Wave faster riders by!

[Sycklemotor]

Thanks to all involved in the Rally for your hard work. I want to bring up the issue of a troubling trend I saw during my riding days around the rally.While riding the twisty roads around the rally and beyond , I came across many riders ( Mostly Harley and BMW ) that would ruin a twisty road ride by not waving faster traffic by. I spent many years on sportbikes of all types and our policy was that if someone came up behind you ( obviously traveling faster) you move to the right and wave them by.That way you are not ruining their ride or your own. I followed Harleys that would drop their corner speeds in half and hog the whole road, and would then act ticked off when you went to pass them ( after being incredibly patient). Disturbingly I saw the same trend with several BMW GS's that thought they were ricky road racer ( one guy was even leaning the wrong way in the turns , going very slow,hanging off the bike when not necessary- it was astounding!) We finally tired of his behavior and passed. It would have been better for all if he would have just waved us through. Please, all riders, let faster traffic through. It's safer and better for all of us! Thanks!

[bmw_rider]

Slow down and smell the flowers!

[Mossy_Crk]

OP, I see where you are coming from. Please remember that motorcyclists have been working our tails off over the past several years to gain the same rights, respect, etc. as our caged friends. TN does not allow a motorcyclist to overtake another bike in the same lane. We have to obey the same restrictions to passing as the other vehicles on the road.

Especially in the areas in the region of the "Dragon," folks look for reasons to point out how riders are dangerous and reckless leading to additional directed "assistance" of the LEO community. Advocating that other motorcyclists assist you to break the law for your personal ride continues to jeopardize our collective reputation.

I greatly disagree that it's "safer and better for all of us." Public roads aren't a racetrack. Your request is just more speed for you and potentially more bad press for all of us.

[knary]

Flowers are stinky.

p.s. Petty Rants and Childish Musings (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38147) :whistle

[tnk12lt]

If I am riding at a pace that I am comfortable with and another bike comes up behind at a faster speed, I am certainly not going to hold the other rider up. It's their choice to ride at that speed. Let them go. Ride your pace. Don't impose your pace on them.

[12bswayed]

If I am riding at a pace that I am comfortable with and another bike comes up behind at a faster speed, I am certainly not going to hold the other rider up. It's their choice to ride at that speed. Let them go. Ride your pace. Don't impose your pace on them.

+1...well stated

[Greenwald]

Thanks to all involved in the Rally for your hard work. I want to bring up the issue of a troubling trend I saw during my riding days around the rally.While riding the twisty roads around the rally and beyond , I came across many riders ( Mostly Harley and BMW ) that would ruin a twisty road ride by not waving faster traffic by. I spent many years on sportbikes of all types and our policy was that if someone came up behind you ( obviously traveling faster) you move to the right and wave them by.That way you are not ruining their ride or your own. I followed Harleys that would drop their corner speeds in half and hog the whole road, and would then act ticked off when you went to pass them ( after being incredibly patient). Disturbingly I saw the same trend with several BMW GS's that thought they were ricky road racer ( one guy was even leaning the wrong way in the turns , going very slow,hanging off the bike when not necessary- it was astounding!) We finally tired of his behavior and passed. It would have been better for all if he would have just waved us through. Please, all riders, let faster traffic through. It's safer and better for all of us! Thanks!

Absolutely.

This isn't about speed, so much as it is about respecting other riders and what they're hoping to get out of a particular stretch of road.

Be courteous to faster / better / (or even more reckless!) riders coming up behind you on twisty roads and let them pass as soon as you can safely move over.

Makes a better ride for them and for you.

[Mossy_Crk]

So you (don't want to confuse you with the GS guys just pretending) came up behind other riders, passed them after waiting patiently, and went on your way?

Just what is the real issue?

[85138]

Faster than I am? When does that happen? :)
Just Kidding. I wave faster riders by if they're at a faster pace and there's no passing lane.

[Sycklemotor]

Absolutely.

This isn't about speed, so much as it is about respecting other riders and what they're hoping to get out of a particular stretch of road.

Be courteous to faster / better / (or even more reckless!) riders coming up behind you on twisty roads and let them pass as soon as you can safely move over.

Makes a better ride for them and for you.

I think Greenwald says it best. He gets it. Most do, some don't. ( or ever will).
Sycklemotor

[pffog]

OP, I see where you are coming from. Please remember that motorcyclists have been working our tails off over the past several years to gain the same rights, respect, etc. as our caged friends. TN does not allow a motorcyclist to overtake another bike in the same lane. We have to obey the same restrictions to passing as the other vehicles on the road.

Especially in the areas in the region of the "Dragon," folks look for reasons to point out how riders are dangerous and reckless leading to additional directed "assistance" of the LEO community. Advocating that other motorcyclists assist you to break the law for your personal ride continues to jeopardize our collective reputation.

I greatly disagree that it's "safer and better for all of us." Public roads aren't a racetrack. Your request is just more speed for you and potentially more bad press for all of us.



I can't believe LEO would ever write that ticket. I understand the purpose of the law, but if someone, car or MC moves over, they are being courteous and enhancing safety.

As far as the race track I agree, but many riders literally park in corners, which is not safe either.

We all learned to share and be courteous before we were 5 years old, too bad the lesson didn't stick for a lot of people.

[98098]

OP, I see where you are coming from. Please remember that motorcyclists have been working our tails off over the past several years to gain the same rights, respect, etc. as our caged friends. TN does not allow a motorcyclist to overtake another bike in the same lane. We have to obey the same restrictions to passing as the other vehicles on the road.

Especially in the areas in the region of the "Dragon," folks look for reasons to point out how riders are dangerous and reckless leading to additional directed "assistance" of the LEO community. Advocating that other motorcyclists assist you to break the law for your personal ride continues to jeopardize our collective reputation.

I greatly disagree that it's "safer and better for all of us." Public roads aren't a racetrack. Your request is just more speed for you and potentially more bad press for all of us.


Follow the rules of the road, period.

If you want to move over into a turn out, please do, I will pass you then. Some states it is required. If not I will wait for a passing zone for a clean pass.

I had plenty to pass today on the Beartooth Pass (my back yard:laugh:laugh:laugh), my those harleys are slow!!!!:bolt

[ragtoplvr]

I also move to the right to let a faster rider thru.

I will usually slow down a bit so they have plenty of room, and so if they are not finished by the next corner I have lots of margin.

I do wish they would pass with both wheels on the ground. Wheeling is just plain rude.

Not that I am slow or anything:whistle

I guess one time when I choose to pass a harley group who was blocking the road taking corners at less then the recommended speed that even a fully loaded semi truck is safe. I guess several of them felt like riding faster, because they sped up. I don't know, maybe they wanted to talk bikes or something. I actually slowed down a bit and let them think they could keep up. Until a nice really twisty part of the road arrived, then I resumed my pace. Never saw them again.

