pannier clasp repair - please help

[lvhbugmanK75]

I had a small "boo-boo" in my yard and my k75 went down on the right side in the grass. No noticable damage, but the panniers were on (my bike is a commuter, so the panniers are almost always on) and the right side forward clasp (the one that secures the pannier to the pannier mount) was wrenched/torqued loose and is now attached by only one of three rivets, the other two having sheared loose.

Sorry for the long winded intro, but does anyone have any experience repairing these? I thought maybe some gorilla glue would do the trick, but I don't want to end up with an ugly mess. I know the cases are hard to come by, so the repair should be thoughtfully approached ... I searched the forum with the terms K75, pannier, clasp, side bag, etc with no result.

Thanks!

[motoedde]

Sorry for the long winded intro, but does anyone have any experience repairing these? I thought maybe some gorilla glue would do the trick, but I don't want to end up with an ugly mess. I know the cases are hard to come by, so the repair should be thoughtfully approached ... I searched the forum with the terms K75, pannier, clasp, side bag, etc with no result.

Thanks!

This is an easy fix...

Get a rivet gun, and put in two new rivets.. from the inside of the bag to the clasp.

edde

[MichiganMike]

Besides putting the rivets in, Gorilla now has a Super Glue, you might be able to reinforce the inside but yes this should be able to be repaired quite easily.

[BuddingGeezer]

New rivets, or bolts will work if the old rivets are all that is damaged. Left side bag on my K100LT doesn't even have that clasp on it. I will not give $50 for a new one. I drilled the bag and support and bolted with 1/4 bolt, nut and fender washer. Now I know it won't come off. I liked it so well I did the same to the other side, even though it has the clasp. Also cuts down on the bag rattling.

Ralph Sims

[mrich12000]

New rivets, or bolts will work if the old rivets are all that is damaged. Left side bag on my K100LT doesn't even have that clasp on it. I will not give $50 for a new one. I drilled the bag and support and bolted with 1/4 bolt, nut and fender washer. Now I know it won't come off. I liked it so well I did the same to the other side, even though it has the clasp. Also cuts down on the bag rattling.

Ralph Sims

I will do that to my bags on my K Thanks:thumb

[motoedde]

New rivets, or bolts will work if the old rivets are all that is damaged. Left side bag on my K100LT doesn't even have that clasp on it. I will not give $50 for a new one. I drilled the bag and support and bolted with 1/4 bolt, nut and fender washer. Now I know it won't come off. I liked it so well I did the same to the other side, even though it has the clasp. Also cuts down on the bag rattling.

Ralph Sims

Thats a dumb idea...they were designed to come off...so they can save the bag in the case a significant force is imparted on it whose direction is parallel to the bike.... If it does come off, all you have to do it rivet the clasp back on....a few minutes of time MAX.

The rivets act as a flex and break point...it's better that they give, that you ripping holes in the bag plastic. THAT will require using the a fiberglass kit to repair the hole when the bag rips through the bolt.

These bags don't rattle off or fall off UNLESS the bags are not mounted and clasped properly to the rails.


BTDT

[BuddingGeezer]

Thats a dumb idea...they were designed to come off...so they can save the bag in the case a significant force is imparted on it whose direction is parallel to the bike.... If it does come off, all you have to do it rivet the clasp back on....a few minutes of time MAX.

The rivets act as a flex and break point...it's better that they give, that you ripping holes in the bag plastic. THAT will require using the a fiberglass kit to repair the hole when the bag rips through the bolt.

These bags don't rattle off or fall off UNLESS the bags are not mounted and clasped properly to the rails.


BTDT

I kinda of liked the idea. It works for ME.

I don't want it to come off with significant force parallel to the bike. I want the bag to hold the bike off my leg. I think a new case is significantly less expensive than an artificial leg.

You do what you want and I'll do the same. Some people drive Fords, Some drive Chevys.


Ralph Sims

[35634]

I don't think the latches were designed to be sacrificial to protect the bike from
significant parallel forces. The just used the cheap ass because they were cheap.
Same as the bag lids, where the parallel forces are not an issue, at least in this
universe.

[Paul_F]

Another way to keep the bags from rattling is to wrap either black electrical or black duct tape around the rails. This will reduce the free play and still allow you to remove them when necessary.

