Video [Archive]

naddy100

02-11-2008, 02:24 PM

That's kinda where my question is headed. I've seen the usual instructions: close, medium, wide angle shots, pacing, transitions, cutaways, and a viewer's sense of time. And I've seen the usual instructions that it's all about the story.

I wouldn't mind a (supportive) critical eye on what I do. "They" say that still and video are pretty different, but I'll bet we've got some expertise here.

In a lot of cases, I'm dealing with real life that's rolling forward, and the participants aren't going to tolerate another take, but this time wave when you ride by. Not that my friends aren't pretty tolerant, but sometimes video isn't the main objective of the day.

If someone wishes, I'll submit a first video. It's our club meeting on Saturday at the Stennis Space Center.

http://www.bmwridersofmississippi.org/Images/Posted%20Pics/Feb08/Stennis/Stennis.html

I've got a wish list of shots I wish I'd gotten but didn't.
Noel

SNC1923

02-11-2008, 03:20 PM

Hey Naddy,

As one of the mods on the Photo Phorum, I would have to say that I think video would fit well here. My co-mod is out of town, and I would want him to weigh in on this, but it's YOUR forum. I just don't see it as a problem at all.

Because you've genuinely asked for critique, I'm happy to offer some. I'm far from an expert, but I did sell pro-sumer video for a couple of years and counseled many retail customers on how to improve their movies. Please take my comments for whatever they are worth to you.

Opening sequence: shots of bikes and individuals offer limited visual interest; however, I don't know these folks (except Lyle??). It may be that they represent something beyond just human interest. The shot of the bus arriving is GREAT: it helps to tell the story.

The shot of everyone getting on the bus seems F A R too long. It does, however, serve the purpose of getting everyone's face on camera. I would cut it, but I see both sides of the argument.

After this, things pick up nicely. Short, interesting scenes of varying lengths. Good camera work, too. Some are a bit jumpy, but that's become an emulated style in Hollywood! I like your transitions and your amazing self-control with the zoom. I mean not only that you do it sparingly, but that you do it slowly. Very nice.

The shot at the flight simulator is masterful editing. Start quick, ends quick, is funny. . . . The following shot in the space suit is great camera work. Really very entertaining. Shot going from the newspaper headline to the TV is great.

I'd say this is a really nice little film. It's length, at only four minutes, is pretty ideal. The only real criticism I have is the aforementioned bus embarking shot. Your camera is steady, your shots interesting, your editing judicious.

I like to incorporate still shots when applicable. Perhaps you might include some of your clubmate's still images to fill out some scenes? I remember counseling customers on two or three key points:

The camera doesn't have to move. You can allow something to move within the frame.

Don't zoom much.

As a general rule, keep your scenes under 10 seconds. (There are numerous, obvious exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb.)

You seem to be doing all of this already. Thanks for sharing this entertaining video. I'm sure others will chime in as well. Maybe even someone who actually knows what he's talking about.

naddy100

02-11-2008, 03:52 PM

Hey Naddy,
Opening sequence: shots of bikes and individuals offer limited visual interest; however, I don't know these folks (except Lyle??). It may be that they represent something beyond just human interest. The shot of the bus arriving is GREAT: it helps to tell the story.

Thanks for all of the comments, especially about the opening sequence! That's the value of an independent assessment.
Noel

robsryder

02-11-2008, 08:29 PM

There are a number of linked videos which can be found through out this forum. One member that goes by "sfarson" has links to many very fine examples of motorcycle videos.

Almost a year and a half ago I started a thread on this topic. Sfarson provided some links in that thread to many of his videos. Worth following... See:
http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8389

For public viewing I've been posting videos to either YouTube or Google Video, but those videos get re-worked to have a lower resolution (and smaller size). The (free) hosting sites obviously want to reduce somewhat the storage requirements and bandwidth necessary to send and receive video.

Sfarson has (or had) his own server which allowed him to retain a much higher resolution in his videos (plus the subject matter was pretty cool also).

