Fundraiser for the Ultimate Coast to Coast World Record Attempt

[Voni]

World Record Attempt

John Ryan needs our help to set a new World Record.

I know Paul and I will lend our support.

From John:
A study of my spectacular failure
last year concludes that breaking the motorcycle
record of 96 hours, one minute from Prudhoe Bay, Alaska
to Key West, Florida is very attainable. Therefore, I
have no choice other than to try again.

To this end, friends and supporters have arranged a
fundraiser lunch in New Brunswick, New Jersey, on
Saturday, May 2nd. Evelyn's Restaurant will provide a
buffet of both carnivorous and vegetarian dishes, as well
as a cash bar, from 1 to 5PM.

Evelyn's Restaurant & Bar
45 Easton Avenue
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
732-246-8792

Bob Higdon will supply caustic wisdom, and Melissa
Pierson, author of "The Perfect Vehicle - What It is About
Motorcycles" will have signed copies of her book
available. A trophy will be awarded to the long distance
rider.

Tickets will cost $100 per person. They can be
purchased, and donations to the effort in any amount can
be made through PayPal, by sending money to johncharlesryan@yahoo.com.

Thank you, and best regards,
John Ryan

[AKBeemer]

I'll provide whatever on the ground support I can while he's in the Fairbanks area. I can help with accomodations, garage space etc. I'll try to contact him via email.

[jdmetzger]

According to google, Prudhoe Bay to Key West is 5566 miles. Dividing that by 96 hours means you have to average 57.979mph for the duration of the 96 hours. That doesn't account for sleep, food and fuel stops, or the fact that averaging nearly 60mph on the Dalton is not likely.

Doesn't sound terribly safe to me. :dunno

[widebmw]

"Riding for Green"
http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34725

People are talking about fundraising for what maybe a free ride but now I see a fundraising for a "World Record".

What is the point of that.:scratch Riding for my own Ego.:dunno

:bolt

[StevenK]

I'm all for people attempting great (or not so great), daring (or just plain dumb), feats. Not so much for asking other people to pay for them.

[Voni]

According to google, Prudhoe Bay to Key West is 5566 miles. Dividing that by 96 hours means you have to average 57.979mph for the duration of the 96 hours. That doesn't account for sleep, food and fuel stops, or the fact that averaging nearly 60mph on the Dalton is not likely.

Doesn't sound terribly safe to me. :dunno

Probably not for you or me.:dunno

John Ryan is a whole other rider!

And as to asking for funding, pass it on by if it's not your cup of tea.

But I'd like to feel part of this effort, so I'm willing to ask.:whistle

Voni
sMiling

[AKBeemer]

There are tales of riders doing the Deadhorse to Fairbanks run at average speeds approaching 100 MPH. I'm more likely to average 10 then 100, but it is actually a place to bank some time since it is not heavily patrolled.

Established contact with John and will provide him a place to stay along with a mutual friend from Glennallen who is assisting him.

[Voni]

Thanks!:brad

Voni
sMiling

[BubbaZanetti]

The man who did the 1k/24hrs entirely in manhattan, not sure if i can make the dinner, but maybe i can send a little something his way. One of NYC's more interesting motorcycle personalities.

[Rod Sheridan]

Probably not for you or me.:dunno

John Ryan is a whole other rider!

And as to asking for funding, pass it on by if it's not your cup of tea.

But I'd like to feel part of this effort, so I'm willing to ask.:whistle

Voni
sMiling

He may be a whole other rider Voni, however that doesn't make it safe for him or other users of the road.

Regards, Rod.

[Muriel]

Although I won't be able to attend the dinner, I will send a contribution. John Ryan, as those of you who know him, is one determined man. He talks about his "spectacular failure", which he truly believes. However, for us normal beings, while he didn't set a new record in his last attempt, he missed by only a few hours (five?). Not only did John set the record for New York, but also Washington, DC and more recently San Francisco - riding about 1500 miles in 24 hours! John has to be one of the smoothest riders going - he lapped others while setting his San Francisco record!

Best of luck, John!

Muriel

[108625]

No ordinary human being?

