'09 F650GS twin

[FredRydr]

I bought one. It should arrive sometime in the next two months. I know not much more than that.

The Roadster will soon be relieved of its dual sport duty in the Pennsylvania state forests. Poor thing was too heavy and wide.

Fred
'07 R1200R
'09 F650GS

Edited to add that when the two models arrived, I bought an F800GS instead.

[boxerr]

You better start to toughen up your butt ready for that new twin. :cry

The seat is awefull.

[FredRydr]

You better start to toughen up your butt ready for that new twin. :cry

The seat is awful.

I hope I'll be standing most of the time. :)

I understand there are three seats available. Which seat do you have?

Fred

[boxerr]

I dont own one, but rode one on a BMW ride day, and my butt was sore in 15klms.

And I wasnt the only person that day to complain about the seat.

It was the standard seat. Low version available, not sure on any more.

Hopefully you have a better butt than me.:D

[FredRydr]

'09 F650GS - 798 cc, 71 bhp @ 7000 rpm, 55 lb/ft @ 4500 rpm
'09 F800GS - 798 cc, 85 bhp @ 7500 rpm, 62 lb/ft @ 5750 rpm

Does anyone know what BMW does to reduce the power in this engine? The displacements are the same in the two models. Apparently for no extra charge, the BMW dealer will even reduce power to 35 bhp or thereabouts.

Boxrr, my butt must be the poster child for OEM BMW seats. I find them comfortable.

Fred

[Peonrusher]

why would they call it a 650, if its displacement isnt near 650?

i would guess a cam.

[PAULBACH]

F 650 GS

Displacement
798 cc

Bore X Stroke
82 mm x 75. mm

Horsepower
71 bhp @ 7000 rpm

Torque
55 lb/ft @ 4500 rpm

Valve Gear
DOHC chain driven with cam followers

No of cylinders
2

Compression Ratio
12.0 :1

Engine Management
BMW Engine Controller - BMS K

Valves per Cylinder
4

Valves
2 x 32 mm intake / 2 x 27.5 mm exhaust

Fuel Capacity
4.2 U.S. gallons

Seat height
32.2 inches

Weight - Dry
377 lbs. excluding options

Take ownership of mine immediately after the National Rally. Already have color and VIN. :dance

[Beemerdons]

Hi Paul, Do you have a F650GS Twin in your garage as we speak? Reason I ask is that the three BMW dealers in Arizona have no idea when they will receive them!!!

[FredRydr]

My dealer says until BMWNA has enough in New Jersey to distribute to all the American dealers at the same time, none are going out. So another load is on the way from Germany.

Meanwhile, my F650GS is beginning to oxidize in its crate in the Garden State.

Fred

[PAULBACH]

Tuesday: First stop after getting home.
No bike. BMW is not sending them out since there are enough to send at least one to each dealer.

Saturday: Looks like bike might arrive August 1 but now several bikes will arrive. So from no bikes arriving to several bikes arriving.

Can this gang shoot straight?

[Beemerdons]

Gentlemen: Thanks for responding back to me so quickly. "Can this gang shoot straight?" That is definitely the understatement of the 2008 motorcycle industry!

Scottsdale BMW, Victory BMW and Iron Horse are all outstanding AZ BMW dealers.

I know from talking to them that it is driving them nuts that they cannot get an honest and straight answer from BMWNA and BMW AG to tell their customers.

I started on this F800GS Odyssey last November 5 when I put down my $500 with David Slepak of Scottsdale BMW. Then on the first of March, Dave called me to his shop and handed me back the $500; saying he had no clue about deliveries.

In the interim I have to admit that I'm swayed by the specifications of the F650GS Twin. This machine will suit my purposes better for Mexico and Alaska than FGS.

When you fine fellows finally get your machines, please give me an owners report!


Postscript to Paul: Have you observed under "Chartered Clubs" that we at AZ Beemers are riding to Real de Catorce in the Mexican State of Zacatecas in 2009.

This dirt ride to "Pueblo Magico" would be right up your M/C alley. Please join AZB!

[PAULBACH]

Real de Catorce in the Mexican State of Zacatecas in 2009.
Now that sounds like an interesting adventure,.

I have test driven the F650GS at Americade and it is a very powerful machine. Just twist the throttle - just a little - and it JUMPS.

[PGlaves]

My dealer says until BMWNA has enough in New Jersey to distribute to all the American dealers at the same time, none are going out. So another load is on the way from Germany.

Meanwhile, my F650GS is beginning to oxidize in its crate in the Garden State.

Fred

I saw one in a US dealership before we began our trip to Alaska on May 22. Sat on it too.

I'm not sure what the hangup in getting them out is - but they will be scarce for a while, I'm sure. Dealers will sell all they can get for a while.

[knary]

If the seat's bad, buy a new seat. :dunno

[BETO736]

I would get the 800 if I were you because the 09 650GS is a "de-tuned" 800GS, and for a "little" more I could get the real deal.
I don't know why they discontinued the 650 since it's such a great starter bike, and has been so succesful all over the world as such. But what do I know?

[Beemerdons]

Guys, still no word on arrival of F650GS Twin here in Arizona! Anything back East?

[PAULBACH]

Now my dealer is getting five - Wednesday - a definite maybe!

[Kutcher]

Now my dealer is getting five - Wednesday - maybe!

Paul,
Is that Max?

[PAULBACH]

Right at Max's but they have been given three delivery dates and none have been met. But now they have been given VINs, color and even seat type. I ordered a red one with a high seat.

[Beemerdons]

Paul, When you are on the bike heading to your house, remember your Arizona BMW buddy; please put a post here ASAP that you got it. I will run down to Dave Slepak at BMW of Scottsdale immediately and wave your post at him! Thanks, Don

[PAULBACH]

Sounds like a plan. Will even send a few pictures.

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Famous%20Mugs/Sein_soup_nazi.jpg
8/13/2008 No F650GS for you!
Maybe tomorrow

[Beemerdons]

Brother Paul, Would you mind sending me a post at work and home if you do take delivery of your F650GS Twin tomorrow? Our AZ Beemers had its monthly get together tire kicking and BS'ing session at Wild Wings in Gilbert, AZ last night.

Once again, like usual, par for the couse, ad nauseum, etctera, etcetera: Ongoing topic of just when North America will see the F800GS or Twin reared its ugly head!

