Rick Mayer vs Bill Mayer vs Russell vs other custom seats [Archive]

agmom98

11-10-2009, 01:41 PM

I have no experience with Rick Mayer, but have purchased 4 seats from Bill Mayer over the years for BMW's and, most recently, for my FZ6. Seat preference is a very personal thing, since no two backsides are the s ame. Bill Mayer has gotten it right for me (my size and riding style) or nearly right every single time. No break-in required; in all instances I've ridden 1,000 to 1,250 mile days (for various IBA certificates) when the seats have been new out of the box. Only once did I have to send a new seat back for very minor modification (to move the "pocket" back about an inch). I've gotten leather covering on all of those seats, and it has held up well through all sorts of weather. Oldest seat had over 50,000 miles on it and I sold it on ibmwr with plenty of life left in it for a good price. Very easy to work with them.

PGlaves

11-10-2009, 02:10 PM

Rick made the seat on my R1150R and I couldn't be happier. Their dad, Bill Mayer, Sr. made the solo seat I had on Old Smokey which I rode in both the '99 and '03 Iron Butt Rallies. The seats are almost identical. And equally comfortable.

BMWDEAN

11-10-2009, 02:11 PM

I have no experience with Bill Mayer, but have had Rick Mayer build me several seats over the years and have always been pleased with what he has done. Rick also completed successfully a full Iron Butt on one of his saddles. Here they are on my R1200RT:

http://bmwdean.home.att.net/rt-saddle.jpg

My guess is the Rick and Bill both made good saddles.

AZ-J

11-10-2009, 05:31 PM

I dealt with Rick himself, and he gave me great service. Relatively cheap too. I have to recommend him, highly.

TandemGeek

11-10-2009, 07:28 PM

Very happy with Rick Mayer saddle... even if it's on a oilhead instead of a hexhead

http://www.thetandemlink.com/boxer/Mayer2a.jpg (http://www.thetandemlink.com/boxer/Mayer2.jpg)

advenbob

11-11-2009, 01:02 AM

Rocky did the seat on my 01 1150 GS and following some redo, it was just fine. The stock seat lasted about 80k and Rocky's seat was still on it when I sold it at 132K

Rick did the seat on my 07 1200 GSA and it is also just fine. It is a great improvement over the stock seat, but still looking for something a little better. Maybe a Russell next time.

They use similar techniques in building their seats. They both provide very good service and it comes down to personnal preference.

I would recomend a ride-in if at all possible. This will allow a much better fit and pretty much eliminate the need for a return shipment for adjustments.

bob

dancogan

11-11-2009, 06:17 AM

Rocky (Bill) Mayer did the seat for my F650GS twin. It's the first custom seat I've ever had. It's so comfortable that I just don't even think about the seat any more on long rides. Gotta get one for the RT next.

Bain_Dramage

11-13-2009, 08:22 PM

I had a seat built by Rick - and it is awesome. 800+ mile days are no problem. I did a ride-in and watched him make it. He really does a great job.

JimVonBaden1

11-13-2009, 09:43 PM

The voice of disention [sp]. I liked the fit and feel of my Rick Mayer seat, but the long term quality was subpar. In a year and 20K miles the leather looked like crap, and was badly faded.

Not only that, but it took hime 3 extra months to complete it, he got nasty when asked why, and never sent the promised leather conditioner and rain cover.

I would say this might be an isolated incident, but the exact same thing happened to my ex GF. That, and the "purple" leather was actually burgandy.

Never again, especially since my off the shelf Sargent seat was more durable and just as comfortable!

Jim :brow

From MARS

11-14-2009, 06:22 AM

Wow, Jim. That's too bad. My experience with Rick was just the opposite. I met them both at the West Bend Rally since finding a new seat for the K12RS was the main reason I attended. What made me choose to spend my money with Rick was his personality as well as the quality of the product and the feedback I received from satisfied customers I met while hanging out at his trailer. Rick was also in the ERC class I took while at the rally. He was extremely willing to share tips and techniques with a relative noob to sport bikes. The black leather seat he built for me fit like a glove, looked like a million bucks, and arrived at my door within a week of the stated delivery date. I sold the bike after putting almost 20K on that seat and bought the GSPD. If it didn't already have a Russell, I'd be calling Rick. In fact, I may still call him to rework it as the Russell was built for a much heavier, bigger person and doesn't fit quite right. My butt was spoiled by Rick's seat.

Tom

JimVonBaden1

11-14-2009, 09:02 AM

I met him at the VT rally and was also impressed. His seat was very comfortable, and he seemed nice and knowledgable.

But after the sale was made, his customer service went downhill fast. He promised it within a month of the rally, and delivered it four months later. All the while making excuses and nasty replies to e-mails, and promises he never kept.

Glad your experience was good, sorry mine wasn't and I will NEVER work with him, or recommend him to anyone. Plus, whenever asked, I will tell the truth. I know dozens who feel the same way.

