If this is the norm, it's bloody outrageous

[lamble]

Serious for a moment. Is this the norm, that anyone can move your bike from a parking space, so a car can park in it?

That's bloody outrageous!!!

Some fat toss pot in an oversized SUV can move my bike that my wife and I have ridden, just so his lazy arse can have the space for himself, or herself for that matter, and they don't have to be fat, lazy, or have any other traits or vehicle type really, that's just stereotyping because of annoyance.

Who came up with this law? Is it just WA, or do you have it too?

Why does it take a vote, it's obvious that no one should be allowed to move my bike from a spot I've paid for or chosen legally.

Now I'm in need of tea, my wrath is up and my ire is boiling.


Tues. 7/29/08 at 1:00pm at City Hall

City Council is voting on whether
to pass a law to make it illegal to move scooters or motorcycles out
of its parking spot so a car can fit in. They would like some of us
to show up and talk about our experiences of having our scooters and
motorcycles moved and the trouble it has caused ie. parking tickets,
knocked over scoots and bikes...

This is important because it is not illegal to move your scooter or
motorcycle from its parking space now. Anyone can move it and not get
in trouble. Please let me know if you can make it so I can let them know
that we
have some representation going to the meeting.

When: Tues 7/29/08 1:00pm
Where: Council Chambers 2nd floor city hall
600 Fourth Ave
Seattle

[PAGoldsby]

I have never heard of such a thing. Y'know, just because it's not explicitly illegal, doesn't make it implicitly right. However, if pressed on this point, then the converse must be true: it must not be illegal to move a car in order to park a motorcycle.

[lamble]

I have never heard of such a thing. Y'know, just because it's not explicitly illegal, doesn't make it implicitly right. However, if pressed on this point, then the converse must be true: it must not be illegal to move a car in order to park a motorcycle.

Obviously it has happened and been condoned as legal, otherwise why the need to pass a law saying you can't do it.

In the original email that just arrived, there's even mention that bikes have been moved into places where they have "earned" parking tickets. What about someone dropping the bike? Could they claim that they were obeying the law and so aren't responsible for any damage?

This is just too ridiculous to contemplate ever having been brought into existence.
And...if it's happening here, what's to say it's not the same where you are?

Do you know it's not?

I bet like me, you assumed that it's just not conceivable that it should be the case that this "move a bike and park a car" is allowed.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

[GregFeeler]

Serious for a moment. Is this the norm, that anyone can move your bike from a parking space, so a car can park in it?

That's bloody outrageous!!!

Some fat toss pot in an oversized SUV can move my bike that my wife and I have ridden, just so his lazy arse can have the space for himself, or herself for that matter, and they don't have to be fat, lazy, or have any other traits or vehicle type really, that's just stereotyping because of annoyance.

Who came up with this law? Is it just WA, or do you have it too?

Why does it take a vote, it's obvious that no one should be allowed to move my bike from a spot I've paid for or chosen legally.

Now I'm in need of tea, my wrath is up and my ire is boiling.


Tues. 7/29/08 at 1:00pm at City Hall

City Council is voting on whether
to pass a law to make it illegal to move scooters or motorcycles out
of its parking spot so a car can fit in. They would like some of us
to show up and talk about our experiences of having our scooters and
motorcycles moved and the trouble it has caused ie. parking tickets,
knocked over scoots and bikes...

This is important because it is not illegal to move your scooter or
motorcycle from its parking space now. Anyone can move it and not get
in trouble. Please let me know if you can make it so I can let them know
that we
have some representation going to the meeting.

When: Tues 7/29/08 1:00pm
Where: Council Chambers 2nd floor city hall
600 Fourth Ave
Seattle


I've never heard of such a thing - but I've come to expect some strange things in both Washington and Oregon. Personally, if I caught someone attempting to move my bike from a legally paid for parking spot they would be clearly informed to find an empty parking spot somewhere else.

Actually, my bet is that this is one of those things that is not specifically legal, but also not illegal - so people think they can get away with it. Most states have statutes which address "joyriding" - the illegal taking of a vehicle for a short period and then abandoning it. I'll bet people moving your bike or scooter in this way could be prosecuted under such a law.