For some reason I was thinking of the Mark Twain story about the city dog and the coyote.

rod

[moshaffer]

So the gyst of this is faster is safer?? Sorry, I pay road taxes like everyone else so I'll take my little piece of the road thank you very much. I do wave the idiots, I mean faster better riders on though to get them away. You can also see a lot of these faster better riders picking their rides up off the Dragon, in the ditch, over the bank etc. quite often and some of them even get a free ride in the ambulance. I might also add not just the HD and crotch rocket crowd either. Must be something magical about BMWs?:dunno

[cgragg]

So the gyst of this is faster is safer?? Sorry, I pay road taxes like everyone else so I'll take my little piece of the road thank you very much. I do wave the idiots, I mean faster better riders on though to get them away. You can also see a lot of these faster better riders picking their rides up off the Dragon, in the ditch, over the bank etc. quite often and some of them even get a free ride in the ambulance. I might also add not just the HD and crotch rocket crowd either. Must be something magical about BMWs?:dunnoI have always moved over if someone wants to ride faster than me ! Also I like it when they let me pass .Because its hard to to follow some of those HDs.And you can do this while still in your comfort zone.And don't think faster is safer,its all about your level of comfort.:doh

[knary]

So the gyst of this is faster is safer?? Sorry, I pay road taxes like everyone else so I'll take my little piece of the road thank you very much. I do wave the idiots, I mean faster better riders on though to get them away. You can also see a lot of these faster better riders picking their rides up off the Dragon, in the ditch, over the bank etc. quite often and some of them even get a free ride in the ambulance. I might also add not just the HD and crotch rocket crowd either. Must be something magical about BMWs?:dunno

The speed you choose is the one "safe" speed for all riders? :ear

[Greenwald]

So the gyst of this is faster is safer?? Sorry, I pay road taxes like everyone else so I'll take my little piece of the road thank you very much. I do wave the idiots, I mean faster better riders on though to get them away. You can also see a lot of these faster better riders picking their rides up off the Dragon, in the ditch, over the bank etc. quite often and some of them even get a free ride in the ambulance. I might also add not just the HD and crotch rocket crowd either. Must be something magical about BMWs?:dunno

No..... "faster is safer" only applies when being chased by a grizzly bear or a divorce lawyer.

But few of us ride identical to another biker, so why not let riders pass who wish to operate at speeds and abilities (or often 'lack thereof') so different from ours that riding in unison (i.e. holding up the pack) does not contribute to road safety.

I suspect that many of the riders I let by me, say on HWY 129 ("Dragon"), will soon be a sad statistic. But 'holding' them on my tail end doesn't contribute to a pleasant ride for me either, so I send them on their way as soon as an open stretch of road allows.

By the way, I came thru Maggie Valley on the way back from the Rally.........very pretty little town and main drag you have there. Is there really dancing in that huge dance hall that was on my right as I headed NW?

Ride Safe and Aware.

[Visian]

Sorry, I pay road taxes like everyone else so I'll take my little piece of the road thank you very much. I do wave the idiots, I mean faster better riders on though to get them away.

with absolutely no disrespect intended, it is not your position to judge the rider coming up behind you.

the logic being applied here is the same as the person who says "i am driving exactly the speed limit in the left (aka: passing) lane so there is no reason to move to the right and let the 15 drivers following me to pass."

and as long as i am ranting, what is it about people's absolute refusal to use turnouts in the mountains?

ian

[Visian]

By the way, I came thru Maggie Valley on the way back from the Rally.........very pretty little town and main drag you have there. Is there really dancing in that huge dance hall that was on my right as I headed NW?


yup, with sawdust on the floor for some real s***-kickin' :twirl

[GSfornow]

Let me put it this way - If you have a faster rider behind you why not pull to the right and wave them by at a spot you choose rather than having them pass you when they choose? Sounds safer to me. Let them go by and enjoy your ride.

[wuli959]

why is this topic in the rally forum?

[rmarkr]

For your own safety, let the rider who catches up to you through - especialy if his speed is suicidal. If you don't, you force him to sit on your tail, waiting for a gap, or having to make a dangerous pass in an unsuitable situation. I would much rather have the danger in front of me, where I have control of the situation. For those who speed up as they are about to be overtaken - wise up. You are putting yourself, and the other rider in grave danger. There will always be riders faster, and slower than you.
It gives me a 'feel good' to let someone past, and I want to see him/her, what they ride, how they ride, and if I can learn something from them. It also makes the meeting at the next gas station a whole lot more pleasant.

[KGT1200]

This whole thread smells like a troll

There will always be people who roll faster and there will also be people who roll faster than they should and risk public safety.

There will always be people who go slow, and like to think themselves policemen of the faster set, and people who like to smell the flowers and stay within the speed limit.

No amount of "discussion"will change that; it's been going on for many, many years and not exclusive to motorcycles.

It has nothing to do with age or airhead, sorry to break it to the musers of the crowd. It has to do with personal choice.

[bmw_rider]

with absolutely no disrespect intended, it is not your position to judge the rider coming up behind you.

the logic being applied here is the same as the person who says "i am driving exactly the speed limit in the left (aka: passing) lane so there is no reason to move to the right and let the 15 drivers following me to pass."

and as long as i am ranting, what is it about people's absolute refusal to use turnouts in the mountains?

ian

Except in your example the law requires slower moving vehicles to move to the right (full) lane, and faster vehicles to remain with in the speedlimit.

I am not suggesting those 'slower' riders play policeman, but they are entitled to use the road just as much as the 'fast' rider. They are entitled to be able to 'hold their line' on the PUBLIC highway, just as on the track a racer in the lead is entitled to hold their line.

[DarrylRi]

There will always be people who go slow, and like to think themselves policemen of the faster set, and people who like to smell the flowers and stay within the speed limit.


I disagree with this. In North America, it seems that being passed is an affront to one's sense of self (I'd say manhood, but women show the tendency just as much).

However, I have been fortunate enough to do some riding in Europe, and there it is simply NO BIG THING to be passed; in fact, it's expected. The drivers and riders there are trained to do it. And there is ALWAYS someone who is faster.

There is a certain amount of courtesy in the general Bay Area that I have seen, with people often (but not always) using the turnouts or waving faster road users on. I have seen more of this courtesy in the countrysides of Texas on my trips there.

But in general here, the attitude is that people driving slower than I am are idiots and people driving faster are reckless, and it's my job to make sure they all understand this!

[bmw_rider]

And the laws in Europe allow it. Just as in CA lane splitting is permitted, generally in the rest of the US it is not.

[KGT1200]

I disagree with this. In North America, it seems that being passed is an affront to one's sense of self (I'd say manhood, but women show the tendency just as much).

However, I have been fortunate enough to do some riding in Europe, and there it is simply NO BIG THING to be passed; in fact, it's expected. The drivers and riders there are trained to do it. And there is ALWAYS someone who is faster.

There is a certain amount of courtesy in the general Bay Area that I have seen, with people often (but not always) using the turnouts or waving faster road users on. I have seen more of this courtesy in the countrysides of Texas on my trips there.

But in general here, the attitude is that people driving slower than I am are idiots and people driving faster are reckless, and it's my job to make sure they all understand this!


You disagree with some like to go slow cause they are a holes or you disagree that some like to go slow cause they like to smell the flowers?

Personally, very few have showed me attitude when being passed, and I don't usually stick around for an interview to find out their attitude. For the few times in the many years of riding (and for that matter driving) that the displeasure of being passed shows by them speeding up, I have simply aborted the pass, and let them go. Life is too short. Stop 10 minutes and have a coke and the road will be wide open again.

Wanna be policemand come in all walks of life, and it's not my job to show them the right way; I just do my best to avoid them!


Having never ridden in Europe, you have the knowledge of this as a comparison

[DarrylRi]

And the laws in Europe allow it. Just as in CA lane splitting is permitted, generally in the rest of the US it is not.

Even in Europe there are no passing zones and speed limits, but the natives there don't seem to throw a hissy fit when they are "bent".

They also don't have this feeling that they own the road. Roadways in Europe are generally smaller, and people learn to share the road with all of the road users.

[98lee]

This is a matter of courtesy not of rights.

While in some states,you may have the RIGHT to impede other traffic at your choosing, it doesn't mean that that is the courteous thing to do.

The OP was just suggesting we all use a little courtesy.

Being rude because you have a right :deal is still being rude.



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[DarrylRi]

You disagree with some like to go slow cause they are a holes or you disagree that some like to go slow cause they like to smell the flowers?