I'd be happy to offer some tips that I've learned about various hardware configurations and editing software. Similarly I'd quite like to learn about what others are doing.

bensonga

02-11-2008, 10:32 PM

bensonga

02-11-2008, 10:54 PM

Here's another motorcycle video I really like....with Beemers! The Dolomiten ride video by Karawane. I believe you have to download the Windows Media file (20 mb) to see it.....but it's well worth it.

http://www.motorradkarawane.de/fpx/dolomiten.wmv

Of course, after watching a video like this one, I keep asking myself "How did they get that shot, and that one....that one too?" :scratch

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

bensonga

02-11-2008, 11:48 PM

Here's another motorcycle video I really like....with Beemers!

Just too bad the fellow on the F650GS Dakar wasn't riding something a little sportier!

How about an R1200S pavement dancing with that HP2? Wooohooo indeed! :dance

:laugh

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

Burnszilla

02-12-2008, 12:08 AM

There's great information here for video producing.... http://current.com/producerTraining.htm

bricciphoto

02-12-2008, 08:36 AM

Does video fit in this forum? Is there a general willingness to critique videos?
Noel

Noel my long ago college education was in television/video/film production. I do not work in the industry today, so I'm lost on any new technology, but generally the aesthetic values of the craft are (mostly) unchanged. I'm willing to provide some critique/feedback when I have an opportunity to view your video on my home internet connection.

robsryder

02-12-2008, 12:18 PM

There's great information here for video producing.... http://current.com/producerTraining.htm

Thanks for the link. I found a lot of good tips in viewing just the initial 5 min "Production Tips" clip.

naddy100

02-12-2008, 07:53 PM

Bensonga,

That's a great video of riding! Dolomiten is the Dolomites?
Noel

crgrbrts

02-12-2008, 08:09 PM

I've been enjoying the adventures of Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman on their GSs thanks to downloads of the "Long Way Round" and "Race to Dakar" series from Streamburst TV. They're not free, but reasonably priced and the "High Quality" files are as good as the packaged DVDs. I downloaded both series (plus some great MotoGP and IOM TT videos) and burned them onto DVDs. There's enough good viewing here to keep one entertained 'til some reasonably decent riding weather arrives.

Check 'em out at http://www.streamburst.tv/catalogue/brands

Craig
ignoring the Chesapeake trio election returns

bensonga

02-12-2008, 08:35 PM

Bensonga,

That's a great video of riding! Dolomiten is the Dolomites?
Noel

Yes, although I don't speak German....I'm pretty sure Dolomiten must be Dolomites. I thought it was a well done video and soundtrack, despite the hooligan wheelies. :-) The only minor wheelie I've ever done was 100% unintentional on my SuperHawk, accelerating up a hill from a 15 mph right turn....once was enough for me, but I still enjoyed this video.

Looking at it again and again.....I just can't help wondering how they got some of those shots. I also like the mixing of video and still images.....a good idea I know others have mentioned. Nice change of pace with the music too, there at the end.

Wish I could find a better quality version.

Ok.....so now I gotta ask again.....what did folks think of the Kawasaki W650 Retro video? Short, fast paced, good music (I liked it anyways)....interesting flashes of video that really enhanced the sense of motion and speed to me.

Any comments on that one folks?

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

bensonga

02-12-2008, 08:45 PM

I've been enjoying the adventures of Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman on their GSs thanks to downloads of the "Long Way Round" and "Race to Dakar" series from Streamburst TV.

Another impressive motorcycle adventure video is "Riding Solo to the Top of the World". A fellow in India rode from Bombay to a high plateau on the India/China border....on a 350cc motorcycle up over 16,000 to 18,000 ft elevation passes. He carried all his own equipment (on the bike), camping gear, video gear, still camera, audio gear. He shot all the video, still and audio himself.....including video of him riding the motorcycle across the plains, up the mountain passes, etc. Interesting story in and of itself on how he did that! An amazing journey. This is one of the best motorcycle adventure movies I've ever seen. It has won numerous awards.