Just one thread of many: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18881

Jim :brow

DarrylRi

11-14-2009, 09:03 AM

I bought one of his seats for my R1100RS in about 1994 or 5. After 150k miles or so, it was feeling a little sacked out and one of the seams was starting to open up.

By this time the bike (and seat) were in Germany. So I took some new photos of me on the bike and brought the seat home with me. I called up and made arrangements to have the seat rebuilt. Then, before my date came up, I ran into Rick at the Beemer Bash, where he was giving a 10% rally discount. So I told him I was signed up already, but could I get the rally discount? He looked me up and said that my seat was a warranty item and it would be free...

As I live only a few hundred miles away from him, I brought the seat to him. He completely rebuilt the seat, all new foam, all new cover. For free.

Rick Mayer's seats have a lifetime warranty. I guess he means it.

jacko

11-14-2009, 11:28 AM

dpspeer

11-14-2009, 02:43 PM

I think both produce quality products. Rick puts allot of seams across the seat area, Bill doesn't. While Rick's look better, I was concerned about water infiltration in the seams.

I went with Bill via UPS (R1200RT basic vinyl model reusing the OEM heating elements). After a couple hundred miles, I sent the front seat back for a final minor adjustment (related to the heating element). 42k miles later, they're still good as new.

I think the key, especially for mail-in orders, is to do it in the "off season". I did mine in January and had the finished seats back 10 days after sending the OEM seats in.

TexanRT

11-14-2009, 06:41 PM

I also bought a Rick Mayer's seat early this year. Took delivery the first of May after sending in the Payment in full and the 500.00 deposit on one of his core seats the first of January. Sent the Core seat back the same day in May and after several promises to return the 500.00 core deposit I'm still waiting. The seat was used by me only for two months as I went down in Kansas on the way to Johnson City and rally. The bike was totaled and I am still trying to recover from the new hip. The new seat was salvaged by one of MOA members who helped keep me company in hospital while far away from home. Seat seems to be holding up I'm told but I do question his business practice at least with me.

Jack

I ordered a seat in February that was due in April but finally arrived in JUNE -- but only after repeated delays. I promptly returned the stock seat and I followed his deposit return policy to the letter and kept all the associated documentation and he still didn't return the seat deposit until 30 days past the 30 days he gives himself for handling the return of your money. Keep after him -- it took me several email/voicemails to get the deposit processed but he finally did return it.

tommcgee

11-14-2009, 08:09 PM

The Russell Day Long is also an awesome seat. My ass is just sayin'...

cowboyatheart

11-15-2009, 12:33 PM

Great comments from everyone. Thank you all. If anyone has any further comments they certainly would be welcome.

It seems like there is more controversy with Rick than Bill, but that may be a result of not having enough people commenting to form a statistically significant sample to draw an "accurate" conclusion.

I will look at both providers. I lean toward leather and less stitching so I will check both of them out with regards to that criteria, in addition to, turn around time and long term service being other factors, aside from the obvious - I want a comfortable seat.

Thanks again everyone.

Neil

scjack

11-15-2009, 01:58 PM

cowboyatheart

11-15-2009, 02:46 PM

Thanks for your comment on the Russel. My issue is that I have the full size 08 R1200RT with a lower seat to accommodate my 28" inseam. When I called Russel they told me that there seat would put me up at least 1" after the break-in period. This, unfortunately, is an inch I cannot spare.

Any further advise on this?

Neil

RTRandy

11-15-2009, 03:29 PM

Whether you ride a Rocky, a Rick, a Russel, or a Sargent, they're all going to work well. Just ask the folks who have them. But before you go shelling out the big bucks for a more comfortable butt, I would highly recommend spending far less on a set of Bead Rider beads and check out what a huge difference they make.

The beads stay between you and the seat so it makes little difference what the seat has going on. Chances are you'll find a big improvement with long days in the saddle plus you'll save a lot of money. If after spending the $35 on a Bead Rider and you're still not happy, then go to plan B and get a custom saddle. Don't start the other way around.

Unlike other remedies such as shearling pads or some foam device, the beads spread your weight over more area plus they allow air flow under you to keep you dry.

cowboyatheart

11-17-2009, 07:01 PM

Thanks. any online sources to purchase these from - that you recommend?
Neil

Whether you ride a Rocky, a Rick, a Russel, or a Sargent, they're all going to work well. Just ask the folks who have them. But before you go shelling out the big bucks for a more comfortable butt, I would highly recommend spending far less on a set of Bead Rider beads and check out what a huge difference they make.

The beads stay between you and the seat so it makes little difference what the seat has going on. Chances are you'll find a big improvement with long days in the saddle plus you'll save a lot of money. If after spending the $35 on a Bead Rider and you're still not happy, then go to plan B and get a custom saddle. Don't start the other way around.