Home: beemerdons@aol.com Work: dstanley@metromechanical.com Many Thanks

[riders]

My wife ordered a new 650Gs three weeks ago and were told she would get it in 6 to 8 weeks; we could have had one the dealer was getting but didn't want red or silver; we wanted blue. We saw them at the rally in Gillette but didn't ride one. We were hoping our dealer would get one this week and we would go ride it this Saturday. She is going to call them Friday afternoon and see.

[Beemerdons]

riders: If you would please note my two e-mail addresses above in my post to Paul it would be appreciated. Certainly would be interested if your wife gets hers.

On August 1, BMW of Scottsdale was supposed to be getting delivery of 2 Twins.

One was a blue standard height GS and the other a red low suspension F650GS.

My friend & co-rider, Jane Marbach, is ahead of me on the wait list for these bikes.

If Jane wants the blue standard height, then I'm now on the wait list for a silver.

If Jane elects to go with the red low suspension bike, I will buy the blue standard.


This has got to be so unbearable for the BMW Dealers in North America's market!!

They have bike customers standing in line to throw money at them at full list price.

BMW is a gang that can't shoot straight. If only KTM 690 ADV bike was available!

[PAULBACH]

Will call if I hear anything from my dealer. but as of today:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Famous%20Mugs/Sein_soup_nazi.jpg
8/14/2008 - No F650GS for you!

[71036]

You would think that with as many members as the MOA has they would take an active roll on our behalf in finding out information on when bikes (read 2009 F650gs) will be released etc. My bike has been on order for several months and I just will not bother my dealer to find out when it will be there. MOA could step up once in awhile and due the members a service by acting as a liason for members and for that matter the dealer network we hold so dear.
And while I am at it MOA how about listing recalls on the bikes. The motorcycle consumer news does it why don't you help us stay informed and safe.

Lifetime member
Bruce

[knary]

IIRC, BMW has said for a while now that the first bikes will be launched in the U.S. in September. :dunno

[GrafikFeat]

IIRC, BMW has said for a while now that the first bikes will be launched in the U.S. in September. :dunno

Unless you live in GA! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqtaz)

[knary]

Unless you live in GA! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqtaz)

Is it actually in stock?

[GrafikFeat]

Is it actually in stock?

The ad states: :deal

* Year:2009
* Make:BMW
* Model:F650GS
* Location:Marietta, GA
* Type:Motorcycle
* Mileage: 15

Unless BMW sends them all out w/ 15 miles on 'em! :whistle

[knary]

The ad states: :deal

* Year:2009
* Make:BMW
* Model:F650GS
* Location:Marietta, GA
* Type:Motorcycle
* Mileage: 15

Unless BMW sends them all out w/ 15 miles on 'em! :whistle

BMW sort of does. :D That mileage isn't unusual for a brand new BMW's and I bet they list it to deal with the occasional customer that grills them on why the supposedly new bike doesn't come into their hands with the odometer reading 00000. The dealer uncrates the bike, does any needed prep and assemble, and then takes it out for a prescribed ride. If you find a new BMW with 0 miles on it, something unusual is going on.

They may in fact have one. BMW's been telling folks September, even though the dealer distribution network was apparently misleading some dealers into thinking that, for example, the F800GS was going to show up earlier this month. All the guessing that's been going on (there's a never ending thread on another forum with folks tracking the boats their bikes are or were supposedly on!), and it still appears that the bikes won't be in the shops until pretty close to when BMW has said for a long time they will.

I understand how hard it's got to be to wait. I'm guessing that it'll show up when it shows up. :D

[AZ-J]

The ad states: :deal

* Year:2009
* Make:BMW
* Model:F650GS
* Location:Marietta, GA
* Type:Motorcycle
* Mileage: 15

Unless BMW sends them all out w/ 15 miles on 'em! :whistle

FYI, my F800S had 13 miles on it when I bought it. Of course, a few of them were my test riding the bike, including a short highway run (how interesting that was at under 4K RPM break-in!). I also know I was the first and only to ride this one as it was assembled for me a few days earlier.

Don, in case you're wondering it was on the 101 at Raintree, off @ Cactus and back.

But that 15 seems legit if one rolled in and went for a short ride.

[GrafikFeat]

I understand how hard it's got to be to wait. I'm guessing that it'll show up when it shows up. :D

I've seen them w/ 7 I've seen 'em w/ 1200... Some are loaners... Some are more popular. :blah

Regardless. +1 It'll show when it shows.
I'd like to try one... The single was too buzzy for me.
Perhaps the twin will feel better.

Then I still hafta wait for someone to buy the one I like... Not like it and sell it on CraigsList so i can save my $2000...

So, I'm looking at 2012 for mine! :ha

[knary]

I've seen them w/ 7 I've seen 'em w/ 1200... Some are loaners... Some are more popular. :blah

Regardless. +1 It'll show when it shows.
I'd like to try one... The single was too buzzy for me.
Perhaps the twin will feel better.

Then I still hafta wait for someone to buy the one I like... Not like it and sell it on CraigsList so i can save my $2000...

So, I'm looking at 2012 for mine! :ha

If the 800GS is anywhere as good as I think it'll be, I will have one - eventually. That motor is fantastic.

[AZ-J]

If the 800GS is anywhere as good as I think it'll be, I will have one - eventually. That motor is fantastic.


... so is the covered belt drive of the S/ST models. I consider it quite unfortunate that the engineers also cheapened out the GS with that chain and that steel tube trellis frame. Don't take my word on these issue, first, anyone here see the announcement that if there is an R, it'll have the GS trellis frame instead of the aluminum bridge frame, because the trellis frame is so much less expensive than the aluminum, to include the latter would price the R out the market? I have suspected the GS has that frame for that reason ever since. I've also seen the 2006 S/ST review on this site, where the reviewer was hoping the GS would have that covered belt drive. I cannot accept a belt cannot go off-road if sufficiently covered.

[knary]

... so is the covered belt drive of the S/ST models. I consider it quite unfortunate that the engineers also cheapened out the GS with that chain and that steel tube trellis frame. Don't take my word on these issue, first, anyone here see the announcement that if there is an R, it'll have the GS trellis frame instead of the aluminum bridge frame, because the trellis frame is so much less expensive than the aluminum, to include the latter would price the R out the market? I have suspected the GS has that frame for that reason ever since. I've also seen the 2006 S/ST review on this site, where the reviewer was hoping the GS would have that covered belt drive. I cannot accept a belt cannot go off-road if sufficiently covered.