Be glad there's to be a hearing about making this silliness illegal. Go and testify.

[Paul_F]

In contrast to this threat, in the city of Toronto, Ontario, motorcycles and scooters park free at street meters and city owned/operated parking lots.

This proposed Washington law would certainly make two wheel operators second class citizens. You have my sympathies.

[KGT1200]

I always lock my steering column. Good luck moving my bike

Most people who drive cages wouldnt know where neutral is. Good luck moving my bike

If I caught them, I would play a symphony with their head on their bumper (recurring fantasy of mine for disrespectful cage drivers) "see me" (bang their head against the bumper "feel me" (bang bang....banag-bang-bang "touch me" (bang-bang)) you get it.

Don't touch my bike...

[2beers]

Isn't that stealing? And being a LT rider if someone was to move this type of bike and dropped it on themselves they would probly sue the bike owner for damages!!

This is so maddening.

[m0rbid45]

will not find that in Texas. :)
:brow

[Rpbump]

BLOODY STUPID :banghead Ride Safe

[72598]

Isn't that the same place (WA) that considers goats just property, and not protected under the law as livestock. (It is a felony to mutilate livestock but a petty offence to mutilate a goat because they are property not livestock???? dogs, cats and pot bellied pigs are not livestock either)


Well weird laws, Where I live it is illegal to carry a lunch box on Main Street on Sunday. (they haven't written a citation for this since the 20s but it is still on the books) Also city charter states that the city has to feed and water a horse tied on Main Street for two days before it can be removed to the city barn. (City barn was torn down in late 30s but this is still in city charter) In Boise, ID I saw a sign that it was unlawful to remove any property from the premesis, this was on a porta-pottie.

[Rapid_Roy]

That sounds wrong. I would wire my bike's handlebars to a Taser.
However, it's a sure thing I would forget and end up with an afro.

[knary]

I always lock my steering column. Good luck moving my bike

A strong lad or two can simply and easily lift up the front of the bike enough that it'll slide. If you're lucky, they'll use that beak on the bike as a big grab handle. Sure, it might bend and break a little, but they'll have their parking space. And they'll probably be gone before you notice.

BTDT
:bluduh

[wsteinborn]

Whoever moves my bike so they can park in my spot will have earned a well-deserved ass kicking.

[john1691]

Sure wouldn't want to catch someone in the act. Not sure what my reaction would be. Something physical, no doubt. As far as it being legal, therefore no liabilty if damage occurs, won't hold up. There are plenty of things that are legal to do, but you can be held responsible for if you cause property damage.

[KGT1200]

A strong lad or two can simply and easily lift up the front of the bike enough that it'll slide. If you're lucky, they'll use that beak on the bike as a big grab handle. Sure, it might bend and break a little, but they'll have their parking space. And they'll probably be gone before you notice.

BTDT
:bluduh

And they had best hope I don't catch them in the act; I have several little "tricks of the trade" learned over the years that when executed properly have the ability to make grown men lay on the ground and cry for their mama. I also have an attorney who will make sure that that front fender beak is paid for in mutltiples before he is done... As I said, don't touch me bike!

In reality? I think this whole conversation is hypothetical. Nobody in their right mind is going to drag my bike, or any bike anywhere for a parking space. Please tell me no one is that stupid to risk the bodily harm that coiuld result in such a foolish act!?

[lamble]

In reality? I think this whole conversation is hypothetical. Nobody in their right mind is going to drag my bike, or any bike anywhere for a parking space. Please tell me no one is that stupid to risk the bodily harm that coiuld result in such a foolish act!?


As i mentioned, the email that came from a bike dealer mentioned that some bikes had not only been moved, but put where they picked up parking tickets too.

Bastids.

[KGT1200]

As i mentioned, the email that came from a bike dealer mentioned that some bikes had not only been moved, but put where they picked up parking tickets too.

Bastids.