Unlike other remedies such as shearling pads or some foam device, the beads spread your weight over more area plus they allow air flow under you to keep you dry.

marchyman

11-17-2009, 07:25 PM

Thanks. any online sources to purchase these from - that you recommend?
Neil

Most of those folks make saddles to order. You buy from them direct, not from a dealer or distributer. Sargent used to have pre made saddles that you could order on line. Don't know if they still do.

http://billmayersaddles.com/BMS/Home.html
http://www.rickmayercycle.com/
http://www.sargentcycle.com/
http://www.day-long.com/

BumbleBee

11-17-2009, 07:51 PM

Thanks. any online sources to purchase these from - that you recommend?
Neil

Bead Rider website is www.beadrider.com . I just ordered an Ultimate seat for my bike.

dhthorpe

11-18-2009, 08:15 PM

Wow! This site has saved me a huge amount of dollars and headaches. I was seriously thinking of a Mayer seat. Will go with a Sargent now.

cowboyatheart

11-21-2009, 06:21 PM

RTRandy

11-21-2009, 06:38 PM

Funny how everyone will take something different from what was posted above. I will be likely go with a mayer saddle. I need to talk to both saddle makers to determine which one I will finally go with. I will also do a ride in and get it made the same day. So should be no worries about deposits or return of the same. I will likely try the beads too, before I purchase a new saddle.

Neil

Word of caution: When talking between the two companies and mentioning the other brand, keep in mind there was bad blood between them. Rick Mayor and "Rocky" Mayor are brothers who were raised working with their father Bill who is no long living. Rocky stayed on with his dad's company, Bill Mayor, while Rick started his own to compete. Don't know if things have changed, but for years they didn't talk to one another or care to hear about the others company being mentioned.

mgdoc8307

11-21-2009, 09:49 PM

I rode 5029 miles in 12 days on my Bill Mayer saddle on a trip from NC to Colorado and back- never once felt any pain and I have had two total hip replacements at age 58! Wonderful saddle that I would not trade for anything!

cowboyatheart

11-23-2009, 02:49 PM

mgdoc8307

11-23-2009, 11:40 PM

Saddle was only 2 months old when I went on my Colorado trip. Workmanship is perfect-absolutely beautiful-no "issues" at all!

Newstar

11-24-2009, 06:13 AM

FWIW, Rick has a nice Thanksgiving special posted on his website. Buy one, get one half off. Perfect timing for us!

I have a Rick Mayer saddle on my other bike and loooove it!

reactortrip

11-24-2009, 06:52 AM

Buy a Russell Day Long and you will receive a very high quality, comfortable seat with no problems or drama. I've heard (first hand) of the problems that others have had that would cause me NOT to buy from either of the Mayer brothers. Conversely, I have owned over a half dozen Russell seats and have never had one problem with the seats or the financial dealings.

I have had issues with Russell, stems from a problem that didn't involve them, but got a complete lack of understanding and very very bad customer service from them after discussing the issue. Basically them telling me to F off. That's fine cause I can take my money and buy from one of Mayer companies. Really disappointing because I always heard they had good customer service.

cowboyatheart

11-26-2009, 10:53 AM

FWIW, Rick has a nice Thanksgiving special posted on his website. Buy one, get one half off. Perfect timing for us!

I have a Rick Mayer saddle on my other bike and loooove it!

Thanks for the heads-up on this.

Mudbug

11-26-2009, 12:05 PM

I have a Bill Mayer on my K1200GT. I chose Bill after researching both. I found no negative comments about Bill or his saddles.

KevinRT

11-28-2009, 08:17 AM

I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have had both a Sargent and a Rick Mayer seat on my now sold Oilhead RT. I originally ordered the Sargent but sold it after less than a full season. It was flat, hard, and only slightly more comfortable than the stock torture platform. I ordered a Rick Mayer when I stored my bike for the winter, received it before getting my bike back on the road in the spring, and never looked back. Very comfortable and very durable. The seat was perfect when I sold the oilhead after 9 years and 160,000 km. Back then (probably 1999) it was my understanding that Bill Mayer did not make custom seats, but had small, medium, large, and extra fat (or whatever he called it) and you made your choice. It seems that has changed and they are custom now.

My hexhead RT seat is now in Rick Mayer's hands and I should receive it before Xmas, though it cannot be used until April (maybe March if we're lucky). I hope it is as comfortable and as durable as the previous seat. I do have concerns about the comfort as I do not see how it can be made as well as the oilhead seat as the back of the "pocket" on the hexhead seat is the front of the passenger seat, rather than part of the rider's section. Can anyone confirm that Rick Mayer (or anyone) can make a hexhead seat as comfortable as the oilhead?

TGA57589

11-28-2009, 01:05 PM

I have a Rick Mayer seat and it is great! The seat makes the whole riding experience better since I spend alot of time on my R1200RT. I have long legs and got a set of foot peg lowering blocks to finish it up. I would get another Rick Mayer seat if I had to choose. Make sure you get the loaner seats from him if you get the work done.