How about this kid:

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/features/122_0509_2005_motcyclist_year/index.html

Or ways we can support his cause:

http://www.pbtfus.org/rideforkids/calendar/2009/

If some guy wants to break a record, good for him. If asking for us to fund it is the best way he can figure out how to support his own ego gratification, you're right, I have the option to pass. I also reserve the right to call attention to other riders seeking our participation in accomplishing a goal.

[deilenberger]

The man who did the 1k/24hrs entirely in manhattan, not sure if i can make the dinner, but maybe i can send a little something his way. One of NYC's more interesting motorcycle personalities.Watch that Derek.. John's a Jersey Boy, born and bred.. he just wanders into NYC for money.

Voni - if you and Paul want a place to stay for the fundraiser, we'll probably have the house pretty much done by then. Beats a tent in John's backyard.. (plus I'm sure I can find something for Paul to rebuild in the garage..)

[Voni]

O.K. When I heard about the chance to support John Ryan in his ultimate
coast to coast ride, I was psyched. To think I could be a small part of
his record setting felt really good. Then I realized the timing was
off. The date of the dinner was GRANDPARENTS day in Iowa for Noah AND
Brody. So we couldn't go. Bummer.

But I knew he'd make it without us. After all Pontiac was his key
sponsor. Until yesterday. Just kidding!

What to do! I decided Paul and I could forego our Friday night dinner at
the Freestate Brewery in Lawrence, Kansas. And I'm sure Paul could cook
up a nutritious inexpensive meal at home.

And I could paypal my small support to johncharlesryan@yahoo.com.

Life is good again.

If you found yourself faced with the same tough choices, I'd be
eternally grateful if you could meet my challenge.

Voni
sMiling

> > **** John's message about his event ****
> >
> > A study of my spectacular failure
> > last year concludes that breaking the motorcycle record of 96 hours, one minute from Prudhoe Bay, Alaska to Key West, Florida is very attainable. Therefore, I have no choice other than to try again.
> >
> > To this end, friends and supporters have arranged a fundraiser lunch in New Brunswick, New Jersey, on Saturday, May 2nd. Evelyn's Restaurant will provide a buffet of both carnivorous and vegetarian dishes, as well as a cash bar, from 1 to 5PM.
> >
> > Evelyn's Restaurant & Bar
> > 45 Easton Avenue
> > New Brunswick, NJ 08901
> > 732-246-8792
> >
> > Bob Higdon will provide caustic wisdom, and Melissa Pierson, author of "The Perfect Vehicle - What It Is About Motorcycles" will have signed copies of her book available. A trophy will be awarded to the long distance rider.
> >
> > Tickets will cost $100 per person. They can be purchased, and donations to the effort made, through PayPal, by sending money to johncharlesryan@yahoo.com.
> >
> > Thank you, and best regards,
> > John Ryan

[deilenberger]

The man who did the 1k/24hrs entirely in manhattan, not sure if i can make the dinner, but maybe i can send a little something his way. One of NYC's more interesting motorcycle personalities.Actually - NJ's.. but why bicker.

John also established the 24 in some mind numbingly small area with the first WDC 24. So far, San Francisco, NYC and WDC have fallen. The trick according to John is planning, which he's exceptional at.

I'll be there Saturday..:drink

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Motorcycle%20Pics/0502JohnRyan097.jpg

Still chance to be part of history as these Iron Butt denizens were in New Brunswick yesterday.

More pictures to follow once I get back from Vermont.

[gfspencer]

And as to asking for funding, pass it on by if it's not your cup of tea.
My goal is to ride around Europe this summer, stay in fancy hotels, eat in nice restaurants, drink German beer, etc. Can I count on your support? :stick

[PGlaves]

My goal is to ride around Europe this summer, stay in fancy hotels, eat in nice restaurants, drink German beer, etc. Can I count on your support? :stick

Certainly - if you propose to do a documented IBA extreme ride better than anybody has ever done it before. Otherwise - go tour on your own nickel like I do every summer.

[PAULBACH]

For more photos from the New Brunswick gathering

Click Here (http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Motorcycle%20Pics/Ryan%20Brunswick/?albumview=slideshow)
Lots of MOA members in attendance.

