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VanFrederick
05-14-2009, 07:10 PM
Awful, awful.

Sunday I got rear-ended by a teenager whose only concern behind the wheel
was keeping her cell phone up to her ear. That's another story completely.
Suffice it to say that the only reason I'm still alive is because I have a
sidecar rig. If I were on a solo bike, I'd have gone down and been pushed
into oncoming traffic. As it was the damage was restricted to the taillight,
fender and sidecases. I hope.

Tuesday, on my way into Philly to meet with my attorney and get the bike
damage estimate, my kill switch failed causing the bike to die on the
Schuykill near Manayunk. I know it was the kill switch because jiggling it
worked for a while but after the fifth time, it failed completely and no
amount of jiggling could resuscitate it. I'll spare you the details of that
hellish day except to say that what I should have done is unclip the
starter/kill switch, clean off the contacts, and reinstall it. What I ended
up doing was cutting wires and trying to bypass the kill switch by patching
one of the thick power wires into one of the other ones. This gave me power
to the ignition and I was able to pushstart the bike and get it home.

Pulling into the driveway, though, the red battery light came on and the
gear position indicator went out. I got a new brand new combo switch,
installed it. But the gear position indicator is still out and the start
button is ineffective. The red battery light isn't on anymore. Everything
else works fine, headlights, blinkers, etc. It behaves just like it did when
the kill switch failed in the first place: no power to ignition, start
button does nothing, the rest of the stuff on the right combo switch works
fine. It's a brand new switch so there shouldn't be anything wrong with the kill/start.

AFAIK there is no fuse that just regulates the ignition and the gear
position indicator. Is there a relay that just does this? What else could I
have fried? The bike ran fine for 20 minutes! Then, something happened.

I am thankful that it waited until I got in the driveway...if it had died
again on the way home I would have had a nervous breakdown.

BTW the dog is fine. She didn't hit the sidecar, just my rear wheel.

Van

98lee
05-14-2009, 07:19 PM
Try starting it with the clutch in. If the gear indicator is not working, it doesn't know it is in neutral. Putting in the clutch bypasses that circuit (if your clutch lever switch is working properly).

If it starts, then all we need to do is figure out the gear shift indicator problem.


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98lee
05-14-2009, 07:23 PM
Also check the battery voltage, Running with the wires jumped MIGHT not have allowed the alternator circuit to function. You MIGHT just have a very low battery.


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VanFrederick
05-14-2009, 07:29 PM
Tried with the clutch in, no cigar.

I don't have voltmeter but the lights are bright and the low battery light isn't on. I'll put a charger on it tonite.

Any other ideas? Is there a relay?

My biggest fear is that I fried the brain. If the brain is fried, would that interrupt current to the gear indicator LED and the start button?

Van

VanFrederick
05-15-2009, 07:23 AM
It was fuse #1. It was dark last night and it was the original fuse, not the transparent plastic kind.

Didn't get a good look at it or start swapping fuses out till this morning. The fuse case lists the function of each fuse but there's nothing on #1 about the kill switch or ignition.

Thanks folks!

Van

98lee
05-15-2009, 08:41 AM
:thumb :clap :clap :clap

Somehow I had got the impression that you had already checked all your fuses. I had even put that there is a fuse in that circuit in a post that I had started to write and then deleted.:doh

Glad to hear that all is well.


P.S. Great video and website! Bikes and Dogs, two things that are also close to my heart! We've had five "rescued" dogs. Still have two.

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motoedde
05-15-2009, 09:19 AM
It was fuse #1. It was dark last night and it was the original fuse, not the transparent plastic kind.

Didn't get a good look at it or start swapping fuses out till this morning. The fuse case lists the function of each fuse but there's nothing on #1 about the kill switch or ignition.

Thanks folks!

Van


You're not done yet...the fuse is a clue. Why the fuse went, is now the problem to chase.
if you need help...drop by my place...and we'll square it away.
Glad to read you and Bo are safe...

98lee
05-15-2009, 10:09 AM
You're not done yet...the fuse is a clue. Why the fuse went, is now the problem to chase.

I would venture to guess that, while he was removing the old switch gear harness with the bared wires in it, he inadvertently grounded one of the wires momentarily.:dunno


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motoedde
05-15-2009, 10:45 AM
I would venture to guess that, while he was removing the old switch gear harness with the bared wires in it, he inadvertently grounded one of the wires momentarily.:dunno


Possibly...if he puts a new fuse in there...and it doesn't blow again, then you may have guessed right.

Diagnosing electrical issues are fun;) NOT!

nh7robmw
05-15-2009, 04:45 PM
I just had a thread about this same problem last week---"Starter, alternator, ign. switch or relay going out?"

Two things went wrong: Low battery was the main culprit.

Blew the 1st fuse, too, so no gear indicator at all. Nothing at the starter button either.

Got it started via a downhill compression start and then was able to start it with the clutch in after that. Replaced the fuse and charged the battery (which had been sitting for 6 weeks without a ride to keep it up).

Only casualty was the 7.5 amp fuse and my Hella FF50s blew (again)---low voltage seems to do that.

jurgen
05-16-2009, 10:03 PM
Awful, awful.

As it was the damage was restricted to the taillight,
fender and sidecases. I hope.



Now that you got the e-gremlins chased away, you should take a very careful look at your chassis geometry. If you were rear-ended, something may be bent or broken. Hacks are quite sensitive to being pushed from the wrong angles - it's not like a car where a fenderbender usually does not have serious consequences.

Have it checked out by a knowledgeable specialist. And hope she has insurance!
Good luck!