There isn't anything magical about Aluminum or necessarily "cheap" about Steel. Though price may have given it the nod (and it sure is pretty). But what penalty came with that steel? If there's no penalty, and there might be a benefit, what's the complaint? :ear Ducati's gotten some great mileage out of their trellis frames in far sportier machines where weight means so much more.

As to the belt, I'd rather have the proven and durable chain off-road than what would be required to protect a belt when taken into rocky mud, sand, and whatever else. Judging by what I've read on more off-road oriented boards, the vast majority of riders, like me, were demanding a chain. And don't forget that with a chain, unlike a belt, comes the ability to change gearing at the back for different conditions and desires. if it came with a belt, I would *not* buy it.

[AZ-J]

Knary,

The beefy aluminum frame is much lighter and far stronger than the steel trellis frame; it makes for great handling and stability with none of the swag or sway a steel trellis frame brings. And, while you bring up Ducati as an example, many of those trellis frames are aluminum/magnesium and are stronger and lighter than the GS steel tube frame. There is little to compare there, but that's why a Duc costs more.

As for chain, I have had many a chained bike; they're OK, but the regular degreasing and oiling every 300 miles, and the pneumatic cut-out for replacement every 6-12K miles (it will be more frequent on a dual sport) is a real PIA compared to a 60K mile, no maintenance belt. Also, the cover on the S/ST could be what would be required to protect a belt when taken into rocky mud, sand, and whatever else, but if not, another cover would be preferable for the much lower maintenance of a belt. YMMV, I would not buy a GS or pretty much any bike with a PIA chain after the belt. Trading one highly-likely-to-fail final drive for another is not what I'd do. I've already traded one of those for the belt and would not go back, now.

[knary]

Knary,

The beefy aluminum frame is much lighter and far stronger than the steel trellis frame; it makes for great handling and stability with none of the swag or sway a steel trellis frame brings. And, while you bring up Ducati as an example, many of those trellis frames are aluminum/magnesium and are stronger and lighter than the GS steel tube frame. There is little to compare there, but that's why a Duc costs more.

The reviews from folks like Nye suggest that it handles damn well. A steel frame doesn't equal poor handling, nor does aluminum guarantee great handling.

Plus, judging by the reported weights, the GS and the ST are essentially the same weight. So where's the great penalty?

IOW, it sounds like some loose conjecture, not hard information. I'm a fan of conjecture, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

As for chain, I have had many a chained bike; they're OK, but the regular degreasing and oiling every 300 miles, and the pneumatic cut-out for replacement every 6-12K miles (it will be more frequent on a dual sport) is a real PIA compared to a 60K mile, no maintenance belt. Also, the cover on the S/ST could be what would be required to protect a belt when taken into rocky mud, sand, and whatever else, but if not, another cover would be preferable for the much lower maintenance of a belt. YMMV, I would not buy a GS or pretty much any bike with a PIA chain after the belt. Trading one highly-likely-to-fail final drive for another is not what I'd do. I've already traded one of those for the belt and would not go back, now.

Chains do indeed take more maintenance. But, again, the GS community was quite clear in their interest in a chain drive. Riding out into the hinter land on the sometimes unknown of a final drive is one thing. Doing it on a belt drive is another. Likely to fail? The chain is easy to maintain, rugged, and tolerates the kind of crap a belt won't. The thing is, when you're going funny places, those little guards, however expansive, don't do nearly as much as you'd think and stuff gets places you wouldn't believe.

And, again, being able to change the drive ratio is very desirable. I used to say the weight of my GS was my biggest complaint about an otherwise great bike. I'd now say the inability to easily change the final drive ratio takes the cake. :D

Yeah, some of that's conjecture. :D

[AZ-J]

The reviews from folks like Nye suggest that it handles damn well. A steel frame doesn't equal poor handling, nor does aluminum guarantee great handling.

Plus, judging by the reported weights, the GS and the ST are essentially the same weight. So where's the great penalty?

IOW, it sounds like some loose conjecture, not hard information. I'm a fan of conjecture, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

When you ride at 85 mph to match traffic on almost any highway in the West, especially one with curves, tell me how stable a steel trellis frame is. Without conjecture, I can already tell you as I go this way and that way at that speed or far better on the AZ 51, Salt River Canyon, AZ 191 or NM 180, the aluminum spar frame is stable and firm like a rock. Let's see a GS do some of this.

And weight, for your comparison keep away the loaded porker with a rack, extra fairings, loaded bags, and whatever else (most have that dang center stand - I have a Wunderlich lifter instead), the GS is about ten over an S. Guess why! With the GS having much lighter front and rear wheels than the others, where does the extra weight come from? It is the frame.

Chains do indeed take more maintenance. But, again, the GS community was quite clear in their interest in a chain drive. Riding out into the hinter land on the sometimes unknown of a final drive is one thing. Doing it on a belt drive is another. Likely to fail? The chain is easy to maintain, rugged, and tolerates the kind of crap a belt won't. The thing is, when you're going funny places, those little guards, however expansive, don't do nearly as much as you'd think and stuff gets places you wouldn't believe.

And, again, being able to change the drive ratio is very desirable. I used to say the weight of my GS was my biggest complaint about an otherwise great bike. I'd now say the inability to easily change the final drive ratio takes the cake. :D

Yeah, some of that's conjecture. :D

Can't wait to see the equivalent posts to this, changed final drive ratio and all http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?p=358203#post358203

Really, I don't hope it does fail, but the potential for such is high, especially with off-road use. This is where a reliable shaft shines. We can continue this a few years after you abuse an F800GS. :D

[knary]

When you ride at 85 mph to match traffic on almost any highway in the West, especially one with curves, tell me how stable a steel trellis frame is. Without conjecture, I can already tell you as I go this way and that way at that speed or far better on the AZ 51, Salt River Canyon, AZ 191 or NM 180, the aluminum spar frame is stable and firm like a rock. Let's see a GS do some of this.

:ha

Are you really lecturing me on what it's like to ride out west? :brow
I'll bet you real money that a GS can keep up with your S just fine. :deal
Hell, I'll bet you real money that my big heavy slow oilhead GS can keep up just fine with your S.

Besides, why would you choose a bike that limits you to pavement. Anyone that lives out west knows that's an example of not thinking things through. :evil

And weight, for your comparison keep away the loaded porker with a rack, extra fairings, loaded bags, and whatever else (most have that dang center stand - I have a Wunderlich lifter instead), the GS is about ten over an S. Guess why! With the GS having much lighter front and rear wheels than the others, where does the extra weight come from? It is the frame.