[Muriel]

Great pictures Paul. Wish I could have been there.

Muriel

[OUTBACKUFO]

I think it is great for someone to try such feats... though i still prefer to go by the IBA feeling that it at the end of the day is about SAFETY, and Safe Riding long distances... granted the Tri-ifica has been done by a few people (4500miles 72hrs) but that is still a platinum level IBA ride that is risky to say the least with the amount of others on the road he has to deal with and deal with him... I have stopped short multiple times in BBG1500 rides and other like 1kss for weather to just bad timing instead of over pushing the limits... and i do push the limits... 18hrs and 1020 miles last week is just warming up somedays..

Giennus World Records stopped allowing records on public roads a while ago.




But if he is a terminal Insominac then it is a great use of his time...

[vincewinkel]

Paul, thanks for all the photos!


Vince

[AKBeemer]

Scheduled to arrive in Fairbanks on 23 May +/- a day or two. Two days at my place for tires, oil change and any other required maintenance, then he heads north to Deadhorse.

[PAULBACH]

Kevin,

Please be sure to share photos when he arrives. Wish we had thought to put a SPOT on his bike so we could all share the progress in real time.

Paul

[Voni]

Thanks for the update, Kevin!

Can't wait!!!!

Voni
sMiling

[deilenberger]

For more photos from the New Brunswick gathering

Click Here (http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Motorcycle%20Pics/Ryan%20Brunswick/?albumview=slideshow)
Lots of MOA members in attendance.Jeeze Paul.. it's true - the camera puts 40-50lbs on you.. some people it makes taller, some people wider!

Good time!

[Motor31]

Is he attempting this "feat" in stages and using elapsed time or is he planning to just do this in one shot?

If he's planning on doing this I would consider supporting him provided he used a closed track where no one else is at risk for his fatigue and sleep deprivation. Doing this on the open roads with other folks driving there is neither smart nor safe.

[AKBeemer]

Is he attempting this "feat" in stages....?

Yes, one.

[Voni]

Sadly, we've become a nation of critics.

What we need are dreamers and doers.

John's a doer. With the talent and skill and experience to get it done. Safely.

Getting ready to celebrate!

Voni

[AKBeemer]

The site below provides some interesting background info on Mr. Ryan. Some of us that lead traditional lives can feel mystified, maybe even challenged by a person who dances to a different drummer. He will be the third such individual I've hosted in my home in as many months (Sjaak Luccesen / Doris Weidermann) and I find them fascinating; not to mention entertaining people with whom to share an adult beverage.

http://longerfasterstronger.wordpress.com

(Guess he's really the 5th such person. Had those adventurers Paul and Voni stop in for a visit last summer too!)

[PAULBACH]

Jeeze Paul.. it's true - the camera puts 40-50lbs on you.. some people it makes taller, some people wider!

Good time!

That's why I take the pictures - cannot find a wide enough lens to get all of me in the picture. :laugh

[Voni]

The site below provides some interesting background info on Mr. Ryan. Some of us that lead traditional lives can feel mystified, maybe even challenged by a person who dances to a different drummer. He will be the third such individual I've hosted in my home in as many months (Sjaak Luccesen / Doris Weidermann) and I find them fascinating; not to mention entertaining people with whom to share an adult beverage.

http://longerfasterstronger.wordpress.com

(Guess he's really the 5th such person. Had those adventurers Paul and Voni stop in for a visit last summer too!)



:wow

That's pretty tough company ; )

I can vouch that your hospitality is beyond measure!

Voni
sMiling

[freedom45]

Good luck on the quest for the new record. Gary Eagan's record, I presume, still stands. Some individuals have ability, skill and discipline acquired through experience and pose no significant risk to themselves or the general public, which is why most riders in IB complete the event tired, but, unscathed. I believe that their safety per mile excees that of motorcyclists in general.

