Scottoiler - Installation

[Mika]

webbikeworld.com (http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/scottoiler/): Is running a detailed article about the installation of a Scottoiler on a F800.

[FredRydr]

Mika,

Be aware that those instructions are incomplete insofar as USA model bikes. I am waiting for Scottoiler and BMW to resolve the issue, come to terms with the problem and design parts and instructions for our bikes. For further information, see the post at the F800GS/650GS twin forum. (http://f800riders.org/forum/showthread.php?p=209435#post209435)

When there is further information, I will let you know.

Fred
'09 F800GS
'07 R1200R

[Mika]

Just call me Mercury. I was posted an article I came across in a normally good source that I thought would be of interest.

[108625]

My old Bultaco carried oil in the swingarm for lubing the chain. There was a fill/vent plug on top and a drip tube over the chain. Just twist the knurled knob on the vent to open it before you ride and close when you're finished. It was as simple a routine as opening and closing a fuel petcock.
It was such an obvious solution I always wondered why nobody else copied it.

Any chain driven bike I get in the future will probably wind up with a ScottOiler on it. It seems like more consistent lubrication than the periodic clean & spray routine.

[PAULBACH]

Just call me Mercury. I was posted an article I came across in a normally good source that I thought would be of interest.

It's a good find lad and a good read. :thumb

[Beemerdons]

FredRydr and PAULBACH: Have you received any good news regarding Scottoiler making mods for the USA models? Already getting tired of lubing my F-Twin chain!

[FredRydr]

Stanley,

Six days ago, on 17 December 2008, I sent an email to Mark at Scottoiler in Scotland with whom I've been corresponding, and asked for an update. I've mentioned that many USA owners are waiting who are members of the BMWMOA on two websites.

I haven't had a reply yet, but that is par for the course. I have the BMW F800/F650 twin custom Scottoiler kit waiting on the shelf in my garage, so I have a vested interest!

Fred
'09 F800GS
'07 R1200R

[PGlaves]

So what exactly is the problem with the US models and Scottoiler that is different than the European models. Vacuum take off point? Or what. It doesn't seem to me it can be all that complicated.

[PAULBACH]

FredRydr and PAULBACH: Have you received any good news regarding Scottoiler making mods for the USA models? Already getting tired of lubing my F-Twin chain!

Have not heard a thing. In fact I didn't even know there was a deal or a mod in the works. But if something breaks ... please post it here.

[FredRydr]

Scottoiler made a custom designed system for our F800 bikes, which uses existing mounting points for a clean installation. It also uses vacuum from removing a bung on the bottom of the airbox, but that bung is not there on USA bikes. Instead, there is a hose for the evaporative canister.

Scottoiler apparently developed the F800 oiler in concert with BMW in the UK, and BMW dealers there install them as a BMW-approved accessory or somesuch. They've marketed the same unit in the USA only briefly, and when I bought and tried to install one, I discovered there were conflicts with the evaporative canister and hoses.

Scottoiler's first advice was to simply remove all the canister plumbing. I replied I wasn't interested in that as a solution for such a simple connection, and then early this month they informed me that Scottoiler and BMWUK were installing USA parts on a UK bike at the NEC show in Birmingham to see what gives. They would then fashion a solution and parts, and be back in touch. I suspect BMW will withhold their imprimatur unless the solution does not defeat the pollution control apparatus. I anticipate (guess): (1) applicable instructions for USA bikes, (2) a T-junction for the hose, and (3) perhaps a piece of hose.

So, we await their solution - for a "reasonable period of time."

Fred

[FredRydr]

Here is the latest from Scottoiler. (http://f800riders.org/forum/showpost.php?p=220604&postcount=7)

Fred

[FredRydr]

I guess we're getting closer: F800GS/650GS twin forum. (http://f800riders.org/forum/showpost.php?p=230390&postcount=10)

Fred

[FredRydr]

And closer: F800GS/650GS twin forum. (http://f800riders.org/forum/showpost.php?p=237970&postcount=12)

Note that the BMW specific Scottoilers would be exclusively available through BMW. Though this is their MO, you have to give the Scottoiler high marks if BMW is willing to put their name on it.