Sorry, I wasn't very good at picking out the part of the quote I meant. It is the former case. I like to go slow and smell the flowers occasionally -- especially on my old, slow vintage bikes -- but when I do, I also make sure to get out of the way of other people who have places to go and things to do.

Personally, very few have showed me attitude when being passed, and I don't usually stick around for an interview to find out there attitude. For the few times in the many years of riding (and for that matter driving) that the displeasure of being passed shows by them speeding up, I have simply aborted the pass, and let them go. Life is too short. Stop 10 minutes and have a coke and the road will be wide open again.

Wanna be policemand come in all walks of life, and it's not my job to show them the right way; I just do my best to avoid them!

Excellent!

Having never ridden in Europe, you have the knowledge of this as a comparison

Riding in Europe is both nicer and more difficult. The cities and roads there were not laid out on a grid pattern and getting around can be very annoying. Streets change names frequently and they are often unsigned. While France does a good job of labelling highway numbers, Germany and Italy have a tendency to only list a few of the places where a road goes.

The Europeans depend a lot more on public transport, and many live their entire lives without a drivers license, which is expensive and time consuming to obtain. There are idiots on the roads there, but the general level of training and skill is much higher than here, where we give licenses out in boxes of Frosted Flakes. They are trained to be much more flexible about road conditions and traffic. BMW and Mercedes for a long time resisted putting cup holders in their cars because you're not supposed to eat or drink while you're driving. (Even so, you have to be every bit as careful there as here, there are distracted drivers there, too.)

[pffog]

This is a matter of courtesy not of rights.
Being rude because you have a right :deal is still being rude.




Bingo!! Like I said, we learned the rules when we were toddlers, some just forgot them.

Share with others
Be courteous
Say please and thank you...etc.

Too many self righteous people that think they know best for others, Ironically most are the ones the complain the most about laws and government interfereing with their lives. :stick



Even in Europe there are no passing zones and speed limits, but the natives there don't seem to throw a hissy fit when they are "bent".

They also don't have this feeling that they own the road. Roadways in Europe are generally smaller, and people learn to share the road with all of the road users.

Oh, how I miss the driving in Europe, but only for a few more days, leave in two days to ride there again.

My theory is that the drivers in Europe are better, because with the cliffs and embankments being unprotected by Armco and stupid slow speed limits, that Darwin is still going strong. See the bad drivers did not live long enough to procreate and teach their bad habits to their young.

[KGT1200]

Bingo!! Like I said, we learned the rules when we were toddlers, some just forgot them.

Share with others
Be courteous
Say please and thank you...etc.

Too many self righteous people that think they know best for others, Ironically most are the ones the complain the most about laws and government interfereing with their lives. :stick





Oh, how I miss the driving in Europe, but only for a few more days, leave in two days to ride there again.

My theory is that the drivers in Europe are better, because with the cliffs and embankments being unprotected by Armco and stupid slow speed limits, that Darwin is still going strong. See the bad drivers did not live long enough to procreate and teach their bad habits to their young.

We have friends that live in Germany that may be my ticket over there... soon!

Europe sounds like a lot of fun!

[DarrylRi]

We have friends that live in Germany that may be my ticket over there... soon!

Europe sounds like a lot of fun!

You should do your best to take advantage of this situation. Having a "home base" and people you can talk to about what you're experiencing can help a great deal.

Talk to Stefan Knopf (www.knopftours.com) about renting a K75 (or whatever else you can afford). Go in September if you can, or whenever you can make it happen.

You will be sorry you waited so long to do it.

[bmw_rider]

Bingo!! Like I said, we learned the rules when we were toddlers, some just forgot them.

Share with others
Be courteous
Say please and thank you...etc.

Too many self righteous people that think they know best for others, Ironically most are the ones the complain the most about laws and government interfereing with their lives. :stick


It really works both ways.......why should the 'slower' driver give up their line to ''move out of the way'' on a public highway? What am I missing in this arguement? If I am the slower driver how am I being discourteous to others by holding my line and riding within laws and capablities? Don't get me wrong, I have been passed by others, and on occaision pass others, but I don't expect them to get out of my way for me to do so, or to wave me by. I assess the situation and pass when safe for all.

[AntonLargiader]

[QUOTE=pffog;485248]It really works both ways.......why should the 'slower' driver give up their line to ''move out of the way'' on a public highway?

Because a) he really isn't giving anything up, and b) he helps to dissipate congestion, which makes everyone's ride safer.

Of course there's always the courtesy thing, but that apparently doesn't carry weight with everyone.

[knary]

It really works both ways.......why should the 'slower' driver give up their line to ''move out of the way'' on a public highway? What am I missing in this arguement? If I am the slower driver how am I being discourteous to others by holding my line and riding within laws and capablities? Don't get me wrong, I have been passed by others, and on occaision pass others, but I don't expect them to get out of my way for me to do so, or to wave me by. I assess the situation and pass when safe for all.

There is a balance. If I catch up with someone riding at a slower pace, I give them time to find a comfortable place to move over. If such a place comes and goes time and again, they're being rude. If I blast by them in the middle of a curve, I'm being rude and likely more than just that. Courtesy goes both ways.

We are smaller, faster, and can more easily give room to another motorcyclist. And, very importantly, more easily communicate our intentions to one another. With passing lanes, as we all know, rarely set with us in mind, I expect to be waved by if there is room. We all gain in that exchange and the slower rider loses nothing.

[SIBUD]

[QUOTE=bmw_rider;485283]

Because a) he really isn't giving anything up, and b) he helps to dissipate congestion, which makes everyone's ride safer.

Of course there's always the courtesy thing, but that apparently doesn't carry weight with everyone.

Well said.

[Ted]

There is a balance. If I catch up with someone riding at a slower pace, I give them time to find a comfortable place to move over. If such a place comes and goes time and again, they're being rude. If I blast by them in the middle of a curve, I'm being rude and likely more than just that. Courtesy goes both ways.

Well said. Years ago a fellow BMW rider passed me on a left-hand sweeper, unannounced and in my lane, and in the process his right bag clipped my left one forcing me up and out of my line and into the gravel shoulder. I recovered and got it back on the pavement but I spent the next 10 minutes trying to catch up to him so I could beat the living hell out of him.

[TexanRT]

There is a balance. If I catch up with someone riding at a slower pace, I give them time to find a comfortable place to move over. If such a place comes and goes time and again, they're being rude. If I blast by them in the middle of a curve, I'm being rude and likely more than just that. Courtesy goes both ways.

We are smaller, faster, and can more easily give room to another motorcyclist. And, very importantly, more easily communicate our intentions to one another. With passing lanes, as we all know, rarely set with us in mind, I expect to be waved by if there is room. We all gain in that exchange and the slower rider loses nothing.

:thumb I think that's a prudent and courteous approach -- pass at their convenience -- but if they persist in holding their line --- I pass at mine.

[Visian]

There is a balance. If I catch up with someone riding at a slower pace, I give them time to find a comfortable place to move over. If such a place comes and goes time and again, they're being rude. If I blast by them in the middle of a curve, I'm being rude and likely more than just that. Courtesy goes both ways.

i do the same thing, sometimes adding a horn beep to make sure the person ahead is aware i am there.

after two chances and a beep.... :burnout

[98lee]

It really works both ways.......why should the 'slower' driver give up their line to ''move out of the way'' on a public highway? What am I missing in this arguement? If I am the slower driver how am I being discourteous to others by holding my line and riding within laws and capablities? Don't get me wrong, I have been passed by others, and on occaision pass others, but I don't expect them to get out of my way for me to do so, or to wave me by. I assess the situation and pass when safe for all.

No one is talking about giving up the line to the corner you're in at the moment. Just at the next convenient opportunity (usually a straight). Usually you don't even have to deviate position, just signal that you are aware of him and point him by. Maybe not push so hard into the next corner so you both can have plenty of time for the pass to be completed. It's not rocket science. It's courtesy.