Endurance riding is about expanding the time, distance, speed envelope. It attracts riders for multitude reasons and is best evaluated by those that have participated in such events. While there is a competitive nature to it, the real challenge is the personal quest for the participant to go beyond what has previously been done by that rider in previous attempts. It isn't about physical endurance as much as transcending preconceived and self imposed limits. It is a mind game. It is exhilirating.

In the 80s, the 1000 in 24 attracted a few. Other western state events expanded the mileage, then they expanded the duration. 24 hours gave way to 36 hour events and, then, 48 hour events. Doing 2K in 24 became a reality to those that were prepared and several have achieved it. Notably, without fatalities or public damage. There have always been critics, mostly within motorcycle fraternities. There have been cries for limitations, mandatory rest stops and other nonsense that simply gets in the way of striving to reach the highest level of endurance possible.

Still, the Cognoscente forge ahead, achieve what hasn't been done before and in the process get a glimpse of human and machine potential. Motorcycling is the symbiosis of man and machine in whatever format one chooses, each depending on the other. It is riding pure and simple and assigns the rhetoric of the naysayers to the same trash heap that has held back progress and advancement since human history was recorded. We have no idea of our ultimate potential.

Ride hard, young man.

[Motor31]

The premier endurance race is the Le Mans. Even they use multiple drivers working in shifts and for a 24 hour race. It's also done on a track where there is no risk to the general public.

This "endeavor" for a meaningless record is neither smart nor safe. After 48 hours of sleep deprivation the driver reflexes and higher brain functions are significantly degraded. After 72 hours the degradation is more than a little severe. There are far more effective ways to support charity than a silly stunt like this.

I'll state it again. If he wants to pull off a stunt like this it needs to be done on a track, not in traffic. Doing so in traffic is irresponsible at best and extremely negligent at worst.

Ron White said it when he coined the phrase, "You can't fix stupid".

[BubbaZanetti]

The premier endurance race is the Le Mans. Even they use multiple drivers working in shifts and for a 24 hour race. It's also done on a track where there is no risk to the general public.

i'm pretty sure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_Le_Mans_disaster) that Mr. Ryan will not pose much of a danger to those who happen to cross paths with him during his journey.

as someone who tried a few long distance rides, i know it is not for me. i'm an 8 hour a night sleeper, i don't work well on little sleep or weird schedules. some people are perfectly coherent and highly functional on a sleep schedule different than mine. John also has a ton of LD riding under his belt and what i've learned from most people who do these sort of endurance rides is that sleep and fatigue are king. they will stop if they feel they are putting themselves or others at danger. no LD record is worth injury or death.

[jdmetzger]

Good luck on the quest for the new record. Gary Eagan's record, I presume, still stands. Some individuals have ability, skill and discipline acquired through experience and pose no significant risk to themselves or the general public, which is why most riders in IB complete the event tired, but, unscathed. I believe that their safety per mile excees that of motorcyclists in general.

Endurance riding is about expanding the time, distance, speed envelope. It attracts riders for multitude reasons and is best evaluated by those that have participated in such events. While there is a competitive nature to it, the real challenge is the personal quest for the participant to go beyond what has previously been done by that rider in previous attempts. It isn't about physical endurance as much as transcending preconceived and self imposed limits. It is a mind game. It is exhilirating.

In the 80s, the 1000 in 24 attracted a few. Other western state events expanded the mileage, then they expanded the duration. 24 hours gave way to 36 hour events and, then, 48 hour events. Doing 2K in 24 became a reality to those that were prepared and several have achieved it. Notably, without fatalities or public damage. There have always been critics, mostly within motorcycle fraternities. There have been cries for limitations, mandatory rest stops and other nonsense that simply gets in the way of striving to reach the highest level of endurance possible.

Still, the Cognoscente forge ahead, achieve what hasn't been done before and in the process get a glimpse of human and machine potential. Motorcycling is the symbiosis of man and machine in whatever format one chooses, each depending on the other. It is riding pure and simple and assigns the rhetoric of the naysayers to the same trash heap that has held back progress and advancement since human history was recorded. We have no idea of our ultimate potential.

Ride hard, young man.