Fred

[AKBeemer]

I've installed an electric version of the Scottoiler on Annie's GS. Scott seems to be very careful not to divulge the weights of their two oils (Red & Blue). Anyone have an idea of what generic weights of oil can be substituted for the Scott oils?

[racer7]

A sample sent to any oil test lab will produce the viscosity number if you want to sub something of similar range but perhaps they also have an additive like moly that would need matching? Anyway, a test lab can tell you and probably suggest something close. Is the stuff really expensive enough to be worth that trouble? (Don't know- I ride a shaftie).
EDIT-saw their comment that the oils derive from chain saw oils but minus some aditives and that maintaining rubber seal compatibility is part of their choice.
They suggested a gear oil as a possible substitute while warning there are some old ones that might damage chain seals.

[beemerbum]

Greetings, its been awhile, but I picked up this older thread and some of the newer entries, so had to post. I did the original article on webbikeworld and it was for the Euro/Cdn spec machine, so no plumbing to do other than use the vacuum casting between the injectors - a fun exercise but everything else is simple. Their tailored mount for the pump is specific for the Euro and Cdn models as well. But, I do know they have a solution for the US spec machines with a T-junction, etc.

I also did the first evaluation on the newer eSystem, as installed on the F800GS and now have two of them, one on each 800. With the eSystem you just have the pump and feed to mount, everything else is electronic and managed dynamically via the motion sensor/controller that mounts wherever - view and access is recommended, although it can be hidden away. The controls let you set and configure a bunch of parameters...no more twisting the feed knob on the pump. Outside of some initial issues with the control modules - all addressed by Scottoiler, they work well. Keep the reservoir filled up and away you go.

Regarding oil - I like to stay with the Red and Blue...Scottoiler says the oils are optimized for the oilers and chain use and they have never led me down a garden path yet. Their support over the years has been outstanding.

Cheers, Bruce

[Dave92029]

My OEM chain and sprockets have over 26,300 miles on them and look like I may get a few thousand more miles.

I understood that road dirt does more damage to chains and sprockets than lack of lubrication. I generally just use a chain brush to clean the dirt off the chain and every 500 miles put on a very light coat of chain oil.

The more oil on the chain the more dirt that is attracted. I understood that street bikes, like the F650GS, have an x ring that does not require the same amount of lubrication as a dirt bike chain that does not have an O or X ring. Dirt bikes require a lot lubrication. Street bikes don't.

Why put a scottoiler on a street bike chain? Didn't you ever wonder Why none of the high performance street bike manufacturers sell Scottoier's as accessories?

Just keep the chain clean. :bow

[Polarbear]

Are they still messy? The last Scotoiler I saw had the rear wheel looking nasty all the time:(. Its been quite some time since I have seen an oiler on a chain setup. They sure have been around a long time, but I like no mess or at least an easy cleanup for the wheel. My WD40 has been my latest ticket and has to be used more often, but way cleaner and everything on the planet does not stick to it, like chain lubes. Its working quite well. Randy

[andreb]

The fact that oil on a chain attracts dirt and becomes a grinding compound is born out by my 30 years of observing roller chain in agricultural equipment and other motorcycles. It is also very messy, although it is better than not lubricating at all.

Because of the cost and mess of oil and oilers, I have used DuPont Teflon Chain Saver (other ones are made) on my F800GS. It dries clear, attracts no dirt, and both the rim and chain are relatively clean. I too brush or wipe any dirt off when I apply a spray every 600-800 miles. It is also very cheap compared to an automatic oiling system.

The only uncertainty is how long my chain will last, the present one only has about 6k miles on it.

[Dave92029]

Snipe...

The only uncertainty is how long my chain will last, the present one only has about 6k miles on it.

My F650GS OEM chain and sprockets have nearly 27,000 miles and still look almost new. :bolt

[jimbob59]

Dave:

What is YOUR maint. technique? :ear