:scratch
So the bikes are about the same and you're bitching about what might be 10 lbs? Umm.. in the real world, 10 lbs on a bike is less important to riding than what you had for lunch a week ago. Nevermind the extra girth the rider's probably carrying. Can I assume that you're in marathon shape?


Can't wait to see the equivalent posts to this, changed final drive ratio and all http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?p=358203#post358203

Really, I don't hope it does fail, but the potential for such is high, especially with off-road use. This is where a reliable shaft shines. We can continue this a few years after you abuse an F800GS. :D

Off road is where shaft shines? Really?
Or are you being sarcastic?

p.s. I just reread your above post. If you're only getting 6k to 12k out of a chain, something's wrong. Somewhat regular lubrication (without degreasing!) should get you an easy 20k or more - even with abuse. Modern chains have come a long way.

[AZ-J]

:ha

Are you really lecturing me on what it's like to ride out west? :brow

And are you comparing a city of what size to #5 in the country surrounded by some of the most scraggly created roads and difference in elevations known? That's really funny.

:I'll bet you real money that a GS can keep up with your S just fine. :deal
Hell, I'll bet you real money that my big heavy slow oilhead GS can keep up just fine with your S. IIRC, your big heavy slow oilhead GS is the same HP and +80-100 lbs. You're on @ PIR or Firebird anytime we can reserve it.

:Besides, why would you choose a bike that limits you to pavement. Anyone that lives out west knows that's an example of not thinking things through. :evil

You ride where you want, I'll do the same. Years ago I rode a KLR 650 places you wouldn't find today, and after a few years, I was bored to death with that.


::scratch
So the bikes are about the same and you're bitching about what might be 10 lbs? Umm.. in the real world, 10 lbs on a bike is less important to riding than what you had for lunch a week ago. Nevermind the extra girth the rider's probably carrying. Can I assume that you're in marathon shape?

Me, 5'11.5 and 170lbs. I can't say marathon shape, but it suits me fine. You?


:Off road is where shaft shines? Really?
Or are you being sarcastic?

p.s. I just reread your above post. If you're only getting 6k to 12k out of a chain, something's wrong. Somewhat regular lubrication (without degreasing!) should get you an easy 20k or more - even with abuse. Modern chains have come a long way.

Dusty chains stretch well, and at speed wear out faster; I can only imagine what mud or rocks would do. My old Bandit 1200S AV with a detuned, over-bored GSXR1100 engine which would outrun your GS, my S is much faster, and it stretched out a chain between 6-12K miles up until 2005. And if a chain was better in dirt than a shaft, why have most GS's had them since their release?

We could take up pages of this thread with these posts. If you want to continue this, PM or email me.

[knary]

What's to continue?
You're arguing that chain is a bad idea on a dirt-oriented bike and that the steel will make the bike handle poorly and heavy. Chain in the dirt is the well proven standard and what the best dirt bike manufacturers use and the best dirt riders demand. A steel frame may in fact be a sliver heavier, but not enough to matter when riding in the real world, and there is no evidence that it came with a handling penalty.

And 10 lbs? Geez. :ha

As far as I can tell, you were never ever the target customer and are convinced that the F800S is the single best bike ever, that any place that the other new F-models diverge from its brochure highlights is a mistake. I'm glad you like your bike.
:dunno


p.s. Shaft drive shines in the dirt... :D That's funny.

[Visian]

Unless you live in GA! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqtaz)

the address in that advertisement is bmw of atlanta.

ian

[AZ-J]

What's to continue?
You're arguing that chain is a bad idea on a dirt-oriented bike and that the steel will make the bike handle poorly and heavy. Chain in the dirt is the well proven standard and what the best dirt bike manufacturers use and the best dirt riders demand. A steel frame may in fact be a sliver heavier, but not enough to matter when riding in the real world, and there is no evidence that it came with a handling penalty.

And 10 lbs? Geez. :ha

As far as I can tell, you were never ever the target customer and are convinced that the F800S is the single best bike ever, that any place that the other new F-models diverge from its brochure highlights is a mistake. I'm glad you like your bike.
:dunno


p.s. Shaft drive shines in the dirt... :D That's funny.

1. All I said was "I consider it quite unfortunate that the engineers also cheapened out the GS with that chain and that steel tube trellis frame." You blew that way out of proportion.

2. I love both the GS's and if I can swing the funds, I may add one to the S. But the frame is more than 10 lbs; you can add most the weight missing from the lighter wheels to that frame, as well.

3. I am not convinced "the F800S is the single best bike ever, that any place that the other new F-models diverge from its brochure highlights is a mistake". But I am not the only one that likes the S, or the ST for that matter. See http://www.fastbikesmag.com/page/fastbikes?entry=staff_bikes_charlie_s_bmw2; here http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?p=168110&posted=1; here http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15722&highlight=f800+battery; and here http://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/bikes/news/display.asp?Id=850

4. Shaft drive shines in the dirt... That's funny." I thought they did fairly well all those years of PD, and you ride one, don't you?

5. You have been way more than "a bit combative as of late" on this thread; http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showpost.php?p=358354&postcount=1. I for one cannot accept what you say there, as an apology for some of your comments here; smiley face(s) or not.

[GrafikFeat]

the address in that advertisement is bmw of atlanta.

ian

Marietta (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Marietta,+Cobb,+Georgia,+United+States&ie=UTF8&lr=lang_en&cd=1&geocode=0,33.953210,-84.545880&ll=33.945638,-84.504776&spn=0.422657,0.87822&z=11) to be specific... A suburb of "Hotlanta", GA. (Georgia)

[knary]

1. All I said was "I consider it quite unfortunate that the engineers also cheapened out the GS with that chain and that steel tube trellis frame." You blew that way out of proportion.

2. I love both the GS's and if I can swing the funds, I may add one to the S. But the frame is more than 10 lbs; you can add most the weight missing from the lighter wheels to that frame, as well.

3. I am not convinced "the F800S is the single best bike ever, that any place that the other new F-models diverge from its brochure highlights is a mistake". But I am not the only one that likes the S, or the ST for that matter. See http://www.fastbikesmag.com/page/fastbikes?entry=staff_bikes_charlie_s_bmw2; here http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?p=168110&posted=1; here http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15722&highlight=f800+battery; and here http://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/bikes/news/display.asp?Id=850

4. Shaft drive shines in the dirt... That's funny." I thought they did fairly well all those years of PD, and you ride one, don't you?

