_ Hey, does anyone have some good photos of Dead customization of Bikes or helmets? I have the SYF skull in the middle of a roundel, replacing the blue and white part, on my 1150R rear fender - it rocks. I am traveling now but when I get home I'll take a snap and post it.

[snoone]

I only have some stickers on my bags, but I certainly have interest in custom tank/helmet/bag with the good ol Grateful Dead Theme. Anyone out there have any pics?

I am anxiously awaiting this years summer schedule and lineup. I have an advertising co and through fate I recently found out that the musical interests of a couple of my clients are 100% Dead oriented. Who would have thunk it to look at these guys. So last summer we had our first customer Dead event at Jones Beach where we invited 4 or our customers. This year we'll organize it a little better and hopefully get some more to come.

Any you guys are invited as well!!

[Emoto]

I only have some stickers on my bags, but I certainly have interest in custom tank/helmet/bag with the good ol Grateful Dead Theme. Anyone out there have any pics?

I don't have any pics handy, but every single helmet I have owned, since I started riding in 1977 has had a small round SYF like this (see below) centered on the front of the helmet just above the face shield.

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/bands/171/product_medium/DEAS010.jpg

The last few helmets have had stickers, but the first helmet had it painted on by an artist friend. I love having it on there, but the 1.5" size is good. Too big and you start to draw the attention of the constabulary...

[Visian]

... to Alaska. Taken back in 1998 and posted to the net along the way.

Here is the report. (http://www.ibmwr.org/pastevnt/stories/AlaskaSojourn/AlaskaSojourn.htm) (Read the "Ian" part...)

The guy who was posting it for me sorta petered out along the way. There was a version of it on the BMW MOA CampSite for a while, but it got taken down. :(

http://www.ibmwr.org/pastevnt/stories/AlaskaSojourn/98AlaskaSojournalaskalogo.gif

On the back of my fender was this sticker:

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/bands/171/product_medium/DEAM302.jpg

Ian

[lancew]

I just got my first DVD player (I know, I know- hey, I've been busy) and need suggestions for favorite, ultimate, essential Dead DVD's... have looked at some Dick's Picks, but need fan advice!

[BobFV1]

I just got my first DVD player (I know, I know- hey, I've been busy) and need suggestions for favorite, ultimate, essential Dead DVD's... have looked at some Dick's Picks, but need fan advice!

Hi - The "ouerve" of the Dead is more limited on DVD than on CD - I got the new DVD release of 'The Grateful Dead Movie" for Christmas and it rocks - two DVD set with lots of extras and tracks that were not on the original VHS. I have seen it on EBAY for around twenty bucks - which is a lot cheaper than prices available on the net.

[snoone]

I second The Grateful Dead Movie. I Forgot how good it was

[BobFV1]

Here it is:

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/gallery/331961/2/14303739

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/gallery/331961/2/14303745

[snoone]

How about some ink! Anybody else?

[Emoto]

Nice roundel there, Bob! Was that custom made?

[BobFV1]

Emoto -

Actually, it is a "stock" BMW metal roundel on the optional rear fender mount. I bought a small SYF decal from the Dead store on the GD official website, and it was the exact same diameter as the "propeller" part of the roundel. I stuck it on and it seems to have bonded really well - I tried to peel it off to use some silicon adhesive on it but I could not get it off so I just left it. Gets a lot of "thumbs ups" - mostly from college kids around here.

[Emoto]

Emoto -

Actually, it is a "stock" BMW metal roundel on the optional rear fender mount. I bought a small SYF decal from the Dead store on the GD official website, and it was the exact same diameter as the "propeller" part of the roundel. I stuck it on and it seems to have bonded really well - I tried to peel it off to use some silicon adhesive on it but I could not get it off so I just left it. Gets a lot of "thumbs ups" - mostly from college kids around here.

Well, it sure looks good.

These days, I tend to go with a more stealth approach for the vehicle itself. I run one of these on the back window of the cage:

http://www.jiggy.com/cat-images-sm/gd0006e-sm.jpg

I may take a SYF sticker and just cut out the lightening bolt part for the GS, like this:

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/bands/171/product_small/DEAS089.jpg

I don't know why, but I kind of like being cryptic enough to only let others who "know" know...

[calnalu]

Nice to see a thread related to two of my favorite things! Here's a pic of the sticky on my side case.

It took me a couple years after Jerry passed to venture back to see the boys. I couldn't even listen to a Dead tape without tearing up hearing Jerry's voice. Eventually, a friend convinced me to check out the Other Ones and last year, I saw the Dead over New Year's. Definitely not the same as the GD but the Deadhead vibe was still very much alive (albeit much older and more than just a touch of gray).

I've been considering getting an iPod to listen to Dead tunes on road trips. What's the easiest way to convert my Dead bootleg tapes to digital? I have a few hundred hours of tapes and have put the conversion on the back burner because of the daunting task. I should probably do it anyway to preserve the tunes.

Keep me posted if a Dead show ride happens!

[Emoto]

Marty, that's a great question. I, too, would like to preserve my old tapes somehow. If you find out, please let me know, and I will do the same.

You do know about the "Dick's Picks" CDs available on dead.net, right?

[BobFV1]

CalNalu - Welcome to the thread. Your case rocks!

I traded in my 03 R for an 04 RT over the weekend. So far only have one aftermarket item:

[RevWillie]

I've been considering getting an iPod to listen to Dead tunes on road trips. What's the easiest way to convert my Dead bootleg tapes to digital? I have a few hundred hours of tapes and have put the conversion on the back burner because of the daunting task. I should probably do it anyway to preserve the tunes.



One way that I have been converting my tapes and LP's to a useable format is by using a Griffin Technology PowerWave USB interface and pre-amp to dub the music to iTunes which allows me to put it on my iPod or to burn CD's. I just plug my tape deck or turntable(and amp) into the box and record it. Go to the internet and search for some freeware (Final Vinyl) to make it work. I think you can find it from the Griffin Technology webpage. I know it works with my Mac, but since they are putting Windows versions of iPods out, you might be able to do it on a PC. :thumb

[BobFV1]

We have RAIN forecast in the desert this weekend! Might keep me in the house. Has anybody seen "Festival Express" and is it any good? I got the DVD for Christmas and may pop the cork on it. Thanks, Bob

[snoone]

Festival Express is great. Another view into the madness that surrounded the bands we love.. I'm a Rick Danko guy and there is some really great Band / Danko moments. You'll really enjoy

On another note it was -6 at my house this morning.. Must be nice to be in Arizona!

[Emoto]

Yeah, Danko was cool. Saw him play at South station in Boston a few years ago. They set up a little stage right in the station and a small (~150?) crown gathered to hear him as travelers passed by. It was a good show.

Is there much of Jerry and the boys on Festival Express?

[snoone]

Tons of Jerry and the Boys. It's a must see flick. In the late 70's when Danko was at the top of his game, I put on 3 or 4 college shows with him and Manuel and him and Blondie Chaplin.. He was a most talented guy even though each time we put him on he just about has to be carried onto the stage . He was entirely destroyed, but as soon as he hit the stage he turned into this great musical force. In his later years he became fat and addicted. It was sad to see him go

[Emoto]

Just a heads up on a new CD release of a good show. I've had a bootleg tape of this since a month or so after it happened, so it is nice to see it coming out on CD.

:twirl

http://www.dead.net/merchandising/music/DECD278/cover.jpg

http://www.dead.net/merchandising/music/DECD278/

[BobFV1]

Dude - That setlist really rocks! I liked DP 33 because I went to those shows when I was in college, but I am getting DP 34 just because of the outrageously good set list - thanks for the heads up.

PS - Anyone hear how Ratdog sounds on the current tour?

[Emoto]

Dude - That setlist really rocks! I liked DP 33 because I went to those shows when I was in college, but I am getting DP 34 just because of the outrageously good set list - thanks for the heads up.

PS - Anyone hear how Ratdog sounds on the current tour?


I'm pretty far out of the loop. Haven't heard a thing.

DP 15 was my favorite show I was ever at... :wow

I think any of the shows from 76/77/78 are worth getting.

[BobFV1]

Lazy lightning
Sleepy fire in your eyes
Is it desire in disguise?
I keep on tryin' but I--
I can't get through

Lazy lightning
I'd like to find the proper potion
To kinda capture your emotion
You're right beside me but I--
I can't get through

You're a loop of lazy lightning,
Liquid loop of lazy lightning,
Must admit you're kinda fright'ning,
But you really get me high

So exciting,
When I hear your velvet thunder
Seems so near I start to wonder,
Would you come closer if I--
I asked you to?

So inviting,
The way you're messin' with my reason
It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Tell me a lie and I will swear
I'll swear it's true

You're a loop of lazy lightning,
Liquid loop of lazy lightning,
Must admit you're kinda fright'ning,
Liquid loop of lazy lightning

Rope of fire 'round my heart,
Rope of fire ever tight'nin',
Rope of fire 'round my heart,
It's either lunacy or lightnin'

Lazy lightning
The way you always 'lectrify me
Someday I know you'll satisfy me
And all that lightning will be my lightning too
My lightning too

["Supplication"]

(Whoo-hoo-hoo) Dizzy ain't the word for the way that you're
Makin' me feel now
(Whoo-hoo-hoo) I need some indication if
All of this is real now
(Whoo-hoo-hoo) I've heard it said there could be something
Wrong in my head, now
(Whoo-hoo-hoo) Could it be infatuation or am I just
Bein' mislead, now
Little bolt of inspiration, right beside me now
Sparkin' my imagination, lightening now
Causin' instant excitation, cause you're frightening now
Come to heed my supplication, got to have it now
My light'nin' too, My light'nin' too

[Emoto]

I just discovered .shn file archives on the web with hundreds of shows that you can download (for free!) run through a conversion program (also free) and then burn to CD!!! Although it is probably a lost cause, I am tryting to figureout all the shows I went to and then find downloads of them and burn them to CD...

http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php

:twirl :twirl :twirl :twirl :twirl :twirl :thumb

[BobFV1]

Emoto - this is a really cool site and I did a similar project, checking with old college classmates to try and confirm the precise dates of shows we went to. One thing - while most of the shows are on this site and they are free- they are in many cases just raw, unmastered, analog soundboards with some breaks in continuity. One of the shows I went to and had taken off this site was subsequently released as Dick's Picks 33, and boy, could you tell the difference between the original soundboard and remastered DP release!

That being said, soundboard technology has really come a long way. I bought a digital soundboard of The Dead's tour stop in Phoenix last June and I had it about a month after the show, beautifully digitally mastered right off the source recording. Too bad that technology wasn't around when Jerry and company were playing back in the day......

[Emoto]

Yeah, those new tour CDs are cool. I've been buuying them for all the shows I see (which isn't many, since I have a life these days :brow ).

As far as the downloads, so far I have been quite lucky in that they have all been of very high quality. Perhaps I'll hit a clinker here and there, but what the heck. I'm still happy as a clam.

