1300 GT Shutting Down

[pakyohmeca]

Hi
My GT started shutting down between down shifts or when coasting to a stop. No trouble restarting, it starts right up. This started after about 200 miles into a trip. This was happening about 8-12 times a day on this trip. I called my SM and he said to make sure I was using good gas with the highest octane number I could get. When I got to Chicago I called Chicago BMW and the SM said he would take a wild guess that it was a throttle/EFI mapping problem. He stated that anytime the battery is disconnected on these bikes that the throttle mapping needed to be accomplished. He told me how to do the procedure and I did it. This improved the situation but did not fix it. I am home now and do for the 12K service. My trip was 7285 miles, 19 days, i9 states from Florida to California and back. Best MPG were in Utah/Colorado with 87 Octane non ethanol fuel. I actually got 54MPG there. One other 1300GT owner on another forum is having the shut down problem and he has less than 600 miles on his bike.
Any ideas appreciated.

Don S

[Gilly]

It's a 1300GT, going in for the 12K service, just maybe you could tell the dealer to fix it under warranty?? Just a thought.

Gilly

[pakyohmeca]

The bike is still in the warranty period. My concern is they will not find the cause of the problem because it is intermittent. If no fault balls are set, then it will be tough to diagnose.

Don S

[gt13rider]

I just recently started having the same problem. usually after a nice run on the freeway coming up the off ramp to a stop. re-starts right away,. no problem there. maybe an idle sensor problem? I do not drop from 6k rpm to o it is a steady decrease so it is not a fuel cut-off ( anology). 2000 miles on my gt, other than that my info button and my hazard button stopped working after my breakin service, the new button layout maybe?? fortunately it is not a ridability issue yet!:bolt

[Gilly]

The bike is still in the warranty period. My concern is they will not find the cause of the problem because it is intermittent. If no fault balls are set, then it will be tough to diagnose.

Don S

That's true, Don. I should have looked at it from your side. Never hurts to see if others know what they have to do to fix it. That's what the internet is here for, just ask your mechanic, he'll tell ya:p

Gilly

[siberianrunner]

Just dropped my 1300GT to have the same problem repaired. The service manager thought it maybe caused by a problem in the idle sensor circuit. Will follow up as soon as I get the bike back from the shop.

[pakyohmeca]

That's true, Don. I should have looked at it from your side. Never hurts to see if others know what they have to do to fix it. That's what the internet is here for, just ask your mechanic, he'll tell ya:p

Gilly
Gilly
Maybe I am not being fair, BUT, I have three items that need to be taken care of:
A)Fix the engine shut down problem
B)12K Service
C) New tires

If I dropped the bike off both B and C would be accomplished while A (under warranty) would be a could not duplicate or no fault balls were set. I really want the shut down issue resolved before doing the other work. We have enough folks with the same problem that it is possible we could get some serious troubleshooting done by BMW.

Don S

[siberianrunner]

Received a call today from the service manager at the dealership servicing my K1300GT. They have asked BMW for direction on the problem and have been informed by BMW that they are aware of the problem and are working on a solution. With no indication of how long this will take the dealer has offered me the use of a demo bike until the problem is resolved.

[Acejones]

A friend of mine has had this same problem with a V-Strom 1000 for a while. More than one suzuki shop has failed to really fix it. I'll bet BMW does no better.

[pakyohmeca]

Received a call today from the service manager at the dealership servicing my K1300GT. They have asked BMW for direction on the problem and have been informed by BMW that they are aware of the problem and are working on a solution. With no indication of how long this will take the dealer has offered me the use of a demo bike until the problem is resolved.

Have you heard any more from your dealer???

Thanks

Don S

[dcrbmwc]

Your post proves to me that BMW has no clue to the solution of this same problem that has been bugging me since 2006, and that it has carried over to the K1300 bikes. Look at the forum for BMW Superbikes about the topic of Stalling to read more about this all too common issue.

[pakyohmeca]

Your post proves to me that BMW has no clue to the solution of this same problem that has been bugging me since 2006, and that it has carried over to the K1300 bikes. Look at the forum for BMW Superbikes about the topic of Stalling to read more about this all too common issue.
They make it sound pretty simple-just remove the vacuum line from the filter to the cannister. Makes you wonder why BMW cannot come up with a fix since this problem is so prevalent on these bikes.

Don S

[ragtoplvr]

Sounds like software from Microsoft!!!!!!

I have written embedded software for years, now I have an easy job.

BUT, some things to think about

Does this happen when near cell phone, or radio/TV towers. Near High Voltage lines? Trucks with CB radios. Airports? When it happens try turning your cell phone/ radio even GPS and every other electronic divice you can think of off.

Altitude or temperature changes?

If course, they should be looking for loose wire connections. There is a very expensive chemical called stabilant 22A. It is a connection enhancer.

http://www.stabilant.com/

You can try cleaning all the connections with contact cleaner, then put some of this stuff on. It works like magic. I had one old Zilog development system for the Z-80 ( Yes, i am old) that needed the boards reseated every day. One treatment with this stuff, and it ran for many more years.

I had an 86 Monte Carlo SS that ran like crap when it rained. I treated all the under hood connections with this stuff, and the connector to the computer, Problem solved. I do not have it anymore, well I do, but DOG only knows where.

If for about $40, if it fixes it, i bet you will have free libations of your choice at every rally you attend, at least until your bottle runs dry.

If not, then someday you will have something that only works when you hit it (does not work on teenagers, I meant electronic) and if you can find where you put this stuff, it will fix it.

Be sure to post back

Good luck

Rod

[pakyohmeca]

In my case it did not happen in the first 4500 miles. It has happened at sea level(Fl) as well as at altitude(Co, Ut,) damp conditions as well as dry conditions. Full tank of gas as well as 1/4 full tank. Different brands of gas. Different octanes. I have spent quite a bit of time trying to isolate/identify a set of circumstances that causes this problem but have not been successful yet.

Don S

[ragtoplvr]

In my case it did not happen in the first 4500 miles

Don S

4 cylinder bikes have some high frequency buzz. This is PERFECT for something called fretting corrosion in connectors. It makes connectors intermittent. All you need is one connector somewhere critical. It will get worse with age if this is it. I wish I could find that bottle. I would send it to someone with time to try it. This is one of the things you run into in cheap copy of connector designs. They copy the connector faithfully, but do not know about the factory installed lubricant. If this is it, it will only get worse with age, and then replacing any part will fix it, for a while.

It is an interesting subject to read up about. Google connector fretting corrosion.

Another problem could come from the no lead European directive (ROHS). Lead solder is a wonderful material, and the newer ones are inferior. Just suggesting. I have dealt with low level analog signals in outdoor environments for years, and it can be a real education.

I am glad I have a easy job now.

Rod

[dcrbmwc]

Let me post BOTH stalling problems I have endured since early 2006 starting after the first service...Tis is an email I recently sent to my dealer...They have responded with an appointment which will be covered under warranty (Bike out of Warranty, but complaint multiple times while it was still under warranty)

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As you know I have had my 2006 K1200R in to you for warranty service with the Stalling Problem associated with this engine as the principal and recurring cuplrit. The bike ran without stalling when I first got it in November 2005 for about 8000 miles. My only complaint about it, other than the rear brake servo failure, was that it surged, like a pre-2004 oilhead, under no load, slow speed conditions.