I've stayed quiet because I didn't want to rain on this guys parade, but after reading this "superman" speech I have to say, again, look at the math:

Prudhoe Bay to Key West is 5566 miles. Dividing that by 96 hours means you have to average 57.979mph for the duration of the 96 hours. That doesn't account for sleep, food and fuel stops, or the fact that averaging nearly 60mph on the Dalton is not likely.

Study after study after study has shown how badly reaction time drops in sleep deprived people. They found that people who drive after being awake for 17 to 19 hours performed worse than those with a blood alcohol level of .05 percent.

So I ask, when is he going to sleep? 96 hours = 4 days. Lets still be risky but give him 4 hours of sleep a day with no other stops. That cuts him down to 84 hours to cover 5566 miles. Now he has to average 69.5mph over the trip. Not only is averaging 69.5mph over the whole trip pretty hard, 4 hours of sleep a day for 4 days is not nearly enough sleep from a safety standpoint. They don't let truckers do that for a reason.

I can see the IBA thing - you can cover 1000 miles in 24 hours averaging just under 60mph and still get 7 hours of sleep a night. You can even do the 1500 in 36 and get some good sleep in the middle.

[AKBeemer]

Josh, I'll disagree with your assessment of his ability to average 57 or higher on the Dalton. It's been done at much higher averages. A skilled rider with little likelihood of being pulled for speeding means this could be a stretch where one gains a bunch of time.

[jdmetzger]

Josh, I'll disagree with your assessment of his ability to average 57 or higher on the Dalton. It's been done at much higher averages. A skilled rider with little likelihood of being pulled for speeding means this could be a stretch where one gains a bunch of time.

Even so, he has to average a pretty high overall speed to keep an average of 60, and again, that's a figure for sleepless riding. For example, I rode from Raddison, QC to North Bay, Ontario - 752 miles. I was averaging 80+ on the James Bay Road (slowing for bumps), but after fuel and only one "long" stop to eat, I still ended up averaging about 60mph. Get rid of my food stop and switch to only gas stops and I'm sure I would have been averaging a little bit higher, but in the end I'm just saying, even forgetting about the Dalton and considering the distance he has to go, I don't see how this is safe since even getting very small amounts of sleep takes his average up to 70mph or more.

I hadn't really posted much about this after my initial post because I didn't want to rain on the parade, but seeing some of the talk of "superhuman" bothered me a little. Nobody can function on a lack of sleep, regardless of if they think so - humans need sleep. I hope he IS smart enough to stop if he's endangering others on the road. I'd enjoy seeing his trip plan, just to know how much sleep he has planned. I honestly hope he has a safe ride.

[AKBeemer]

Understand your concerns and such an endeavor is not without risk. Because he's on a bike and not in a car the risk to others is small. In my opinion we have become a risk averse society which can lead to mediocrity and blandness. It's as if Ralph Nadar and Phil Donahue have taken control of our society. Yes we are safer for it, but sometimes don't you get the urge to to run with scissors? There are those that consider people like you a wild eyed fanatic because you ride a bike; these same people would support legislation to stop you irrational and irresponsible behavior. I think we are better off if we have people willing to take a risk and run that appliance without a three prong plug.

[freedom45]

Endurance riding is a specialized endeavor and to perform well takes progressively longer saddle time during which one acquires added skills and discipline. Auxilliary fuel allows for saddle times of four to five hours staight, yet, there are many riders that would find it impossible to stay in the saddle for that length of time. An experienced rider can do it repeatedly. This is part of the process of minimizing the physical barrier to achievement. The tougher aspect are the mental barriers.

Overcoming fatigue and finding the individual mechanisms to stay alert for extended periods of time requires a dedicated effort, but, it can and has been done multiple times. I don't disagree with some of the observations about diminished reaction times and the effect of fatigue in general. But, that's exactly the point -- experienced and successful endurance riders have acquired the ability to extend their safe riding envelope. They can and do recognize when the "signs" of fatigue are beginning to have an affect and react accordingly.

Granted, this level of riding is difficult to master and, in many ways, is beyond the interest or ability of the majority. No problem. OTOH, I would caution those that have neither talent nor inclination to participate at this level to recognize there are some select riders that have gone well beyond the limitations that they, the critics, cite or perceive. Beyond that, it seems those critics that simply can't recognize the ability of others are, perhaps, a bit too quick to dismiss those that give us an idea of the human potential when man meets machine.