I ordered the DVD and it arrived (from India) via priority mail, well packaged in less than a week.

http://www.dirttrackproductions.com/

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

bricciphoto

02-13-2008, 07:40 AM

Noel:

A very nice job. I agree with many of Tom’s comments. I am going from memory because I watched your video last night. I really don’t remember the beginning that well, which is sort of telling about the content. I think one thing would have helped is establishing a location for the intro: bikes arriving, tight shots (and quick edits) of people removing helmets, turning keys off, map on a tank bag, people walking, talking, stills of a sign or building to suggest location, etc. The parking lot shot was too broad to have much meaning or impact. The bus loading shot is too long—at least from that one camera position. You could have varied the camera position, height, location, etc. to break it up. Single camera production is difficult for “home videos” because you generally don’t have the opportunity to create a storyboard or have the opportunity for multiple takes to vary the camera perspective while maintaining continuity. The camera is the viewer and once you set up in the front of the bus I was waiting to see how the camera was going to get on the bus without disrupting the flow. You did a nice job judiciously using dissolves and fades to manage transitions that required a lapse of time or relocation of the camera (viewer). Your shots of the gentleman in the shuttle cockpit, flight simulator, gentleman in the space suit, the newspaper and TV were all generally excellent. I would have zoomed out from the cockpit shot as opposed to zooming in—we already had the pay off when we saw him in the cockpit. Getting closer didn’t reveal much more from that point, whereas seeing him up close, then learning he was in the cockpit would have been more interesting (in my opinion). The space suit shot was great. As an alternative you could have zoomed a wee bit faster on that one or actually moved the camera closer to prevent your video from being “zoom happy” (I don’t think it was, but variety is nice). Great job spotting the opportunity to combine the newspaper clipping and TV footage in one shot as an alternative suggestion, you could have tilted the camera up as opposed to pan or tilted and slowly zoomed out. A lot of my comments are Monday morning quarterbacking. I agree with Tom: stills inserted here and there would have added some interest to the overall documentation of the trip. I would add some voice over narration in addition to music. I would also use some of the wild sound (although to be honest, I turned the volume down so I really don’t know how much you recorded, but a good video has a mixture of voice over, music, and sound the camera recorded.) One thing that is consistent from still photography to motion pictures (video) is film/tape/disk space is cheap and time isn’t. Basically shoot your butt off and then cull it down rather than try to stretch shots or have shooter’s remorse (“I wish I would have taken a shot of X, Y, or Z”). Overall you did a nice job maintaining balance from shot to shot. Some of the zooms were a little long. There weren’t any obvious jump cuts. Most of the shots appeared to be from eye level—a little variety (emphasis on a little) in height, wide versus close-up, wouldn’t have hurt. Look for opportunities to shoot multiple perspectives of the same scene to mimic multiple camera production (recognizing your going to edit—as opposed to shooting live). It looks as though you have a good grasp of the basics and have good discipline on zooming, panning, etc. Length was just about perfect. :thumb

naddy100

02-13-2008, 08:36 AM

Noel:
A very nice job. I agree with many of Tom’s comments.

And I appreciate the comments you added as well! Cumulatively, I've got a bigger bag of ideas for next time. Thanks,
Noel

lamble

02-13-2008, 09:50 AM

Yes, although I don't speak German....I'm pretty sure Dolomiten must be Dolomites. I thought it was a well done video and soundtrack, despite the hooligan wheelies. :-) The only minor wheelie I've ever done was 100% unintentional on my SuperHawk, accelerating up a hill from a 15 mph right turn....once was enough for me, but I still enjoyed this video.

Looking at it again and again.....I just can't help wondering how they got some of those shots. I also like the mixing of video and still images.....a good idea I know others have mentioned. Nice change of pace with the music too, there at the end.

Wish I could find a better quality version.

Ok.....so now I gotta ask again.....what did folks think of the Kawasaki W650 Retro video? Short, fast paced, good music (I liked it anyways)....interesting flashes of video that really enhanced the sense of motion and speed to me.

Any comments on that one folks?