During the time from the Summer of 2006 until August 2008, I experienced the first type of stalling problem, which is well documented on the http://www.bmw-k.com/forum, where, upon slowing for a stop and pulling in the clutch, the engine would die...this would continue through every subsequent restart of the engine until the key was actually turned off. THEN, upon immediately reactivating the bike by turning the key back on, and pushing the starter button, the bike would return to normal operation. I likened this to a cold restart of a Windows Computer whose behavior had become squirrelly.

It was not until I was actually riding to your shop for my last available warranty appointment in November 2008 that I experienced the second type of stalling problem, which is also well documented on the http://www.bmw-k.com/forum, and in that 73 mile trip my home here in York, PA to your shop, it occurred 4 times...upon approaching a stop, and pulling in the clutch, the bike would stall. However, this time I could push the starter WITHOUT turning the key OFF first, and the bike would idle operate properly. However, shortly thereafter while approaching another stop it would happen again. After this service, this second type of stalling appeared to be behind us. However, it just happened to me last week, so here I am to report it. The first type of stalling problem has not reoccurred. Let me say that I have ridden this bike only about 1500 miles since the last service.

The forum has posted success stories ranging from checking all seals and connections downstream of the airbox to replacement of the O2 sensor and ECU. Some guys have resorted to third party devices, that I don't want to get into. All I want is for the Bike to run properly at all times.

Has BMW aknowledged that there are problems with this K12 engine and stalling? What do you suggest? Please know that since these problems have been reported by me to you during the warranty period, and that they are not resolved so far, that I consider them still to be addressed under warranty.

Thanks for your time, and I look forward to your answer.

David L Good

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[hozpypr]

Hello everybody my 1300 had 1400 miles on it before i had to go back to work. I pulled the battery and put it on a bmw trik-charge while i was gone. When i returned i put the batt back in and the bike started and ran fine. The second day home the shut down problem started like everybody else only when coming down from higher rpms and was re-starting with no problem. Then the left side controls started malfunctioning (the wind shield, right turn, esa, and info switches) all stopped working. Took the bike in tec said i had left the bike without no batt for to long (4 months) and the internal batts died so the system re-set to default settings. I being a non motor head said ok he re-programed the computer and said the problem was fixed. The left hand control problem was another issue. I was told that a circuit board fried and that this was not unusual he had seen these bad boards come on new bikes right out of the box. The part was ordered and i was sent home with the bike running ok to wait for the part. Next day went out to ride and the dam thing will not start at all now. When you turn on the key the info screen does not go through the test mode just to a screen that is half ass working. Of course its sunday and bmw is closed till tuesday so i try the thing a few more times and give up. Tuesday i am loading the bike on a truck to go the 100 miles to the dealer and just for the hell of it i hit the start button and the thing starts. The dealership i bought the bike at are good people and are doing everything to get me going again but they also said it is electronic and if it is working when they test it the problem can be a bitch to find. Don't know the out come yet i dropped the thing off and went on a vacation for a week. I will post what was found out when i get back maybe it will help with someone else's problems.

[cjack]

Hello everybody my 1300 had 1400 miles on it before i had to go back to work. I pulled the battery and put it on a bmw trik-charge while i was gone. When i returned i put the batt back in and the bike started and ran fine. The second day home the shut down problem started like everybody else only when coming down from higher rpms and was re-starting with no problem. Then the left side controls started malfunctioning (the wind shield, right turn, esa, and info switches) all stopped working. Took the bike in tec said i had left the bike without no batt for to long (4 months) and the internal batts died so the system re-set to default settings. I being a non motor head said ok he re-programed the computer and said the problem was fixed. The left hand control problem was another issue. I was told that a circuit board fried and that this was not unusual he had seen these bad boards come on new bikes right out of the box. The part was ordered and i was sent home with the bike running ok to wait for the part. Next day went out to ride and the dam thing will not start at all now. When you turn on the key the info screen does not go through the test mode just to a screen that is half ass working. Of course its sunday and bmw is closed till tuesday so i try the thing a few more times and give up. Tuesday i am loading the bike on a truck to go the 100 miles to the dealer and just for the hell of it i hit the start button and the thing starts. The dealership i bought the bike at are good people and are doing everything to get me going again but they also said it is electronic and if it is working when they test it the problem can be a bitch to find. Don't know the out come yet i dropped the thing off and went on a vacation for a week. I will post what was found out when i get back maybe it will help with someone else's problems.

I'm not sure about what the screen would look like if you turned the key on and the kill switch off, but there were bad switches on these bikes which were delivered around the first part of '09. Both sides. New handlebar switches may cure most of this.

[dwestly]

My 09 K1300GT goes in tomorrow morning to address the low speed, clutch pull stalling problem. The bike has 4800 miles on it. When I informed my service manager (very reliable shop), he very quickly agreed the issue was a problem, and said they are waiting on a fix from BMW. In the meantime, he says best information he has is that ethanol mix in the gas appears to be leaving deposits on the slides, causing the stall problem. Until BMW comes up with a fix (different mapping, etc), they are cleaning the slides and using a fuel additive every X number of fill-ups to combat the problem. I'll post more after tomorrow morning's warranty work and face-to-face discussion with him.

[Semper_Fi]

When you mention the slides are you talking about the throttle bodies?

If so are they plannign to do it with the TB's on the bike.

Also another question to ask is if indeed this is the magic pill will this be a warranty item for the install base?

Thanks and keep us updated

[cjack]

When you mention the slides are you talking about the throttle bodies?

If so are they plannign to do it with the TB's on the bike.

Also another question to ask is if indeed this is the magic pill will this be a warranty item for the install base?

Thanks and keep us updated

It's the area just above the throttle plates...supposed to alter the operation of the fuel/air mix.
I have heard of the problem in the first few miles of a new bike. Hmmm. Does this happen in the rest of the world? Or just in the USA?

[cjack]

Some dealers think it's just in the USA...I don't think so if you read the forums. Some think it's gas...I kind of don't...why are the 1300s so much worse than the 1200s? There is some talk about different valve timing, etc. making the sensitivity to some common issues such as gas additives more an issue for the 1300. That doesn't speak to the low or no mileage 1300 bikes which stall sometimes also.

[Motogp]

This all sounds like a continuation of the poor response BMW has for thier failing final drives. All manufactures have issues with thier products however how they respond is what seperates the good from the bad. BMW seems to know how to sell thier products, just hasnt figured out the service side. And with the 1000RR coming online, they are about to have thier hands full should this tidbit of new techno have issues.

This should be some interesting read for the next several months..........

Good luck to you all!:banghead

[dwestly]

I'll be sure to post the full details of my discussion with my service manager today. On the phone he was very upfront about the problem, and seemed to indicate there was an interim fix (cleaning, routine fuel additive) until BMW comes up with a permanent solution. I've got a good service shop, so at least I think I'll get the straight scoop, at least as much as they know.