Endurance riding is not the place for moma's boyz, whiners or slackers, all of whom drop out early on. It is a tough endeavor where seldom is found disparaging words about those rider's integrity or ability that choose not to participate. It would be nice if that were reciprocal.

Go get the record! Smash it!

[Rev_Eddie]

not everyone needs the same amount of sleep to function normally.
To the guy who needs 8 hours a night, changing to 5 might have a devastating effect.
To the guy who needs 4, three might not be so bad.

Just because one person can't/won't do something doesn't automatically make it unsafe for everyone.
To compare John's ride to the constant stress of a flat-out race is apples and oranges.

To use a comparison of one highly skilled motorcycle rider with a law regulating truckers at the lowest common denominator for all of them is also apples and oranges.

Several riders in the endurance community heard of Egan setting the record a few years back and though "I could beat that". I never found the time to attempt it, but I certainly believe it's doable--I calculate by about 5 hours. Plan wisely the 13 or 14 fuel stops needed, have arrangements in place for the hotel stop or three and then go.

Something many don't understand is that much of endurance riding isn't about how you ride--it's about how you stop. If you can run 5+ hours at a time non-stop, that's only three stops per day. your fourth stop comes when you stop for fuel/hotel.
Keep the speed at 65/70/75 the rest of the time and see how easy it can be to stay above the needed average.

Not everyone can do everything.
Some don't have the skills needed to participate in this type of event.
I couldn't run a marathon.
My friend can't do brain surgery.

....but I have to wonder why someone who hasn't done the activity in question feels the need to tell others "how it really is", or what a rider with skills unknown to them is capable of doing.

[freedom45]

Hey Rev, Is Lyle still riding your back seat?

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Motorcycle%20Pics/RyanBrunswick021.jpg
John Ryan has already broken 24 hour records in

New York
Washington, DC
San Francisco

This run is more a measure of

the machine
road conditions
fortuitous timing

[Rev_Eddie]

Hey Rev, Is Lyle still riding your back seat?

After several hundred thousand miles (including five Iron Butt Rallies) Lyle retired a few years back. He assumed that meant he'd be put out for stud service--he's been kinda disappointed in that department :mad

[Statdawg]

World Record Attempt

John Ryan needs our help to set a new World Record.
:)

This thread was to raise awareness of an event and a call to interested members to support a fellow rider, it should be nothing more than that.

Its as if one of our members is riding for charity in and for a foreign land, you can support them or not. Don't degrade or attempt to invalidate a dream of another. If you don't like the story or ad turn the page.

[freedom45]

:)

This thread was to raise awareness of an event and a call to interested members to support a fellow rider, it should be nothing more than that.

Its as if one of our members is riding for charity in and for a foreign land, you can support them or not. Don't degrade or attempt to invalidate a dream of another. If you don't like the story or ad turn the page.


Thanks for getting the thread back on track. My contribution will be sent tonight .

[Motor31]

:)

This thread was to raise awareness of an event and a call to interested members to support a fellow rider, it should be nothing more than that.

Its as if one of our members is riding for charity in and for a foreign land, you can support them or not. Don't degrade or attempt to invalidate a dream of another. If you don't like the story or ad turn the page.

So are you saying that ONLY those who are supporting this questionable endeavor are allowed to post about it?

[widebmw]

This is not a charity ride it is a ego driven event.
Last year I thought that commercial links were banned from members signatures but now its OK to beg for money for someone's joy ride.:nono

[jdmetzger]

The OP did not post this as a commercial advertisement, nor was it spammed all over the forum. It also wasn't simply "give this guy money", it was "hey, this guy is doing something I think is cool, feel free to help him out if you want". I don't see it being much past "poker run" events in the events section.

