Passive Aggression At the BMWMOA? NO!?

[KGT1200]

Is there passivity and aggession at the forum? Does it drive away members?
Is it a problem?

Is it worth discussion?

[Sit]

It doesn't drive me away, but does limit my interest. I read some of the threads and participate in the hopes of learning or maybe helping somebody out. But when the threads turn to push me/shove you, who can insult who the best, I tune out and go away. The mods seem to do a pretty good job here of shutting things down when they spin out of control as opposed to some other forums where the mods partake and spin things up.

[83014]

I read your original post and was trying to think of a response. When I came back to it, I saw that it had been severely edited, I hope by you. I went back to the thread (now closed) that you referred to for some background. I had posted to that thread early on and saw some rancor blooming then. As for anonymity (mentioned in your unedited post), I see that as less of a problem. It seems a lot of posters know who they're talking to based on use of names or MOA rank. That makes it personal, not appropriate for a forum. Rather than air one's dirty laundry, or lack of respect for a fellow member, I would encourage use of the PM. Just like the Health Care Town Hall meetings, I'm not going to be receptive of a POV if the speaker can't express it without derision, sarcasm or insult. We have a diverse group of members from all over. What is acceptable to one region may be insulting to another. Sometimes, it is just that regional difference and sometimes folks are just jerks. It's not just this forum. Talk radio and loud-mouthed TV "news" anchors have contributed to this climate of say what you want and disregard others.

See you on the road ( hopefully, I'll be in front )

[nplenzick]

I see it not just in many type of forums but in society in general. It's the I'm right your wrong attitude. The failure to understand someone else's point of view and the failure to compromise seems to be running rampant. It really doesn't matter if your talking bikes, sports, politics, religion, the weather or whatever. Some also have a complete disregard of manners.

[GrafikFeat]

Here's an analogy of the question posed:

Yer riding down the road enjoying the day... Guy comes up behind you and tailgates.
First reaction is to speed up a bit to gain some room... It continues.
So you speed up a bit longer to gain more distance.
LEO pulls you over and the tailgater rides past waving to ya...

Face it. Some guys are just better at baiting then others.
Even when you discuss it it makes you suspect.

I've decided to discuss it at the next rally.
That way there will be no misunderstanding by the lack of inflection. :whistle

In the meantime... I'll pull over and let them pass instead of trying to distance myself. :laugh

[Statdawg]

Yes and yes

Yes

No, due to forum rules, manners and there are other forums for this type of entertainment.

[lamble]

Yes
Yes
Yes
No.
The perpetrators are well entrenched and seem to play the system to their advantage.
By playing the popularity role in some threads, they get away with crossing the line elsewhere without censure. It would appear that by volume of posts, they believe they have taken some ownership of the site and can ride rough shod over the rules that don't suit them.
As an example, I will only make this one post to this thread, as I no longer feel it is viable to get into any discussions, at all, on any subject where there might be interaction with this small group.

I wish this had been a poll instead.

[crazydrummerdude]

Name some names; call some people out. Otherwise, I have no idea what you all are talking about. The MOA forum is the most touchy-feely forum I'm on.

[Motor31]

Holy hades blizzard conditions Batman!!! Lamble and I agree on this. :laugh

He stated it pretty well and I have to agree totally on his take on it.



Yes
Yes
Yes
No.
The perpetrators are well entrenched and seem to play the system to their advantage.
By playing the popularity role in some threads, they get away with crossing the line elsewhere without censure. It would appear that by volume of posts, they believe they have taken some ownership of the site and can ride rough shod over the rules that don't suit them.
As an example, I will only make this one post to this thread, as I no longer feel it is viable to get into any discussions, at all, on any subject where there might be interaction with this small group.

I wish this had been a poll instead.

[KGT1200]

Name some names; call some people out. Otherwise, I have no idea what you all are talking about. The MOA forum is the most touchy-feely forum I'm on.

Nathan,

I don’t call anyone out here because that would be against the rules I'm not touchy feely over this, but want EVERYONE to have to play by the same rules. Randy gets booted, Lamble gets kicked in the pants for screwing with people, and so should everyone who pulls that crap. Regardless to your perceived status, volunteerism or employment though out the BMWMOA; you still have to follow the rules. Or eliminate the rules for all, and let’s just have a free for all (NOT in my opinion)

I for one at least am not above the rules. Some get away with it, and others, like me would be summarily thrown out the door if I used the same passive aggressive theme. I started a thread this morning with an example of such "sucker punch" passive aggressive attacks, then changed my mind, because I wanted this thread to be fluid and pro-active, not frozen and static in the dog house. In other words, the idea is to communicate to the forum moderators, the forum participants to take a good look inward (including me) to see if our words and behavior may not exactly be fitting with the modality of the BMWMOA forum. Moderators, you want to take TOTs out, fine, but also equally enforce the rules concerning comments and threads that obviously are typed into this forum to incite mass insult. Don't allow it with some, and outright ignore it with others.

If you go to the rally part of the website, and look at the closed thread regarding waive faster riders by, then come back to the campfire and scroll down to childish musings and other flaming remarks or what ever it's called, and judge for your self if there is a passive aggressive theme to both threads, and many of the posts.

Did anyone go home to cry over either thread? No I doubt it, but what I do suspect is happening is some readers and participants won't go there again because of the games played and the inference made to a majority of potential participants.

You want yo mama atmosphere, go there (I don't mean you with this comment Nathan; we've discussed this stuff in a PM before).

[tommcgee]

The MOA forum is the most touchy-feely forum I'm on.

I must be reading in the wrong places.

[lamble]

Nathan,

I don’t call anyone out here
Lamble gets kicked in the pants for screwing with people, and so should everyone who pulls that crap. .

So what do you call that Red, being best buddies?

A prime example of passive aggressive and a number of other things too. I have reported your post, but am letting you know, rather than sending a post to the mods surreptitiously, that complains, "I'm sick of this guy always being right". Remember that one Red.
I know mod posts are private, however the software went awry and I had a day's access to their forum. Interesting stuff. Then, I reported it to Oldhway.

So you are correct, you don't call people out in the thread..well not to their faces anyway.

Now I have to go, otherwise I'll be breaking a promise I made to myself. Stay away from threads with opinions and no facts based in quantifiable an incontrovertible reality.

[jdmetzger]

OK, all. This is a good example of a thread that isn't going to fly, here. This immediately became personal. Thread closed.