[pakyohmeca]

I'll be sure to post the full details of my discussion with my service manager today. On the phone he was very upfront about the problem, and seemed to indicate there was an interim fix (cleaning, routine fuel additive) until BMW comes up with a permanent solution. I've got a good service shop, so at least I think I'll get the straight scoop, at least as much as they know.
I see you are from Tampa. I use Eurocycles in Tampa for my Beemer work. Is that the shop you use?

Don S

[dwestly]

Yep, EuroCycles. They've done a pretty good job for me in the past. Here's the update: I took the bike in this morning. They had it for 2 hours. They confirmed the throttle bodies (butterfly valve) were gunked up. They even took pictures of them to send to BMW. They cleaned them out, then stuck the bike on the computer and reset the adaptation values. Service manager says BMW is now going to be providing a fuel additive to prevent the deposit buildup as an interim fix. They have just heard from BMW on this, but don't have the additive yet. Our dealer is part of a 20 dealer consortium that gets together and works on issues. They discovered the marine industry is having a big problem with this as well, and is using a product called StarTron Enzyme Fuel Additive to combat the deposit buildup, so they are using it as well and having good results. Once they cleaned out the throttle bodies and reset them, they filled up the tank and added about 2 oz. of the StarTron to the tank. I got it back after their test ride and rode it home, about 40 miles, including about 10 miles of stoplight to stoplight riding. No stalling and it also cured a tiny bit of throttle lag as well. I'm sure the gunky throttle bodies were the culprit on that, too. Guidance on the StarTron is 1 oz. per full fillup, and they gave me the rest of the bottle. You can get it at any marine supply store. I'm going to just pre-fill some small 1 oz. bottles and keep them in the bike to use when I fill up, until this issue gets fixed. They are going to keep me posted on any more info from BMW on the issue (I'm in there all the time, as they do my Ducati as well).

That's it for now! Hope this helps...

[58058D]

I just picked up my new K13S on Tuesday the 22nd. I had called my dealer ahead of time on Saturday when the dealer in Aurora, CO had told me they had pulled all their K1300Ss from the floor due to the issue. My dealer said they had this 'fix' and that they were very proactive in this area, despite having only experienced one or two customers with issues, and they are a big volume dealer - relative for this economy of course. So, I have the BMW fuel additive to use as I refill my tank. The active ingredient is not listed, rather "Petroleum Distillates" is listed. So far in my first 70+ miles, no problem, but I do ride a LOT, so I should find out soon if this is indeed the fix. I may pickup some StarTron to have on hand.

[stkmkt1]

It may be Chevron's Techtron. That's what BMW has me putting in my bike now every 3,000 miles. IT will help keep the fuel system clean and help protect all but the rubber parts from the nasty alcohol and such we are getting in our fuel here in the States.

BMW just replaced nearly my entire fuel system on my '09 GSA because of of fuel pump failure at 10,500 miles. Assumed culprit: too much alcohol in the fuel. And I use only Shell V-power.

[dwestly]

Shop here also recommended using only top tier gas (Shell, Chevron, Texaco, etc) all the time. Anybody else got recommendations for the best fuel to combat this?

[cjack]

Cleaner in the fuel might be a good thing, but I don't think it has all to do with the stalling issue. I think my K1200S '08 has stalled once...on a hot day after a long run on the road. 12000 miles so far on the '08. I have had an '05 '06 and now an '08. No stalling. I have used just about every kind of (premium only) gas in the west, central, and east parts of the country.
I still want to know what is different about the K1300 engine that has made this stalling issue an epidemic.

[wmubrown]

I just bought an '09 K1300S last month... experienced the stall issue three times prior to the 500 mile mark on the ODO. The last time it happened, it seemed to me I was pulling the clutch lever in rather slowly when coming up and exit ramp preparing to downshift and stop. I was in third gear pulling in the clutch lever to shift to 2nd. Since then, I have consciously pulled the lever in quick and for almost 700 more miles now (1130+ total on the bike) I have not had it stall again. Around the same time, I switched from premium to mid-grade gas, which the manual says is OK - more mileage, less performance, which is fine by me - it has PLentY of performance. We don't, in general, have ethanol in our gas here in West MI, so I cannot comment on that suspected relation. I have traveled through MI, IN, IL, and WI now, all in the last 700 miles, gassing up in each, and at least one must have had ethanol and no notable effect.

I am absobfreakinglutely lovin' this bike...!

[Semper_Fi]

I just bought an '09 K1300S last month...

Congratulstions - did you post a picture oif it?

experienced the stall issue three times prior to the 500 mile mark on the ODO. The last time it happened, it seemed to me I was pulling the clutch lever in rather slowly when coming up and exit ramp preparing to downshift and stop. I was in third gear pulling in the clutch lever to shift to 2nd. Since then, I have consciously pulled the lever in quick and for almost 700 more miles now (1130+ total on the bike) I have not had it stall again.

I have noticed a similar event on my GT, and what i have done is not only pull the clutch in quick but also be completely off throttle - it seems to help



I am absobfreakinglutely lovin' this bike...!

AWESOME isn't it!

Like your sig line for the S

[wmubrown]

Congratulstions - did you post a picture oif it?

No... good idea... I'll do that even if I do need a better photo ;)

AWESOME isn't it!

Most definitely!! :)

Like your sig line for the S

Thanks! Its a Monty Python line a lot of folks may not get ;)

[Easy]

There is an interesting article on page 5 of the November 2009 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News. It seems the stalling problem is BMW's highest priority right now. And apparently it is not just a problem on GTs, but other K 1300s.

BMW is working on the "Mapping" problem. It is "believed" a solution will be available "soon."

It sounds like the check is in the mail.

Easy :german

[wezul]

Thanks! Its a Monty Python line a lot of folks may not get ;)

Dimsdale!

[wharthog]

If this problem happens twice and the dealer is unable to fix it twice. Start a "lemon law" case with BMW Motorcycles of NA. Call the customer service number and tell them you want to open a lemon law case on your bike. I guarantee they will take notice when they are looking at eating the cost of all the 1300 bikes that are having problems and having to resell them branded as lemons.

[Motogp]

The requirements of the Lemon Law very from state to state however if I recall correctly, the issue has to have three documented service repairs, not two. Also, you must well document all conversations with your service personel and start with your adviser, then to the manager and if possible, to the owner of the dealer. If all else fails, you will need to track down the BMW Zone rep. His number should be in the back of your owners manual. Only after having the issue serviced three times and have spoke to all personel at the dealer, I would place the call to BMW NA.
Maintain a professional tone and do not lose your cool. A zone rep will make arrangements to meet with you and the dealer personel to discuss further options. The lemon law is there to protect the consumer however without documentation and a professional attitude, you will find this is a very long road.

I would try to get the dealer to fix the problem however if BMW is going to handle this shutting down issue like they have the rear drive failures, then they deserve what they have coming. Fact is, it appears BMW is the only one stating the ethynol content in the fuel is reaping havoc with thier bikes, Ducati, Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha, MV Agusta, Suzuki or the many other manufactures are not having these problems to date, nor are the BMW automobiles. :buds

[Semper_Fi]

Let's not mention the HPFP on the N54 engine, but that is already discussed to death on all the BMW car forums :lurk

[Clay]

A suggestion from another K-Bike site...