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

These videos clearly shows the difference between riding for a film and filming a ride.
Filming of this nature requires many, many interuptions to what would be regarded as a normal ride. Setting up shots ahead of time, then riding back and forth until they are captured and that's with two riders. With one rider it would be even harder.
There's even acting, well a mime of sorts, at the coffee stop, that needs preproduction planning. Then judicious editing.

I'd suggest it shows what should be aimed for when making a film, but caution that it is not a ride that's filmed, but is riding for a film and if you expect that you can accomplish both in one, then expect to be either frustrated in your ride, or, disappointed in your film (if these videos are the examples you are using for comparison).

kbasa

02-13-2008, 11:55 AM

These videos clearly shows the difference between riding for a film and filming a ride.
Filming of this nature requires many, many interuptions to what would be regarded as a normal ride. Setting up shots ahead of time, then riding back and forth until they are captured and that's with two riders. With one rider it would be even harder.
There's even acting, well a mime of sorts, at the coffee stop, that needs preproduction planning. Then judicious editing.

I'd suggest it shows what should be aimed for when making a film, but caution that it is not a ride that's filmed, but is riding for a film and if you expect that you can accomplish both in one, then expect to be either frustrated in your ride, or, disappointed in your film (if these videos are the examples you are using for comparison).

I thought it was pretty entertaining. Tina and I have talked about making some travelogue type videos, but are sort of stuck about how to get decent video when stopped. We could make one of us the "host" while the other works the camera, but I'm not sure that's really what we're looking for.

One of the things I liked about the Dolomite video was the scene in the coffee shop. That's what motorcyclists look like when they're stopped after a decent ride.

I guess I should try and build some kind of script, huh? Then maybe go out as a pair of us and shoot some video and see what falls out.

lamble

02-13-2008, 01:52 PM

I thought it was pretty entertaining. Tina and I have talked about making some travelogue type videos, but are sort of stuck about how to get decent video when stopped. We could make one of us the "host" while the other works the camera, but I'm not sure that's really what we're looking for.

One of the things I liked about the Dolomite video was the scene in the coffee shop. That's what motorcyclists look like when they're stopped after a decent ride.

I guess I should try and build some kind of script, huh? Then maybe go out as a pair of us and shoot some video and see what falls out.

It depends what the end result is, that you are aiming for.
As a linear reminder of a trip, just shoot what you see as you see it...no regrets over missed shots.
On the other hand, set shots you want on a storyboard after having reconnoitured the route, chosen the angles, the time of day, and all those logistical issues, then shoot the clips, then reassemble in editing so they look like a linear ride.
As has been mentioned, more than one camera will help immensely when it comes to editing. I'm in the process of fitting four cameras to my bike. Three with SD cards and a helmet cam linked to a digitape camera, so I can use it on and off the bike. What I'd really like is a multi camera controller, as only the helmet cam has a remote control. The more footage you get the better.

Have fun and if your eye for a photographic image is anything to go by, you should have good results.

bricciphoto

02-13-2008, 02:48 PM

bensonga

02-14-2008, 12:35 AM

These videos clearly shows the difference between riding for a film and filming a ride.

This was a terrific insight for me and really helped to focus my mind on the types of videos that I might 1) like to create and 2) enjoy watching. I think my video skills are a long way off from putting together a really good video about riding (with music etc)....but those are typically the ones I enjoy most. Not saying I don't enjoy watching video of a ride, but it's a different level of enjoyment. Yet, that's the one I'm mostly likely going to be able to put together (if anything).

I did shoot a very short edited video of a friend riding his MV Augusta F4S on some curvy roads, mostly just to enjoy the sight and sound of the bike....which, because of the perspective and way it appears (more like the W650 video...but not as good!) I would characterize as something of a video about riding and the MV than a filming a ride. Have to see if I can find that one and put it up on YouTube for your comments and thoughts.

Thanks again for the great tips and points of view....I'm really enjoying this thread. Anxious to give it a try again.