CFargo

11-28-2009, 11:42 PM

I have never seen Bill's work but Rick does an awesome job. I'm another very satisfied customer.

cowboyatheart

12-02-2009, 11:16 PM

Does anyone have any pictures of Bill or Rick seats that you could post? I'm particularly interested in seats for an RT; but all posts welcome. I would like to see the different design and stitching.

JimVonBaden1

12-03-2009, 06:51 AM

Does anyone have any pictures of Bill or Rick seats that you could post? I'm particularly interested in seats for an RT; but all posts welcome. I would like to see the different design and stitching.

Rick Mayer:

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/images/rm-seat-top-side-best.jpg

Bill Mayer:

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/images/BM-seat.jpg

Sargent:

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/images/sgt-seat-top.jpg

Russell:

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/images/P6173347.JPG
Not shown, but linked, HUGE photo!

Corbin:

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/images/seat1.jpg

I went through 5 seats on my R1200GS. The Rick Mayer was the last one, but it was no better than my off the shelf Sargent, and didn't hold up nearly as well. I gave the Sargent to my friend with 25K miles on it, and it now has about 60K miles on it and looks great still! The Rick Mayer was looking rough at 10K miles when I sold the bike.

Jim :brow

BMWDEAN

12-03-2009, 07:11 PM

Does anyone have any pictures of Bill or Rick seats that you could post? I'm particularly interested in seats for an RT; but all posts welcome. I would like to see the different design and stitching.

Rick Mayer saddle photo posted above, but because you must have missed it I am reposting it here:

http://bmwdean.home.att.net/rt-saddle.jpg

cowboyatheart

12-06-2009, 10:32 PM

Thanks for the photos. And I didn't miss it on the first page, but great of you to post it again so it is rest of the photos.

I surprised to read that the Rick Mayer seats have had problems with long term durability. I'm curious if that is the exception or the rule; if anyone has any thoughts on that.

DarrylRi

12-07-2009, 08:58 AM

I surprised to read that the Rick Mayer seats have had problems with long term durability. I'm curious if that is the exception or the rule; if anyone has any thoughts on that.

I put 150k miles on the one on my R1100RS. The foam did sack out, and a seam started to open. Rick rebuilt the seat completely, for free. Lifetime warranty. I have three bikes with his seats on them -- well, the R90S has his foam under the stock recover job -- and they all look and perform great.

JimVonBaden1

12-07-2009, 12:20 PM

I surprised to read that the Rick Mayer seats have had problems with long term durability. I'm curious if that is the exception or the rule; if anyone has any thoughts on that.

Both mine and my ex-GFs RM seats were showing very significant wear in the leather at 1 year and under 15K miles. Both bikes were stored inside.

Jim :brow

TomRunning

12-07-2009, 04:34 PM

I have had Sargent, Rick Mayer and Bill Mayer seats. Personal preference is the Bill Mayer. I did not like all the stitching on the Rick Mayer plus mine was too soft. I had good working experience with all three

hlothery

12-08-2009, 10:11 AM

I had Rick Mayer seats on my RT. Liked them a lot, very much better than OEM. I was generally pleased, however, the saddle was not ready until over a month after it was originnaly promised. They offered vague reasons why. I was prepared for this, as other customers had warned me. Overall, I think it was worth it.

barry5k

12-08-2009, 10:41 PM

It looks like a toss-up. You'll be happy with either one. I am lucky enough to live three hours from Rick Mayer. I drove in and after he fitted the seat and I sat on it, he then took it off the bike, took off the cover and tweaked it. That was important. Driving up there was not fun on the OEM seat and driving back, even with the new seat not broken in, was really pleasant!

LCBIKEMAN

12-08-2009, 11:49 PM

My 1100RT had a Bill Mayer seat upon it when I bought the bike. After a very helpful phone call, I sent the seat to California with my measurements and requirements - I am shorter than the previous owner and needed the seat narrowed so I could flat foot the bike.
I had the seat back within weeks while I was on a biz trip, accompanied by gratis leather cleaner. Everyone I spoke with at the shop was graciously helpful and informative, taking time to answer all my "first time custom saddle buyer" questions. Saddle is very comfortable with hundreds of miles per day a non issue - I chose smooth leather tapered and curved to fit my riding style and height. Read their measurement instructions - they're very comprehensive.

Harrington

12-09-2009, 07:37 PM

I bought a custom seat in '06 for my RT. I sent an email to RM and Russel at the same time. The Russel email was replied to promptly and professionally. I never heard from RM. I did a ride in and Russel did a beautiful job. The seat is still great. I've seen numerous thread about RM service. I can't recall ever seeing one about Russel.

cowboyatheart

12-15-2009, 11:13 PM

It seems to me that no one has really complained regarding poor quality or service with Bill Mayer. Anyone? Just to be sure. I'm heading towards Bill as my choice.

carmen214

12-16-2009, 08:20 PM

I bought an 07RT this past August. I had planned a 2,500 mile trip before I saw an opportunity to sell my 1150RT and pick up the 1200. With 2 weeks before leaving I wanted a better saddle and Bill committed to get mine turned around and back to me before I left. I took a chance and sent my seat and pictures and Bill delivered like he said. I really like the clean look of the smooth leather and my gf and I had a great and comfortable trip. I couldn't be more pleased.

dougprintz

12-17-2009, 01:59 AM

I have a Rick Mayer saddle on my 2005 R1200GS - 4 years, 50,000 rough, dual-sport miles and it still looks great. Oh, and it is very comfortable.