Ok, IF the email was not bogus, I will concede that there are places where people are crazy enough to do that until UNTIL the precedent is set in the first law suit filed showing as long as my motorcycle is licensed motor vehicle, and is parked in a properly designated area for the parking of a motor vehicle, a person hqas no authority to lay a finger on my bike. And worse, if you are private parking, and don't put up notification signs of your intentions, this little law will be wisked off the books faster than marriage licenses for gays in San Francisco!

I think the email was miss stated (maybe on purpose) to discuss a proposed legislation as it would pertain to unlicensed scooters parked in legit parking spaces. It was not intended to include sliding a 900 lb Harley of its mark, more less my BMW with a locked front end.

Anybody out there got any clarification? I hope you are wrong, Lamble; please check your source and let us know!

Red

[knary]

And they had best hope I don't catch them in the act; I have several little "tricks of the trade" learned over the years that when executed properly have the ability to make grown men lay on the ground and cry for their mama. I also have an attorney who will make sure that that front fender beak is paid for in mutltiples before he is done... As I said, don't touch me bike!

In reality? I think this whole conversation is hypothetical. Nobody in their right mind is going to drag my bike, or any bike anywhere for a parking space. Please tell me no one is that stupid to risk the bodily harm that coiuld result in such a foolish act!?

As I said: BTDT

I've had my bike dragged away to a different spot a few times by someone else. :bluduh

[Rapid_Roy]

As I said: BTDT

I've had my bike dragged away to a different spot a few times by someone else. :bluduh

One of those exploding dye packs they use for Bank thefts might be an interesting experiment to try.
:brow

[BONEY]

Anyone moves my bike and I catch 'em, I'm gonna make sure it accidentally falls on them.

Then I'm calling the cops because I caught a theif.

[knary]

One of those exploding dye packs they use for Bank thefts might be an interesting experiment to try.
:brow

I'd rather just tether some pituitary experiment to the bike. Hmm... who fits that description - massive, tall, and able to squash average sized men like soft beetles? :ear

[Rapid_Roy]

I'd rather just tether some pituitary experiment to the bike. Hmm... who fits that description - massive, tall, and able to squash average sized men like soft beetles? :ear
Vance of ADV fame to the courtesy phone! :laugh

[elyotsidecar]

Never seen this in Michigan but if anyone ever moved my bike to take my parking space thy would find one mean,pissed off biker sitting on the hood of there car.We buy licence plates just like A car and the money go's to maintane the streets and public parking lots.I allways take A whole space,but I will share my space with other bikes if parking is unavalible.:bikes Bikes can be heavy and some people are real stupid so this practice sounds very dangeres.There is curently A great increase in street bikes , partly due to gas prices so we need to stand up for our rights.Maybe parking lots should put in A row of "bike"spaces.You know,smaller to save space.And if anyone parks A Mini Cooper in one we can push it in to the street.:nyah :clap :groovy #132866 elyotsidecar

[OUTBACKUFO]

just write the city council and tell them that this is a form of Discrimination and you have already contacted the fun loving always ready to sue people at the NCCPA or other federal groups that dont like to the D word...





or




My fav...

get a side case monkey that comes out of the side case and throws monkey doodoo at anyone trying to move the cycle and other not fun objects..:D

[BobFV1]

"toss pot"

:clap

:rofl

[amiles]

I suspect that the status of the parking garage (municipal or privately owned) and the huge disclaimer printed in miniscule type on the ticket stub or on the wall in the basement would be an important factor in this discussion.

[lamble]

Ok, IF the email was not bogus, I will concede that there are places where people are crazy enough to do that until UNTIL the precedent is set in the first law suit filed showing as long as my motorcycle is licensed motor vehicle, and is parked in a properly designated area for the parking of a motor vehicle, a person hqas no authority to lay a finger on my bike. And worse, if you are private parking, and don't put up notification signs of your intentions, this little law will be wisked off the books faster than marriage licenses for gays in San Francisco!

I think the email was miss stated (maybe on purpose) to discuss a proposed legislation as it would pertain to unlicensed scooters parked in legit parking spaces. It was not intended to include sliding a 900 lb Harley of its mark, more less my BMW with a locked front end.

Anybody out there got any clarification? I hope you are wrong, Lamble; please check your source and let us know!