[motoedde]

I don't think the latches were designed to be sacrificial to protect the bike from
significant parallel forces. The just used the cheap ass because they were cheap.
Same as the bag lids, where the parallel forces are not an issue, at least in this
universe.

Really?

Imagine this...you're rolling down the road and you're in a tight area...lets say, splitting lanes. You're right rear bag doesn't have enough room to clear the bumper of the car in front of you as you whiz by...two things could happen.

1. The bag would come off the rail, ripping the latch that attaches to the railing, off the bike. The bag is now on the road...waiting for you to come back and pick it up as well as the latch/clasp that might have come off.

2. The outer lid moves bag off those plastic hinges(underneath the bag) while the inner lid stays put...now half of the inside of your bags is exposed.

In either situation, imparted by forces running "parallel to the bike" but in the opposite direction...the bag is salvageable by...

1. Reattaching th bag and the rivets.

2. Taking the plastic bottom hinges off an replacing them.

IF I had mounted a 1/4 as BG did...I'd probably have to deal with a fiberglass repair kit to repair the hole on the inner lid.

BUT maybe I'm missing a perturbation where the 1/4" bolt would come in handy...
Either way...I'll choose having the bag come off in pieces and repairing it, than shattering the plastic!

PS. I know my initial statement was a bit terse, BUT the point I'm alluding to is that think of the consequences of alteration...one might create a more dire situation.

[BuddingGeezer]

Really?

Imagine this...you're rolling down the road and you're in a tight area...lets say, splitting lanes. You're right rear bag doesn't have enough room to clear the bumper of the car in front of you as you whiz by...two things could happen.



Your right to each his own.

Splitting lanes is illegal in the state I live in. If your talking about a dumb idea, splitting lanes is it. (IMO) I quit that when I was 15.

Imagine this, you lay the bike down into a low side because a car has pulled out in front of you and ride it out. The hard bag breaks loose and 600 lbs of motorcycle pins your leg as it slides 50' or more down the road. Oh wait, I forgot your probably ATGATT, you can't get hurt.

Anyone can come up with all scenarios to make their idea correct. For some reason it seems to me that some people on this forum are less receptive to other's ideas. I feel the exchange of ideas is the great thing about this forum. What is good for me may not be good for another and vice versa.

How you choose to mount you bags is not my concern.
Maybe I could be more diplomatic, but it has been pointed out that I'm dumb.

Ralph Sims

[35634]

splitting hairs about the relative safety of how a bag is mounted is well, absurdly
dumb, considering that we freely choose to partake in the incredibly dangerous
pursuit of motorcycling. To each his own, and respect other peoples ideas, even if
they are wrong (eg, different than mine):fight :buds :laugh :bikes

[motoedde]

Your right to each his own.

Splitting lanes is illegal in the state I live in. If your talking about a dumb idea, splitting lanes is it. (IMO) I quit that when I was 15.

Imagine this, you lay the bike down into a low side because a car has pulled out in front of you and ride it out. The hard bag breaks loose and 600 lbs of motorcycle pins your leg as it slides 50' or more down the road. Oh wait, I forgot your probably ATGATT, you can't get hurt.

Anyone can come up with all scenarios to make their idea correct. For some reason it seems to me that some people on this forum are less receptive to other's ideas. I feel the exchange of ideas is the great thing about this forum. What is good for me may not be good for another and vice versa.

How you choose to mount you bags is not my concern.
Maybe I could be more diplomatic, but it has been pointed out that I'm dumb.

Ralph Sims

BG/RS,
First, I'm sorry if the terseness of my initial email offended you...I didn't mean to BUT I did not refer to you as dumb...please reread my initial post. Smart people come up with dumb ideas sometimes and smart ideas other times...and the converse is true.

Secondly, the point I was making about the clasp was more effectively illuminated with the splitting lanes example. It is not something I condone but the point I was making got lost.

Lastly, no matter what point either of us was making...our solutions are situationally dependent for success and failure. We choose the consequences we'll deal with...to each their own.

[lvhbugmanK75]

I bought a rivet gun at Lowe's at executed a quick fix as instructed. It was quite easy! Thanks so much to the expert help on BMW MOA!!!!!!

[deilenberger]

I bought a rivet gun at Lowe's at executed a quick fix as instructed. It was quite easy! Thanks so much to the expert help on BMW MOA!!!!!!Thanks for letting us know..

And since this thread seems to be degrading a bit into what we don't like to see in tech threads.. I'm closing it.