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

kbasa

02-14-2008, 05:33 AM

robsryder

02-14-2008, 12:36 PM

kbasa

02-14-2008, 01:10 PM

with the accompanying soundtrack in the kbasa video above I was half expecting to see a wheelie (view of the sky) followed by a stoppie (view of the street), followed by one of those everything speeds up jumble ka-boom crash scenes :)

:ha

I put that together in about ten minutes using iMovie. I really need to shoot some more video so I get better with editing. Burnszilla seems to be a whiz at it.

monkeywork

02-14-2008, 02:21 PM

I've done some film work in the past and work for a video production facility presently so I'll toss in my two cents..

Before you shoot anything. Have a story. Even if it's just a ride, give the audience a reason to watch it.

Multiple camera angles, and all sorts of cool techniques do not make up for the lack of a subject. In the 3D animation classes I've taught, I tell students that you can tell a good story with stick figures. Pixar is great at storytelling.

Lighting, camera, lens work is all important, but don't forget sound. Audio is 50% of a movie. Just ask George Lucas. If you were to watch a tv show such as Star trek without the background foley, underscore and the entire canvas of sound. It looks like a show shot inside a cardboard box. Audio helps set the scene and sell the scene. A camera mic is the wrong thing to end up on your final soundtrack. A simple lavalier makes a world of difference.

That said, all of the great editing, sound, and effects shouldn't take over the story. If someone notices an edit... fix it.

When I worked theater, a great stage manager told me, "You want the music to fade, the lights to dim and the image to strike the curtain as the movie starts and you don't want to interupt that magic until the curtain closes"

You have a chance to take people somewhere with your film, don't waste their time.

My 2 cents.

crgrbrts

02-14-2008, 03:17 PM

I enjoyed your video, Dave, but -- geez -- how tall are you? (Your on-bike point of view seems a lot loftier than mine).

Oh, I'm looking for recommendations regarding cameras/recorders. Image quality is important to me but, of course, so is portability and practicality.

Thanks,

Craig

bricciphoto

02-14-2008, 06:55 PM

I've wanted to combine my interest in video (Panasonic AG-DVC30) and motorcycling too. Here's an example of what I'd like to do someday. This is a low quality YouTube version, but I like the movement of the bike and the combined soundtrack. I was able to find a higher quality copy of this video, so I cleaned up some of the obvious editing glitches on the copy I enjoy at home now. I suppose the fact that I have a pair of Kawasaki W650s influences how much I enjoy watching the video....again and again and again :laugh , so I'll be curious to know what you folks think it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6fbon11QdY

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

1. Nice bikes! 2. Superb video. If I recall shot almost exclusively off the bike with very basic edits and composition (and a lot harder than it looks). Two key attributes to this video are the soundtrack (sound of the bike) and the vintage look (whatever they did to get the aged film look). Recording the bike's sound is probably the most difficult aspect of this for the non-professional. Basically the production elements are very basic, which is why it creates a strong impression--no gimmicks.

kbasa

02-14-2008, 07:39 PM

robsryder

02-14-2008, 08:22 PM

:ha

The camera was mounted on top of my helmet.

That is the helmet-camera.com set-up, correct? I mounted mine on the lower left side of the helmet.

I have made on-the-fly adjustments to the camera position on the helmet. The sturdy helmet-camera holder is secured with the industrial strength velcro stuff. Sometimes on-the-fly adjustments result in a view of the sky rather than the road.

When it is a nice day and I'm on a good road all I'm thinking about is riding. The video becomes incidental. The creation of a planned story with multiple stops, camera repositioning, various shots from different angles, and multiple takes is a lot of work. For videos like that it has to be about the video not the riding.

Add in all of the time to do the editing and a short video clip that is interesting (to others) takes a lot of time. I've heard that an interesting minute of video can require from 2 to 10 hours of effort.

At one time there was a feller that posted some m/c related video threads and he had an interesting way to show an off-set angle view. I think that he called his device a magic broomstick - sort of an articulated arm. He didn't show any details of the device, alas. I think that he has not been active on the MOA forum for a little while.

bensonga

02-14-2008, 11:25 PM

1. Nice bikes! Thanks! We love 'em...especially on those rare hot summer days here in Alaska. :-)

2. Superb video. If I recall shot almost exclusively off the bike with very basic edits and composition (and a lot harder than it looks). Two key attributes to this video are the soundtrack (sound of the bike) and the vintage look (whatever they did to get the aged film look). Recording the bike's sound is probably the most difficult aspect of this for the non-professional. Basically the production elements are very basic, which is why it creates a strong impression--no gimmicks.