Red

The source was the PR guy for Cycle Barn and Seattle Harley. It was some of their customers that had been moved when parked downtown, so I guess Harleys were part of the equation.

The motion being presented, just for clarification, is to prevent bikes being moved. What exists whether expressed in law, or just a common understanding, is an implicit acceptance that bikes can be moved to make way for cars to park, in the same parking spot. If this means moving the bike outside of the parking spot and into an illegal spot, then the resulting ticket would need to be contested, at which point the onus would be on the bike owner to show some how, that they had been legally parked previously. All the connotations of bike being dropped, mover being injured by bike, etc... only compound the stupidity of allowing someone to move a parked bike.

I have no reason to question the validity of the source and the fact that this Tuesday there's a meeting of the WA governers and lackies to look at this proposed change means there is an issue.

[shire2000]

I have never had this happen, but if I was able to see it in progress, I would be very quick calling 911. "Vehicle Theft In Progress! I will apprehend and hold the suspects till police get here." Also tell the 911 operator "If the police do not respond in a timely manner, they had better send an ambulance."

Of course, the quickest way to get the police to respond is to tell them "Vehicle Theft in Progess, Shots Fired, Suspects bleeding all over the street!":thumb

I ride thru WA on a regular basis and have never known this to happen, but will definitely watch out for it.

:ca

[lamble]

I know this sounds too ridiculous for words and the assumption that it can't be true, or even an assumption that there can't be anyway it's happening in our state, is what springs to mind. But, it's a cautionary wake up call, that just because you'd assume it's not the case, doesn't mean that's so.

Check with your state and if there is an indication that someone is legally allowed to move your bike to park a car, then let's see what can be done to challenge the stupidity of these laws where ever they occur.

[Motor31]

In AZ. it would be called tampering with a motor vehicle and it is illegal.

[Bob1100RTC]

Shure would be hard to move that suv with 4 flat tires.

[KGT1200]

So the average soccer mom pulls into a public parking area. She pulls up to one of the last open spots, only to find a little bitty flathead with ape hangers and lots of chome backed into the space she assumed was empty.

Now assume she has knowledge of bikes, knows where the stick is, and finds neutral.

where preytell does she move this 750 lbs of chrome anyway?

Scott you had it happen; where did they move your bike? To the back of the space, to the side of the space, or did they just leave it out in the parking lot?

What's the objective here?

Where does out 110 lbs soccer mom move the Harley to? Or does she just bump it up on the sidewalk where it belongs?

Somebody please explain, cause I just don't get it.

[lamble]

So the average soccer mom pulls into a public parking area. She pulls up to one of the last open spots, only to find a little bitty flathead with ape hangers and lots of chome backed into the space she assumed was empty.

Now assume she has knowledge of bikes, knows where the stick is, and finds neutral.

where preytell does she move this 750 lbs of chrome anyway?

Scott you had it happen; where did they move your bike? To the back of the space, to the side of the space, or did they just leave it out in the parking lot?

What's the objective here?

Where does out 110 lbs soccer mom move the Harley to? Or does she just bump it up on the sidewalk where it belongs?

Somebody please explain, cause I just don't get it.

Why not pick a 300lb gorilla instead, in a RAM. Would that example help you get it?
Or two guys, or anything that makes it possible?
I'm sure that monopeds don't move bikes, that the blind or handicapped or octogenerians probably don't either. But someone does, because in WA they need a law to prevent them from doing it.

[Easy]

This is illegal in Texas. It is against the law in Texas to move a parked motor vehicle. It makes no difference whether it is legally or illegally parked.


Easy :german

"The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking spaces."
Will Rogers

[KGT1200]

Why not pick a 300lb gorilla instead, in a RAM. Would that example help you get it?
Or two guys, or anything that makes it possible?
I'm sure that monopeds don't move bikes, that the blind or handicapped or octogenerians probably don't either. But someone does, because in WA they need a law to prevent them from doing it.

Lamble,

I am not a barrister, nor do I play one on TV, but in the legal sense, any law would be to change the current law. By default, you may not touch my stuff, and if you do, you’re creating a tort as seen by the law. The point it becomes a trespassing or theft depends on the circumstances and intent.