"Trying to come up with some kind of common ground to help solve the stalling issue. Please fill out options and please submit a report to the NHTSA and BMWNA 1-800-831-1117 ex 8849 detailing your experiences."

Regards,

Clay AA3JY
Kimberton,Pa.

[Motogp]

In review of a couple messages regarding this issue, what is the current percentage of bikes being produced with this problem? Is it all 1300's across the board or just the ST or S models? I cant imagine riding along and having the vehicle that I am driving just shut down. Regardless wether it be a bike, car, or boat, it is unacceptable. How are the dealers handling this problem?? Are they providing any support or are they stating that it is out of thier hands until the factory gets involved??

[dwestly]

Dealers are handling the problem under warranty. The current interim fix issued by BMW is to clean the throttle bodies of any deposits, then provide a fuel additive at fill-up intervals. I had my 1300GT done and am now using the fuel additive as recommended. So far no recurrences of the problem. BMW is supposedly working on a permanent fix, to be available soon...stay tuned.

[Motogp]

BMW should provide the additive or a allowance for this product until they come up with a cure? I used to run a fuel additive/ octane boost in racing boats and the expense of this additive was a substantial amount of money over the course of time. Perhaps if BMW had to shoulder this cost, they would come up with a solution a bit sooner??? Something to think about considering they appear to be burdoning the purchaser of thier bikes with this expense.

[wharthog]

The requirements of the Lemon Law very from state to state however if I recall correctly, the issue has to have three documented service repairs, not two. Also, you must well document all conversations with your service personel and start with your adviser, then to the manager and if possible, to the owner of the dealer. If all else fails, you will need to track down the BMW Zone rep. His number should be in the back of your owners manual. Only after having the issue serviced three times and have spoke to all personel at the dealer, I would place the call to BMW NA.
Maintain a professional tone and do not lose your cool. A zone rep will make arrangements to meet with you and the dealer personel to discuss further options. The lemon law is there to protect the consumer however without documentation and a professional attitude, you will find this is a very long road.

I would try to get the dealer to fix the problem however if BMW is going to handle this shutting down issue like they have the rear drive failures, then they deserve what they have coming. Fact is, it appears BMW is the only one stating the ethynol content in the fuel is reaping havoc with thier bikes, Ducati, Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha, MV Agusta, Suzuki or the many other manufactures are not having these problems to date, nor are the BMW automobiles. :buds

In California if the vehicle has had two problems that are considered "life threatening" it is eligible for lemon status. Stalling does qualify according to a local lemon law atty. Or a "reasonable" amount of times to fix other issues. case law has deemed this to be four times. On my bike I called BMW Motorcycles NA and told them about the issues my bike was having. I was very polite and calm. THEY followed up with the dealer and my claim has been elevated to the next level.

It's not an adversarial process. Their customer service people are fantastic. The dealer has nothing to do with the lemon law and you're not making an end run around them by going straight to BMW. In fact, if you continue to take it to the dealer time and time again they may not even notify BMW of the specific issue with your bike. They need to know. We should notify them.

[Motogp]

I am hoping that BMW NA steps up to the plate and provides the customer support and a resolution to this problem quickly. I dont understand how a company that has so many innovative minds and networks as BMW has gets all crossed when issues such as these become apparent.

I can assure you if N8 or one of the WSB's were experiencing shut down issues, it would be corrected before the next race or lap! Seems efforts are lacking when it comes to providing support to the very people that are finacially supporting this company with purchasing thier products.

Time will tell.:stick

[Semper_Fi]

..........
I can assure you if N8 or one of the WSB's were experiencing shut down issues, it would be corrected before the next race or lap!


To be fair one thing is a single focus specific bike, the other is a fleet of engines out there in multitude of applications, world wide.

From several other forums including ones in Europe, BMW is addressing the issue, just have not root caused it.

The discussions have been valid, i think they will resolve this and do stand behind their product.

2 examples - the "extended" final drive support, the other an official 10 year warranty on the High Pressure Fuel Pumps on their N54 engines (the twin turbo).

I got a GT and I have a 335, they both work, the GT does on occasion stall but not often, and the 335 is running fine.

YMMV :lurk

[Easy]

BMW should provide the additive or a allowance for this product until they come up with a cure? I used to run a fuel additive/ octane boost in racing boats and the expense of this additive was a substantial amount of money over the course of time. Perhaps if BMW had to shoulder this cost, they would come up with a solution a bit sooner??? Something to think about considering they appear to be burdoning the purchaser of thier bikes with this expense.

Every state has its own version of lemon law. In Texas the manufacturer and dealer are required to fix the defect, not treat the symptom. You are under no obligation to buy gas treatment to qualify for redress.

I think its time BMW took a good look at quality control. Or perhaps, they should do a little more testing before putting a new product on the road.

Easy :lurk

[dwestly]

My dealer did supply the fuel additive as part of the warranty work to clean and adjust the throttle bodies...They didn't supply BMW-sourced fuel additive, saying they had not received it yet. Rather, they supplied "StarTron" which is evidently in common use in the marine industry to combat the same issue. So far its worked great. I just put it in 1 oz. bottles and carry a couple with me so when I do a full fill-up, I add a bottle of additive. No fuss, no muss...

[mxhemi]

I bought my 09 K1300S in April and had this engine shut off happen to me the day I rode it home from the dealer at one mile away and again at home 22 miles from the dealer. I thought maybe it was just me getting used to the feel of the clutch. I have noticed that it happens more when going from mid to high RPM's to 0, (also this happens to me more in colder weather) I have since learned to use slight engine breaking when when down shifting at least from in a traffic situation to avoid any safety issues. Good to hear I'm not the only one!

[Semper_Fi]

I bought my 09 K1300S in April and had this engine shut off happen to me the day I rode it home from the dealer at one mile away and again at home 22 miles from the dealer. I thought maybe it was just me getting used to the feel of the clutch. I have noticed that it happens more when going from mid to high RPM's to 0, (also this happens to me more in colder weather) I have since learned to use slight engine breaking when when down shifting at least from in a traffic situation to avoid any safety issues. Good to hear I'm not the only one!

First of all welcome to the forum!

Haven't ridden the bike in the cold yet - so far the low 40"s and have not noticed any performance difference but will keep my on mine.

Check in often and don't forget to post a picture of your bike.

[Motogp]

Sorry to hear yet another victim of the suspicious engine shut down issue. I find it hard to believe that when the dealerships are putting the bikes together and giving them a shakedown run that they arent having any issues.

Perhaps they are experiencing problems but they dont want to have service bays filled with unfixed 2009 1300's?

BMW should put a hold on selling any 13's until this issue is corrected. Someone is going to get injured dealing with this issue.