I agree....there's alot about this video that I really like, but I wasn't sure I could trust my own subjective impressions, given that we own a pair of these bikes and I suspected that my enjoyment was biased by that connection. Maybe I need to dive in and start learning how to do this....because THIS is the kind of motorcycle video that really interests me. I wonder if "fuzzynormal" would be willing to share any of his video creation secrets. ;-)

Re that aged film look....it's weird, but my whole world changes into that sepia/retro 60s look when I'm out on the W650 for a ride. I never made the connection until you mentioned it just now. :laugh

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

bensonga

02-14-2008, 11:40 PM

At one time there was a feller that posted some m/c related video threads and he had an interesting way to show an off-set angle view. I think that he called his device a magic broomstick - sort of an articulated arm.

Maybe that's the type of device that was used to get some of the low angle, off-set from the motorcycle, shots in the Dolomiten video. I always wondered how they got those shots....and yet you never see any video equipment attached to the motorcycles in that video. It's a mystery to me...

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

robsryder

02-15-2008, 06:44 PM

I don't know what happened to the guy "Joe" that had posted earlier to the MOA forum on some of his videos, including his "magic broomstick". I did a search here and on the Pashnit website and found that some issues came up. Not my business. Too bad.... I liked his video style and wanted to learn more about his "magic broomstick".

I'd thought that his videos were no longer available for viewing, but some of the clips seem to be available on YouTube. Some links are below. I liked the techniques of telling a story using various angles on the bike intermixed with direct interviews. Worth watching...

I see that another website has been established with videos and stuff for sale. See:
http://www.motorcycletheater.com/

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BONEY

02-15-2008, 09:15 PM

I generally drag the camera along and catch whatever is interesting. So in essence, I suppose I'm filming a ride, as someone previously stated.

In the case of this video, the story came to me while I was riding, and it was easy to put it together. Sorry no BMW content.

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bensonga

02-23-2008, 01:54 AM

Here are a couple very short videos I created a few years ago of a friend riding his MV Agusta F4S. I'll have to say, that MV is one of the best sounding motorcycles I've ever ridden.

These are some of my earliest (and as it turns out, only) attempts at creating motorcycle related videos. Very basic, I was just learning how to handle the camera (an old Sony Digital 8 camcorder) and edit video (Pinnacle Studio Deluxe) in these short takes.

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

http://www.youtube.com/v/6dpuO1NVbt8

http://www.youtube.com/v/uqtd16wgaG0

lamble

02-25-2008, 11:12 AM

Anyone have any examples of footage shot using the mini cameras such as the Hero 3?
What's the resolution like. I know it's a 3Megapixel but is what comes off the 2 gig SD any good as either stills or video, both of which it reports as doing?

Any other less than $150 "disposable" camera/videos out there that you've used?

I need something suitable for filming from an angle where road debris can do damage to it, where rain and water will try to ruin it, so cheap but hardy. Any examples?

donbmw

02-25-2008, 12:40 PM

Go the below link. I bought one from Sams after new years. I does ok for power off only 2 aa batteries. The size to be is better than the Hero.

Don

http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=6&scid=14&pid=771

robsryder

02-25-2008, 02:51 PM

Anyone have any examples of footage shot using the mini cameras such as the Hero 3?...

I'm unfamiliar with the specifics of the Hero 3 beyond that shown on the linked website:
http://www.goprocamera.com/

This website does have a link to some motorcycle videos said to made with this camera. See:
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelvideo/8/584/0/video.aspx

I'm not crazy about 4 cylinder sport bikes - and they go so fast that I start to pucker up in my chair just watching :)

I've used some of the solid-state devices that record to an SD or CF card. I believe that there are a number of factors that affect the quality of the video. The lens quality is certainly one factor. The capture resolution (i.e., 320x240 sometimes called CIF, 640x480 sometimes called VGA), the frame grab rate (i.e., 12 frames per second (FPS), 24 FPS, or 30 FPS seem to be common), and the stored format and degree of compression (i.e., AVI, MPG4) will also play a role in the quality of the recorded image.