5. You have been way more than "a bit combative as of late" on this thread; http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showpost.php?p=358354&postcount=1. I for one cannot accept what you say there, as an apology for some of your comments here; smiley face(s) or not.

Welcome to the tango. Yes, you were the very willing partner in this. I have been a bit too interested in being "right" in this chat, as have you, but that doesn't mean I'm not. :D

I love my GS but that doesn't mean its perfect or that anyone that doesn't think its the greatest bike is any way impugning my character. It's just a bike.

Oh...yeah... stepping away from the computer... :wave

[Slablog]

I bet I can piss farther than either one of you guys!:stick

[knary]

I bet I can piss farther than either one of you guys!:stick

I'll see you at Johnson City! Bring the tape measure. :D

[Mika]

Wonder what Holly, our environmental chair, will say about this new rally event.
:D

[knary]

Wonder what Holly, our environmental chair, will say about this new rally event.
:D

:ha :ha :ha

[Mika]

(sniped) I consider it quite unfortunate that the engineers also cheapened out the GS with that chain and that steel tube trellis frame.

Don't be quick to blame the engineers for being cheap.

Spare frames are great on the road but don't handle the dirt well because of their rigidity, they tend to develop stress cracks and fracture at an unacceptable rate. The core decision in this case is the right application for the use.

The chain is simply what the market wants right now, and probably for the foreseable future, on an off road oriented bike. BMW put something on a bike that their customers wanted, damed if you do damed if you don't.

Steel does not automatically equal uacceptably heavy any more. I suspect the GS frame will be the basis for a number of the new variants to come because the trade offs between strength v manufacturing costs will allow them to do more.

Now off to get my rain gear on...:bolt

[YeehaStephen]

Hi Paul, Do you have a F650GS Twin in your garage as we speak? Reason I ask is that the three BMW dealers in Arizona have no idea when they will receive them!!!

:stick

[AZ-J]

Welcome to the tango. Yes, you were the very willing partner in this. I have been a bit too interested in being "right" in this chat, as have you, but that doesn't mean I'm not. :D

I love my GS but that doesn't mean its perfect or that anyone that doesn't think its the greatest bike is any way impugning my character. It's just a bike.

Oh...yeah... stepping away from the computer... :wave

OK Mr. site manager, Knary, I can see from the additional posts that your restraint in "Oh...yeah... stepping away from the computer" is meaningless. And, if I was "the very willing partner in this" all the while YOU were the site manager that failed to manage yourself from starting the fight after I simply noted "a cheaping". You admit to such a fervor in your other post.

Whether I was "a bit too interested in being "right" in this chat" is irrelevant, again you were/are the site manager while doing so, and you admit you were "a bit too interested in being "right" in this chat", so after that... see "irrelevant". We also know what you mean by "a bit", it was not.

As I said, Mr. site manager "You have been way more than "a bit combative as of late" on this thread..I for one cannot accept what you say there, as an apology for some of your comments here; smiley face(s) or not". I also cannot accept meaningless promises about stepping away.

I say now you have a choice, you can edit your over the top retorts out, or you can take mine and yours out, but short of that, you have forever lost my respect and your management should be revoked.

[knary]

OK Mr. site manager, Knary, I can see from the additional posts that your restraint in "Oh...yeah... stepping away from the computer" is meaningless. And, if I was "the very willing partner in this" all the while YOU were the site manager that failed to manage yourself from starting the fight after I simply noted "a cheaping". You admit to such a fervor in your other post.

Whether I was "a bit too interested in being "right" in this chat" is irrelevant, again you were/are the site manager while doing so, and you admit you were "a bit too interested in being "right" in this chat", so after that... see "irrelevant". We also know what you mean by "a bit", it was not.

As I said, Mr. site manager "You have been way more than "a bit combative as of late" on this thread..I for one cannot accept what you say there, as an apology for some of your comments here; smiley face(s) or not". I also cannot accept meaningless promises about stepping away.

I say now you have a choice, you can edit your over the top retorts out, or you can take mine and yours out, but short of that, you have forever lost my respect and your management should be revoked.

Because I didn't agree with your assessment of the F800GS and treated you like an adult with a sense of humor, I should lose my job? Wow! :confused:

[knary]

Wow

That's amongst the most amazing things I've seen on this forum - a full on head explosion over a disagreement over chains and steel frames.

If it isn't clear, I'm writing as a member not as part of my work as the web guy for the MOA. My job description doesn't prescribe not participating in the forum. I was a member long before I took the position and I will probably, despite anyone's efforts, be a member for a long time past when my contract expires.

I urge you to take a step back, take a breath, and rethink what you've said. I didn't impugn your character or even your motorcycle (not that that should ever matter :D). You've taken some banter over a motorcycle very personally.

[AZ-J]

Wow

That's amongst the most amazing things I've seen on this forum - a full on head explosion over a disagreement over chains and steel frames.

If it isn't clear, I'm writing as a member not as part of my work as the web guy for the MOA. My job description doesn't prescribe not participating in the forum. I was a member long before I took the position and I will probably, despite anyone's efforts, be a member for a long time past when my contract expires.

I urge you to take a step back, take a breath, and rethink what you've said. I didn't impugn your character or even your motorcycle (not that that should ever matter :D). You've taken some banter over a motorcycle very personally.

1. You impugned my motorcycle by claiming a bike with 80-100 lbs of more weight and the same or less HP was faster. :nono

2. You impugned me by member and as web guy for the MOA going over the top and admitting you have been over the top as well.

3. You are so over the top you can't see how wrong you are. I have been a member of MOA for 26-27 years, and a member of this forum 1.5. Maybe I should leave it and report you to a supervisor as the reason why!

[GrafikFeat]

You are so over the top you can't see how wrong you are. I have been a member of MOA for 26-27 years, and a member of this forum 1.5. Maybe I should leave it and report you to a supervisor as the reason why!

Wow.
Dude.
Let it go.
Look were you are seated.
Look around the room.
There is no one there.
You are arguing with text on a screen.

Scary.
Go for a ride.
Change the channel. Something!