As others have said, after reasonable time and opportunity, it just becomes plain rude not to let faster traffic by.

Sort of like walking down a sidewalk with friends 4 abreast and not moving out of others way "because I don't have to".

There is no law against acting like an ass. I just choose not to (most of the time). The world would be a much better place if more people also chose not to.



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[pffog]

We have friends that live in Germany that may be my ticket over there... soon!

Europe sounds like a lot of fun!

You will not want to come home and ride after spending some time there. If you like corners that is.

[moshaffer]

No..... "faster is safer" only applies when being chased by a grizzly bear or a divorce lawyer.

But few of us ride identical to another biker, so why not let riders pass who wish to operate at speeds and abilities (or often 'lack thereof') so different from ours that riding in unison (i.e. holding up the pack) does not contribute to road safety.

I suspect that many of the riders I let by me, say on HWY 129 ("Dragon"), will soon be a sad statistic. But 'holding' them on my tail end doesn't contribute to a pleasant ride for me either, so I send them on their way as soon as an open stretch of road allows.

By the way, I came thru Maggie Valley on the way back from the Rally.........very pretty little town and main drag you have there. Is there really dancing in that huge dance hall that was on my right as I headed NW?

Ride Safe and Aware.

There is dancing there during the season and mainly weekends of course. If you noticed the large parking lot next to the barn why that is overflowing on good nights.
Maggie Valley is a pretty little town with to much signage and I mean way to much.Waynesville next door is really nice also and more artsy with a couple of good resteraunts.:drink

[coalminer]

Hey...what does everyone think about those KERMIT CAMPING CHAIRS? :brow

[OU812]

If I am riding at a pace that I am comfortable with and another bike comes up behind at a faster speed, I am certainly not going to hold the other rider up. It's their choice to ride at that speed. Let them go. Ride your pace. Don't impose your pace on them.
I agree.
Never had any other riders push me but felt the pain of riding well below the posted limits and suggested speeds in the corners.:stick

[Greenwald]

yup, with sawdust on the floor for some real s***-kickin' :twirl

cool!

[BeemoKat]

Hey...what does everyone think about those KERMIT CAMPING CHAIRS? :brow

I like them, I bought one.
Now back to the thread...all I ask from faster riders is that they show me the same courtesy that I show slower riders (yes, there are slower riders than me, lol); just make the pass in a safe and respectful fashion.

[98lee]

All I ask from faster riders is that they show me the same courtesy that I show slower riders (yes, there are slower riders than me, lol); just make the pass in a safe and respectful fashion.



:thumb




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[BubbaZanetti]

I like them, I bought one.
Now back to the thread...all I ask from faster riders is that they show me the same courtesy that I show slower riders (yes, there are slower riders than me, lol); just make the pass in a safe and respectful fashion.

yup.

by the way, if you're riding slow enough to be the focus of these "musings" you don't have much of a "line" to worry about.:laugh

[BeemoKat]

yup.

by the way, if you're riding slow enough to be the focus of these "musings" you don't have much of a "line" to worry about.:laugh

I'm right in the middle...faster 'n some, slower 'n others!

[Mossy_Crk]

...all I ask from faster riders is that they show me the same courtesy that I show slower riders...just make the pass in a safe and respectful fashion.

Bingo

[knary]

yup.

by the way, if you're riding slow enough to be the focus of these "musings" you don't have much of a "line" to worry about.:laugh

He who is without sin...

:ha

[UncleHowie]

I'm right in the middle...faster 'n some, slower 'n others!

Me, too...

I'm not slow, not fast, I'm just kind of "half-fast...":p

[Brettendress]

I usually ride at a brisk pace and most of the time when I come up on slower bikes (usually packs) they never move over. One exception was a group of female riders on the Blue Ridge who moved over and waved me by. Wish the men would do the same. When I'm in the mood to ride slow usually on one of my antiques I always move over, nothing to prove I always ride my own game and never try to prove any points by speeding up and riding faster than I want. Point being slow riders move please, thanks

Brett Endress
Altoona Pa

[henzilla]

It really works both ways.......why should the 'slower' driver give up their line to ''move out of the way'' on a public highway? What am I missing in this arguement? If I am the slower driver how am I being discourteous to others by holding my line and riding within laws and capablities? Don't get me wrong, I have been passed by others, and on occaision pass others, but I don't expect them to get out of my way for me to do so, or to wave me by. I assess the situation and pass when safe for all.

A lot of roads are marked "Slower traffic stay right" It doesn't mean you are doing anything wrong if they are faster than you doing the speed limit according to your readout. It means move over and let them go on by.Their speedometer may be different than yours:brow

Now those sportbike yahoos that passed us the other day outside of Albuquerque at 100 MPH barely clearing me in heavy traffic....That's a bit different and I expected to see one of them on his side in a few miles.

[jaherbst]

Absolutely.

This isn't about speed, so much as it is about respecting other riders and what they're hoping to get out of a particular stretch of road.

Be courteous to faster / better / (or even more reckless!) riders coming up behind you on twisty roads and let them pass as soon as you can safely move over.

Makes a better ride for them and for you.

As quoated before, it is against the law in most states to pass another veihicle in the same lane. Those doing so are disrespectful of their fellow rider and endangering them and also themselves. Pull over ten feet and pass in the other lane. Is that so hard? What's the rush? Don't be rude and expect every one else to step aside so you can have your fun at their expense!

[Rob Nye]

As mentioned many times why ignore what is going on behind you? If there is a line of traffic because you want to play "road ranger" you are endangering yourself and everyone else jammed up behind you.

Pull over to the side and let people pass. Is that so hard? What's the problem with letting faster traffic (especially fellow riders) pass? Don't be rude and expect everyone else to "turtle up" behind you.

You are going to get passed one way or another. The longer you are a rolling log jam the better the chances the pass will be angry and unsafe.

[jaherbst]

There is a balance. If I catch up with someone riding at a slower pace, I give them time to find a comfortable place to move over. If such a place comes and goes time and again, they're being rude. If I blast by them in the middle of a curve, I'm being rude and likely more than just that. Courtesy goes both ways.

We are smaller, faster, and can more easily give room to another motorcyclist. And, very importantly, more easily communicate our intentions to one another. With passing lanes, as we all know, rarely set with us in mind, I expect to be waved by if there is room. We all gain in that exchange and the slower rider loses nothing.

So, we are supposed to make up our own rules and laws when on the road because we are "smaller,faster, and can more easily give room to another motorcyclist". I must be missing something here. Not all people are comfortable with another bike that close to them at the higher speed limits. Don't expect others to give up their own personal safety margine so you can have a little more fun, go faster, or show off to your buddys.

[BubbaZanetti]

The longer you are a rolling log jam the better the chances the pass will be angry and unsafe.


most intelligent statement in this thread.

your desire to be safe, do the speed limit (or under) and intentionally or unintentionally teach those behind you "a lesson" only creates a less safe environment for everyone.

[98lee]

I must be missing something here.



Yes. Courtesy.





:dance:dance:dance

[tessler]

Here's what I think.

I think the slow guys should go a bit faster and use pullouts when appropriate...

... and the fast guys should pass the slow guys...

... and everyone should wave.

(and bring more beer and brats to the next campfire)

[BeemoKat]

...and just in case this horse isn't completely dead yet, one more lash!

[KGT1200]

It just dawned on me the times I've ben perturbed over slow riders.

EVERY time it has been packs of riders that have gotten my dander flyin;

Groups of "follow the leader" type of rider who start into a corner on one line, then "whoops! I'm not going to make it" then adjust the line, then "whoops" and adjust it again, just like the follow the leader in front of them, for miles with no regard of who is behind them!!