I tried an experiment with a smallish, inexpensive camcorder made by Microtek that could capture 640x480 images at 20 FPS in MPEG4 format. I mounted the camera on the handlebars, behind the windshield of my airhead GS. The recorded video was not watchable. The video was too jerky and sort of blurry.

Several years ago I used an inexpensive small camcorder made by Aiptek. This camera would record 320x240 at 12 FPS in AVI format. Except for the small frame size the video was ok. The camera was mounted to the handlebars, behind the windshield of my airhead GS. The 12 FPS didn't seem to be too much of a hinderance in getting an acceptable video. The biggest problem with this little camera is that the built-in microphone would resonate in the camera at certain RPMs on my airheads, especially my R60/6. This resonance would manifest itself as a loud buzzzzzzzz.

lamble

02-25-2008, 04:33 PM

I'm unfamiliar with the specifics of the Hero 3 beyond that shown on the linked website:
http://www.goprocamera.com/

This website does have a link to some motorcycle videos said to made with this camera. See:
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelvideo/8/584/0/video.aspx

I'm not crazy about 4 cylinder sport bikes - and they go so fast that I start to pucker up in my chair just watching :)

I've used some of the solid-state devices that record to an SD or CF card. I believe that there are a number of factors that affect the quality of the video. The lens quality is certainly one factor. The capture resolution (i.e., 320x240 sometimes called CIF, 640x480 sometimes called VGA), the frame grab rate (i.e., 12 frames per second (FPS), 24 FPS, or 30 FPS seem to be common), and the stored format and degree of compression (i.e., AVI, MPG4) will also play a role in the quality of the recorded image.

I tried an experiment with a smallish, inexpensive camcorder made by Microtek that could capture 640x480 images at 20 FPS in MPEG4 format. I mounted the camera on the handlebars, behind the windshield of my airhead GS. The recorded video was not watchable. The video was too jerky and sort of blurry.

Several years ago I used an inexpensive small camcorder made by Aiptek. This camera would record 320x240 at 12 FPS in AVI format. Except for the small frame size the video was ok. The camera was mounted to the handlebars, behind the windshield of my airhead GS. The 12 FPS didn't seem to be too much of a hinderance in getting an acceptable video. The biggest problem with this little camera is that the built-in microphone would resonate in the camera at certain RPMs on my airheads, especially my R60/6. This resonance would manifest itself as a loud buzzzzzzzz.

Okay I've just been out and bought a Hero 3, I also ordered the flexible mount that the MotorCycle Theater guys iuse , as although this would kick the Hero out into the wind, I was told that the wind noise isn't captures...don't know why or how they eliminate it, but for $120 it's worth a punt.
I already have a stick like camera that shoots at very low res from Oregon Scientific, plus a DV camera and Hoyt helmet set up, plus another DV camera for PAL.
I've a sample vid I shot in China in September, that I'm just about to compress the life out of and see if I can get it on You Tube, then I'll post it and you can all tear it to shreads, in a possitive way of course.

robsryder

02-25-2008, 05:54 PM

... I'm just about to compress the life out of and see if I can get it on You Tube...

I've had better luck with Google Video than YouTube. Google owns YouTube, but larger files seem to be handled better with Google Video. When your file is uploaded there is some manipulation / compression that occurs and the resolution is lowered somewhat. There may be a delay of a few hours or days while this is occurring. But the price is pretty good - free!

Google video is at:
http://video.google.com/

The only way to do better is like one of the forum users has - have your own server. Some of sfarson's videos have not only great scenery, but are very sharp coming from his server.

lamble

02-25-2008, 06:08 PM

I've had better luck with Google Video than YouTube. Google owns YouTube, but larger files seem to be handled better with Google Video. When your file is uploaded there is some manipulation / compression that occurs and the resolution is lowered somewhat. There may be a delay of a few hours or days while this is occurring. But the price is pretty good - free!