[snoone]

In the spirit of keeping this thread alive I offer the following: http://www.archive.org. Put the words Grateful Dead in the search and up will come almost 2,800 complete shows free to share and download in many different formats. For best quality type in Grateful Dead Soundboard and up will come about 500 shows to choose from. Read the reviews before you download. You can also sort and search by date, favorite venue or song. This is by far the most complete and awesome archive of music I have ever come across. You can actually download virtually all shows you have ever been to. Load those ipods and computers up. Happy listening.

[BobFV1]

That site rocks- literally! BTW, I have a personalized bike plate with a clever Dead reference on order from the State of AZ right now. Some convict is probably hammerring it out as we speak and soon I will have post for you all.

About two weekends ago I was riding along US 60 East of Phoenix, through Apache Junction on a Sunday morning ride. I ride about 80-85 but I slow for traffic and I don't weave and try to ride safe. In my rear-view I saw a bike weaving and gaining on me. As it got closed I saw that it was an RT - I was susprised because I figured it was some 19-year old on a Honda sport bike (or a 47 y/o on a Ducati) but as he weaved past me I saw a large GD skull sticker, I think with a peace sign, on the side of his system case (he was passing me on the right, btw). Naturally, a few miles up the road I rode past him as he pulled in to a little place in Miami, AZ, for a rest stop. Boy - behavior like that could give all of us Dead Heads a bad rep. Wait a minute - we already have one......

[snoone]

EMOTO previously turned us on to this site. Thanks to him

[Emoto]

My pleasure! Sharing the music is always good. :twirl

Having this resource has transformed my boring daily winter commute in the Jeep. Seems like I listen to a new CD every day. :D

[BobFV1]

Now it's official:

[calnalu]

Nice!

I had the following plate on my road trip cage for a long, long time:

DADARAN

The license plate frame around it said: "HINT: Better head back to Tennessee Jed".

Our road trip mantra...

Still haven't figured out the 'perfect' plate for my scoot yet. Five letters/numbers makes it tougher.

Marty

[Emoto]

Boy, Marty, I know the song well, but DADARAN beats the heck outta me!

:dunno

[calnalu]

Boy, Marty, I know the song well, but DADARAN beats the heck outta me!

:dunno

Here's another hint, one of my all-time favorite Dead plates is "WALSTIB". DADARAN is similar.

:thumb

[Emoto]

Dude, you're killing me. :banghead

[Emoto]

Here's another hint, one of my all-time favorite Dead plates is "WALSTIB". DADARAN is similar.

:thumb

Ok, I figured out walstib as a cliche, but still don;t understand dadaran.

[calnalu]

Ok, I figured out walstib as a cliche, but still don;t understand dadaran.


Didn't mean to cause you a day's worth of stress about this :D

OK, last hint: "Law come to get you if you don't walk right."

Marty

[Emoto]

Didn't mean to cause you a day's worth of stress about this :D

OK, last hint: "Law come to get you if you don't walk right."

Marty


AHA!!!!

I get it now. :doh

OIAWYCGSTLITSOPIYLAIR

:D

And, I forgot to say before, Bob, VERY COOL plate!!!

[BobFV1]

You guys are killing me - DADARAN? Won't fit on an AZ bike plate - only 5 characters allowed!

And BTW - the Dead will live on long after Pink Floyd is forgotten......

[Emoto]

Pink who?

Careful with that axe, Eugene!

[BobFV1]

in case you guys didn't get this....sorry the links don't work....

Hi, and welcome to Grateful Dead Flash #22

ON THE ROAD (AGAIN)

RatDog:
As this issue of the Flash hits cyberspace, RatDog is 10 days into a tour - the buzz is loud and extremely positive - and now hitting the East Coast. If you can't get to a show, go to munckmusic.com and get a live CD.
Tour Dates and info.

Just announced: RatDog will be playing at Bonnaroo this summer!
For more information go to: www.bonnaroo.com

Hydra featuring Mickey Hart and Particle:
Simultaneously, our own Mickey Hart has joined up with an electronic/jam-rock outfit called Particle to form Hydra, and they'll kick off their tour in Santa Cruz on April 7th.
Schedule, photos and much more ... HERE


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NEW MUSIC and OTHER STUFF
Recent releases and new Almanac items currently available at the GD Online Store

Grateful Dead - Rare Cuts and Oddities/1966:
Our esteemed archivist, David Lemieux, started digging into the reeeaally old corner of the vault, and found some genuinely off-the-wall songs recorded by the Dead in 1966. Somehow, we doubt you ever heard "Gangster of Love" before. Rare Cuts and Oddities/1966 is amazing stuff -
check it out ...

2005 Jammys:
Finally, it's not too late to get your vote in on the Jammys (in New York on April 26th, m.c.'d by Phil, and with the "GD Movie" up for DVD of the year and shows by Phil & Friends and The Dead up for Live Performance of the Year).
Hey, democracy is cool - go to jammys.com and do your civic duty.


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NEW READING MATERIAL

Phil Lesh - Searching For The Sound
Phil offers a behind-the-scenes history of the Grateful Dead, from their first gig for an audience of three to the legendary Acid Tests and packed stadiums around the world. Phil chronicles how the Dead's signature sound emerged, flowed, and swelled to reach millions of devoted fans. The book also includes 32 pages of photographs.

Grateful Dead CD and Phil Lesh Signed Book Plate Offer From The Legendary Independent Bookstore Powells.com.
For a limited time, with all purchases of Phil's new book Searching For The Sound: My life with the Grateful Dead directly from Powells.com you will receive an exclusive new CD produced by Phil, which includes four previously unreleased Grateful Dead tracks, along with Phil's comments on these four songs. Of perhaps greatest interest to all Dead Heads is the first-ever official release of the long-lost Grateful Dead original song "Cardboard Cowboy," presented here in its 1966 studio version. In addition to this exclusive CD you will receive a Phil Lesh-signed book plate designed by Gary Houston. This CD and book plate offer is not available anywhere else. It's Phil's gift to you!
This is a limited offer, so visit Powells.com now to receive this special gift.



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QUESTION and ANSWER DEPARTMENT

Question: How were the bonus songs on The Grateful Dead Movie DVD selected for inclusion on the DVD?

Answer: There was a several-pronged criteria for the selection of these bonus songs on the DVD. The first, and most obvious consideration, was that they be excellent performances. We knew from the beginning that we were limited to about 90 minutes of bonus songs on Disc Two of the DVD (we ended up including 100 minutes), so we focused on several key factors: were they songs considered for possible inclusion in the original Grateful Dead Movie by Jerry ("Uncle John's Band," which was originally slated to open to The Grateful Dead Movie, "Sugaree," "The Other One" and its attendant jams)? Did we have usable audio and film elements from which we could do a proper audio mix and a proper film edit on the song? Also key was a conscious effort to include songs that the Grateful Dead were performing particularly well in 1974 ("China>Rider," "Scarlet Begonias," "Weather Report Suite," "Dark Star"). With the wealth of excellent material to draw upon, it bodes well for a future release of more Grateful Dead from October, 1974 on DVD.

David Lemieux
Audiovisual Archivist
Grateful Dead Productions


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[Emoto]

Hmmm. I'll have to go to the site and sign up for that. I do get the printed almanac and check their site periodically.

Ratdog just doesn't do it for me. There isn't enough lead guitar for my tastes.

So, it sounds like there will be no tour by everyone together this year. :cry

[snoone]

Ratdog does'nt do it for me either. In fact, Bob Weir I think is too old for this rock and roll band thing.. He looked lost and bewildered when playing with Warren Haynes last summer and I'm afraid he's lost the edge.

[Emoto]

Tough question, but is Bobby a user of something he shouldn't be? I've never heard a single rumor about him in that regard.

OTOH, he had to postpone the current Ratdog tour due to exhaustion, so maybe he was in a bad way all last summer/fall and that's what the problem was. I dunno.

Phil still seems to be kicking a%&, though. Those free soundboard downloads of the December and February shows with some members of Railroad Earth were pretty hot.

[snoone]

Maybe that would explain the Bob Weir funk.. Probably the self-medication caused the exhaustion. And you're right Phil still has the juice until he tries to sing.

[Emoto]

Remember when he would only sing maybe one song every 10 shows? I don't mind his singing, but I hate to subject non-deadheads to it...

[snoone]

Who really sang Unbroken Chain and Box of Rain!!! The wonders of recording technology I bet

[Emoto]

Well, the two big problems are playing and singing at the same time, and being able to hear yourself perfectly. Both are taken care of in the studio.

[BobFV1]

I think you guys are right - Bobby is mostly befuddled and Phil rocks on. Maybe Bobby needs a liver transplant like Phil...

And that is HILARIOUS, the one about not wanting to subject your non-DH friends to Phil's singing! I always go for the volume control when my soundboard CD from last summer comes to the "Lady finger dipped in moonlight" passage as "vocally styled" by Mr. Lesh.

By the way, I never got "DADARAN". A little help?

[Emoto]

Drink all day and rock all night.

:D

[snoone]

Picked up this book just published and authored by Phil.. I've gotten through about 1/4 of it and I have to say this is a must read. This is the bands story through Phil's eyes.

[jmerlino]

I've always felt that Phil was the most interesting member of the band. Here's a guy whose musical universe basically started with classical music, who then went to jazz, and the finally rock. (It's too bad he never collaberated with Frank Zappa - that would have been really interesting.) He originally played trumpet, and didn't start on bass until he got into the Dead. He studied under the avant garde composer Luciano Berio. To say that his approach to the bass is unique would be an understatement. Yeah, Phil is the man!

EDIT: Hey, Emoto, sounds like we have similar tastes in music. We ought to jam some time.

[Emoto]

I've always felt that Phil was the most interesting member of the band. Here's a guy whose musical universe basically started with classical music, who then went to jazz, and the finally rock. (It's too bad he never collaberated with Frank Zappa - that would have been really interesting.) He originally played trumpet, and didn't start on bass until he got into the Dead. He studied under the avant garde composer Luciano Berio. To say that his approach to the bass is unique would be an understatement. Yeah, Phil is the man!

No question, he is an interesting fellow, both musically, and personally. I love his playing.

EDIT: Hey, Emoto, sounds like we have similar tastes in music. We ought to jam some time.

Hey, I'd love to. What do you play? I'm on the south shore, BTW, and have a room with a P.A. (and no neighbors close enough to bother with music). It is so hard to find someone with similar tastes to jam with... :thumb

[Emoto]

Picked up this book just published and authored by Phil.. I've gotten through about 1/4 of it and I have to say this is a must read. This is the bands story through Phil's eyes.

This is definitely on my list. :drink

[jmerlino]

Hey, I'd love to. What do you play? I'm on the south shore, BTW, and have a room with a P.A. (and no neighbors close enough to bother with music). It is so hard to find someone with similar tastes to jam with... :thumb

I play guitar (I think you do as well, yes?).

[Emoto]

I play guitar (I think you do as well, yes?).

Correctamundo. Email on the way.

Any other Boston area BMW riding musicians who like this type of music out there?

[Emoto]

Picked up this book just published and authored by Phil.. I've gotten through about 1/4 of it and I have to say this is a must read. This is the bands story through Phil's eyes.

Just got it on Sunday and finished it today. :thumb

[snoone]

Great book with some pretty cool insight into the band huh.