[CourtFisher]

FYI--if you believe press releases [delivered 5pm 08/19/08]



THE 2009 F 650 GS ARRIVES AT U.S. BMW MOTORRAD DEALERS
08/19/2008

BMW's All-New Entry Level Model Makes its Debut with a Twin-Cylinder Engine
Woodcliff Lake, NJ - August 19, 2008... Tame the urban jungle or take the road less traveled! After much anticipation, BMW's sophisticated new addition to its entry level model lineup -- the 2009 BMW F 650 GS -- has arrived at U.S. BMW Motorrad dealers.

With its 71 hp, torquey twin-cylinder engine, the all-new 2009 F 650 GS offers more power and sophistication than its single-cylinder predecessor. Ideal for on- or off-road riding, urban commuting and any rider looking for a fun, efficient and reliable motorcycle, the middleweight twin tackles anything the ambitious motorcyclist could throw at it. Its rigid steel tube trellis frame, double-sided swing arm and chain drive offer reliability. A low seat height and narrow design make navigation through the worst traffic a breeze. Cast aluminum wheels and telescopic forks keep the ride smooth and precise at all times.

The 2009 F 650 GS has a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $8,255 (excluding freight). The Standard Package, offered at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $9,760, (excluding freight) includes heated hand grips, Anti-Lock Brakes, an on-board computer, and white turn signals. The 2009 F 650 GS is available in three colors -- Flame Red, Iceberg Silver Metallic, and Azur Blue Metallic.

The F 650 GS is the newest addition to BMW's dual-sport line up. It follows in the footsteps of the highly acclaimed R 1200 GS - which traces its roots back to the early 1980s when BMW won the grueling Paris-Dakar rally four times with its trailblazing dual-purpose R 80 GS. Since their debut in 2004, the versatile R 1200 GS and its rugged companion, the R 1200 GS Adventure, have earned praise from motorcycle enthusiasts and the press for their exceptional performance both on and off the road.

The R 1200 GS has earned award after award, including Cycle World's Best Open Class Street Bike and the International Journalist's Panel "Best Bike in the World." The R 1200 GS Adventure was named "Best Adventure Bike" three years in a row by editors of Motorcyclist Magazine.

BMW Group In America
BMW of North America, LLC has been present in the United States since 1975. Rolls-Royce Motor Cars NA, LLC began distributing vehicles in 2003. The BMW Group in the United States has grown to include marketing, sales, and financial service organizations for the BMW brand of motor vehicles, including motorcycles, the MINI brand, and the Rolls-Royce brand of Motor Cars; DesignworksUSA, an industrial design firm in California; a technology office in Silicon Valley and various other operations throughout the country. BMW Manufacturing Co., LLC in South Carolina is part of BMW Group's global manufacturing network and is the exclusive manufacturing plant for all Z4 models, X5 Sports Activity Vehicles and X6 Sport Activity Coupes. The BMW Group sales organization is represented in the U.S. through networks of 338 BMW passenger car centers, 335 BMW Sports Activity Vehicle centers, 142 BMW motorcycle retailers, 82 MINI passenger car dealers, and 30 Rolls-Royce Motor Car dealers. BMW (US) Holding Corp., the BMW Group's sales headquarters for North, Central and South America, is located in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey.

[PAULBACH]

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http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/0820NewBike004.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/0820NewBike003.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/0820NewBike002.jpg
It came to life for the first time at the first push of the starter.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/0820NewBike001.jpg

[Mika]

Congratulations!!!
:clap :clap

[ChopperGuy]

We are picking up my wife's new F650GS on Friday.

It's also red.

I think I'm actually as excited as she is plus I'm not in trouble any more for selling her HD Sportster 883 Low Custom!:clap

[stealthrider]

Paul, It's a beauty, Can't wait to see one in person..

[JackDaniels]

This is my 1st post as a proud new owner of a soon to be arriving F650 GS! I'm extremely envious seeing those pics but also hopeful that mine will be arriving soon. Unfortunately I have to drive 300 miles to pick it up but it will be well worth it.:nyah

Mine will be silver and loaded with everything but pressure monitor.

I've been lurking for a while but glad to be here now.

[chairman]

I am also waiting,and have been told mine is on the truck. My dealer says on Friday. I will wait and see. I plan on leaving next Tuesday to circle Lake Superior. It would be nice to take a new Bike.

[FredRydr]

I'm not counting on anything I'm reading. The BMW press release said the 19th, and some of you in the west are claiming delivery. But even though my dealer is two hours from New Jersey with my VIN and dealer allotment printout in hand, no bike as of today. :-(

Fred
'07 R1200R
'09 F650GS

[GrafikFeat]

I'm not counting on anything I'm reading. The BMW press release said the 19th, and some of you in the west are claiming delivery. But even though my dealer is two hours from New Jersey with my VIN and dealer allotment printout in hand, no bike as of today.

Check the beach... They're prolly rolling in the surf... (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/122_0701_bmw_washed_ashore_napoli/index.html)

Again! :laugh

[chairman]

Fred,
My dealer made a mistake. I am not going to worry about the GS anymore. I will be taking my Vstrom to circle Lake Superior. The GS should be waiting by the end of September.

[ChopperGuy]

Got the wife's new '09 F650GS on Friday. She put over 900 miles on it over the weekend at Gina's BMW in Iowa City, IA.:clap

Red, low bike with low seat. Too short for me to ride, but I'm sure I'll try.

Even had the run in service done on Saturday so she's good to go.

She likes this bike MUCH mor ethan her prior HD Sportster. She is looking forward to the taller windscreen. Freeway speeds were a problem for her. Other than that, it rides very well at all speeds, very smooth and plenty of power.

Averaged close to 60 MPG over the 945 mile trip.

Now we have to get her a BMWMOA membership.:deal

[71036]

Call me a skeptic, but the bikes have not hit any dealer that I have contacted in Tennessee, virginia, maryland or georgia. So where are they? People keep taking delivery, but no one has see one yet. Help me out on understanding.

Bruce

[PAULBACH]

I pick up mine tomorrow (8/26/2008). I would have taken delivery last week but lots of family activities precluded riding.

[bicyclist]

Call me a skeptic, but the bikes have not hit any dealer that I have contacted in Tennessee, virginia, maryland or georgia. So where are they? People keep taking delivery, but no one has see one yet. Help me out on understanding.

Bruce

Can't help, but I sat on one at Bob's BMW last Friday. They expected to get their demonstrator in first, but a customer's bike showed up instead. They expect to get the demonstrator in this week.