[AlanNewBraunfels]

I bought my 1st ever BMW this summer (K 1300 GT) and it is stalling on every ride now. Everyone's inputs on this forum have really helped me understand the severity of the issue. I got my bike in July and in August the dealer told me that bad gas was causing the problem. "Try some other gas and let us know." I now realize they just pushed me off. I called last week after the bike stalled 4 times on a 350 mile ride with 2 of the stalls being in places I really did not want to be restarting the engine (safety issue if you ask me). It's bad enough having to worry about all the distracted drivers on the road but now I have to add to this the fact that I can't trust my bike to keep running. For $22k, this is way out of line. I'm following the advice here and calling in the Lemon Law process tomorrow to BMW NA. A motorcycle that randomly stalls when you pull in the clutch is a lemon if you ask me (and a real safety hazard). I wonder if the "just try some different gas" counts as the 1st repair attempt. I'm getting the throttle body cleaned on the 28th so maybe that can be the 2nd. The problem here for BMW is that poor reliability will destroy their premium pricing capability and they will soon have to lower their prices to compensate for the transition risk. Fooled me once, shame on you BMW. Fool me twice, shame on me. Good luck to all the other riders inflected with this design flaw. Keep your right thumb on the little red rocker switch when you pull the clutch. 

[Motogp]

Take the bike back to them and let them try some different gas. By now BMW is fully aware of this problem, they are just trying to buy time by telling people to buy different gas or get thier throttle bodies cleaned. I have driven vehicles, both cars and bikes to over 100K miles without cleaning the throttle bodies and never had issues. This is rediculas.

[wharthog]

Take the bike back to them and let them try some different gas. By now BMW is fully aware of this problem, they are just trying to buy time by telling people to buy different gas or get thier throttle bodies cleaned. I have driven vehicles, both cars and bikes to over 100K miles without cleaning the throttle bodies and never had issues. This is rediculas.

+1... These bike are not running on primitive fuels and old drippy carburetors that should need constant adjustment. I feel that BMW has been very responsive to my Lemon Law claim.. so far. They are supposed to get back to me on Fri or early next week with their first proposal for a solution on my bike.

I feel that if pressure is applied to BMW NA and reports of the stalls are made to NHTSA there will be enough internal and external pressure to get this dangerous problem addressed.

And for the record, I'm not a malcontent that has an axe to grind with BMW. I love the company and it's products. I currently own three of their cars and am on my third motorcycle. I want them to successfully solve a serious problem.

[dwestly]

I agree. They have shown initial responsiveness to the problem by issuing the interim fix. That means they have recognized the problem and have officially committed to fixing it. I've had one warranty appointment on the stalling and now with another 2k miles on the bike, the stalling is starting to reappear. I'm keeping careful records so I can go through the FL Lemon Law process, if necessary. I hope not, as I love the bike and also would like to see BMW permanently resolve the issue.

[From MARS]

My dealer did supply the fuel additive as part of the warranty work to clean and adjust the throttle bodies...They didn't supply BMW-sourced fuel additive, saying they had not received it yet. Rather, they supplied "StarTron" which is evidently in common use in the marine industry to combat the same issue. So far its worked great. I just put it in 1 oz. bottles and carry a couple with me so when I do a full fill-up, I add a bottle of additive. No fuss, no muss...

Volvo had this problem with their gas marine engines back in '04. Eventually, IIRC, they remapped the computer. One of my inexperienced customers hit four boats while trying to dock his new 36 footer when the port engine kept shutting down. I hope we don't start hearing about riders being killed or injured because of this problem.

Tom

[Motogp]

I think this is everyones fear Tom. I had problems with a 2005 K1200S that BMW couldnt fix which forced me to sell the bike and take a bath on it. I do like thier other products and hope to God that they provide a solution fast however between the unresolved K1200S problems I had, the reacurring rear drive failures and now this, I am starting to loose faith in thier motorcycle product line. Thier cars on the other hand have provided me many years of non-irritating enjoyable miles and will continue to do so.

[cjack]

I agree. They have shown initial responsiveness to the problem by issuing the interim fix. That means they have recognized the problem and have officially committed to fixing it. I've had one warranty appointment on the stalling and now with another 2k miles on the bike, the stalling is starting to reappear. I'm keeping careful records so I can go through the FL Lemon Law process, if necessary. I hope not, as I love the bike and also would like to see BMW permanently resolve the issue.

There's a little bit more out on this issue at the dealers. If it still stalls or reappears, take it in again. I don't think it is the ultimate fix, but a bit more to look at besides throttle body residue.

[cjack]

There's more out now for the stalling issue. Check with your dealer if you have any problems.

[Motogp]

BMW K1300 GT – K1300 S Handlebar Switch Recal

BMW has issued a recall for 2009 BMW K1300 GT and K1300 S motorcycles for a problem with handlebar switches. Please read the details below.

Manufacturer: BMW of North America
Model Year: 2009
Models affected: K1300 GT, K1300 S
NHTSA Campaign Number: 09V384000
Problem: BMW is recalling certain model year 2009 motorcycles. The switches on the handlebars for both the direction indicator and the emergency engine off/engine-start functions may fail. In such a case, the directional indicator and/or the emergency engine-off/start functions would be rendered inoperative. In some cases, engine stalling could also result increasing the risk of a crash.

Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect and replace the necessary components free of charge. The manufacturer has not yet provided an owner notification schedule. Owners may contact BMW at 1-800-831-1117.

[cjack]

The switches may have contributed to the engine dying...actually may have confused the issue mostly.

[dwestly]

There's more out now for the stalling issue. Check with your dealer if you have any problems.

Can you clarify this? When I read your post, I called my service guy and he says there has been nothing new from BMW lately. According to him (and I have a pretty reliable shop) BMW is still saying throttle body cleaning, use of top tier gas and occasional fuel additive usage.

[Motogp]

Your service adviser/ manager needs to check the latest BMW recall bulletins. The recall was posted this month ( November ). It is questionable wether this will resolve the shut down problem though.........:usa

[cjack]

Can you clarify this? When I read your post, I called my service guy and he says there has been nothing new from BMW lately. According to him (and I have a pretty reliable shop) BMW is still saying throttle body cleaning, use of top tier gas and occasional fuel additive usage.

If you are still having troubles with your 1300 (it's not a recall), there is a latest version of software update available for the engine.

[cjack]

I believe it is now a recall coming out very soon on the stalling issue. A remap of the engine management.

[pakyohmeca]

Do you believe the v 14.2 software update is the engine management remap recall?? I haven't gotten the v14.2 update but my understanding is that it is available for the asking at the dealerships. Not a recall-yet??

Thanks

Don S

[dwestly]

I believe it is now a recall coming out very soon on the stalling issue. A remap of the engine management.

Do you know if this is BMW's response to the NHTSA investigation into the stalling problem, opened last month?...

[58058D]

Kind of hard to see it as a 'response' per se, since they have to have been working on it continuously for some time. Interesting timing, but I have read of others getting the new software installed just prior to the announcement of the NHTSA investigation. Probable they were trying to be as proactive as they can be and solve the issue and avoid the investigation, but there are have been enough complaints filed that the investigation likely would have had to happen even if BMW had found a fix earlier. Certainly the problem is widely publicized and some dealers pulled these models from their floors back in August. So, while I have only experienced mild issues compared to some, I am keeping fingers crossed that this new software really is the answer.