[Emoto]

Great book with some pretty cool insight into the band huh.

Yup. Me likey.

Lately I have "So Many Roads" stuck in my head (one of the newer Garcia?Hunter songs that Phil mentioned near the end of the book). I love that tune. Do you know it? Some of the lines work for motorcycling:

Thought I heard a blackbird singin'
up on Bluebird Hill
Call me a whinin' boy if you will
Born where the sun don't shine
and I don't deny my name
Got no place to go, ain't that a shame?

Thought I heard that KC whistle
moanin' sweet & low
Thought I heard that KC when she blow
Down where the sun don't shine
Underneath the Kokomo
Whinin' boy -- got no place else to go


So many roads I tell you
So many roads I know
So many roads --
so many roads --
Mountain high, river wide
So many roads to ride
So many roads
So many roads


Thought I heard a jug band playin'
"If you don't -- who else will?"
from over on the far side of the hill
All I know the sun don't shine,
the rain refuse to fall
and you don't seem to hear me when I call


Wind inside & the wind outside
Tangled in the window blind
Tell me why you treat me so unkind
Down where the sun don't shine
Lonely and I call your name
No place left to go, ain't that a shame?


So many roads I tell you
New York to San Francisco
All I want is one
to take me home
From the high road to the low
So many roads I know
So many roads - So many roads


From the land of the midnight sun
where ice blue roses grow
'long those roads of gold and silver snow
Howlin' wide or moanin low
So many roads I know
So many roads to ease my soul

[snoone]

Not to ruffle any karmic feathers , I am a bit of a Dead snob.. I have over 80 complete shows on my computer/ipod/discs and honestly the music I listen to is 1968-1979 with 1977 and 1973 being what I consider the best musical years of the band. Though the Hunter/Barlow/garcia/weir lyrics might be great later on in the 80's and 90's I can't place the tune (so many roads).. I'll have to give it a listen. Maybe It'll open up my ears.

Bottom line is that I could never get into Brett era or the overstated Bob singing and even though Jerry did some great playing, he definately wasnt on top of his game being a junkie for so many of those later shows. Phil on the other hand was always pretty right there musically except for a couple bad moments here and there. Yeah, I know friends tell me to listen to this show or that show and I know there are some great moments but I end up always without fail going back to those older shows

[snoone]

I just listed to so many roads 10-09-94 from landover md.. That is a great tune.. and honestly I'm ashamed to say I have never heard it before. Maybe its time to start broadening my horizons once again

[Emoto]

Well, broadening one's horizons is always a Good Thing, IMHO. Lazy River Road is another good one.

Have said that, I have to agree with much of what you said in your prior post about the later years and having favorite times. Frankly, I look upon anything after 1979 with great suspicion. 1977 was my favorite time for the band although I like a lot of the older stuff and a little of the more recent stuff.

The magic happened less and less often, and for shorter moments when it did happen, in later years. Sad but true. Jerry had a couple of brief ascents to the old spark and energy in the early 90s after health problems forced him to temporarily clean up, but even then it was hit or miss; mostly miss.

The two recorded shows that I go back to the most are 4/27/77 (Capital Theater, Passaic, NJ) that I heard live on the radio and 9/?/77 (Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ) where I was right up front. If you haven't heard either of these, give them a listen.

[snoone]

May 5-25 1977 are the string of shows I go back to the most. Try streaming or downloading any of the following soundboards from archive.org 5/5 New Haven, 5/7 Boston Garden, 5/8 Barton Hall, 5/9 War Memorial Buffalo, 5/11 Civic Center St Paul, 5/13 Aud Theater Chicago, 5/15 St Louis, 5/17 U of Alabama, 5/18 Fox Theater Atlanta or 5/25 The Mosque, Richmond Va. All of the above shows are spectacular.

9/3/77 Raceway Park was an outstanding show broadcast on WNEW FM from NYC . I lived in NJ and was at that show as well. I was also at the 4/26/77 (the day before the show you were at) show at the Capitol which was a great show in its own right.
I was so lucky to be from an area where so many venues were located that the Dead played in. From the 1st show I ever went to at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City to the Capitol Theater Passaic, the Meadowlands, The Garden, Radio City Music Hall, The Spectrum , Capitol Theater Port Chester, Stanley Theater Jersey City and the Nassau Coleseum I can't say that I ever had a bad time. The shows were a state of mind not a musical event

[Emoto]

May 5-25 1977 are the string of shows I go back to the most. Try streaming or downloading any of the following soundboards from archive.org 5/5 New Haven, 5/7 Boston Garden, 5/8 Barton Hall, 5/9 War Memorial Buffalo, 5/11 Civic Center St Paul, 5/13 Aud Theater Chicago, 5/15 St Louis, 5/17 U of Alabama, 5/18 Fox Theater Atlanta or 5/25 The Mosque, Richmond Va. All of the above shows are spectacular.

Oh yeah, I have some of those! Fox is now a Dick's Picks, BTW. I think I was at the New Haven show. I've had the Barton HAll, Fox, and Auditorium Theater shows on cassette forever. Can't recall which others from '77 I have, but Archive.org definitely gets a workout from me. :D

9/3/77 Raceway Park was an outstanding show broadcast on WNEW FM from NYC . I lived in NJ and was at that show as well. I was also at the 4/26/77 (the day before the show you were at) show at the Capitol which was a great show in its own right.

I wasn't at the 4/27 show, I only heard it (and taped it) on the radio. It was either NEW or LIR, I forget. You know what I wish I could find is a recording of the Marshall Tucker Band from 9/3/77. I thought their set was outstanding. Hey, how about that Eyes of the World form 9/3/77? I still think it is the best.

We'll have to meet up at the MOA national, if you're going.

Bob

[snoone]

Wish I could go to the national this year, but due to my work schedule its not going to happen, however I have already set aside the time for next year in Burlington VT. Meet you in the Beer tent. I'll be wearing my tye dye.

[Emoto]

That works. :thumb

[BobFV1]

Dick's Picks 35
Price: $25.00





Dick's Picks 35 is a 4 CD set featuring recently unearthed material from the August 1971 tour. The 8/7 show from San Diego is featured in its entirety, as well as all that could be recovered from the 8/24 show in Chicago, IL. Bonus tracks on disc 4 feature more than an hour of highlights from the 8/6 show at the Palladium in Hollywood, CA. Of course, the CD is mastered in HDCD. For setlist information, please click here.

A Note About Dick's Pick 35: The Legend of the Houseboat Tapes:

Although the Grateful Dead's vault is enormous and impressively full, the band certainly doesn't have a tape of every show it played; in fact, they don't even have a copy of every show they recorded. Tapes drifted off in a variety of ways - including Jerry Garcia handing them out. And therein lies the story of Dick's Picks 35.

This spring, our archivist David Lemieux got a call from Donna Jean Godchaux-Mackay. It seems that in the late summer of 1971, just before Keith Godchaux began rehearsals with the Dead, Garcia handed him a big box of tapes and said, "Here, this is our most recent tour. Learn our music." The irony was that Donna Jean doubts mightily Keith ever bothered to listen to them - he'd never listened to the Dead all that much before he auditioned, first with Garcia and then the rest of the band - he just had an uncanny innate facility for the music. In any case, he left the tapes on his parents' houseboat in Alameda, CA, and there they stayed. For almost 35 years.

In the spring of 2005, Keith's brother Brian and son Zion were cleaning out the houseboat, found the tapes, and gave them to Donna, whose jaw dropped. One call to Lemieux later, and the Dead's long-lost missing tour from the summer of 1971 had resurfaced. Master tapes include April 28 and 29 at the Fillmore East (released as "Ladies and Gentlemen," which was mixed from the multi-track masters), the 7/31 Yale Bowl (alas, the reels were blank), a small piece of the second Hollywood Palladium show, the complete shows from Berkeley Community Theatre 8/14 & 8/15, and others. Dick's Pick #35 is the complete San Diego (8/7/71) show, all that was salvageable of the 8/24 Chicago show, and an hour-plus of the Hollywood Palladium (8/6), which is all that existed on the tapes.

Not a soundboard-recorded note of that tour's music circulates among Dead Heads, so this is a truly remarkable find. How they survived 35 years in a watery environment simply proves, yet once again - if you needed convincing - that God smiles on the Grateful Dead.

[snoone]

Got the email yesterday. I can't wait to get a listen. Lost tapes , great find. Hope there's more to come.. It's my favorite dead era.

[Emoto]

Got the email yesterday. I can't wait to get a listen. Lost tapes , great find. Hope there's more to come.. It's my favorite dead era.

There's some great stuff from the early 70s on Archive.org that I downloaded. Don't recall the dates offhand, but if you like that period, you have lots of options. :clap

[snoone]

Thanks, I've been burning and streaming at least a show a day and now have way too much dead music to choose from both on my computer, ipod and stereo. Heaven is nice

[BobFV1]

The archive.org stuff is great because it's free and very comprehensive, but I have compared some of the soundboards on .org to the Dick's Picks series and there is no comparison - the mastering that Dick does makes a big difference. But until the whole catalog is remastered by Dick, the .org has some rare classics.

It was just about exactly a year ago that I saw The Dead on their tour through here - sniff, sniff - I miss that show and don't think I'll get a fix this year!

[snoone]

The archive boards are more like the shows (actual house mixes), loose, uncut, raw, cutting edge, flawed which is what makes them special. Dick (who is no longer among us,http://www.dead.net/hotline_info/NEW_DOCUMENTS/dp/dick.html) used to take the best of the best and rehash the mixes to something that they never were. The scope of his work is remarkable to say the least.

[rocketman]

<snip>
So post away on your favorite topics which put the Dead and the Beamer in the same thought. Here's mine: If The Dead play Red Rocks this summer like they did last summer, is anyone up for a BMW mini-rally/ride in to the concert? I think that would be a great way to combine two of our favorite pasttimes.

I'm going to keep riding my Beemer till I'm Dead! (boy that was easy! :D )

RM

[BobFV1]

The archive boards are more like the shows (actual house mixes), loose, uncut, raw, cutting edge, flawed which is what makes them special. Dick (who is no longer among us,http://www.dead.net/hotline_info/NEW_DOCUMENTS/dp/dick.html) used to take the best of the best and rehash the mixes to something that they never were. The scope of his work is remarkable to say the least.

It's the age. I used to like camping, now I like to stay in cheap motels (have to stay in expensive hotels when I travel for work). I used to like crude bootleg vinyl disks, now I like Dick's Picks.

Come to think of it - I used to ride an old Suzuki "Enduro". now I ride a BMW...

[AZgman]

EMOTO,

I was there at Colt Park in '76. I remember them confiscating everyone's beer at the gate and just tossing it into dumpsters. Of course that didn't stop everyone from getting a buzz on....


Peace

[Emoto]

EMOTO,

I was there at Colt Park in '76. I remember them confiscating everyone's beer at the gate and just tossing it into dumpsters. Of course that didn't stop everyone from getting a buzz on....


Peace

Hey, cool!!! Do you remember the two guys walking around in those old-timey clown suits? Remember the fire at the fence in back?