DETOUR

12-17-2009, 08:00 AM

I have a production date on a Russell seat,any thoughts out there on these versus Mayer seats.I can still back out.

cowboyatheart

12-21-2009, 11:12 PM

I have a production date on a Russell seat,any thoughts out there on these versus Mayer seats.I can still back out.

Hi. I've been interested in viewing an answer/comment on your question. I hope someone can provide you with some info. I have Semper_Fi rename the thread hoping that would attract some other than Mayer experiences for you (and all of us).

glenfiddich

12-22-2009, 05:33 AM

I have a production date on a Russell seat,any thoughts out there on these versus Mayer seats.I can still back out.

I've had them both. My experience with the Russell was that it was the most comfy long distance saddle available...for the road. Unfortunately my riding was a mix of pavement and dirt, and in the dirt I like to use all of the saddle. The Russell's fat wings kept me from sliding back while standing on the pegs; they cut painfully into the back of my thighs especially on bumpy downhills.

Was interested in a Mayer, but wasn't sure which one. I was impressed by Bill Mayer. When I asked him the difference between his seats and Rick Mayer's seats, he told me to sit on both and choose the one most comfortable for my body. When I asked the Rick Mayer rep the same question I got 10 minutes worth of venting about a family dispute and nothing about the seat. They might be great seats, but that venom was a real turn off. I went with Bill Mayer and have been very happy with it. It's certainly not as comfortable as the Russell for me after 600 miles, but is much more versatile given my style of riding. And I had to admit that I don't often need to ride more than 500 miles in a day.

Workmanship is equal between the two companies. Slight nod to Mayer for customer service and communication. YMMV

Pete

bullseye

12-24-2009, 05:09 PM

I bought a Russel seat several years ago. Well made, and the most comfortable seat I've used.

Beemeup

12-26-2009, 10:38 AM

I've been following this thread with great interest and doing some investigations with others that I know about their experiences with custom-built seats. I know a guy who has done the 48-plus Iron Butt Ride in 8 days and change and he swears by Russell. In the end I've decided to go with Russell and have a production date in late February. I am an inseam challenged rider riding a low seat, low suspension 2009 RT and included extensive information about this in my application. I was pleased to hear that another option that would be available to me if I decided the day-long seat would raise me up too high, would be a Russell Sport seat that would not raise me up at all and although not as comfortable as a day long, would be more comfortable than what I have now and about 20% less expensive than a day-long saddle. I've requested to speak with the seat builder after he reviews all of my information and before he starts, I'm hopeful that between the two of us we'll able to determine if a day-long is in the cards for me or if it would be safer to go with the sport saddle. They seemed quite accomodating about this and told me the builder would be calling me before they start any work. I hope I can get the day-long because I am planning to do some long distance days on this bike. We'll see, thanks for your input everyone, it has been helpful to review everyone's experiences. Don

jerbunch

12-29-2009, 04:00 PM

how do you get the heated seat option to work with a Bill or Rick saddle????

TexanRT

12-29-2009, 04:08 PM

how do you get the heated seat option to work with a Bill or Rick saddle????

RE: Rick Mayer Heated Seats

I guess if you do a ride-in appointment, he'll just rebuild on your existing seat pans and you'll retain the switching/wiring functions.

If you're mail ordering (and exchanging) seat pans, you need to specify that your bike has heated seats and he'll build your new one on the correct seat pan.

Other than needing to replace a defective pillion heat rocker switch when my seat arrived, the heat works fine -- I would add that the driver seat takes a bit longer to heat with the new seat. The pillion heat works great.

Jbryant53

12-29-2009, 09:41 PM

Beemeup...I have the RDL on my 06 RT and am inseam challenged and had a regular height RT...the RDL seat raised me up at least 1.5 inches.....and I spent a lot of time with "Heather" on exactly how much the seat would raise me up and it was not really explained to me that the seat would be that much higher.

I have put lowering shocks on the RT to make it at least rideable for me.. even with the low shock, low seat option the russell day-long seat is going to put you back up some. I sent my seat back to be adjusted and Russell did what I asked but the seat is still too high for my liking..

but!...the seat is soooo comfortable I decided to live with it being a "little" too high for my liking....

in the trade off between comfort and flat footing...comfort won out! If I had to do it again..I wouldn't buy the day-long seat and look for another custom seat maker that could keep me flat-footed and comfortable...the day-long won't do both...at least not to my experience....

UncleMark

12-29-2009, 10:00 PM

An excerpt from a 2006 post in another forum...