[Motogp]

It is my hope as well that this is a valid resolution to the problem at hand however a product and manufacture such as BMW shouldnt have to be threatened by NHTSA to address poor engineering or quality control to resolve valid problems with thier products that can be life threatening.

This behavior pattern of BMW's customer service is what has lead me down a path over the past couple months away from the BMW show room and into the hands of another manufacture. So much to the point that I have sold my BMW in the last week and will be taking delivery of a Concours 14 in the next 2 weeks.
:banghead

[Semper_Fi]

...... I have sold my BMW in the last week and will be taking delivery of a Concours 14 in the next 2 weeks.
:banghead

Minor high-jack; did you get the new restyled one that addresses the heat issue and has now been optioned with traction control and heated grips?

Looks real sharp, especially in blue.

[Motogp]

I havent purchased the Concours yet although I have some concern of the heat issue on the right side. I spent some seat time on one and it wasnt that big of a deal. There isnt much difference between the 2008 and 10 other than relocated mirrors, some minor fairing revision to address the heat and a little bit bigger windscreen. The biggest difference is there are alot of 2009's floating around that are able to be had for as low as 10400.00! The new 2010 msrp is 14995 and there isnt alot of leeway that dealers are willing to give up. Same power plant, brakes, frame, etc.
My wrist has served me well over the course of 39 years of riding therefore I am not that interested in the traction control and heated grips can be had for 150 bucks.
I think I will sway towards the 2009 and save 4K.............
I will let you know, should be picking one up in the next couple weeks.

[cjack]

Do you believe the v 14.2 software update is the engine management remap recall?? I haven't gotten the v14.2 update but my understanding is that it is available for the asking at the dealerships. Not a recall-yet??

Thanks

Don S

It's either a recall or I think going to be one. The fix may not be a direct response to the NHTSA, but if they are making it a recall, that sounds like a response.

[dwestly]

I'm headed over to the dealer today, to pick upanother bike they just finished reworking for us. I'm going to ask them about the v14.2 software...

[Semper_Fi]

so does the 4.12 firmware upgrade superceed the Throttlebody cleaning or is it included?

[cjack]

The way I heard it, BMW will provide the software update and cleaning is not necessary or required (which means they are not going to pay for it).

[58058D]

So, have you heard if BMW is no longer recommending the regular addition of the fuel additive? The 6-pack of Techron was pretty cheap at Costco, so no big deal, but it would be nice not to have to add something to every fillup. My biggest worry with that is getting it on the paint.....

[cjack]

So, have you heard if BMW is no longer recommending the regular addition of the fuel additive? The 6-pack of Techron was pretty cheap at Costco, so no big deal, but it would be nice not to have to add something to every fillup. My biggest worry with that is getting it on the paint.....

No. They have not said that they do no longer recommend it. Just that they are not including it and cleaning the throttle bodies in the fix for stalling. And that the software fix will totally fix the stalling issue regardless of any need for cleaning.

[redhot]

According to my dealer this morning. BMW has just issued an "official" recall on all K1300 motorcycles. It's a quick software update and supposedly even refines a few things making the bike a little smoother. He says no appointment is necessary, just a quick courtesy call to let them know you're on your way.

I haven't had mine done yet, but probably will within the next couple of weeks. I've only had mine for 3 months and it has 6,100 miles on it but SO FAR has never stalled on me (KNOCK ON WOOD!) But now I have to get the update, since it's "official"

[PGlaves]

I read the recall info. I found it astounding, since it says bad fuel can cause deposits that cause a loss of air at just off idle in stopping situations. So bad fuel and cruddy throttle bodies can now be fixed with a computer adjustment. It sounds like they are going to have to enrichen the map.

It sounds like the map was too lean (Oilhead surging redux, anybody?) and needs to be richer. I wonder of they are doing the recall in Canada?

[Motogp]

At least they are now recognizing the issue and moving forward with a fix at the expense of the manufacturer.

Jury is still out..........

[dwestly]

The NHTSA investigation undoubtedly forced the acceleration of their announced recall. NHTSA initiated the investigation of the stalling problem in the first week of November, so this is not unexpected.

[cjack]

The NHTSA investigation undoubtedly forced the acceleration of their announced recall. NHTSA initiated the investigation of the stalling problem in the first week of November, so this is not unexpected.

Or coulda been the fact that dealers were pulling 1300 bikes off the floor 'til they were fixed...

[Motogp]

Doesnt say much for any manufacture when the Safety Council has to step to order a fix. This goes against everything that BMW stands for in my book.

Shame on them:nono

[Semper_Fi]

I haven't had mine done yet, but probably will within the next couple of weeks. I've only had mine for 3 months and it has 6,100 miles on it but SO FAR has never stalled on me (KNOCK ON WOOD!) But now I have to get the update, since it's "official"


Let us know how it goes - very interested to see the driveability difference of before and after update.

Mine also stalls very infrequently. :lurk

[cjack]

Doesnt say much for any manufacture when the Safety Council has to step to order a fix. This goes against everything that BMW stands for in my book.

Shame on them:nono

Why do we think BMW wasn't working on this from the beginning and trying to find a permanant fix? And that it took time and testing and developing a new map for the engine.

[cjack]

I read the recall info. I found it astounding, since it says bad fuel can cause deposits that cause a loss of air at just off idle in stopping situations. So bad fuel and cruddy throttle bodies can now be fixed with a computer adjustment. It sounds like they are going to have to enrichen the map.

It sounds like the map was too lean (Oilhead surging redux, anybody?) and needs to be richer. I wonder of they are doing the recall in Canada?

My take on it is that the new map doesn't allow the engine to be as susceptible to fuel issues, deposits, and be too lean. The newly mapped bikes don't come down to idle as fast, so I read. Also, I wonder how they are going to meet the future epa requirements. That further makes me wonder if the "it mostly only happens in the US" supports those thoughts.

[pakyohmeca]

Why do we think BMW wasn't working on this from the beginning and trying to find a permanant fix? And that it took time and testing and developing a new map for the engine.
Jack
My stalling started in June after 6400 miles were on the bike. I rode the bike for five months with this problem and it was not fun. After I had the throttle plates cleaned the stalling ceased. Now, why do I think BMW was not working the problem? It's because I got the mushroom treatment form my dealer and BMW NA. There was no feedback from BMW that they even acknowledged that a problem existed. Since most dealers could not replicate the malfunction there was a certain amount of disbelief on the BMW side. Then when the owners banded together and started registering complaints with the NHTSB and multiple forums BMW started to take notice. This has not ben a pleasant experience for those of us that had the stalling problems. This is the antithesis of how good customer relations are established.

My two cents.

Don S

[Motogp]

My two cents reflect the sediments of Dons email with the problem I had with the K1200S. They didnt recognize the problem I was having although they had reports from hundreds of owners of the same complaint along with the rear drive failure that BMW still state are non- existant and will not cover repair bills.
Now the 1300 issues?? I agree that all manufactures face common problems with thier products wether they are automotive, toasters or motorcycles. It is the way the problems are addressed that make a manufacture win my next purchase and the way BMW has handled this problem is enough for me to move onto other manufactures for my two wheeled pleasure.