[AZgman]

Emoto,

I remember some sort of commotion at the back fence, but I was up near the stage so I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I do remember the idiot on the side of me that puked on the bikers and subsequently had the **** kicked out of him... :doh

[Emoto]

Emoto,

I remember some sort of commotion at the back fence, but I was up near the stage so I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I do remember the idiot on the side of me that puked on the bikers and subsequently had the **** kicked out of him... :doh

The vibe was ugly around the edges at that show. The back fence was a tall board fence and people stopped on the highway behind it and decided to burn it down to get in. There must have been at least 20 police cars and fire engines and whatnot trying to quell that scene back there. It was way back, though, so pretty far away from the crowd. I was in the middle kind of in between some speaker towers, IIRC.

[snoone]

Just wanted to make note of Jerry's birthday yesterday which brings back the fond memory of seeing the Dead at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City NJ in 1972 and 1973.

Also it's not too early to plan, Vt for next years national, impromptu meeting of the Grateful Thread, . What do you think

[jmerlino]

Also it's not too early to plan, Vt for next years national, impromptu meeting of the Grateful Thread, . What do you think

How can you plan it if it's "impromptu?" :stick

But, hey, I'm there.

[snoone]

Well impromptu or not, A little dead corner in the Beer tent would be cool

[BobFV1]

Happy Birthday Jerry!

I named my new R1 after Jerry's guitar - have to get a vanity plate for it now!

Man, Vermont is a long way from here, but I will definately earmark my calendar.

There's a new set of Fillmore West recordings out.

Take care and rock on.

[JOSH]

I don't know about only 3 of us here. I have been reading all of this all along. Stay tuned for the announcements of the rally entertainment in 2006. The "Grateful Threaders" will nto be disappointed. I'll be at the Grateful meeting in Vermont!

Josh Ascher
2006 Rally Co-Chair

[Emoto]

I'll be there!!!

Bob

[snoone]

wow, now we have something to speculate about. Who will be the entertainment.

Warren Haynes
Ratdog
Phil and Friends
Hot Tuna
Bela Fleck
Bruce Hornsby

[JOSH]

Warren was here last weekend with the Allman Brothers and MOE.
Rat Dog will be here Labor Day Weekend with Bruce.
I just got tickets for Hot Tuna, here on 12/4.

Josh Ascher, near Albany, NY

[BobFV1]

wow, now we have something to speculate about. Who will be the entertainment.

Warren Haynes
Ratdog
Phil and Friends
Hot Tuna
Bela Fleck
Bruce Hornsby

Don't forget the Dark Star Orchestra, Dave Torbert, Donna Godchaux...the ghost of Pig Pen...

[Friedle]

wow, now we have something to speculate about. Who will be the entertainment.

Warren Haynes
Ratdog
Phil and Friends
Hot Tuna
Bela Fleck
Bruce Hornsby


I can promise you there will be no bad garage bands playing "Proud Mary" off key. And it won't be Elton either! :D

Michael Friedle
BMW MOA Ambassador
BMW MOA Board of Directors
BMW MOA International Rally Co-Chair 99, 03, 06

[jmerlino]

I though we'd decided it was gonna be Rush.

:hide

[James.A]

that's all I'm gonna say.

[snoone]

I love it when the Grateful Thread comes alive. Sparks enthusiasm and speculation.. Neal Peart are you listening?

[roadrash]

I love it when the Grateful Thread comes alive. Sparks enthusiasm and speculation.. Neal Peart are you listening?
no i am not listening Neal Peart

[magwa]

Blasphemy???

My brother the consumate Dead Head saw the "new Dead" and said that they sounded better- tighter.

What say???

In Deadspeak, better is not tighter. YMMV.

1975-1980 we had a grocery store-deli in Inverness, West Marin County, Northern CA.

Jerry was a customer. He lived in Stinson Beach, about ten miles down the road. Carolyn (if you are a DH, you know her as Mountain Girl) lived separately in Inverness with the kids. She decided to take over a bakery that was floundering in the only other slot in our building. Inverness Park had only two businesses and we shared a roof and back room. Can't talk about the back room.

MG couldn't understand why I wasn't a DH. She thought everyone our age had to be. I told her I liked American Beauty Rose and loved the message. Also loved the unmentionables (that was a fairly long time ago).

One year, she asked me what I had given Beaverslayer (my wife) for Christmas. I don't remember what it was, but I told her. I asked what she gave Jerry. She hemmed and hawed around, and told me that she couldn't say....too many interested Heads. I explained that I really didn't care and that she should "forget it".

She came back the next day, all full of humility and told me. Strange.

Beaverslayer ended up taking over the bakery after the "blush was off the rose", so to speak. In other words, after all the band insiders who had been recruited to work there realized the amount of work you have to do to keep a bakery going. Beaverslayer learned that lesson, too. She enlisted a bunch of band members' wives (mostly the Youngbloods) along the way, all wanting to strut their creative selves.

Sold the bakery and store in 1981. End of an era.

[jmerlino]

I saw the "New Dead" and I wasn't impressed. On paper I should have liked them because I'm a HUGE fan of Jimmy Herring who was playing lead guitar with that lineup. The problem is, A) although Herring is a monster player, he was being a little too reverent to the Garcia style, and B) Herring just can't match Jerry's charisma. Even when he was just standing there looking at his shoes, there was something about Jerry's presence that just filled the room.

(Although I will say this: Herring proved that there's nothing particularly magic about Jerry's guitar tone. He was able to nail it almost perfectly with a PRS McCarty Soapbar and Fender Twin Reverb. All of the stuff about Jerry's Irwin guitars and the rack of gear and the Macintosh power amps - meh.)

[snoone]

I think you would have enjoyed Warren Haynes's addition to the band last summer.. He remained somewhat faithful to the licks but definately changed the tone and temper of the music.. I thought that tour was outstanding.. I agree with the jimmy herring comment.

[jmerlino]

I think you would have enjoyed Warren Haynes's addition to the band last summer.. He remained somewhat faithful to the licks but definately changed the tone and temper of the music.. I thought that tour was outstanding.. I agree with the jimmy herring comment.

Yeah, I mean, have you heard Herring with Jazz is Dead? There's a completely different tone (I think he uses a Strat and Marshall for that), and a completely different take on the music. I would like to have heard a little of that sound kicking Bobby's ass!

I'm not a huge fan of Warren Haynes (dunno why - just never got into him), but maybe I'll see if I can find a download of one of those shows.

[snoone]

Better yet try some Government Mule or some new Allmans.

[Emoto]

When Jerry departed, he took a lot of The Magic with him. Sad but true. Phil still has magic, but can't do it all alone. Jimmy never does, although his playing is quite good. Warren, on the other hand, is sometimes (albeit rarely) able to dip into the well on a solo and take us to The Place. Not for very long, but just briefly.

[snoone]

well said emoto.. We miss going to the place.

[jmerlino]

Jimmy never does, although his playing is quite good.

Maybe not with The Dead. With his own projects, he's amazing, though. If you're planning to be at Heath, find me, and I'll fire some up on my iPod for you.

[BobFV1]

Hey - I'm in Hong Kong on business and listened to parts of last Summer's Dead concerts pretty much the whole way over here. I think Warren turns the Dead into a group that can be very evocative of the old Allman Bros on one riff, then on the next one right back to a sterile yet accurate and evocative Jerry riff.

On my way up to Shanghai this week - must keep rocking on... charging up my "Dead-pod" now!

[James.A]

Good as he is, Warren Haynes is no Duane Allman. Jerry and Duane were alot alike in that their styles are singularly unique and playing was other-worldly.

[lorazepam]

Hey - I'm in Hong Kong on business and listened to parts of last Summer's Dead concerts pretty much the whole way over here. I think Warren turns the Dead into a group that can be very evocative of the old Allman Bros on one riff, then on the next one right back to a sterile yet accurate and evocative Jerry riff.

On my way up to Shanghai this week - must keep rocking on... charging up my "Dead-pod" now!

grab some dumplings on government row when in Shanghai. I love that city, and wish I could get back soon.

[snoone]

For all you ipod users, if the do a search in itunes store under podcast you can subscribe (free) to the GD podcast.. It updates automatically once a week

Dead Show/podcast for 08/05/05 46:23 8/5/05 All Jerry this week.. My tribute show.. Sugaree 10-17-83, Crazy Fingers 7-18-82, Standing on the Moon 2/11/89, RAmble On Rose 12/31/78, Stella Blue 3/21/94, So Many Roads 7/9/95. Sleep in the stars.

[Emoto]

Maybe not with The Dead. With his own projects, he's amazing, though. If you're planning to be at Heath, find me, and I'll fire some up on my iPod for you.

Magic, or just damn fine playing? I don't mean to take away from the guy; I really like his playing and he does things that I can only dream of doing.

I've been thinking about this off and on since first posting about Jimmy not having the magic, and here's my little warped take on it: The thing that I call "magic" is when the band takes you soaring with them. When it feels like you are riding a rollercoaster constructed of all the notes that each of them is playing. That you are bouyed through the ether by thier notes. You rise and fall with them. Everyone in the room can feel this when it happens. It is so thick you can almost cut it with a knife, and yet it is incredibly fragile at the same time.

Now, here's where I think Jimmy's style precludes him from taking anyone on that big ride with him: In terms of a set's ebb and flow, Jerry and the band would make these long slow build-ups that caressed and cajoled your mind and very gradually persuaded it to come along. Sometimes it was the whole show, sometimes it was a set, sometimes it was a song or jam. You would gradually start to go with them because the pull wasn't too abrupt. I think of pulling the group consciousness along much the same as a simple soap bubble like kids make for fun on a hot summer day with a little bottle and a stick with a loop on the end - you can lift one up with a finger or a straw or blade of grass, but you must move gently and gradually or the bubble will burst. Jimmy jumps immediately into amazingly fast trills and runs, and never gives the consciousness bubble the chance to come along for the ride. I'd like to ride along, but I can't jump onto a train blowing past me so fast. Know what I mean?

Sorry I won't be at Heath, but will take a rain check.

[snoone]

Know exactly what you mean.. People that don't understand the band wonder how we can listen to the same tunes over and over again.. Each Dark Star or each morning dew had the ability to bring different things to your ears time and time again.. Some evoked mellowness or jazziness and some were a little schitzo. The buildup was always different as was the middle and the end. Most of these tunes still take me to the place and I'm still hearing new sonic flurries that I've never heard before

[jmerlino]

Magic, or just damn fine playing?

I suppose that depends on the listener. You and I might disagree. I think his stuff with Jazz is Dead and Project Z is amazing. I've never seen him live, other than with The Dead, so I can't vouch for that aspect of it.

Also, Jimmy is heavily into an aspect of music that I'm very much into as well, which is "outside" playing. He does amazing things with dissonance, and advanced harmonic stuff, which for me is THE most fascinating area of improvised music. So it's possible that what I'm calling "magic" is just my extreme fascination with what the guy does. But if it hits me on that level, what difference does it make?

The point I'm trying to make is that "magic" is in the ear of the behearer, if you will. There are a lot of people out there who think Jerry's playing (and the Grateful Dead in general) is boring. I don't understand that, but it's true.