[Fleeter]

Call me a skeptic, but the bikes have not hit any dealer that I have contacted in Tennessee, virginia, maryland or georgia. So where are they? People keep taking delivery, but no one has see one yet. Help me out on understanding.

Bruce

Got mine from Morton's BMW in Fredericksburg, VA on Friday, Aug 22nd. They've sent two out the door now--another red one went out Saturday.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/Fleeter05/forum/P1020240.jpg

[jimbob59]

Call me a skeptic, but the bikes have not hit any dealer that I have contacted in Tennessee, virginia, maryland or georgia. So where are they? People keep taking delivery, but no one has see one yet. Help me out on understanding.

Bruce

Bruce:

I rode one @ dealer Greensboro NC this past Saturday 8/23.
red, lowered suspension, lowered seat.
Still available when I left the showroom.

Jim

[jimbob59]

'09 F650GS - 798 cc, 71 bhp @ 7000 rpm, 55 lb/ft @ 4500 rpm
'09 F800GS - 798 cc, 85 bhp @ 7500 rpm, 62 lb/ft @ 5750 rpm

Does anyone know what BMW does to reduce the power in this engine? The displacements are the same in the two models. Apparently for no extra charge, the BMW dealer will even reduce power to 35 bhp or thereabouts.
Fred

I believe it is just "magic" in the engine control software (aka firmware) and is reversible. I understand that this feature was created as newly licensed riders in parts of the UK are restricted to riding bikes with output of less than that ~35 BHP for a certain amount of time.

If true, I have to hand it to BMW for this as it is a great way to provide a free "upgrade" path for new riders

Jim

PS: I road a lowered-with-low-seat F650GS last wkend for probably 30 miles and was surprised that even with the thinner seat my rear-end was NOT complaining at the end of the ride. I have heard (but of course can not validate) that the seats do "break-in" to some degree and feel better after some weeks of riding...

[71036]

Well thank you to all those who wrote that they have actually taken delivary. I can't wait to get mine, but so far, Tennessee is barron of 2009 f650 gs bikes. Oh well, you all have a great ride. I will see you when I see you

Bruce

[JackDaniels]

Just got a call from my dealer saying he's received confirmation that it shipped from Jersey yesterday.:dance

Hoping to pick it up next Wednesday now.

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Motorcycle%20Pics/0826NewF650GS015s.jpg
Removed side case so you can see big muffler. Bike has a snarl sound.

Picked it up this afternoon. Neatest feature is continual readout of mpg the bike is getting at any moment. Coasting down hill I got it up to 178 miles per gallon. :laugh

[AZ-J]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Motorcycle%20Pics/0826NewF650GS015s.jpg
Removed side case so you can see big muffler. Bike has a snarl sound.

Picked it up this afternoon. Neatest feature is continual readout of mpg the bike is getting at any moment. Coasting down hill I got it up to 178 miles per gallon. :laugh

You look great along that pretty GS with its great "rumored to be upgradeable" engine, Paul. Enjoy.

I have that same "instant" mpg on my F800S a year plus (also has average mpg, speed, and a host of other functions) and I use it all the time. Not to outdo you though, I have maxed out the "instant" mpg at 199, streaming downhill on AZ 87.

[FredRydr]

A F650GS (not the one I ordered) and a F800GS arrived at the dealer yesterday, both not sold in advance. I got on both. Reconsidered all my research. Awww.... I changed my mind and bought the F800GS.

If anyone wants a red F650GS without ABS or computer on the floor now, or the silver F650GS with ABS and computer that I abandoned, contact Matt at the BMW dealer in Mechanicsburg PA.

Fred
'07 R1200R
'09 F800GS (minor change)

[awagnon]

I got on both. Reconsidered all my research. Awww.... I changed my mind and bought the F800GS.

What was it that made you change your mind? I sat on both at the MOA rally and couldn't tell that much difference, but I didn't actually ride either.

[FredRydr]

What was it that made you change your mind? I sat on both at the MOA rally and couldn't tell that much difference, but I didn't actually ride either.

I plan to use the bike for bashing around in the mountains of central PA, and I decided to go all the way with the suspension and front forks of the F800GS rather than the milder F650GS. I even am having the factory-installed street tires removed in favor of a set of Conti TKC80s. After all, I already own a street bike.

Fred

[71036]

That looks great on you Paul. I am waiting for my silver, lowered, no abs to be delivered in the next few weeks.
Oh, on another subject while I am posting. I noticed in your article in the recent ON that you talked about applying sun screen to your face. You mentioned childrens type. I had a harrowing experience a few years ago. I had put sunscreen on my face and had been riding on the interstate for about two hours in the heat. I noticed that my eyes started watering, and then my vision got blurry. I pulled off at the next exit and pulled immediately into a texaco station. By then I was completely blind. I killed the bike with the kill switch, got the side stand down, took off my helmut and sat there . I could barely make out that someone was walking past me. I asked for help. They helped me off the bike and got me some water to wash out my eyes. in about 5 minutes I could see again. The only thing that I have been able to determined that could cause it was the heat in the helmut combined with the sun screen. I was luck. I do not put sun screen above my eyes now and have never had the problem again. I enjoyed your article and wonder if the Childrens sun screen make the difference.

Bruce

[pairowheels]

I just took delivery of an F650 twin for my wife last Thursday Aug 28. I rode it home for her because she was intimidated by a taller bike (she's only ridden cruisers). I enjoyed the ride so much, I'm probably going to sell my 07R1200RT. The f650 has plenty of power, even if detuned, and shifts much smoother than the RTs and the ST I've owned, not to mention how light and flickable the bike is.

After riding it this weekend, my wife says it is the perfect bike for her, as I expected it to be. Too bad they're going to be difficult to buy for a while because the dealers I've spoken to in Colorado have commitments for all the F650s they'll be receiving for the foreseeable future.

[riders]

If you really want one and want to travel Gina's in Iowa City Iowa has one for sale and I noticed that Cleveland Ohio had a couple on their website for sale. My wife has one on order and she is getting a blue one suppose to be here in the next few weeks.

[jimbob59]

After riding it this weekend, my wife says it is the perfect bike for her, as I expected it to be. Too bad they're going to be difficult to buy for a while because the dealers I've spoken to in Colorado have commitments for all the F650s they'll be receiving for the foreseeable future.

From personal experience let me recommend that you CALL AROUND to other dealers you would be willing to do business with ....