Blind leading the blind, I think.

Anyways, the group makes it impossible to safely buzz on by, and they of course, they are not going to give an inch of turf to let you by. A single rider? Easy to pass, in fact if that's your main bitch in life, your problem is getting by one guy, a single rider who won't grind to a halt to let you by, then I (ahem) have to questions your skills in most situations; it's the group that makes you either stop and let them go, or drop a gear and pass on a margin of safety!

The usual single rider offers no real threat, or IMHO worth grinding one's teeth about!

[aaaaaa]

"It just dawned on me the times I've ben perturbed over slow riders."
Why would motorcycle riders perturb you? How do you feel when behind cement or logging trucks? Oh no... the ultimate nightmare... an RV pulling a motorcycle trailer. The speed limit and double yellow line is there for a reason. It's a road not a race track.
aaaaaa

[knary]

Passing lanes are designs for 1982 Chrysler LeBarons with carburetor problems.

[henzilla]

And the horse is still running...:laugh

I have to agree most passing lanes are throwback engineering and a blanket fix for the general populations bad driving skills...regardless of vehicle. Most times I am not speeding when I pass whomever is ahead of me... Not always, but most of the time. When a double yellow is on a straight section of road, one has to wonder. And if you are ahead of me doing 5-10 under the limit...I am passing. That vehicle is holding up traffic and is as guilty as the speeder IMHO.

:stick to the horse

[knary]

And the horse is still running...:laugh

I have to agree most passing lanes are throwback engineering and a blanket fix for the general populations bad driving skills...regardless of vehicle. Most times I am not speeding when I pass whomever is ahead of me... Not always, but most of the time. When a double yellow is on a straight section of road, one has to wonder. And if you are ahead of me doing 5-10 under the limit...I am passing. That vehicle is holding up traffic and is as guilty as the speeder IMHO.

:stick to the horse

Under the limit?
Is that your limit or the speed limit?
:hide

[The_Veg]

I'm not slow, not fast, I'm just kind of "half-fast...":p

I like to tell people that I don't so much ride 'fast' as I ride 'quick.' A good sporty medium, if you will. :D

[The_Veg]

Here's what I think.

I think the slow guys should go a bit faster and use pullouts when appropriate...

... and the fast guys should pass the slow guys...

Yes.

... and everyone should wave.

Yes!

(and bring more beer and brats to the next campfire)

*YESYESYESYES!!!!!*

[GrafikFeat]

Just pass them (safely) and the problem is behind you.

Just ride.
:lurk

[bogthebasher]

Are we really sure this thread should end? :bolt

[henzilla]

Under the limit?
Is that your limit or the speed limit?
:hide


:doh the posted limit and you are slower than that... My limit seems to be infinite at times:laugh

[haughty]

:doh the posted limit and you are slower than that... My limit seems to be infinite at times:laugh

is infinite speed faster than Plaid?

[jaherbst]

most intelligent statement in this thread.

your desire to be safe, do the speed limit (or under) and intentionally or unintentionally teach those behind you "a lesson" only creates a less safe environment for everyone.

Opinions are kind of like a-- Holes. Everybody has one. It does not mean yours is any better or mine is any worse. Your viewpoint is only from where you stand. I never ride any slower than the speed limit nor am I compelled to pull over and delay my ride for someone to break the law or endanger those around me.

No one knows the abilities of the speeding passers. They can certainly wait until the next safe and legal place to pass if I am riding the speed limit. Who can argue with that unless they are totally rude,crude and socially unacceptable. I am tired of people acting rude and giving the entire motorcycle community a black eye. Let us all be courteous, abide by the law and not have such an overwelming opionon of ourselves to expect everyone else to pull off the road when doing the speed limit so they can speed.

[Greenwald]

As quoated before, it is against the law in most states to pass another veihicle in the same lane. Those doing so are disrespectful of their fellow rider and endangering them and also themselves. Pull over ten feet and pass in the other lane. Is that so hard? What's the rush? Don't be rude and expect every one else to step aside so you can have your fun at their expense!

Actually, Wisconsin mirrors many other states in that two motorcycles may operate side-by-side in the same lane with the consent of both motorcyclists.

In the event either one of the motorcyclists objects, the other bike must either slow down or speed up. No 'prohibition' against the 'passing' having occurred in the same lane.

Ergo, move over a couple of feet, motion a faster, more skilled or simply reckless rider by, and get back to enjoying your ride. :deal

[KGT1200]

"It just dawned on me the times I've ben perturbed over slow riders."
Why would motorcycle riders perturb you? How do you feel when behind cement or logging trucks? Oh no... the ultimate nightmare... an RV pulling a motorcycle trailer. The speed limit and double yellow line is there for a reason. It's a road not a race track.
aaaaaa

perturb - disturb in mind or make uneasy or cause to be worried or alarmed.
No, cement trucks and logging don't do this to me; they are fairly predictable, and pick their lines well. Your reaction to my post really makes me wonder about you, and why I'm the target of your remarks after ALL the posts on this thread supporting or not supporting pulling over for the faster rider!. I don't believe I once mentioned about crossing double yellow OR illegally speeding.

[DarrylRi]

I just don't get the "hall monitor" mentality on display. If you are riding along at what you think is a safe and sane speed, and someone comes up behind you -- even without considering the courtesy aspect -- why wouldn't you wave them past for safety's sake?

If I think someone is being unsafe, I want them to be well away from me so I am not a part of whatever mayhem they end up in, rather than having them hanging on my tail and involving me in their accident. This is just basic safe riding as taught by the MSF: try to separate in time and space the different hazards you encounter along the road.

If I wave them past, I can choose the time and place. If I block up the road and hold them back, then they will choose -- and I might not like their choice.

[Mossy_Crk]

I just don't get the "hall monitor" mentality on display.

It's about being the hall monitor. This is about saying riders similar to the OP should not expect other riders on the road to bend to their will and style. Just as it is not my job to police your actions it's not my job to make your ride meet your standards.

Having helped evaluate and train numerous riders on road, I feel comfortable saying that novice riders are not always capable of riding to make you feel better. They are doing all they can to ride at a minimum level of safety (working to improve). There are certainly enough riders out there not capable of holding an appropriate line and find themselves drifting back and forth from yellow to white lines and back. Passing in the same lane as these folks is dangerous for both of you.

Do you pass subcompacts in the same lane? They aren't much wider than some bikes with large panniers.

I'm not discussing making these passes when an experienced rider waves you by. That's great and fine and comfortable and safe for both of you. The OP was specifically talking about unskilled riders (ricky road racer was it?). Pass when and how it's safe and quit expecting others to make your ride for you.

[tessler]

I just don't get the "hall monitor" mentality on display. If you are riding along at what you think is a safe and sane speed, and someone comes up behind you -- even without considering the courtesy aspect -- why wouldn't you wave them past for safety's sake?

If I think someone is being unsafe, I want them to be well away from me so I am not a part of whatever mayhem they end up in, rather than having them hanging on my tail and involving me in their accident. This is just basic safe riding as taught by the MSF: try to separate in time and space the different hazards you encounter along the road.

If I wave them past, I can choose the time and place. If I block up the road and hold them back, then they will choose -- and I might not like their choice.+1. It seems to me that you are describing the essence of riding one's own ride, Darryl.

I totally dig that.