[Emoto]

I suppose that depends on the listener. You and I might disagree. I think his stuff with Jazz is Dead and Project Z is amazing. I've never seen him live, other than with The Dead, so I can't vouch for that aspect of it.

Also, Jimmy is heavily into an aspect of music that I'm very much into as well, which is "outside" playing. He does amazing things with dissonance, and advanced harmonic stuff, which for me is THE most fascinating area of improvised music. So it's possible that what I'm calling "magic" is just my extreme fascination with what the guy does. But if it hits me on that level, what difference does it make?

The point I'm trying to make is that "magic" is in the ear of the behearer, if you will. There are a lot of people out there who think Jerry's playing (and the Grateful Dead in general) is boring. I don't understand that, but it's true.

No, I'm saying that there is a certain special shared experience that used to happen. It is not something that can be captured on tape. It only happens when the music is being created live.

[jmerlino]

No, I'm saying that there is a certain special shared experience that used to happen. It is not something that can be captured on tape. It only happens when the music is being created live.

Ah, I understand. Well, as I say, I've never seen any of Jimmy's non-Dead projects live, so I can't say.

[Emoto]

Ah, I understand. Well, as I say, I've never seen any of Jimmy's non-Dead projects live, so I can't say.

I would definitely go to see Jimmy play in one of his own gigs, if I knew of any.

Dickie Betts in Plymouth next Friday... :brad

[BobFV1]

Lightly customized my R1 with Puig Dark Smoke Double Bubble windscreen:

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/33406587-S.jpg

[SCDorman]

Alright, here's a good exercise for you guys. I have a limited Dead library (American Beauty, Workingman's Dead, Dead Set). I was perusing the live stuff available on iTunes. They've got all or most of Dick's Picks plus some other downloads. How do you choose a couple of the best? Any suggestions? Thanks.

[snoone]

I've developed a favorite set of years and or venues. I personally like 1977,1973, 1976. All of the Dicks picks and From the Vault series are great recordings, but I would suggest going to the dead site www.dead.net to download the files.. You have the ability to download hi-res files that you can then convert to mp3's..enabling you to have hires on cd for the car or home and mp3's for the bike or ipod.

[BobFV1]

Alright, here's a good exercise for you guys. I have a limited Dead library (American Beauty, Workingman's Dead, Dead Set). I was perusing the live stuff available on iTunes. They've got all or most of Dick's Picks plus some other downloads. How do you choose a couple of the best? Any suggestions? Thanks.

Man this is a tough one. I am lucky enough to have gone to a lot of shows and I focus on shows I went to. I really got in to the dead in about 1975 when I was a freshman in college and was pretty hard core until the mid-1980's, when I remained a Dead Head but pretty much stopped going to shows. I like the energy of Winterland shows, and I really like shows that I attended. I also like shows from the late 70's.

I like "Without a Net" a lot - the "Eys of The World" on that album has an incredible sax part. Dick's Pick's 33 is a favorite because I was at those shows in the Oakland Colliseum. The "Steal Your Face" recordings are also great, from the "Wall of Sound" era.

Don't know if any of that is helpful. It's all good - just load up the iPod and keep rocking!

[SCDorman]

Thanks for the advice guys. I started with the Winterland 12/77 show, Dick's Pick #10, and am very pleased. I'll probably grab another couple along the way. If you have any "wait, you gotta hear this one..." revelations, please pass them along.

I haven't seen them since 1984 here in Cedar Rapids. I didn't think they were at the top of their game that night.

[jmerlino]

I don't know if it's a Dick's Pick, but I really like 6/10/73.

Also, if you don't have it, Europe '72 is a must. It really has the definitive (or at least as much as any Dead version can be called "definitive") versions of a lot of classic tunes.

Also: Hartford, CT 10/14/83. Set two opens with a fantastic Scarlet/Fire/Estimated/Eyes. Great show. (EDIT to add: Although Brent's voice sounds even raspier than usual.)

[Emoto]

Thanks for the advice guys. I started with the Winterland 12/77 show, Dick's Pick #10, and am very pleased. I'll probably grab another couple along the way. If you have any "wait, you gotta hear this one..." revelations, please pass them along.

I like to buy the CDs, so I get a few liner notes and a nice archival disk. They're not very expensive if you buy them directly from the Dead.

My all time favorite show was 9/3/77. It was an outdoor show with 150,000 people attending. The New Riders opened, and then the Marshall Tucker Band played, and then the Dead. I was there right in front. Talk about a great Eyes of the World and so many others. They really rose to the occasion. I had a bootleg casette of this since the show, so was overjoyed when it came out as Dick's Picks 15. I think of this as a "must have".

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/product.asp?dept%5Fid=1541&pf%5Fid=DECD040&band%5Fid=171&sfid=7

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/bands/171/product_medium/DECD040.jpg

[snoone]

9/3/77, Thanks for the reminder. I'm listening to the 13 minute eyes as I'm reading. I was at that show in Englishtown and as I remember it was broadcast on WNEW FM.

[jmerlino]

Okay, I decided to have a listen to 10/14/83 for the first time in a long time, and I really need to redouble my recommendation for this show. In addition to the aformentioned four-fer, there's also a killer "The Other One" and a "Stella Blue" that's got to rank as one of Garcia's best performances ever (both vocal and guitar). The whole band was really "on" that night, but Garcia was especially so. His guitar playing is less noodly and more incisive than usual.

It's Dick's Picks volume 6. (It's worth getting the DP, too, as Bobby's guitar comes though much better on the soundboard recroding than on audience recordings that I've heard.)

[Emoto]

9/3/77, Thanks for the reminder. I'm listening to the 13 minute eyes as I'm reading. I was at that show in Englishtown and as I remember it was broadcast on WNEW FM.

:thumb

Yup, WNEW used to air that show now and then for years, but as I recall, the FM broadcast had a messed up Promised Land and was missing the encore (Terrapin Station). Some other friends of mine were there with gear, so they taped it from the audience, so I had that version too. In the Dick's Picks release I think they mixed Jerry's guitar a little softer than it was at the show. Does that jive with your memory of it?

I really wish I had a recording of Marshall Tucker's performance. Wasn't it awesome?

[Emoto]

Okay, I decided to have a listen to 10/14/83 for the first time in a long time, and I really need to redouble my recommendation for this show. In addition to the aformentioned four-fer, there's also a killer "The Other One" and a "Stella Blue" that's got to rank as one of Garcia's best performances ever (both vocal and guitar). The whole band was really "on" that night, but Garcia was especially so. His guitar playing is less noodly and more incisive than usual.

It's Dick's Picks volume 6. (It's worth getting the DP, too, as Bobby's guitar comes though much better on the soundboard recroding than on audience recordings that I've heard.)

Thanks, Joe, I'll have to look for that.

[snoone]

You definately have a better memory than I.. At the show the things you remember more is the scene that was going on at the time or the memory of the girls or friends you might have been with.. The music was important but at an outdoor venue such as englishtown but there was a lot of other distractions and activities.

[jmerlino]

You definately have a better memory than I.. At the show the things you remember more is the scene that was going on at the time or the memory of the girls or friends you might have been with.. The music was important but at an outdoor venue such as englishtown but there was a lot of other distractions and activities.

That's a good reason to get recordings of the shows you were at. You can give a really close listen and catch all the musical nuance that you may have missed at the time.

[Emoto]

You definately have a better memory than I.. At the show the things you remember more is the scene that was going on at the time or the memory of the girls or friends you might have been with.. The music was important but at an outdoor venue such as englishtown but there was a lot of other distractions and activities.

Well, I don't know how good my memory really is :dunno but we goofed around during the first two bands, but when Jerry and the boys took that stage, it was all about the music and I was oblivious to all else.

Do you recall how long it took to get out of the parking lot? I think it took hours, but I am not sure. All I know is I went to sleep in the car for a little while until we could actually get out.

[snoone]

That I do remember. Rte 9/18 was backed up at least 2 hrs.

[snoone]

Time to resurrect the Grateful Thread to let everyone out there know we are here.. New music @http://gdstore.com/. Its remarkable after all these years that the music coming out of the vaults for sale is every bit as good as music released when the band was viable. Will it ever end?

[BobFV1]

Long Live the Thread! Flew from Phoenix to Columbus today and was rocking out to the JGB - Senor, Evangeline - great stuff! Heard there's a new Fillmore set coming out - where does this stuff come from????

There's nothing for your head like the old Grateful Dead!

[snoone]

I downloaded a show from Archive.org. from April 6, 1975 by Legion of Mary.. This lineup only lasted about 6 months within that year. The band consisted of Jerry Garcia, Martin Fierro, John Kahn, Merl Saunders and Ron Tutt.

Check out this site http://members.aol.com/lomhome/

[Emoto]

I downloaded a show from Archive.org. from April 6, 1975 by Legion of Mary.. This lineup only lasted about 6 months within that year. The band consisted of Jerry Garcia, Martin Fierro, John Kahn, Merl Saunders and Ron Tutt.

Check out this site http://members.aol.com/lomhome/

From archive.org? I'd be all over that, but I don't see any Legion of Mary links on the "browse by baneds" page...

[snoone]

Sorry I posted the wrong info for the Legion of Mary show. Try
http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php. I just went there and saw the show.. If you can't access it I'd be happy to share

[BiffsR]

Snoone wrote
So Many Roads 7/9/95.

It was amazing there in Soldier field. I need to find a copy of that song/show.

My current favorite album is Hundred Year Hall from Germany in '72. I also like a cd I have called Celestial Synapse(Warfield Theatre, S. F. Oct. 10th/11th, 1980).

[Emoto]

Sorry I posted the wrong info for the Legion of Mary show. Try
http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php. I just went there and saw the show.. If you can't access it I'd be happy to share

Cool! Thanks, I will give it a try. :clap

[Emoto]

Snoone wrote


It was amazing there in Soldier field. I need to find a copy of that song/show.

Here ya go: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=13996

[Emoto]

Sorry I posted the wrong info for the Legion of Mary show. Try
http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php. I just went there and saw the show.. If you can't access it I'd be happy to share

Ok, I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but which page has the show downloads/bit torrents? I can't find any shows there to download. Where are they hiding them?

Thanks!

[snoone]

Ok, I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but which page has the show downloads/bit torrents? I can't find any shows there to download. Where are they hiding them?

Thanks!

First thing you have to do is download the further software http://www.furthurnet.org/downloadarea/

You can download for either windows or mac.. once you open the software you'll see the search directory

[BiffsR]

Here ya go: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=13996

Thank you veery much for the link :thumb

[Emoto]

First thing you have to do is download the further software http://www.furthurnet.org/downloadarea/

You can download for either windows or mac.. once you open the software you'll see the search directory

Ah. Thanks! So, the Bit Torrent client I have is apparently not good for this? I should just try it and see, I guess....