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My concern on "Wild Blue", my 1200LT ( and that of my co-pilot), was the "sitter mechanism"... that's the part we sit on... and the basic "sitter" wasn't too comfy. Hours of research and almost as many hours in verbal discussions (my many thanks to TallyHo and his co-pilot Jeanie), we decided on the Rick Mayer "sitter" alternative.

This boys and girls, is a class act! Rick is as down home as you can get. He believes in his product, knows his stuff and backs it completely. I originally thought that I would drive "Wild Blue" to his shop, be ushered into a lavish waiting room and be allowed to see her majesty only when the new seat was installed (which I could have done by the way, however, I opted for being an active participant... ). Rick Mayer has only good people working for him, and Seth, Rick's co-partner in creativity, is pulling Wild Blue's seat as soon as we get off the bike. Seth walked us thru the removal process, material selection, cutting process... this guy is a credit to the whole seat reconstruction application. He's as true a craftsman as Rick is... and he cares not only about you as a customer, but the machine as well.

This was a three hour magical mystery tour. Thru it all Rick explained who, how and why; along with a healthy dose of kibitzing between he and Seth. But to watch Rick and Seth "sculpt" the final product... well, let's just say it was dam entertaining AND very educational. What is even more amazing is to watch Rick crank out the stitched product. The words "Master Artisan" comes to mind...

While there are many manufacturers out there making custom seats, I whole heartedly recommend Rick Mayer's Motorcycle seats for looks, construction and support by the manufacturer.

I have been there;
I have seen how it's done;
It was explained to me in detail and works as advertised;

The finished seat looks almost like the bike was built that way from the factory.

It was also a most enjoyable day of riding...

If the basic version of your "sitter" is a tad uncomfortable (and those of you who squirm in the seat after 2 hours of solid riding, you know who you are), you should look into a more comfortable seat. I put Mr. Rick Mayer's seat on the highly highly recommended list. If you can make the trip to his shop, it's even more fun to be there and watch the whole process in person. Just don't be surprised if he puts you to work...

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Even today, the seat is perfect in all respects. If I ever buy another scooter, the R. Mayer seat will be the first farkle it gets...

victorlipp

01-04-2010, 05:55 PM

Rick Mayer did a great job for me, get the leather seat!

tlcoulter

01-04-2010, 07:38 PM

Rick Mayer did a great job for me, get the leather seat!
What makes you say that? I'm curious, because I have a build date of 1/29, and I've ordered the vinyl seat. I thought about leather, but decided against it.

AZ-J

01-04-2010, 10:25 PM

I have the vinyl as the color that matched my bike was not available in leather (my seat is color coded to the paint). I like the vinyl just fine.

cathdeac

01-04-2010, 10:35 PM

It is the Kontour Magnum...

I don't even THINK about the seat anymore!!!:scratch

DarrylRi

01-05-2010, 08:57 AM

I've had several vinyl seats from Rick on my oilhead RSes, and now have a leather seat on the R12ST. The leather is softer and breathes better, but you need to stay on top of it with leather treatment and keep it covered in the weather and sun. The vinyl is durable and still very comfortable. I could go back to vinyl and probably will on the next bike because I'm not good at keeping the seat covered.

Newstar

01-05-2010, 01:47 PM

I've been following this thread and wanted to add my two cents.

A few years ago, we talked to Rick, Bill, Sargent, and someone else who I can't remember, at the rally in Vermont. We decided to order from Rick and have been pleased with our purchases for his RT and my 650GS.

We've recently been in touch with Rick about new seats for our 1200 GS's and have placed the order. I had a lot of questions and want custom embroidery. We wanted to match vinyl colors for a two tone look and then I later changed my mind. Through it all, Rick has been extremely helpful, reassuring, and a pleasure to talk to! One thing I did not think of was that my seat is a lowered version. He even called me today to ask if that's what I wanted.

As far as customer service goes, Rick is a pro. I can't wait to test the finished product!

SIBUD

01-05-2010, 03:04 PM

Currently have a Rick Mayer on my 97 RT. Have had a Corbin and a Sargent.

Looking at the new Magnum KonTour as an option but have to sell my Rick Mayer first. Lucky to still have the OE seat.

cowboyatheart

01-05-2010, 03:44 PM

http://www.kontourseat.com/id7.html

This is the link for the Kontour seats. Anyone else have any experience with these?

cowboyatheart

01-06-2010, 06:59 PM

So I have now spoken with Bill Mayer, Rick Mayer, Russell and Kontour.

they all pretty much want all "unmolested" RT OEM seats. When I bought my 2008 R1200RT I asked the dealer for the lower seat from BMW. Since the bike was in his shop and the wait for a new low seat from BMW was 4 to 6 weeks (!!!) he sent the standard seat out to a local guy to have it redone with less foam.

This, apparently, is a no no when it comes to getting a custom seat. So the vendors have told me to find unmolested OEM RT seats for them to modify.