[kgadley01]

at the national Rally, we were on a nice ride down to Boone,NC for lunch. I came upon a rider that seemed unsure of himself in the turns. I waited till we got to one of those uphill passing lanes to make my move. but he held the left lane and refused to move to the right lane. I don't like to pass on the right, so I went far left(on coming) lane to get by quickly. I didn't blow my horn or make any gestures at the other rider. I just passed and went on my way. my fellow riders behind me(I was leading) were not so kind. at the next rest stop, we discussed what happened at length. I stood by my decission to not upset the other rider. I think it was about 3 to 1 against me. Oh well, I guess I'm just a nice guy...LOL

[DarrylRi]

It's about being the hall monitor. This is about saying riders similar to the OP should not expect other riders on the road to bend to their will and style. Just as it is not my job to police your actions it's not my job to make your ride meet your standards.

Having helped evaluate and train numerous riders on road, I feel comfortable saying that novice riders are not always capable of riding to make you feel better. They are doing all they can to ride at a minimum level of safety (working to improve). There are certainly enough riders out there not capable of holding an appropriate line and find themselves drifting back and forth from yellow to white lines and back. Passing in the same lane as these folks is dangerous for both of you.

Do you pass subcompacts in the same lane? They aren't much wider than some bikes with large panniers.

I'm not discussing making these passes when an experienced rider waves you by. That's great and fine and comfortable and safe for both of you. The OP was specifically talking about unskilled riders (ricky road racer was it?). Pass when and how it's safe and quit expecting others to make your ride for you.

So, how does it affect even novice riders to have a tailback of vehicles behind them?

I own and ride some older bikes with performance envelopes not equal to today's vehicles. I absolutely hate having people bunch up behind me, and I work hard to get them around me safely. I can and do wave cars around me in spite of double yellows.

Regarding cars, it does happen occasionally (not every day, mind you), that someone here in California will wave me around them. The situation is much safer than if I take the initiative where the state has decided I shouldn't pass, because both of us are aware of what's going on and the driver has decided that there's a place for both of us.

[KGT1200]

At risk of being ridiculed here by the experts, cause I'm only a guy who rides bikes, I consider passing as going by another vehicle in a safe and controlled manner, usually using the other lane, and usually abiding by the markings on the road. Not always legal in terms of speed, and sometimes infringe on the lines a tad, is always done in a manner I deem is safe, and always done in a manner that the person (s) about to be overtaken have ample time to understand I'm coming by.

In the same token, when I have been overtaken by a blur of whining metal on two wheels it usually is done in total disregard of safety, in total disregard to road markings, is unannounced, and has been within the confines of my lane without giving me the opportunity to get over. I would always get over if someone approached from the rear, as would most people who have commented here for a varity of reasons.

This kind of pass can’t be called a "pass", and is more accurately could be described as a "buzz" The "buzz" also appears to be done in a flurry of repressed emotions (it seems anyway). Although the times this has occurred to me have been few, and the times I have done this to others have been NONE, I know it happens, and needs addressed with some people who call themselves motorcyclists. But maybe not in this old mans group, anyways. We are preaching to the choir of safety!

New riders as I described in an earlier post may be rattled by being passed, but if the pass is done in a controlled manner, I don't see it necessary to split their lane. If they don't move over, just take a deep breath, and wait for a legal spot to pass. All of this, of course IMHO.

[knary]

One man's pass is another man's buzz.

I asked someone to please be quiet the other night. He responded with a string of profanities. Apparently my asking him to keep it down at 2 am was rude.

[BubbaZanetti]

One man's pass is another man's buzz.

I asked someone to please be quiet the other night. He responded with a string of profanities. Apparently my asking him to keep it down at 2 am was rude.

levels

[Statdawg]

One man's pass is another man's buzz.

I asked someone to please be quiet the other night. He responded with a string of profanities. Apparently my asking him to keep it down at 2 am was rude.

Not during one of those pickles and ice cream moments was it ? Think about it as training for 3 AM crying. :stick

[GrafikFeat]

Reading these posts reminds me why I really dislike large group rides and squid spots like the "dragon".
Why would I go somewhere to get in line?
There are soooo many roads out there that one would be hard pressed to even see another rider let alone a vehicle of any kind.
I used to ride for hours in the Adirondacks on some really beautiful roads and never see anyone...
The same goes for Washington State...
If you did it was usually a fellow rider with the same idea... Solitude.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim_popper/3025741781/" title="Chinook Pass. by GrafikFeat, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3025741781_ce21d7f322.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Chinook Pass." /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim_popper/2619006163/" title="Dry Roads. by GrafikFeat, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2619006163_d3e138aa8b.jpg" width="500" height="335" alt="Dry Roads." /></a>

Until they invent a two headed motorcycle helmet riding is a solitary 'sport'.

[coalminer]

I pass slower riders/drivers but only where the law and safe riding will allow.

I allow faster riders to pass me whenever they can and want to. I sometimes pull over to let them pass if I can and want to.

I believe in the idea of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and this usually works out pretty well.

Sometimes it doesn't and I'll spend a few miles thinking of doing to them as they've done unto me. I usually get over it...usually.

Ride fast (if you want to), ride safe, be well.

[kgadley01]

One man's pass is another man's buzz.

I asked someone to please be quiet the other night. He responded with a string of profanities. Apparently my asking him to keep it down at 2 am was rude.

Knary, thats funny... in my neck of the woods you may have been shot at!!!

[E_Page]

If you are driving or riding as if it is your prerogative or duty to enforce a speed limit you feel is safe and proper by attempting to keep others from getting by (I think there is another thread about 2 lane highways along these lines), you should be passed, and perhaps even buzzed.

I try to keep an eye on what's going on all around, including what or who might be coming up behind me (where'd that CHP come from?). If I see another bike coming up behind and there isn't an adjacent clear lane, I will always move over to the edge of the lane and signal the other rider through. I usually move over even if there is a clear adjacent lane. I've often had other riders afford me the same courtesy.

On the private road I live on, where my kids often walk or ride their bikes, I will enforce the speed limit. Anywhere else, it's neither my duty nor my prerogative to do so, so I don't.

[GrafikFeat]

...you should be ... perhaps even buzzed.

Wow. :huh

[BubbaZanetti]

perhaps a good day on the road makes me a bit blasé, but rarely can i get myself very worked up over dumb things other drivers do. "potentials" or "past potentials" for that matter just don't make me mad. someone passes me rudely? as long as it didn't do anything to impede my journey, i really don't care. if people could get over the "people should do what i do" mentality, i think everyone's blood pressure would come down a little bit. if i a skilled rider makes a successful pass at high speed my mind usually registers a "go get em' pal".

[BeemoKat]

Coming home from a swap-meet, I was doing 60-65 on a 55 mph speed limit two-lane highway. Maybe a quarter mile ahead of me, two Harleys, both two-up, pull out of a driveway and proceed, side by side, down the road doing about 35. Needless to say, it did not take me long to catch up to them and I slowed down until there was a good opportunity in the oncoming traffic lane. When oncoming traffic cleared, I down-shifted, signalled, crossed the dividing line, passed, and when I had a sufficient gap between myself and them, signalled. crossed back into our lane, and continued on my way. About 15 seconds later, I heard an enormous roar of exhaust pipes, checked my mirrors, and to my chagrin, saw they were closing fast, on either side of OUR lane! They both whipped past me (one on each side, same lane), and then 200 yards ahead of me, they braked hard and pulled into a parking lot. With a great deal of difficulty, I let my better judgment prevail, passed the driveway, and went on home. Now, what did I do to deserve that?

[E_Page]

Now, what did I do to deserve that?

You dared to pass two HD bikers and embarrass them in front of their Ol' Ladies. Worse, you did so on one of those snooty European sissy bikes, and so must be some sissy yuppie trying to make a statement that you and your bike was better than them and their bikes. They needed to correct your thinking on that.

Doesn't need to make sense. It just is.

I've had a couple of spite passes like that. They've both been HDs.

But, if somebody passes me, even if it's a spite pass or they buzz by, if they've cause no harm and don't impede my progress, I quickly get over it.