So any movement of said motorcycle, possession of motorcycle by said third party person(s), once the owner has objected to that moving of a motorcycle, or possession of said motorcycle a violation of the law. In the case of a motorcycle, by locking the steering column and removing the key is a sure indicator of intent; my intent to NOT have my bike moved. So the minute the third party interloper lays on finger on my bike, he has broken the law by ignoring the fact I have no key and the front wheel won’t turn.

So any law would be to change the natural default law thus allowing someone to "move my bike". Hmmmm define "move my bike". Does the law detail in numerical statute definitions of all terms used in declaration? Can you move my bike (soccer mom and her HUV) or 300lb gorilla instead? Can someone legally move my bike, and suppose it falls over on them, whose fault is it anyway?

I smell Legal woes for any law modifying the natural default law. Any law trying to modify the basic rules of possession and trespass would be laws to be found unenforceable by the courts. Any law of this type would eventually be found unenforceable.

My best guess...

[Braddog]

Something else to consider are requirements for all parking lots/parking ramps to provide an area specifically for motorcycle parking. If this area becomes full, then motorcycles may park in a normal car parking space.

[lamble]

Lamble,

I am not a barrister, nor do I play one on TV, but in the legal sense, any law would be to change the current law. By default, you may not touch my stuff, and if you do, you’re creating a tort as seen by the law. The point it becomes a trespassing or theft depends on the circumstances and intent.

So any movement of said motorcycle, possession of motorcycle by said third party person(s), once the owner has objected to that moving of a motorcycle, or possession of said motorcycle a violation of the law. In the case of a motorcycle, by locking the steering column and removing the key is a sure indicator of intent; my intent to NOT have my bike moved. So the minute the third party interloper lays on finger on my bike, he has broken the law by ignoring the fact I have no key and the front wheel won’t turn.

So any law would be to change the natural default law thus allowing someone to "move my bike". Hmmmm define "move my bike". Does the law detail in numerical statute definitions of all terms used in declaration? Can you move my bike (soccer mom and her HUV) or 300lb gorilla instead? Can someone legally move my bike, and suppose it falls over on them, whose fault is it anyway?

I smell Legal woes for any law modifying the natural default law. Any law trying to modify the basic rules of possession and trespass would be laws to be found unenforceable by the courts. Any law of this type would eventually be found unenforceable.

My best guess...

Maybe it's you, or maybe it's me. As the Law stands, it is legal in WA to move a bike so as to be able to park a car, any "natural default" has long since been rendered un-natural.
The Tuesday session is to see if a new law can be instigated, so that bikes can not be moved.
So currently you can move, after Tuesday, hopefully matters will proceed so that you won't be able to.
The current standing overrides trespass or anything else you wish to add. You are legally entitled to move a bike so that a car can be parked, as it stands, in law, in WA.
You being any individual, or group, that is capable of moving a bike, be it locked, chained, or however else immobilised. You can move it where ever you like, so long as it frees up a car parking space. You can even move it to a place where the bike becomes illegally parked, and the bike owner is then responsible.

This isn't a debate, there isn't room for discussion, this is how it stands now and is how certain people are behaving.

What my point is, is this; check that you are not just assuming the circumstances are not the same where you are. Do not assume that one law, trespass for example, will over ride a law such as that currently in place in WA. Do not think it's too ridiculous, because some people who make this sort of decision and turn them into laws seem to think it's logical.

[ljjohns]

Here's a link to today's Seattle Times and its report on the actual issue:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008080677_scooters30m0.html

[RJM2096]

I can't imagaine that happening without the rider coming back and "keying" the car.

Can you imagine the driver saying to the cop, "We pushed this cycle out onto the street cause I needed his space and I know it was him/her who keyed my car."

[lamble]

It appears the Seattle Times has picked up on the scooter group and only slightly mentions motorcycles. I guess that they are easier to move, so would be a first choice "target". However bikes have been moved too, it'sperhaps that bikes aren't the new phenomenon that scooters are and so don't have a set of trendy areas where they are parked.

Good to see it was a no brainer for the council and they recognise that designated parking might be needed too. And those parking tickets being taken...I've had that happen, but I wasn't ticketed fortunately.