Yikes! Any suggestions? New ones are ungodly expensive to buy and then spend more money customizing. I haven't found any used ones e-bay or on the flea market here.

marchyman

01-06-2010, 07:33 PM

racer7

01-06-2010, 09:11 PM

Also own the Sargent because I didn't want to mess with leather which I don't like for seating even in cars. Not that vinyl is better, but it is more durable with less care.

The Kontour cloth looks very nice for dry hot climates like AZ or southern CA. In wet humid climates I would expect its drying time to be much longer than other types after a rain- meaning a wet butt unless you wear waterproof gear if you come out to your bike after a rain.
No direct experience with it, however.

cowboyatheart

01-06-2010, 11:36 PM

Are you sure they want unmolested seats or unmolested seat pans. :ear

Sargent will sell you a seat that includes their pan. You can put your current saddle away. http://www.sargentcycle.com/bmwwsr12rt.htm

I had one on my R1150RT and liked it a lot. My only "customization" was to forgo the welts. To my thinking all welts do is add a ridge where I'd prefer a smooth surface.

Hi, they want OEM seat pans and unmolested foam. So original seats only. If the dealer had given me an official low seat from BMW then it would have been fine.

The response I got from Kontour on this issue was:

"We use a small portion of the OEM foam to build the composite and retain the overall shape of the seat, if it has been hacked (and if done by a local "upholstery" shop, 99% of the time it is) we can't work with it. Our composite is precision cut and permanently glued together in layers."

cowboyatheart

01-20-2010, 12:34 AM

Ordered a Kontour seat. I should have it in a couple of weeks (or three). After I put a few miles on it I will do a post morton post on my experience. Since I live in BC I wanted to shy away from leather. I must admit I'm way to lazy to put all the work into leather and wouldn't dream of putting on a rain cap on the seat - too much hassle for me.

So we'll see....

SIBUD

05-26-2010, 06:09 PM

Cowboy,

How do you like the Kontour seat after having it for several months?

engjacques

05-26-2010, 09:14 PM

I am lucky enough too live within about 15 mikes of Rick Mayer and Russel, also considered Sargent and Bill Mayer. Decided to go local cause then I can go in and see them with just a short ride and went for Ricks seat back in Febuary and was ready to pick up when promised in a week (my time frome due to work). Really considered th Russell as I believe that general opinoun is all these seats are comfortable Russell seems to have the edge. BUT they look ugly on the GS1200 (not ugly on all bikes though) and seemed a bit wide for the GS - particularly if you stand on the pegs as the confy wings seem too get in the way. Wheras with Ricks seat seems too flow with the GS lines better. So far so good with the seat, but still need too do a trip of more than a couple of hundred miles yet (July)

Beemeup

05-27-2010, 04:47 AM

I went with the Russell Seat in vinyl and couldn't be happier. It is the most comfortable motorcycle seat I've ever had. The customer service was good and the builder was spot-on with the measurements I gave them. I had a good experience with Russell. Don

cowboyatheart

05-27-2010, 11:15 AM

Cowboy,

How do you like the Kontour seat after having it for several months?

Hi All,

I have had the Kontour for a few months now. But have not put many miles on it, yet.
So far I find it very cool (lots of airflow so no sticking to the seat). This is not the best in a cold climate (the seat heating can't beat the air flow) but will be good when it gets hot.
The material is mesh and very slippery with my BMW Motorrad textile pants - good and bad with that - you would have to judge for yourself. Comfort seems good, but I have not ridden it long enough in one stretch to really get a sense of that. As soon as I do a road trip, probably July, I will do another post and let everyone know how I find the seat.
Ride Safe.

The_Veg

05-29-2010, 10:27 AM

Maybe you should write a review for the Owners News too?

tiger1959

05-30-2010, 11:41 AM

:)Just put a Sargent seat on My 2010 RT. I really like it so far. I had one on My St1300 and only have good things to say about it. The Lady I sold it to(the seat) says she loves it. I have a Russell on my KLR 650 and like it to. I had a Corbin on My ST at one time and it was terrible. I told the guy that I sold it to that I was ready to give it away to get it out of my garage, however He likes it. I believe for what you pay for a bike the seats could be much better!

DarrylRi

06-02-2010, 01:07 PM

Yesterday I woke up in Salt Lake City, after having taken in the WSBK races.

12 hours and 22 minutes, 821 miles and 4 tanks of gas later, I was home in Santa Cruz, California.

I LOVE MY RICK MAYER SADDLE.

K12RSboy

06-03-2010, 07:52 PM

Since you live only two hours from Kingston WA I would suggest you choose Rich's Custom Seats. Not only will you think you have died and gone to heaven Rich and his entire staff treat you like Royalty while you are in his shop. Check him out, http://www.richscustomseats.com/

cowboyatheart

03-03-2011, 11:57 PM

Hi All,

I have had the Kontour for a few months now. But have not put many miles on it, yet.
So far I find it very cool (lots of airflow so no sticking to the seat). This is not the best in a cold climate (the seat heating can't beat the air flow) but will be good when it gets hot.
The material is mesh and very slippery with my BMW Motorrad textile pants - good and bad with that - you would have to judge for yourself. Comfort seems good, but I have not ridden it long enough in one stretch to really get a sense of that. As soon as I do a road trip, probably July, I will do another post and let everyone know how I find the seat.
Ride Safe.