[GrafikFeat]

Here's why...

I love the commentary in this video...

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"They're gonna beat our asses..."
I would for such a stupid comment...

[rinty]

A few days ago, during a trip in the B.C. Kootenays, I was passed by one of the fastest guys I have ever seen, and who was riding a Harley. I was in a Porsche Carrera, and I managed to hang on to him for a while, but my co-pilot was getting a bit stressed, so I backed off. It was a real pleasure to watch this guy ride.

In Nakusp, I spotted him in a parking lot, so I pulled over and said: "It's nice to see someone riding a Harley like it should be ridden." He gave me the big grin.

[RTFlyer]

"Here's why." what???

Anyway, did that rider think that there was a straightaway ahead?? That's a scary exhibit of MC skills. A HD rider here was hurt badly a few weeks ago and I heard the comment that he had been riding for years, so must have been a good rider. The details of his accident speak otherwise, although I just listened.:ear His friends were blaming a cager. Keeping motorcycles upright doesn't mean that you are skilled at it.

BTW, I have no problem letting others pass me or travel at whatever speed they desire. It seems ridiculous that anyone wouldn't allow another rider/driver past. If he's got the cajones and the machine, have at it!

[knary]

Knary, thats funny... in my neck of the woods you may have been shot at!!!

He or I? :D

I'm a yankee at heart. I'll tell you how I see it. :ha

[GrafikFeat]

"Here's why." what???

Riding skill(s). On many levels.

[tommcgee]

I was thinking about this thread today when I was on a bad road in Fall River, MA heading north past the battleship. CBR rider was in the right lane at about 25 mph, getting shaken to bits and I went by him in the left lane about 65 mph on the Vstrom. As soon as the road surface changed and smoothed out, he blew by me at 80-85.

Penis issue. I laughed. At least he had the gear on.

[AntonLargiader]

As soon as the road surface changed and smoothed out, he blew by me at 80-85.

Penis issue. I laughed.

Huh? Maybe you were more comfortable on crappy pavement and he was more comfortable on smooth pavement. What's your penis have to do with it?

[tommcgee]

Huh? Maybe you were more comfortable on crappy pavement and he was more comfortable on smooth pavement. What's your penis have to do with it?

You had to be there. I left a lot out. He was obviously highly annoyed that I passed him in the first place, even though I was in the passing lane and he was coming from a different on-ramp. He passed me at high speed and then cut in front of me and slowed way down, etc. I maintained steady speed as best I could, followed him for several miles and when he peeled off on a cloverleaf, he was back to glacial speed through the turn. I think he was a new rider.

Waving people by is one thing, but there are plenty of people out there who just don't want you in front of them and will try to punish you if you are. I call it a penis issue.

[Bob1100RTC]

This thread makes me laugh. I get torn up for riding at the speed limit or maybe 5 or 10 over wearing a ballcap and tee shirt. Alot of the posters here are AGATE and shred a corner at 2 or 3 times the speed limit. You have no idea whats around that bend or whats on the road. Thats the chance you take. Thats the chance I take too but in a different respect. Hmmmm. Go figure.

[knary]

This thread makes me laugh. I get torn up for riding at the speed limit or maybe 5 or 10 over wearing a ballcap and tee shirt. Alot of the posters here are AGATE and shred a corner at 2 or 3 times the speed limit. You have no idea whats around that bend or whats on the road. Thats the chance you take. Thats the chance I take too but in a different respect. Hmmmm. Go figure.

30mph vs 50mph doesn't mean much when you're naked.

[henzilla]

You have no idea whats around that bend

As a friend recently told a timid buddy...the other end of the turn:laugh:laugh:laugh

[OU812]

Just pass them (safely) and the problem is behind you.

Just ride.
:lurk

Yes!;)

[swall]

Rode Quebec 389 into Labrador last month. About an hour out of Baie Comeau came up behind a slow moving oversize load with escort vehicles. We were in a double yellow, which I assumed meant no passing as it does in the U.S. So, followed a ways and eventually, the truck turned his left blinker on. I contemplated this for a minute and given the light traffic, I was thinking he was telling me to go ahead and pass. Which I did. Nobody got hurt.
The previous day, had the opportunity to observe Quebec drivers on QC 172 along the Saguenay River. Man, they are an aggressive lot, although not dangerous. You could be the finest canyon carver in the world and some little red car would on your rear waiting for a chance to pass. Kind of cracked me up.

[Bob1100RTC]

I have a lot more options at 30 as opposed to hangin it out at 50. When I raced mx and hare scrambles back in the day I wore all the gear cause I pushed the limit all the time. I got off more then a few times as I got tired near the end of the race. Concusion and cracked ribs were the worst injuries I suffered. I see no reason to push or even sniff the limit on the street. Thats what race tracks are for. If I go street racing in a 10 second Mustang is it ok if it has a roll cage ,I wear a 5 point belt, a fire suit and a helmet? I mean I have all the gear so why not?

[knary]

I have a lot more options at 30 as opposed to hangin it out at 50. When I raced mx and hare scrambles back in the day I wore all the gear cause I pushed the limit all the time. I got off more then a few times as I got tired near the end of the race. Concusion and cracked ribs were the worst injuries I suffered. I see no reason to push or even sniff the limit on the street. Thats what race tracks are for. If I go street racing in a 10 second Mustang is it ok if it has a roll cage ,I wear a 5 point belt, a fire suit and a helmet? I mean I have all the gear so why not?

Who's pushing the limit? :scratch
How do you know what the limit is? :scratch

Oh, you're assuming that because you don't want to go that fast it's "too fast". Gotcha.

[TexanRT]

The previous day, had the opportunity to observe Quebec drivers on QC 172 along the Saguenay River. Man, they are an aggressive lot, although not dangerous. You could be the finest canyon carver in the world and some little red car would on your rear waiting for a chance to pass. Kind of cracked me up.

Sounds something like Houston's freeways -- there's always some little car driven by some little girl nearing 3-digit speeds you've got to look out for -- and I give them plenty of room.

[rinty]

...Quebec drivers...are an aggressive lot...Swall

It's the French DNA...:)

[2old2rockNroll]

Without a doubt one of the best threads I have read on this board...seriously. Real opinions about an issue riders deal with on a daily basis. Sticky the whole freakin thing!

[OU812]

Who's pushing the limit? :scratch
How do you know what the limit is? :scratch

Oh, you're assuming that because you don't want to go that fast it's "too fast". Gotcha.
I think most will find their limit. One way or another.
;)

[GrafikFeat]

I think most will find their limit. One way or another.
;)

...as my sig-line dictates...

[GrafikFeat]

As a friend recently told a timid buddy...the other end of the turn...

Or this...

"Possible Rock Slide Injures Two More In Car Accident (Possible!?)

An accident on U.S. Highway 12 near Glenoma injured two people late Saturday night after their car struck a large rock in the road, according to the Washington State Patrol.

J. Graves-Miller, 26, of Centralia was headed west on Highway 12, near Martin Road, when his 1999 Honda Civic crashed into a large rock on the road, according to Washington State Patrol trooper Mike Herron.

After hitting the rock, the car shot into a ditch and then rolled over twice after coming to a stop.

Passing motorists notified authorities of the crash at 10:55 p.m.

Graves-Miller sustained some minor cuts and was suffering from shoulder pain, and passenger Harmony Edminster, 23, of Centralia also suffered cuts.

The couple was rushed to Morton General Hospital, where they were treated and released, according to an emergency room staff member.

The accident caused the deployment of both airbags. Their daughter, Kylie Miller, 2, was also in the car at the time of the accident, in a car seat, and was not injured in the wreck, Herron said.

A preliminary report did not specify how the rock ended up in the road but some suspect that it is yet another result of a rock slide.