My two cents............

[cjack]

Jack
My stalling started in June after 6400 miles were on the bike. I rode the bike for five months with this problem and it was not fun. After I had the throttle plates cleaned the stalling ceased. Now, why do I think BMW was not working the problem? It's because I got the mushroom treatment form my dealer and BMW NA. There was no feedback from BMW that they even acknowledged that a problem existed. Since most dealers could not replicate the malfunction there was a certain amount of disbelief on the BMW side. Then when the owners banded together and started registering complaints with the NHTSB and multiple forums BMW started to take notice. This has not ben a pleasant experience for those of us that had the stalling problems. This is the antithesis of how good customer relations are established.

My two cents.

Don S

Ok. I certainly feel your pain. I'm just used to BMW being mum about issues even to the extent of formally stating there is no issue and then coming out with a fix a few weeks later. I guess I kind of expect it after 40 years. I even know of a dealer who pulled the 1300s off the floor last summer. My dealer didn't ignore it either, they just didn't know how to fix it. BMW was working on it they said. And as far as the throttle body cleaning goes, they had stallers with clean throttle bodies. There was one '06 K12S that just started stalling last fall and the remap fixed it. My wife's and my '08 K12Ses have stalled only once in the heat last summer. I think I'll remap them both.

[SFKatz]

I've got an '09 K1300GT and had seen the stalling problem 3 or 4 times when this issue first appeared in this thread. Having read about it here, I worked with my dealer (BMW Motorcycles of Atlanta). The dealer has been excellent to deal with - both giving me regular updates and following the guidance of BMW Corporate,

On the recommendation of BMW Corporate, I had my throttle bodies cleaned and the adaptives reset, and never had the problem again. I have since also gotten the software update. Dealer said throttle bodies were clean. I'm certain I didn't train teh adaptives the same way as I was no longer in the break-in period :dance.

The service manager speculates that it is a series of conditions that lead to the stalling - a large part of which is how the adaptives learn/set up, our riding style, and conditions of fuel, etc. Fortunately, one of their 'test' bikes - a K1300S also had the problem, so they were able to experiment with it, and didn't think I was crazy even if they didn't reproduce the problem on my bike.

Having worked in customer support in a large corporation for a long time, I do believe there is a 'life cycle' of these problems. They get reported; they get checked. If they can't reproduce, the reports are suspect; if they can, they start work. Even when they can't reproduce the problem, if the reports persist, they look further as it may be very intermittent or only under certain conditions that it occurs. This appears to be a highly complex, intermittent problem that took time to reproduce, then solve, then ensure that the fix actually solved the problem.

I'll admit I'm one of the first to escalate and put pressure on companies when I think I'm not being fairly treated - that just wasn't my experience here - if anything, it strengthened my support of my local dealer.

Just my .02 (or maybe .0000002) worth, but my experience was very good.

[Semper_Fi]

Good insight Steve - since you had the software upgrade have you noted any change in driveability, either good or bad?

[SFKatz]

...since you had the software upgrade have you noted any change in driveability, either good or bad?

Fortunately, the stalling problem was fixed before the software upgrade (no problems since resetting adaptives/cleaning throttle bodies) - and this is over several thousand miles, so I can't say what the fix did about the stalling problem.

As far as the software - perhaps just a little smoother on power delivery, and a little slower dropping down to idle speed when pulling in clutch and letting off of throttle. Other than that, it's just running great.

I do have a different problem, though. The more I twist that thingy on the right side handlebar, the faster my rear tire wears out ;).

[Semper_Fi]

Good to know that the driveability is not affected.

I hear you on the rear tire :lol

[dwestly]

"I do have a different problem, though. The more I twist that thingy on the right side handlebar, the faster my rear tire wears out"

The cure for that is the nut that connects the handlebars to the seat. Unfortunately in my case its really loose...and there's no fix... :brad

[burromanadero]

Hi
My GT started shutting down between down shifts or when coasting to a stop. No trouble restarting, it starts right up. This started after about 200 miles into a trip. This was happening about 8-12 times a day on this trip. I called my SM and he said to make sure I was using good gas with the highest octane number I could get. When I got to Chicago I called Chicago BMW and the SM said he would take a wild guess that it was a throttle/EFI mapping problem. He stated that anytime the battery is disconnected on these bikes that the throttle mapping needed to be accomplished. He told me how to do the procedure and I did it. This improved the situation but did not fix it. I am home now and do for the 12K service. My trip was 7285 miles, 19 days, i9 states from Florida to California and back. Best MPG were in Utah/Colorado with 87 Octane non ethanol fuel. I actually got 54MPG there. One other 1300GT owner on another forum is having the shut down problem and he has less than 600 miles on his bike.
Any ideas appreciated.

Don S
You say there's a procedure, can you explain it???
I disconnected my battery and started the same problem.

[Motogp]

I believe the dealerships have recalled the 1300 for this issue due to pressure from NHSTA. It has been proven that the fuel is not the problem. From the previous threads, I believe the problems you and many others are experiencing are from a software glitch. Contact your dealer and ask them about the recall. Several dealers have pulled thier inventory on the 1300's due to the serverity and potential danger of this problem.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.:banghead

[dwestly]

There is indeed now a published recall on the K13 GT and S models to fix the stalling issue. The fix is new fuel managment software mapping (v14.2 I believe). I had my GT done in January, as soon as the fix was issued, and so far its solved the problem...If you have a K13 GT or S and haven't had the recall fix done, it needs to be accomplished. Oh, there is also a recall out for the hardbag locks on the GT. Something about lock casing cracks or similar. The dealer should be able to take of that at the same time if you're a GT rider...mine did both recalls in about an hour (I've got a really good dealer and service dept...)

[Semper_Fi]

Before you get the upgrade have them run your VIN and confrim that 14.2 will not throw a <!> oil warning after the software burn.

I had 14.2 with the <!>; waiting for 14.3

The new software is wonderful.

[Gilly]

What models are affected for the saddle bag recall? Wouldn't the bags on my 1200 be the same as a 1300?
Gilly

[Semper_Fi]

It's VIN related, they checked mine and I was not part of it

[dwestly]

Evidently the saddlebag recall is a minor issue. Mine was on the recall list and the dealer did it, but said they saw no evidence of any problem. They had already done three others and didn't find any problem with those, either.

Agree on the software fix, it's excellent...

[weggsa]

Food for thought. Ethonol gas probably is not leaving deposits. The marine issues most encounter are related to old varnish deposits in tanks which the alcohol breaks free and redeposits in other areas. I would be very surprised to see any sludge build up in a 5000 mi throttle body. Alcohol is a great solvent. I personally work with a professional custom engine builder who complains of alcohol in gasoline cleaning engines too much not leaving any lubricating residues which leads to lack of lubrication issues and potential corrosion issues. The worst part of the E85 gasoline is the lower power which equals to higher consumption by volume to equal good old fashion gasoline power.