[Bobmws]

I suggest the Harley guys get a tow truck to tow the councilmembers cars away from the meeting and park their bikes in those spots. Think they would get the point?! :D

[moondog]

Quote from redflco on page 1
"In reality? I think this whole conversation is hypothetical. Nobody in their right mind is going to drag my bike, or any bike anywhere for a parking space. Please tell me no one is that stupid to risk the bodily harm that coiuld result in such a foolish act!?"

Hey Red, it happened to me. Read on!



Wow,talking about hitting the spot. Just today I was think about where I use to work in Portland Maine. I had just bought my first BMW, used. I drove it to work, parked in a parking spot and later on my Chief Inspector came to me and said that he had moved my bike so that someone else could have a parking spot. I was livid. I laid in to him and said how dare you touch my bike, let alone move it!!!!! I read him the riot act.
His response was that I shouldn't take up a full spot with a motorcycle. I said to him, even if there was a law that said I can't park there or for what ever reason I can't park there, DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY BIKE AGAIN !!!!!. You come and find me. If it is a valid reason I'll move it. Until that time, HANDS OFF!!!!!:mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad
It still boils my blood to this day. And this happened 2-3 years ago. Would he touch a car if it was not parked properly? Of course not. If he dropped that bike oh boy would there have been hell to pay

OK I have vented enough. guess I needed to get that out. thanks for the topic. I feel better, how about you?

[moondog]

I better stop reading this thread or I am going to blow a gasket. Holy Macral! I wouldn't in my worst moment think about touching another person car, let alone touching a motorcycle. That's private property!. Thats akin to having someone move my house because they want to build their house there!!!!

Ok now I am done.

By the way how do you spell Macreal, makeral, aw the hell with it, Holy Fish!!!!!

[lamble]

Seems Seattle at least has come to its senses, although they must have been in noddle-pop land when they came up with a law allowing bikes to be moved in the first place.

They even went so far as to create a law at the time of the stupid law, which would fine people for moving bikes to a place where it was illegal for a bike to be parked, so they knew people would be trying to move bikes. And those bikes moved to illegal places? Well if the mover wasn't seen moving someone's bike, then it was the bike owner who got ticketed.

Some times you just look at what people do and scream wibble! wibble! wibble! or is that just me again?

Mackerel

[tonkandy]

Thats akin to having someone move my house because they want to build their house there!!!!


I heard a story when I worked offshore of a guy who was having his house moved to a new site during his two weeks on. When he got back on land he went to the new site and his house wasn't there - so he went to his old site and it wasn't there either. Turned out that his wife had run off with the house mover and taken the whole thing to another site that the mover owned.

I didn't know the guy in the story so I took it with a grain of salt.

[moondog]

Seems Seattle at least has come to its senses, although they must have been in noddle-pop land when they came up with a law allowing bikes to be moved in the first place.

They even went so far as to create a law at the time of the stupid law, which would fine people for moving bikes to a place where it was illegal for a bike to be parked, so they knew people would be trying to move bikes. And those bikes moved to illegal places? Well if the mover wasn't seen moving someone's bike, then it was the bike owner who got ticketed.

Some times you just look at what people do and scream wibble! wibble! wibble! or is that just me again?

Mackerel

Thanks...

[MrGrocer]

I'm so glad I live in the midwest. I dunno about washington but there's at least a better than 1 in 5 around here someone could get stomped for touching someone's bike, much less moving it.

Personally, if someone tried to move my bike I'd take a pee in their car by smashing open the driver's side window and relieving myself all over the front seats.

[535is]

Personally, if someone tried to move my bike I'd take a pee in their car by smashing open the driver's side window and relieving myself all over the front seats.
Man; and I thought I had an overactive bladder ... :gerg

[lockster]

I lived in Bermuda for over 2 years and was a cop there. Bermuda has specific parking slots for scooters on every street. The simple fact is that no body unless forced too, ever takes a car in Hamilton. The scooter slots are free due to the fact you can park about 30 scooters in space that would allow for only 7 vehicles.
It makes for a better enviroment and allows so much more freedom.
In the UK, York for example.. Shuts the city down to vehicles from 10 am until 4 pm. with plenty of allocated bike parking. The whole city has automatic bollards which rise from the ground at the alloted time and ensure a peaceful and pedestrain shopping day. Park and rides being the ony means to visit the inner castle walls.
Why is this country so slow to adapt to the massive increase in M/Cycles ?
Why are there not more Park and rides ?