[snoone]

no, these are straight downloads. As with all of these things alot of the music is hit and miss as far as the quality goes. I end up trashing at least half of what I get from these sites.. But sometimes :clap there is a real gem to be found

[Emoto]

no, these are straight downloads. As with all of these things alot of the music is hit and miss as far as the quality goes. I end up trashing at least half of what I get from these sites.. But sometimes :clap there is a real gem to be found

For some reason, my download speed is extremely slow. Like less than 50 kb/second. This will take all day.

from Archive.org I can download very quickly...

[snoone]

true, I've found some are slow and some are faster.. These shows I think are hosted on individual computers that may or may not have fast connections and I don't thing the files are shared between seeders, But I've gotten some good shows if you have the patience.

If you don't have the patience private message me and I'll burn and send you the show

[BobFV1]

I downloaded one of the archive files from a show I went to at Winterland right after they returned from Egypt. I remember it like it was yesterday - they had a bunch of arabs playing drums and stuff before the Grateful Dead took the stage, and all during the performance they had slides showing them playing the pyramids right above the stage.

Anyway, I was listening ot the show on my iPod while at the gym and all of a sudden it sounded like the sound board guy just lost Garcia's voice mike in the middle of Sugaree - you could still hear the vocal but it was like you were standin gin the back of the hall listening to the sound bouncing off all the walls and stuff, with a tinny echo. It was cool - sort of "rustic", just like those shows at Winterland were sort of "rustic"!!!

[snoone]

The perfect shows are put out as dick's picks and From the Vault series. The rest of the shows well, some are perfect and others have personality.. What you are probably listening to is a soundboard recording with audience patches. Sometimes the board source tapes have defects and are patched with alternate tape sources. And all of a sudden the sound will go from that far away sound back to the pristine sound you started with. Its all good

[BobFV1]

snoone - I think you hit it on the head, bro. Rock on.

[Emoto]

My downloads from Further finally finished. Whoa, that took a while! Anyhow, tonight I'll decode them and burn them to disk. Thanks, guys!

Speaking of show sound quality, we've really all gotten spoiled. Dig out some of the old bootleg tapes you used to listen to and try listening to them now and see what you think. Many were very poorly recorded, but we had access to nothing better, so we enjoyed them as they were.

[BobFV1]

Yeah, it's all realtive - "Steal Your Face" sounds pretty tinny as well by today's standards, but was cutting edge in terms of live recording 30 years ago.

[Callmethebreeze]

Should the music mavens go back and re-master the old tapes and discs? Everything can be enhanced correct? Would it still be the same? Hmmmm, I wonder.

Breeze

[snoone]

Ryko I think has the rights to all the old dead commercial stuff and has released remastered stuff. I think I heard a copy of American Beauty and It sounded pristine. In reference to the old commercially released live Dead stuff I don't think there is any reason to re-release any of it since so much better stuff now exists.. Why line the pockets of the record companys when they can release the music themselves as they do

[jmerlino]

Should the music mavens go back and re-master the old tapes and discs? Everything can be enhanced correct? Would it still be the same? Hmmmm, I wonder.

Breeze

Poor sound quality on a "bootleg" doesn't bother me, but I always appreciate better quality if it's available. Mastering for CD, and mastering for vinyl or tape are two vastly different processes, and old recordings that are released on CD really do need to be remastered. There are some great jazz albums that have been remastered for CD by the original recording engineer (Rudy Van Gelder), that sound absolutely fantastic, so it can be done. Digital doesn't have to sound cold, although bad mastering can certainly have that effect.

[BobFV1]

I saw the Johnny Cash Biopic "Walk The Line" recently, which was excellent. It made me think, what about a Jerry Garcia biopic? Would Hollywood go for it? It would be a money-maker, which is what drives Hollywood. Do you all think there is suitable source material for it? In the case of Johnny Cash they had Johnny's (ghost-written) autobiography.

[snoone]

With Johnny Depp as Jerry.... Interesting.. There certainly is enough source material to pick out a moment to fill 2 hrs on the screen

[BobFV1]

With Johnny Depp as Jerry.... Interesting.. There certainly is enough source material to pick out a moment to fill 2 hrs on the screen

I think it would have to have Europe 72, the "Wall of Sound" Winterland concerts of the mid-70's, and maybe end up with Egypt in '78 - that would be cool.

Johnny Depp, huh? I'll have to think about casting a little more.

[Emoto]

Johnny Depp as Jerry???? :sick

[snoone]

New Flash. Those pristine Soundboards we all love have been blocked.. It seems the former Mrs. Garcia is protecting her pocketbook.. Boards from Phil and Ratdog still seem to be available.

Dead boards can still be found on gdlive.com and dimeadozen.org

[Emoto]

I just found out about this myself and am sick about it.

Where did oyu hear the Koons info? How could she control something from before they were married?

[snoone]

The rumor is circulating on the archive message board but the edict came down from Grateful Dead Merchandising.

[Emoto]

Interesting.

I've now sent emails to the various official dead and related sites stating my displeasure, and informing them that I will no longer give them a penny for merchandise or anything else.

[snoone]

Many people are expressing the same sentiments.. Well back to good ole trading like the old days.

I bet though all the shows will be shared on sites like dime.

[Emoto]

I guess I'll have to get busy on further, assuming they haven't been hit with the same nonsense.

[snoone]

Those other sites are different than Archive.. Archive is a Library/depository whereas all the other sites for the most part are places to trade/share your files. Dimeadozen, gdlive and furthur are places to trade without having to put your disk in an envelope and apply postage.

[snoone]

Following is the original post on Archive

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Poster: brewster Date: November 22, 2005 04:52:58pm
Forum: etree Subject: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive


The Internet Archive has worked with tapers, tape
traders, funders, admins, and over 1000 bands
to build a great non-commercial music library that is freely accessible.
Technically and policy-wise, it has been invigorating as you can probably appreciate.
We have made changes in the past and we will make changes again.

Following the policies of the Grateful Dead and the Dead communities
we have provided non-commercial access to thousands of great concerts.
Based on discussions with many involved, the Internet Archive has been asked
to change how the Grateful Dead concert recordings are being distributed
on the Archive site for the time being. The full collection will remain safe
in the Archive for preservation purposes.

Here is the plan:

Audience recordings are available in streaming format (m3u).

Soundboard recordings are not available.

Additionally, the Grateful Dead recordings will be separated from the
Live Music Archive into its own collection. The metadata and reviews for
all shows and recordings will remain available.

We appreciate that this change will be a surprise and upset many of you, but please
channel reactions in ways that you genuinely think will be productive.
If we keep the bigger picture in mind that there are many experiments
going on right now, and experiments working well, we can build on the momentum
that tape trading started decades ago.

Working together we can keep non-commercial sharing part of our world.

Thank you for helping find balances that work for all involved.

-brewster
Digital Librarian and Founder

-Matt Vernon
Volunteer GD Archivist

[Belg]

Happy to see that such an important and pervasive cultural foundation such as this has been permanently archived for the future of mankind, riderkind, and da kind; and I do miss the good ol' days....

Thanks again, Jerry.

And thanks for the new links for concerts :)

[Belg]

Happy to see that such an important and pervasive cultural foundation such as this has been permanently archived for the future of mankind, riderkind, and da kind; and I do miss the good ol' days....

Thanks again, Jerry.

And thanks for the new links for concerts :)

And PS, yeah, it does sound like someone's got their fingers on the money... how annoying.

[jmerlino]

I saw the Johnny Cash Biopic "Walk The Line" recently, which was excellent. It made me think, what about a Jerry Garcia biopic? Would Hollywood go for it? It would be a money-maker, which is what drives Hollywood. Do you all think there is suitable source material for it? In the case of Johnny Cash they had Johnny's (ghost-written) autobiography.

Garcia: An American Life is a terrific bio of Jerry, and would probably make for decent source material.

[snoone]

Sounds to me like the Deads version of Yoko in Tie dye has gotten involved

[Emoto]

Could be. I don't feel like I have any real information yet, though.

[snoone]

For all you traders/downloaders there is also: http://tmnsp.net

[snoone]

Last Update: November 30, 2005

An Announcement from Phil Lesh:

It was brought to my attention that all of the Grateful Dead shows were taken down from Archive.org right before Thanksgiving. I was not part of this decision making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled. I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it . I have enjoyed using Archive.org and found it invaluable during the writing of my book. I found myself being pulled back in time listening to old Grateful Dead shows while giggling with glee or feeling that ache in my heart listening to Jerry's poetic guitar and sweet voice.

We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our journey. We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed us to play "without a net". Your love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed.
- Phil

[Emoto]

Phil is a good man. :thumb

[snoone]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_en_mu/grateful_dead_downloads

[BobFV1]

Phil sure mellowed out after he got the new liver. Nice to see his statement, which I think really reflects the core values of the band.

[Emoto]

I don't really like having the SBDs be streaming only.

[snoone]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20051201/en_music_eo/17883

[Emoto]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20051201/en_music_eo/17883

It figures the three with the least magic would be behind this. :rolleyes

[BobFV1]

Bobby Ace needs a shave and a head-space and timing adjustment...

Still love the vocals on Lazy Lightning, though...

[Emoto]

Bobby Ace needs a shave and a head-space and timing adjustment...

Still love the vocals on Lazy Lightning, though...

Heh.

I caught the original lineup of Kingfish at the Casino Arena in Asbury Park way back. The Flying Burrito Brothers opened. Wish I had a tape of that show...

[BobFV1]

Oh - I saw Kingfish at the Del Mar Theater on the Pacific Garden Mall in Santa Cruz, California - must have been Spring of 1976. There were two shows and i remember waiting out in front while the first show ended and we heard them playing "Battle of New Orleans" as their encore to the first show. The Del Mar was just an old time movie house on the mall - not really a concert hall but it did have a proper stage and a balcony - real old school.

I don't remember too much of the setlist from that night. I remember they played the Marty Robbins song "Big Iron" with Bobby Ace on vocals, and my girlfeiend thought he was saying "big eye on his dick" instead of "big iron on his hip". They also did most of the Kingfish album that night, and I think a Dead tune or two,

[snoone]

He always struck me as being very arrogant, no wonder phil can't stomach him any longer.. Whatever happened to "Once we're done with it , you can have it" attitude that Jerry had and Phil has.


http://www.squeezeburger.com/bob.mp3

[BobFV1]

Oh man - I'm sorry I listened to that, but thanks for posting it anyway. Bobby sounds like all the ganja and window pane has caught up with him and beat him over the head!

I prefer Dick's Picks to the archive stuff, but it sure is nice to have access to some of those raw, old recording.

[Emoto]

Oh man - I'm sorry I listened to that, but thanks for posting it anyway. Bobby sounds like all the ganja and window pane has caught up with him and beat him over the head!

I prefer Dick's Picks to the archive stuff, but it sure is nice to have access to some of those raw, old recording.

We all preferred the Dick's Picks and were willing to shell out $$ for them because they were cleaned up and clearer than anything else, but after the Archive.org affair, and hearing Bobby "speak" about it, I feel better and better about not giving him any of my hard earned cash.

Besides, the soundboards are still available on furthernet and bt.etree.org. :clap

http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php
http://bt.etree.org/index.php

I am making an effort to grab lots of SBDs before Weir & Co catch up wiith these other outlets...