On Sept. 11, three women were killed when a rockslide crushed their car while they were driving westbound on Interstate 90 through Snoqualmie Pass.

The next day, a second rockslide in the same area didn't hit any cars, but it temporarily closed two lanes of westbound I-90.

It is unclear whether the county had known of previous rockslides at this particular area such that adequate precautions and signs could have been placed to warn motorists."

[osbornk]

With the crooked roads where I live, I'm happy to let faster riders pass me. As they fly through the curves, there is a good chance they will meet Bambi's Mom or Dad or a rock. The signs that say "Watch for Fallen Rock" are not for a Native American who is lost.

[OU812]

...as my sig-line dictates...
I googled (as I don't know WTF it means:dunno) it and came right back here.:scratch:laugh
After more in-depth searching:
http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en&referrer=ign_n The cruiser. The Better.
;)

[henzilla]

Or this...

Passing motorists notified authorities of the crash at 10:55 p.m.


Another reason to not drive crooked roads in the dark I agree. Easy to outdrive your headlights at even the posted speed at times.
There are certain crooked hilly roads in our area that shed rocks after every rain and one should always take those factors into consideration as well.That rock could fall right as you get there anyways...life is unpredictable as some of the sad losses of fellow riders the past few days has indicated.


It keeps seeming to coming back to those who think faster riders means speeding riders...not always true dear friends. If you want to take every curve at the yellow sign "suggested" speed, go ahead...but as kindly suggested many times, let the others on by at the posted speed or whatever they want to do.. Not always Stupidity as your sig line mentions for someone to be going faster than you may be...just sayin'...

[knary]

All that matters is that I'm faster than you.
And if I'm not, it's because you're CRAZY!

:D

[The_Veg]

All that matters is that I'm faster than you.
And if I'm not, it's because you're CRAZY!

:D

Or as George Carlin once put it (and this one really was his), ever notice that everybody going slower than you is a moron, and everybody going faster than you is an idiot?

[henzilla]

Or as George Carlin once put it (and this one really was his), ever notice that everybody slower than you is a moron, and everybody going faster then you is an idiot?

good one:laugh:laugh:laugh

[knary]

Or as George Carlin once put it (and this one really was his), ever notice that everybody slower than you is a moron, and everybody going faster then you is an idiot?

Yep

It covers it pretty well.

I ride pretty regularly with a friend that is a former Navigator/medic in the Air Force's Combat Rescue. A scary moment in my life, drug dealers in front of my house and all, is running out of clean spoons when I want some cocoa puffs. His involved gun fire at the helicopter, whose open door he's sitting in, diving in amongst a smoking landscape. IOW, his "oh ****" meter is calibrated a little differently from mine. And you can see it from time to time when we ride. Don't even get me started on following the guy that's employed as an Air Marshal (trained to shoot bad guys in an aircraft at altitude). :ha

[jamesdunn]

Or as George Carlin once put it (and this one really was his), ever notice that everybody going slower than you is a moron, and everybody going faster than you is an idiot?

Moron and Idiot are medical terms coined to catergorize certain mental conditions. Of course, both terms have negative associations these days. Labels can become negative very quickly. Sometimes I am both, and the person who who is faster or slower than I, can be one or both. That is, an Idiot or a Moron (or both) regardless of his speed or lack thereof! Understand? :thumb

[98098]

OK People....This is simple....

Ride as fast or slow as you want. Beyond that follow the rules of the road.

Pass when it is safe to pass in a passing lane or dotted center line.

A quick HD story.


While coming back from a ride I turned on to a very quiet road with a new surface. :bolt I passed a couple of HD riders, wearing shorts and flip flops going kinda of slow. I waited for the clear passing area and went bye.

Now I do tend to ride a bit quick, 80 mph or so. I look in my rearview and one of the guys is coming up on my tail. I turn up the wick to 90 or so and he sticks with me pretty good, oh and by the way I ATGATT:dance:dance:dance.

OK, in reality if I went down at those speeds i would have been hurt, this guy in shorts did not stand a chance!!!!

[GrafikFeat]

Yer right... It is "simple".

The faster you ride... The longer your slide.

It is that simple.

[knary]

I love all the slow guys trying to rationalize their speed as the <i>right</i> speed for everyone. :ha

Ride your own ride.

[GrafikFeat]

I love all the slow guys trying to rationalize their speed as the <i>right</i> speed for everyone. :ha

Ride your own ride.

Stop projecting and take your own advice. :whistle

[knary]

Stop projecting and take your own advice. :whistle

I'm trying to, but a bunch of slow self-righteous guys keep getting in my way. :deal

[GrafikFeat]

I'm trying to, but a bunch of slow self-righteous guys keep getting in my way. :deal

Self righteousness? :scratch

Whadeva... :laugh I love watching guys pass me thinking they've invented speed.

Doing an IBA SS1000 in 16 hours is plenty fast enough.
Besides... The faster you ride the faster the ride is over.

Although, I do agree, ride yer own ride.

[knary]

Self righteousness? :scratch

Whadeva... :laugh I love watching guys pass me thinking they've invented speed.

Doing an IBA SS1000 in 16 hours is plenty fast enough.
Besides... The faster you ride the faster the ride is over.

Although, I do agree, ride yer own ride.

I have no doubt that as a cruiser rider and a sidecar to boot, that your idea of speed and mine are VERY different. If you get out of the way of the faster traffic, then we have no issue. Why make one? :scratch

[Bob_M]

Can I get the last word on this?



















word

[GrafikFeat]

I have no doubt that as a cruiser rider and a sidecar to boot, that your idea of speed and mine are VERY different. If you get out of the way of the faster traffic, then we have no issue. Why make one? :scratch

Back track and look at the start of the "issue".

Besides... I wasn't always on a cruiser. Let alone a hack.
37 years on two wheels it's time to enjoy it a bit longer on many different levels.

My comments were/are broad based where yours always seem directed at user to incite a reaction.
I see that across this board in many threads.
Then when you get your reaction you turn it around.

I never thought of blocking a fellow member until I met you.

You do the passive/aggressive thing very well.
cya.

[kgadley01]

now what was it we were talking about?????

[knary]

now what was it we were talking about?????

The difference between passive and aggressive riders? :scratch

:D

Gafikfeat,
Take a breath. We're disagreeing. If you need me to agree with you, you're going to be frustrated.

[KGT1200]

who the hell said judge not or be judged?

Nobody can determine your speed for you
and for sure better not try to judge mine for me.

Just ride your bike, man; pass me when you want
but do it in a manner it won't kill us both; that's all I ask.

[GrafikFeat]

The difference between passive and aggressive riders? :scratch

:D

Gafikfeat,
Take a breath. We're disagreeing. If you need me to agree with you, you're going to be frustrated.

I could give a RA if you agree w/ me or not.

As a 'representative' of the MOA your self importance is really disheartening.
IE: You really do suck the joy right out of a room.

Now I'm done. Carry on Ladies and Gents...
:lurk

[jaherbst]

I could give a RA if you agree w/ me or not.

As a 'representative' of the MOA your self importance is really disheartening.
IE: You really do suck the joy right out of a room.

Now I'm done. Carry on Ladies and Gents...
:lurk

Thumbs up on that one.

[knary]

I could give a RA if you agree w/ me or not.

As a 'representative' of the MOA your self importance is really disheartening.
IE: You really do suck the joy right out of a room.

Now I'm done. Carry on Ladies and Gents...
:lurk


I haven't attacked you personally, and yet you have now done so twice to me in this thread alone.

I just skimmed the thread. There were a whole lot of people agreeing with what I posted. It would seem that I'm not alone in my opinions or my approach to posting them.
:dunno

[DarrylRi]

Alright, that's enough of that.