Hi All,
so I've ridden a fair amount, still not long trips, on this new seat. It is comfortable. My biggest issue with it is that it is so slippery with the textile pants. With a fast stop you slide up to the tank, no matter how much you try to grip with your thighs. In cold weather, the heated seat cannot keep up with the airflow. So, comfortable to ride on, but issues with the two things mentioned. I'm glad I kept my original seat so that I can swap it out in the fall to spring weather time frame (here near the Vancouver BC region).

bowr1200rt

03-04-2011, 07:54 AM

Last summer (2010) I made it home in two days from Deadwood, SD. 876 day one 871 day two. Rick Mayer saddle worked for me. The summer of 2009 I did a ride in appointment early one morning. Rick was a nice guy and you could really tell he loves what he does.

cowboyatheart

03-04-2011, 12:13 PM

RTinger

03-04-2011, 05:33 PM

Next, I am going to try sitting on a pillow laying on the frame

Polarbear

03-04-2011, 05:41 PM

Mine is a Rocky seat, out of Ojai,CA, where he lives and builds the seats. The Russell seat isn't a good offroader seat, gets into the legroom thing when standing on the pegs, but a fine fine seat by them for other bikes, including my KLT1200 a while back. My only complaint is all the seats are ROCK hard foam and it doesn't get any better with age! I told Rocky I would like the seat redone with some softer feel to it, but have not been able to get back to his shop. Its about 2 and a half years old now with no other complaints, very well made and its been very well used at 62000miles now, no obvious wear to it:). Vinyl was my choice as I picked RED as a side panel choice on the seat and leather red is an"awful"mismatch, not a close match to my red GSA. The vinyl red is perfect and shows NO discolor at this time. Rocky was hands OFF and had no input on my seat, as I watched it made by his Mexican tradesmen, whom did fine work, no complaints by me. I was however, surprised Rocky did not do the work himself, but I understand a lot of seats pass through those doors and his seat builders were "first rate":). Rick, maybe does more work, unknown???,but sounds like it here. Rocky may well do some too, unknown to me and was very friendly and a good host, as I waited/watched my seat made. My Corbins and Russell seats have all been ROCK hard but well made. BILL MAYER SR. built my R100/7 seat over 30 years ago and it is STILL my favorite all time seat at over 350000miles on it:). A WOW seat, should be in the m/c hall of fame for seats. His kids are artisans for sure, but the SR.(Dad) had it right on for comfort(to this day) for my older Airhead:). Randy

Rpbump

03-04-2011, 06:28 PM

I have a Bill Mayer seat on my 2004 CLC. It is so much more comfortable than the BMW seat even when using an Airhawk between my butt and the BMW saddle. The heat function was retained and works 4.0. I have a spare " black CLC seat " that a fellow CLC owner can borrow to use while his/her seat is being redone by one of the above mentioned saddle makers, just PM me.

bowr1200rt

03-05-2011, 08:07 AM

cowboyatheart

03-05-2011, 11:32 AM

I opted for the synthetic. I did'nt want to have to worry about rain storms and saddle care. Also leather increased the cost a good bit. I only had the rider part done not the passenger. He did recover the passenger seat to match the rider seat.

Thanks for the info. Did you go to his shop or did you courier it with your measurements and pictures? This is a general question for everyone that has a custom saddle made. I'm curious if going to the shop get's a better product in the end.

cowboyatheart

03-05-2011, 12:33 PM

Question in PM was...

Did you have a chance to put some miles on the Kontour yet? How do you like it and how does it compare to other seats that you may have used?
Thanx

My Answer...for those that are interested...

Just posted in the thread. Yes. Good comfort, defeats heated seating for cold weather - too much airflow, very slippery with textile pants - thrown against tank in quick stop, slide forward in slow stop. This seat should be redesigned, with some intermittent strips of material that provide resistance to slipping for the pants.

bullzeye

03-05-2011, 08:17 PM

For me, my R1200RT's stock seat was so bad I had to stop every hour for relief. A bead rider helped some, but then I bought a used Corbin and the improvement was dramatic...last year I rode nearly 7,000 miles over the course of 14 days to and from the BMW MOA rally, including my first Iron Butt on the outbound leg and then a 1500 mile Bun Burner on the way back. My longest continuous stretch in the saddle was 233 miles, something I could -never- have done with my stock seat. My Corbin is leather...and while it's not too slippery, I have tank pads to improve the grip. Seems most aftermarket saddles are all considerably wider than stock. I think the origins of "wider is better" is apparent by looking at early tractor seat design! Do you think old-time farmers debated which tractor saddle was most comfortable? Are equestrian saddles prone to inflicting pain on their riders? That's a horse of a different color :D