[snoone]

We all preferred the Dick's Picks and were willing to shell out $$ for them because they were cleaned up and clearer than anything else, but after the Archive.org affair, and hearing Bobby "speak" about it, I feel better and better about not giving him any of my hard earned cash.

Besides, the soundboards are still available on furthernet and bt.etree.org. :clap

http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php
http://bt.etree.org/index.php

I am making an effort to grab lots of SBDs before Weir & Co catch up wiith these other outlets...

My best friend called me after listening to the Bob thing and said "Imagine taking every dollar you have ever spent on Grateful Dead related items over the years and put those dollars in a box and then count what's there." He was talking about money spent on concerts, food, airfares, hotels, gas, booze, asst other party goods, women, recordings, merchandise, memorabilia, original artwork, sheet music, books and other things I probably haven't thought about. This has all been spent over 35 years by me and countless others.

We have previously been the most loyal fanbase I believe of any band or entity other than a religion on the planet.

For me The Grateful Dead as a commercial business is going to cease to exist and I'm sure many others after hearing the arrogant non appreciative words of one Bob (Ace) Weir will feel the same way

I will however continue to support Phil Lesh who has continued the tradition and direction of the original band and has not forgotten that we as the bands extended family have supported his other bandmates lavish spoiled lifestyles and have allowed them their art.

[Emoto]

My best friend called me after listening to the Bob thing and said "Imagine taking every dollar you have ever spent on Grateful Dead related items over the years and put those dollars in a box and then count what's there." He was talking about money spent on concerts, food, airfares, hotels, gas, booze, asst other party goods, women, recordings, merchandise, memorabilia, original artwork, sheet music, books and other things I probably haven't thought about. This has all been spent over 35 years by me and countless others.

We have previously been the most loyal fanbase I believe of any band or entity other than a religion on the planet.

For me The Grateful Dead as a commercial business is going to cease to exist and I'm sure many others after hearing the arrogant non appreciative words of one Bob (Ace) Weir will feel the same way

I will however continue to support Phil Lesh who has continued the tradition and direction of the original band and has not forgotten that we as the bands extended family have supported his other bandmates lavish spoiled lifestyles and have allowed them their art.

VERY well said! :thumb This is pretty much how I feel too. :banghead

[BobFV1]

I will however continue to support Phil Lesh who has continued the tradition and direction of the original band and has not forgotten that we as the bands extended family have supported his other bandmates lavish spoiled lifestyles and have allowed them their art.

I agree wholeheartedly - but Phil's singing is something pretty much only a mother could love...

[snoone]

Phil's voice is endearing (you're right. always been horrible), however he is on tour with Chris Robinson right now and there are some great shows posted. Here's one http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=72311

Phils shows also can be found on archive and in many other places given away by Phil for free. His philosophy "once I'm done with the music you can have it"

[Emoto]

I downloaded one of the recent Phil shows where he had John Scofield as one of his guitarists!!! Now to listen to it and see how one of may favorite guitarists meshed with Phil...

[snoone]

It's time to resurrect The Grateful Thread. I saw Phil and Friends last week at the Beacon theater. Great show and set list. In my opinion one of the tightest bands around. Joan Osborne was great as was Warren Haynes and Trey Anastasio a couple of nights ago.


Passenger
Doin' That Rag
Stagger Lee
Mr. Charlie
The Hardest Part
The Weight
Cosmic Charlie
Jam
Shakedown Street
New Speedway Boogie
Cats Down Under The Stars
Magnolia Mountain
Uncle John's Band
Morning Dew
Truckin
Golden Road

encore
I Am The Walrus

The Band:
Phil Lesh
Rob Barraco
Barry Sless
Jeff Sipe
Larry Campbell
Joan Osborne

[BobFV1]

snoone -

LONG LIVE THE GRATEFUL THREAD!!!

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/13198411-M.jpg

Boy I am jealous - that sounds like a GREAT Phil show! Will it be out on soundboard CD? - I would love to have a copy of it - I will check the Phil site. I really like Warren Haynes and that set list had some real treats - The Hardest Part, The Weight.

I can't imagine hearing Mr. Charlie without Pig Pen on vocals, but I guess I have to let go of it some time, he's only been gone 30 years.

THanks again for sharing - take care!

[snoone]

The wednesday night show was without Warren.. So far there is no soundboard but there is probably one of the best audience recordings I've heard up on etree. If you don't have access I would be happy to make a copy and send it to you

[Emoto]

Yeah, Phil's band is sounding pretty good lately. Still not wild about Chris Robinson, though.

[snoone]

Chris wasn't with the band this time around.. Joan Osborne was the lead and she was great

[Emoto]

Chris wasn't with the band this time around.. Joan Osborne was the lead and she was great

She sang lead for the whole time?? (Except for Phil, I mean)

That would be fantastic!! She's really terrific.

[BobFV1]

Just scored my tickets to see Bobby Ace and Ratdog at the Warner Theater in DC at the end of the month - can't wait!!!

[snoone]

She sang lead for the whole time?? (Except for Phil, I mean)

That would be fantastic!! She's really terrific.

It was a little weird, Phil was in the background and Joan sang every song with a couple done by the keyboard guy. He didnt speak at all. Even Phil's mandatory organ donor speech was done by one of the guys in the band.. Maybe he wasnt feeling well?

[snoone]

Just scored my tickets to see Bobby Ace and Ratdog at the Warner Theater in DC at the end of the month - can't wait!!!

That should be a great show. I'll think about being in DC at the end of the month from where I'll be in Key West,lounging with many adult beverages, barely being able to move from the pool. Possibly comatose

[Emoto]

It was a little weird, Phil was in the background and Joan sang every song with a couple done by the keyboard guy. He didnt speak at all. Even Phil's mandatory organ donor speech was done by one of the guys in the band.. Maybe he wasnt feeling well?

Wow. That is bizarre. I hope he's ok.

I won't pay to see Bobby anymore, since his remarks concerning the archive.org fiasco.

[snoone]

I'm not especially happy with his remarks either. His arrogance underwhelmes me.

[snoone]

I was going through some old drawers and came across a replacement face shield from an old Shoei Helmet I no longer have.. It has never been on a helmet and the #is C-10. I think it came from an RF-8 or 9.. Anyway its up for grabs.. Anyone interested please respond to this post. I'll have one of the lovely ladies in my office draw a winner on Fri the 10th of March. Good Luck

[Emoto]

It's time to resurrect The Grateful Thread. I saw Phil and Friends last week at the Beacon theater. Great show and set list. In my opinion one of the tightest bands around. Joan Osborne was great as was Warren Haynes and Trey Anastasio a couple of nights ago.


Passenger
Doin' That Rag
Stagger Lee
Mr. Charlie
The Hardest Part
The Weight
Cosmic Charlie
Jam
Shakedown Street
New Speedway Boogie
Cats Down Under The Stars
Magnolia Mountain
Uncle John's Band
Morning Dew
Truckin
Golden Road

encore
I Am The Walrus

The Band:
Phil Lesh
Rob Barraco
Barry Sless
Jeff Sipe
Larry Campbell
Joan Osborne

This was Wednesday, the 15th, right? I'm downloading it now. Can't wait to hear almost a whole show of That Music with Joan singing! :wow

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=34187

[snoone]

That would be the show

[jmerlino]

Semi-off-topic, but I saw Jazz is Dead last night. The lineup was Jeff Sipe and Rod Morgenstein on drums, T. Lavitz on keyboards, Dave Livosi on bass, and Jeff Pevar on guitar. They did mostly stuff from Blues for Allah. Great show! :thumb

[snoone]

Hey , thats a great band.. I've seen Pevar in CPR (another great band).. Have they recorded anything?

[RevWillie]

Ah, Rod Morgenstein on drums, T. Lavitz on keyboards. I remember when they were with the Dixie Dregs (one of the greatest and least-known of the genre: "Southern Bands"). VERY good musicians!

Boy, Steve Morse and some of his friends would be a heck of a beer tent band @ Vermont! :clap

[jmerlino]

Hey , thats a great band.. I've seen Pevar in CPR (another great band).. Have they recorded anything?
I saw a couple of taping rigs at the show, so there might be some recordings of this lineup out there somewhere, but as far as I know, there aren't an studio recordings of this particular lineup.

Pevar was good, although not as adventurous as Jimmy Herring, but it was Morgenstein who stole the show. Don't mock him just because he was in Winger! :laugh

Rev - my very first concert ever was the the Dregs opening up for the Doobie Brothers. Of course, I hated the Dregs at the time. I was far too young to appreciate them. I don't really think of them as a "southern band" per se, at least not in the same catagory as The Outlaws or Lynyrd Skynyrd or something. They were more of an American version of Mahavishnu Orchestra.

I'd love to see them get back together, but Morse is busy with Deep Purple right now.

[RevWillie]

Rev - my very first concert ever was the the Dregs opening up for the Doobie Brothers. Of course, I hated the Dregs at the time. I was far too young to appreciate them. I don't really think of them as a "southern band" per se, at least not in the same catagory as The Outlaws or Lynyrd Skynyrd or something. They were more of an American version of Mahavishnu Orchestra.

Agreed, they were more like Mahavishnu than Skynyrd, but they could rock the house. I remember my first Dregs show: a Monday night gig at a rock bar in Chapel Hill,NC. A radio station promotional gig, the gate was $1.07 and only a few folks showed up, but nearly everybody there was a local musician. A bunch of local guitar gods got the chance to get on stage and jam with the band. About the 3rd or 4th encore, Twiggs Lyndon, the Dreg's road manager and one of the original Allman roadies, broke out one of Duane's old Gibson guitars and joined the guitar wars on stage. A very memorable night back in 1977, the band was promoting their newest (and best) album "What If?". I have been a loyal fan since and have had the pleasure of seeing them several times afterwards. :dance

[Emoto]

That would be the show

I'm really enjoying it. Just got into the 3rd CD on the way home. Will finish it tomorrow. Some good stuff there. If only it were a soundboard instead of an audience tape, it would be even sweeter.

[snoone]

I'm really enjoying it. Just got into the 3rd CD on the way home. Will finish it tomorrow. Some good stuff there. If only it were a soundboard instead of an audience tape, it would be even sweeter.

I thought the audience tape did justice to the performance and in listening to it later I discovered some of the music actually sounded better on the cd than live maybe due to where we were seated or where the taper was located

[Emoto]

Yeah mics will often reject sound from behind, so can actually get a clearer sound than your ears. It is a good recording.

[Emoto]

That would be the show

Any idea why Phil didn't speak? Did he look well?

[snoone]

It was like he was just the bass player in Joan and Rob's Band.

[Emoto]

It was like he was just the bass player in Joan and Rob's Band.


It just concerns me, because from the recording his singin was weaker than usual that night. I just hope there's nothing wrong with him.

[snoone]

I hope he's ok too, but he finished the tour in Philly I think Feb 25, didnt cancel any shows and is scheduled to close Bonaroo in June. Lets face it Joan's voice is a lot better.

[Emoto]

I hope he's ok too, but he finished the tour in Philly I think Feb 25, didnt cancel any shows and is scheduled to close Bonaroo in June. Lets face it Joan's voice is a lot better.