Now for the stalling. There is no doubt BMW knows more about this than everybody. IMHO what's occuring is a record time response in fuel restriction feed to the throttle body. This new emissions standards which engine builders must comply with causes definite software issues. I have a G650 single electronic Beamer which had stalling issues that felt like they were electronic related. After the last dealer service much less trouble. Seems so much performance is being derived from these small engines that there is always a compromise. :scratch

If you don't like BMW engineering go to HD where a skip is designed in!:wow

[pakyohmeca]

Hi
Has anyone received a formal notice from BMW on the stalling issue?? Through the efforts of the owners and dealers the fix is being completed but I was wondering about a letter from BMW.

Thanks
Don S

[Semper_Fi]

I have not - i think the only one I got officially from BMWNA was the foaming front brake.

[pakyohmeca]

Hi
Had teh 14.2 upgrade done on the bike today. About 20 miles into the ride home the <!> light illuminated. This light indicates low oil so I took the seat off and checked. The oil is fine. The shop asked that I bring it back next week and they will run the computer on it.

Don S
2009 K1300GT

[Semper_Fi]

Hi
Had teh 14.2 upgrade done on the bike today. About 20 miles into the ride home the <!> light illuminated. This light indicates low oil so I took the seat off and checked. The oil is fine. The shop asked that I bring it back next week and they will run the computer on it.

Don S
2009 K1300GT


Same here - just waiting for 14.3

Don't sweat it - if you don't set the computer so that it checks the oil - it does not come on - at least that is what I observed. Have only been able to ride the bike 3 times since the update.

On a different note how do you find the driveability as compared to the original software?

[pakyohmeca]

Hi
I have only 40+ miles since the update but a quick assessment "feels" like there is less forward lurch when the engine is decelerating. Let off the throttle and there is a smoother transition to coasting. Very noticeable RPM hesitation at ~1400rpm. I had some slack removed from the throttle and this is also contributing to a much more responsive on-off-on throttling feeling. Top this off with the first oil change using synthetic oil and even the shifting is easier/quieter. All of this with a great big grin from ear to ear until the low oil light came on. Everything just feels smoother. Maybe it's my imagination but that's OK.

Don S

[Semper_Fi]

..... Maybe it's my imagination but that's OK.

Don S

don't think so because i have the same grin :beer

[dwestly]

don't think so because i have the same grin :beer

+1;)

[pakyohmeca]

I did about 220 miles yesterday. During this ride I had the first engine stall in five months. Same kind of conditions-decelerating to a stop. Weird thing is that I was at the stop for ~5seconds and didn't realize it had stalled. The computer readout MPG is running about 1 mpg less than before the upgrade.

Don S

[dwestly]

Interesting...were there any other unusual conditions at the time? Unusual fuel, etc?...

[pakyohmeca]

Interesting...were there any other unusual conditions at the time? Unusual fuel, etc?...

The only thing that I can think of is it was on a downhill stop. I was following another bike and and we had to do full stops to check traffic. He pulled out and I leaned into it and came up empty. It didn't stall on the remainder of the ride.

Don S

[Motogp]

Good thing there wasnt a car behind you anticipating your departure as your friend pulled away. BMW should pay close attention to the civil lawsuits that Toyota is currently dealing with regarding thier engineering flaws. Maybe they will come up with a real fix before another life is taken due to thier inability to maintain thier products.

In this day and age, this type of performance flaw is just not acceptable. At least 30 years ago with carburators and points, you could feel a problem before it just up and died!

Good luck with this issue and be as safe as you can. You may want to park the BMW and take the Harley or Honda instead on that next ride!

[pakyohmeca]

Actually there was a jeep behind me who let me know that I needed to get going.

I am treating this one stall as an isolated instance. I was really frustrated with the previous stalling issues until I had the throttle bodies cleaned. That action fixed my stalling issues and that is why I waited to have the 14.2 update done. The bike is one super scoot when it is performing properly and I am going to ride it like it is right and treat that stall the other day as one isolated instance.

Don S

[Motogp]

Hey Don,

For your sake, I hope it is isolated to this one incident and you have many trouble free miles.

[pakyohmeca]

The dealer notified me today that they have received an update for my bike that will fix the "low oil level" light that has come on since the 14.2 upgrade. I didn't ask if this is 14.2.1 or 14.3 or any of that stuff. i will get the new software patch installed on Friday morning and will also try to get a good number for the update.

Don S

[Semper_Fi]

The dealer notified me today that they have received an update for my bike that will fix the "low oil level" light that has come on since the 14.2 upgrade. I didn't ask if this is 14.2.1 or 14.3 or any of that stuff. i will get the new software patch installed on Friday morning and will also try to get a good number for the update.

Don S


Please do as i need the same update :dance

[pakyohmeca]

Luis
I will do my best to get the exact number so we can all keep the configurations straight.

Don S

[dwestly]

Yes, please, as I think I got the 14.2 update, but I haven't had the oil light issue even once...

[pakyohmeca]

Unlike the stalling failure, the low oil warning light is not intermittent at all. It is on rock solid as soon as the bike gets warm. Also no way of doing the electronic oil level check. I doubt that you will get the light since it hasn't happened already. This has been my experience. Maybe Luis can comment especially if his experience has been different.

Don S

[Semper_Fi]

My occurance for the <!> is when I have the bike computer set to Tire Pressure so that when the bike is stoped it defaults to checking the oil.

Once it has enough time to check it I get the oil warning and it stays there until I shut the bike off for a good while - I shut it off to fuel up and it was back when I started it back up.

When I fired the back up the next day it was gone.

What I have done lately (and when the weather allows me to ride) i set the BC fro temperature reading and i get it. :dunno

Hope that helps

[dwestly]

Ah, that may be the difference. I don't have the TPM, or for that matter the ESA system on my GT. I have the base version computer, so it always defaults to the oil sensor.

[Semper_Fi]

Do you have any way to change what it is displaying ?

[pakyohmeca]

Ah, that may be the difference. I don't have the TPM, or for that matter the ESA system on my GT. I have the base version computer, so it always defaults to the oil sensor.
I do not have the TPM but do have the "low oil level" light.

Don S

[pakyohmeca]

No good news at all.

The software "patch" had my VIN number for it's configuration.

The patch did not fix the "low oil level" light problem. The light <!> is still illuminated when the engine is warm.

The dealer was on the phone with BMW but there was no resolution. The dealers are at the mercy of BMW on these warranty issues.

In two more days(2/28) it will be nine full months since I initiated this thread. Seems like we should of made more progress. I think the stalling is fixed but we still have lingering issues with the fix.

The bike runs absolutely great.

Don S

[dwestly]

I still have all the basic computer functions such as mpg, miles to empty, temp, etc... I just don't have TPM or any of the "Premium" package stuff...no heated seat either (of course I live in Tampa, although the heated grips have come in handy a time or two this winter, even down here!).

[pakyohmeca]

Hi
Took the bike in this morning and the dealer installed a patch to the vehicle order s/w and all is good. The oil ck light now works and the low oil level light does not come on erroneously.
This is quite possibly the end of the trail for my stalling issues and the subsequent fixes.

Don S

[Motogp]

That is great news! Just in time for the good riding weather. Many safe trouble free miles to you!

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