At this point, if you want to donate to the cause then donate, and if not that's fine, too. In the meantime, while I've voiced my concerns (and honestly I never would have if I knew people were going to start taking things to the level they have gotten to - on all sides), I will be interested to hear how this works out for him. I'd be interested, after the fact (as it may be "confidential") to see what his schedule looked like - planned vs actual for fuel and rest stops. I'm going to assume he will be eating on the move.

I hope we can all wish him a safe ride! :thumb

[AKBeemer]

When John gets here I plan on starting a thread to provide info and pictures of his time here. Depending on the timing of his ride I may ride up the haul road and try to get a picture or two as he passes by (I would ride with him and pass him for some action shots, but there is the small problem of me not having the required riding or photographic talent to do so). John has let me know that he does not mind me doing so.

Just so it is not a surprise to everyone, he is riding a FJR not his beemer for this attempt. Most would think it a noteworthy accomplishment just to do the road on a FJR.

[Stuff2C]

I wonder how many of these folks listened to the "oh no...it's too dangerous" folks.

www.guinnessworldrecords.com

[Motor31]

Statdog,

You say ONLY those that want to support should post then drop this little gem at the end. "here is mine, freedom of press from a fellow veteran."

First off this isn't the press. Secondly if there is any freedom there has to be freedom for the opposing opinion to be voiced. Make up your mind, is this going to be your simple cheerleader utopia idea here on the board or is there really freedom? :scratch

Stuff2c, how many of those records were done on public roadways, in traffic with folks who not only not asked if they mind participating in the risk or even have any idea that there is some kind of race record going on?

If this guy wants to set some kind of endurance record he is certainly welcome to do so. On a sanctioned, monitored and safe track where the risk is to himself in trying for a record. The event can then be monitored, recorded and verified that he actually achieved what he set out to do.

[jdmetzger]

/MOD HAT ON

All, please keep your posts on-topic about the ride or rider. Posting your opinion is allowed, but sniping at each other will not be tolerated anywhere on the forum and will result in moderation actions. Thanks.

/MOD HAT OFF

[jdmetzger]

:thumb

Continue with freedom till the Mod comes. :scratch

Ah, but the forum is a privilege, not a right. :) In this case it's still a privilege for all here to enjoy, assuming we can keep the heated debates cordial. :nod

[freedom45]

Iron Butt Association has very carefully defined methods of documentation. I am confident John will get the witness signatures and fuel receipts needed to satisfy scrutiny of his ride.

[AKBeemer]

Had a voice mail from John Ryan today. He is in Minot, ND sorting out some issues with his bike. Leaves tomorrow and expects to be in Fairbanks by Thursday. Needs to fix a problem with his CB when he gets here; an important tool for his try at the record. If all goes well he could start the run next weekend.

Too bad he could not hold to his original schedule that had him starting this weekend. The weather is dry and warm. Annie and I rode up the Dalton today to have lunch at the Hot Spot Cafe (5 miles north of the Yukon) and the road is in great shape. Hope it stays that way for John.

More to follow.....

[jdmetzger]

Had a voice mail from John Ryan today. He is in Minot, ND sorting out some issues with his bike. Leaves tomorrow and expects to be in Fairbanks by Thursday. Needs to fix a problem with his CB when he gets here; an important tool for his try at the record. If all goes well he could start the run next weekend.

Too bad he could not hold to his original schedule that had him starting this weekend. The weather is dry and warm. Annie and I rode up the Dalton today to have lunch at the Hot Spot Cafe (5 miles north of the Yukon) and the road is in great shape. Hope it stays that way for John.

More to follow.....

It has to be hard to plan for something like this that covers such a distance - especially when weather is involved. Had he left this weekend he might have caught Memorial Day traffic, or maybe some of the heavy rainstorms moving across the lower 48. Hopefully next weekend looks good for him, and it stays dry up in your neck of the woods so the Dalton is a fast, safe ride for him.

[AKBeemer]

John arrived tonight in Fairbanks. He was sitting in my driveway when I got home from playing golf at 2100 hrs. He may leave for Prudhoe as early as Saturday morning. Has some maintenance to take care of and the weather up north may be iffy. He certainly does not let the grass grow under his feet. It's 2300 hrs and he just left for Walmart to get an oil filter so he can change his oil tonight.