Lockster :bikes

[shire2000]

MrGrocer,
If ya got the "pressure" pee in those nice vent grills below the cage's windshield. The cager will be thanking you for many years to come, expecially on those nice hot days when the air conditioning needs to be on full blast. Or better yet, drop an egg or a can of sardines down there. :ha

:ca

[MPATROVSKY]

I believe that here in Oregon, the Castle Doctrine extends to motor vehicles and as such shooting a person trying to move your bike is legal. Any questions?

[prhkgh]

Not that I'm one to hold a grudge, but I still remember coming out of a job to my telephone van to find someone had released the brake, put it in neutral, and pushed it back in my parking-metered-spot so they would have room for their worktruck and trailer in the spots ahead of me. This was around '75, and I've completely forgotten about it-NOT. This was on a 100+ degree day so I had left my driver's window open, even though the back of the truck was locked up.

Then 5 years ago I was going to welding classes at a local community college. A semester parking pass for cars was around $50, around $35 for motorcycles. I got a motorcycle permit. Limited motorcycle-designated spots, so one night I parked <oh, the horrors> in a regular parking spot. Had a valid parking permit...got a nastygram from the campus police that if I parked my motorcycle in a car spot again I would be ticketed...Nothing in the paperwork when I bought the permit said anything like that. The fact that 3 or 4 motorcycles could have fit in there with me apparently didn't matter. But, being a forgiving guy I've forgotten about this too.

What I haven't forgotten is I have yet to see posted in this thread is what was the result of the city council meeting? Did they pass the rule?

Paul H.

[Pat Carol]

Lamble, I really enjoy your writings!
If someone had the audacity to move my bike so they can park their cage, I would get all Jules Winfield on them. (Samuel L. Jackson-Pulp Fiction)
I have had people state that I cannot park in a space at the local Wal-Mart. So I park the bike at the end of the shopping cart lot. The store manager stated that parking my bike there is much safer than in the lot. The LEO's don't ever say anything but, they all know my BMW and me because it is the only one in Alpena, Mich.
I would suggest getting in touch with the AMA and ABATE. Someone in your state has a serious case of rectal/cranial disease.

Take Care & Ride Safe
Pat Carol

[12bswayed]

The Seattle City Counsel created a new violation, not a law. One that will be next to impossible to inforce. Again, a violation with no teeth. Kinda like the cell phone violation. What a joke that one is.

Lamble, if you're going to contact counsel members, lobby for designated motorcycle parking spaces instead. Makes more sense.

[lamble]

The Seattle City Counsel created a new violation, not a law. One that will be next to impossible to inforce. Again, a violation with no teeth. Kinda like the cell phone violation. What a joke that one is.

Lamble, if you're going to contact counsel members, lobby for designated motorcycle parking spaces instead. Makes more sense.

I'm not lobbying as my understanding is that following the Council meeting a decision had been taken to make it so that it was illegal to move a bike for a car to have the space.

The phone violation is strange. In the UK the law said, no phones to be used when driving, unless hands free. WA seems to have said, no phones except hands free when driving, although you can really, just don't let them be a reason why you violate any other road rules.
That's a bit late and lame isn't it, as a mobile using driver runs your head into the tarmac.

Patcarol...and I admire your taste...:blush

[jgarrard3ATL]

Wow! This is a new one on me.

I could see someone trying to move my baby Vulcan, even steering locked. If they even tried the stunt with the LT Panzer, they better bring the US Olmpic weight lifting team.

Again, I think this all goes back to the miserable opinion Americans have about motorcycles as a means of transportation. (Vis a vis "Boys and their toys.)

I would send a note out to the AMA lobbyists and see if you can get it on their radar, as applicable, in your state.