Oh, absolutely! I love Joan's singing, and would prefer to hear her over anyone else in the band. Having Phil sing only one or two songs a night, at the most, would be just fine with me.

When I first started seeing the Dead, it was rare for Phil to sing lead vocals on anything.

The fact that he didn't even do his standard donor rap and thank the crowd for making music, two things that he has been doing at every show for years now, kind of worries me. :dunno

[BobFV1]

Okay -

Yeah, yeah, I know that Bobby seems a little light in the gray matter lately, but how many more shows will we get to see? Anyway - seven days until I see him and Ratdog at the Warner Theater in DC.

What do you guys think - any chance I will get to hear them do Lazy Lightning? Does Ratdog even do that song? They must. I've seen it performed by Kingfish, the GD, and The Dead - would be great to see Ratdog do it as well:

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/18465713-S-2.jpg

[snoone]

Follow the link http://www.ratdog.org/setlists/2006.php to see ratdog setlist from beginning of time until now.. No Lazy Lightning . Sorry.. But from what the setlists look like it should be a outstanding show.

[Emoto]

Follow the link http://www.ratdog.org/setlists/2006.php to see ratdog setlist from beginning of time until now.. No Lazy Lightning . Sorry.. But from what the setlists look like it should be a outstanding show.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he won't ever do it. :D

Bob will just have to try to shout "LAZY LIGHTNING!!!" before that guy who is at every show shouts "SAINT STEPHEN!!!".
:brad

[BobFV1]

Follow the link http://www.ratdog.org/setlists/2006.php to see ratdog setlist from beginning of time until now.. No Lazy Lightning . Sorry.. But from what the setlists look like it should be a outstanding show.

Hey thanks for the link!

Damn - The last Lazy Lightning was 3/19/04 in Rochester - but it does look like some good stuff this year - a "Black Throated Wind" has crept in , another all time favorite Bobby song of mine.

Maybe that's my next plate - BLKTW ?

[Jamming]

Bob, I just put in for 2TONIC for my ST here in AZ, maybe I'll have it for the ERC class.
Roger

[BobFV1]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he won't ever do it. :D

Bob will just have to try to shout "LAZY LIGHTNING!!!" before that guy who is at every show shouts "SAINT STEPHEN!!!".
:brad

Ha ha - That's a great idea. Maybe I should find out where that guy parties and slip him a couple of Xanax and a glass of bong water - no never mind, he might like that.

Maybe I should see if I can get my plate duct taped to the bass drum, just like the guy with California plate "DEAD" in the Greateful Dead Movie

[BobFV1]

There is hope! They played "Supplication" Friday night.

Maybe that's foreshadowing Lazy Lightning tomorrow night!

3/24/2006 Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA [Photos]
I: Jam > Bertha > Jack Straw > Bird Song > Easy to Slip > Supplication, Lazy River Road, Odessa, Bury Me Standing > West L.A. Fadeaway
II: K.C. Moan@3, Me and My Uncle@, When I Paint My Masterpiece@, Jus' Like Mama Said, China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider > Stuff > Sugaree > Bird Song > Two Djinn
E: Ripple
Stuff - Jeff/Jay/Mark/Kenny > Jeff/Jay/Mark/Kenny/Robin
Show Rating: Live 7.5 (68 fans) | CD 7.9 (7 fans) Rate the Show

[snoone]

Well, Ace How about it! .. Do it for Bob

[BobFV1]

3/27/2006 Warner Theatre, Washington, DC
I: Jam > Good Morning Little Schoolgirl, Help on the Way > Slipknot! > Feel Like a Stranger > She Belongs to Me, Crazy Fingers > Lucky Enough > Tennessee Jed > Wrong Way Feelin' > Tomorrow Never Knows
II: Peggy-O@, The Winners@4, The Weight@*, He's Gone > Eyes of the World, Stuff > Standing on the Moon > Corrina
E: Jam > Franklin's Tower

Well - The setlist kind of sucked, IMO. Some bright spots but it didn't come together as a whole for me. The Warner Theater in DC is a nice, intimate venue, the sound system was fantastic, the sets were tight and technically well performed. Chimenti sucked in the first set and then switched guitars to a more "Jerry-like" effect in the second set and cut loose a little.

I admit I am not a real Ratdog fan and this just seemed like Bobby Ace with a real solid but soul-less backup band, half his age at that. First non-GD time I saw Bobby was in the Del Mar Theater, Santa Cruz California, with Kingfish in about, oh, 1977 or so. They performed Lazy Lightning that night, and my girlfriend at the time told me shw would sleep with Bob Weir "in an instant". Bobby Ace is looking a little tired now, and having him do the vocals on every single song almosgt makes you feel sorry for him. If the music thing ever stops working for him, he might be a good candidate to replace Bob Dole as the "Viagra" pitch man.

One thing that never changes, even in the seat of US political power, the Dead Heads are always a unique and redolent force on the scene.

I'm thinking of riding my new GS12 ADV (currently on order) to Bonaroo to see Phil and Friends - anybody game?

Rock on.

[Emoto]

Well - The setlist kind of sucked, IMO. Some bright spots but it didn't come together as a whole for me. The Warner Theater in DC is a nice, intimate venue, the sound system was fantastic, the sets were tight and technically well performed. Chimenti sucked in the first set and then switched guitars to a more "Jerry-like" effect in the second set and cut loose a little.

I admit I am not a real Ratdog fan and this just seemed like Bobby Ace with a real solid but soul-less backup band, half his age at that. First non-GD time I saw Bobby was in the Del Mar Theater, Santa Cruz California, with Kingfish in about, oh, 1977 or so. They performed Lazy Lightning that night, and my girlfriend at the time told me shw would sleep with Bob Weir "in an instant". Bobby Ace is looking a little tired now, and having him do the vocals on every single song almosgt makes you feel sorry for him. If the music thing ever stops working for him, he might be a good candidate to replace Bob Dole as the "Viagra" pitch man.

One thing that never changes, even in the seat of US political power, the Dead Heads are always a unique and redolent force on the scene.

I'm thinking of riding my new GS12 ADV (currently on order) to Bonaroo to see Phil and Friends - anybody game?

Rock on.

Sorry they didn't do Lazy Lightning. I caught Kingfish around 1975 in Asbury Park, NJ, and they did it that night, IIRC.

Sorry it wasn't a better show. I don't think Bobby has "the magic" anymore, and I'm not sure that he ever had it when off on his own. Oh well.

Phil, on the other hand, still has it. I've been downloading his latest officia SBD shows, and they are hot. The show from 2.12.06 with Trey Anastasio
Beacon Theater - New York City, NY, is SMOKING. :groovy

My vacation plans are very much up in the air, but if it works out, Bonaroo might be feasible. I'm not sure though that I might be too old for a big multi-day outdoor show...

[BobFV1]

Phil, on the other hand, still has it. I've been downloading his latest officia SBD shows, and they are hot. The show from 2.12.06 with Trey Anastasio
Beacon Theater - New York City, NY, is SMOKING.

Thanks for the tip! Since I won't be purchasing the SBD from the show last night - I will pick this one up!

Bob

[Emoto]

The shows with John Scofield from Decmber are good too. (3rd & 4th?) But, I may be biased because I'm a big Scofield fan.

[snoone]

Thanks for the tip! Since I won't be purchasing the SBD from the show last night - I will pick this one up!

Bob

Sorry about the shows karma.. I knew when I saw Bob fronting The Dead that it was all over for him.. He has no energy for this any longer and I'm puzzled as to why he is still at it.. He looks like he's in pain.. Could it be that he really needs the dough? Stick with Phil and his free downloads.. His bands still show spunk

[jerryb]

I've been considering getting an iPod to listen to Dead tunes on road trips. What's the easiest way to convert my Dead bootleg tapes to digital? I have a few hundred hours of tapes and have put the conversion on the back burner because of the daunting task. I should probably do it anyway to preserve the tunes.

I bought a gadget from either Best Buy or CompUSA's Web site called "Inport" and made by xitel. It says it will convert LP's and tapes but I only got it to work for LP's (so far) I may have to call the company, etc.
Also I've been told about "Tascam.com" and a software they sell - "Sonyacid Studio" but I haven't had a chance to check it out.
I sure would appreciate any info on this subject. Once I quit spending all my time on this web site I'll get back to looking into this and post what I find out.

jerryb

[Emoto]

I bought a gadget from either Best Buy or CompUSA's Web site called "Inport" and made by xitel. It says it will convert LP's and tapes but I only got it to work for LP's (so far) I may have to call the company, etc.
Also I've been told about "Tascam.com" and a software they sell - "Sonyacid Studio" but I haven't had a chance to check it out.
I sure would appreciate any info on this subject. Once I quit spending all my time on this web site I'll get back to looking into this and post what I find out.

jerryb

I don't know anything about those packages and also have a few tapes I'd lke to covert. BUT, you may find it easier to go to Archive.org or http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php and download digitized versions of the shows that you have on tape.

[snoone]

I don't know anything about those packages and also have a few tapes I'd lke to covert. BUT, you may find it easier to go to Archive.org or http://www.furthurnet.org/index.php and download digitized versions of the shows that you have on tape.

I agree with emoto. These days its much easier to download the shows,put them on cd and then transfer them to your ipod.. Besides most of the shows have been improved by the hoards of digital sound freaks out there.

[Emoto]

You don't even have to transfer them to CD before putting them on your iPod. All you ahve to do is make a new folder in your iTunes music area and then tell iTunes to add that folder (File > Add new folder) and the next time you hook hook up your iPod, those tunes will be loaded into it.

I like to use MP3s on my iPod, because the file size is fairly small, however, I tend to download lossless formats (shn, flac) and burn them to CD for archival purposes and for listening on "the good stereo".

[snoone]

Right, I always burn cd's first to have the hi-res, then rip to AAC audio files in itunes (mp4) which are better quality audio files than mp3's for both my computer on my desk (external hard drive ) and then to my ipod.

[jerryb]

Think about it, the Grateful Dead passion here and.......Easyriders mag. a GD mag. with a GD following if there ever was one. Actually I think there is something very profound in that.

"Let there be songs to fill the air"

jerryb

[snoone]

Am I Stupid? Where have I been??? I just realized from going to the Bromberg site that David is playing the rally.. One of my all time favorites performers.. We go back a long way.

I am so psyched :dance. Poppa Chubby, the Commander and David.. BMW Motorcycles and Beer...... Can anything make this rally better? :clap

[Emoto]

Am I Stupid? Where have I been??? I just realized from going to the Bromberg site that David is playing the rally.. One of my all time favorites performers.. We go back a long way.

I am so psyched :dance. Poppa Chubby, the Commander and David.. BMW Motorcycles and Beer...... Can anything make this rally better? :clap

Well, I would say that naked and willing women in my tent would be a welcome improvement, but I do not wish to display my more base instincts, so I'll not say it, because after all, I am an enlightened and highly evolved being whose sensitivity is only outweighed by his need for a deep emotional bond and spiritual connection prior to even considering entering into any sort of physical relationship.

:bolt

[snoone]

That was well said... If you can put that together, My better half stays home