The "allocation scheme" for these bikes is pretty screwy. I can't explain it as I don't know how the dealer network actually "works" other than "bigger is better" ... but some dealers have multiple units sitting on the floor, or in transit to them that are UNCLAIMED, while other dealers have a waiting list.

Frankly, from what I can see it does not seem fair to the smaller dealers, but then ... how often do thinks work better for the "little guy"? :blush

I'll shut up now...

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Smilies/smileycrystalball.gif
Method of distribution

[mrbreeze]

I was at Bloodworth's BMW in Nashville last Thursday. They had 2 F650GS's on the floor and one F800GS outside in the parking lot, all with "sold" signs on them. The salesman told me they had sold 6 of them (3 of each) already.

I'm still hoping for a Roadster version. Hopefully in mystic red. I think I would prefer the trellis frame of the GS, mainly just because I was really impressed with the expandable bags they had on one of the 650's. I would prefer belt drive, but he chain would not be a deal breaker for me.

As for the seat, I came to the realization that I would probably replace any OEM seat (and windshield) anyway, so I don't care if they bolt on a 2x4 as long as it's black. :p

[darcym]

I sat on a low seat F650GS at the dealership last week. I think the seat is the worst thing about this bike. It was very narrow at the front which was nice for reaching the ground (both feet! amazing!) but way too narrow at the back. What surprised me though was the skin on the seat wasn't all the way taut, and the stuff underneath - ! - rock hard! Not at all comfy.

It was full bagged with the new expandable bags (adventure type). They're very nice, but with that seat you won't be going more than 100 miles so what's the point of baggage?

I'm probably going to get the Wee-Strom, if I get another bike.

[PAULBACH]

Rode mine about 300 miles Sunday. The machine does 70mph turn 4K on tach. Redline is another 4K away.

Transmission is smooth - very smooth
Light weight and very "flickable"
Expandable cases hold a lot although tend to get in way when mounting bike. Maybe have to learn a new style of kick starting.

Three items in negative column

seat is like a brick
windshield was developed to create aftermarket sales
brake fluid reservoir seems like an afterthought


But chain drive will be sturdy and eliminate and FD problems :clap
Tubeless tires. Tubes on F800 seem a technological step backward. That alone makes the F650 much preferable.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/IMG_1657s.jpg
Will take awhile to figure out all the information provided by info button.

[jimbob59]

Three items in negative column
seat is like a brick
windshield was developed to create aftermarket sales
brake fluid reservoir seems like an afterthought



Paul:

I've had mine 1 week...

"They" say the seat does break in over the first 500 - 1000 miles.. stay tuned


Indeed windshield is short ... many options are discussed on F800riders.org


I am REALLY scratching my head on the front brake (aka bobble-head-urine-sample) reservoir.... This has also been discussed on the F800 forum...

Looking at the design of the R1200GS it would appear that this reservoir could be mounted on the F650/800GS. the design of the R1200GS uses the same master cylinder but a "directly" mounted reservoir. I'm going to ask the tech. about this when I go in for my 600 mile service. I don't know if this would be OK to do or not...

Another option is the TouraTech cover which masks the thing a bit and also keeps it from bobbling around so much...

Jim

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/urinesample.jpg
Front brake reservoir does look a lot like a urine sample. :laugh

First accessory I will add will be fuse panel so there will only be one extra set of wires off battery.

[AZ-J]

Front brake reservoir does look a lot like a urine sample. :laugh



I did this, $55 worth of parts and it's perfect. Last two minuscule screws are a little trying of skill, though. Read here:

http://f800riders.org/HoW/showentry.php?e=22&catid=2

[FredRydr]

If anyone wants to unload their standard seat, PM me.

Fred

[jimbob59]

I did this, $55 worth of parts and it's perfect. Last two minuscule screws are a little trying of skill, though. Read here:

http://f800riders.org/HoW/showentry.php?e=22&catid=2

Very nice, somehow I missed this article on the F800 site....

One thing bothers me...
The R1200G reservoir was designed prior to the F650/F800GS.
To me it seems like that is a fine design, and no one complains about how it looks or functions on the 1200... but yet....

Apparently ??? some BMW Engineer says:

"Nien, that !@#$#%@% will not work on the 650/800 we must have a new design because .... <speaker trails of indistinctly.....>"


What the heck WERE they thinking, and more importantly ... do we care?????

Jim

[PAULBACH]

JimBob59 - thank you!
OK good procedure - looks like a plan.

Has anyone installed a Scott Oiler on one of the BMW chain bikes? Are the worth the effort/cost?

[AZ-J]

Very nice, somehow I missed this article on the F800 site....

One thing bothers me...
The R1200G reservoir was designed prior to the F650/F800GS.
To me it seems like that is a fine design, and no one complains about how it looks or functions on the 1200... but yet....

Apparently ??? some BMW Engineer says:

"Nien, that !@#$#%@% will not work on the 650/800 we must have a new design because .... <speaker trails of indistinctly.....>"


What the heck WERE they thinking, and more importantly ... do we care?????

Jim

When I called Bob's BMW for the parts, the reservoir part # had been superseded by a newer K-bike one. That's what I got.

[jimbob59]

When I called Bob's BMW for the parts, the reservoir part # had been superseded by a newer K-bike one. That's what I got.

Hmmmm does it LOOK any different?

Thanks,
Jim

[AZ-J]

Hmmmm does it LOOK any different?

Thanks,
Jim

Just slightly in the reservoir contouring, and the cap configuration.

[JackDaniels]

I finally get to ride my new F650gs! Mine wouldn't idle at all when I brought it home from the dealership 320 miles away. I had to return it this weekend and have them find the problem (Vacuum tube). Now it runs like a champ! It was very frustrating :scratch being that this is my 1st BMW but I still love this bike, even with less than 100 miles.

[revkev]

Jack Daniels...have you ever lived in Wisconsin?

A friend of mine had a brother who went by "Jack Daniels" and was wondering.

Did you go to the dealer in SD?

Enjoy the bike...

[JackDaniels]

Nope... Lived in Montana all my life. Its amazing how many Jack Daniels' there really are.

I bought mine at Big Sky BMW in Missoula, MT

[revkev]

Jack, I lived in Billings for a time back in the 80s. Good memories. Drove through about a month ago.

Enjoy the bike and ride safely.

My wife and I toured the Jack Daniels facility a couple of years ago. It was very nice and well worth the time.