Google video is at:
http://video.google.com/

The only way to do better is like one of the forum users has - have your own server. Some of sfarson's videos have not only great scenery, but are very sharp coming from his server.

Now you tell me!

Ever since my last post I've been watching a clock spin and reading uploading.

That's not quite true, I also went to check on the copyright issues and cut off the first upload session, but I'm a novice, what do you expect?

After I've finally uploaded to YouTube, I'll check out Google video. I need to be nice to google, we need their help with unchainedworld.com on something called polygon measurements from linear vectors (I frankly have no idea what the hell that means, but my technical chums get excited about it, so that's okay).

Note: the above statement is not intended to be justification for anyone to try and explain it to me, so don't!

Unchainedworld will have its own servers, but for my tiffling efforts at the moment, I don't feel it would be apt to risk contaminating our development platform.

Oooh listen to me, servers and our development platform. That almost sounds like I know what I'm talking about doesn't it?

BONEY

02-25-2008, 07:55 PM

I've been playing a lot with video lately. I'm moving away from YouTube and Google and going to my own server. Why? Same reason as others have stated before... the re-compressed file quality is poor, and even when following the "tips" from both sites and encoding video the way they say makes it look best, I've found that it's not really much better. For streaming, large files aren't that good for most people, so I've started using 320x240 30 fps WMV files as a standard. They look much better than YouTube or Google and aren't a whole lot longer in loading.

The problem is that you have to have your own server, or storage space. Most ISPs give you some. I've had a web site for years, and my host keeps raising the storage and bandwidth limits while reducing their rate$. This works great as I move into large files and bandwidth requirements. For most providers, it's usually pretty easy to put files there, and can be "ftp"-ed using windows explorer. (I've also installed and started using a SmugSmug like photo gallery program.)

About the same time as I started to put the above together:

I discovered some embedding code that works right here on our server, and also in AdvRider (I noticed the YouTube and Google Video embeds and played with the code enough to get it to work for WMV files. I'm still working on other formats.) Also, the the Forums I frequent that don't embed video, I've created a quick, generic php web page that will show whatever video I tell it to without having to write a separate page for each, and without the watcher having to wait for their video program to load.

I'm happy to share what I know, and what I have for anyone who is interested. (Not that it's much, but it's a start.)

Embedded Player, it's size can be scaled:
<object height=240 width=320>
<embed src="http://www.beachbus.net/storage/video/LaHondaRd.wmv" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="240" width="320" autoplay="false">
</embed>
</object>

PHP web page (note the url- changing the part after "=" changes the video)
http://www.beachbus.net/embed.php?video=LaHondaRd.wmv

robsryder

02-26-2008, 11:42 AM

Ok! The "shoe view" in the above video was kinda neat. Now you need to post a picture showing the camera / recorder used. I'd like to see the camera placement on the passenger peg (?).

lamble

02-26-2008, 06:44 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6713843414871323880

here's a first attempt, using Isquint compression, plus google video.

Let's see if it plays.

Please note, I get 2% credits for every different transition I use in this piece. I know, and you know, that that's just wrong, and credit should be given for using the correct transitions judiciously, but I'm a sucker for credits, so what can you do?

lamble

02-27-2008, 11:16 AM

So it plays, hoorah for that. Next question, how do you get the small screen to embed in the thread? I could do it from youtube, but I must be overlooking something obvious at googlevideo.

Oh yes, and any comments would be welcomed.

BONEY

02-27-2008, 01:06 PM

lamble

02-27-2008, 01:13 PM

On the right side of the screen there's a button, it says "Email-Embed." After you push it you then have to click the Embedded HTML link to get the window with the code to open.

I don't want to jack your video, so I'll let you do the honors.

Okay either when I post this it will look like the garbage I'm looking at now, or this message will not make sense, in which case I'll have achieved my goal.

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6713843414871323880&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

lamble

02-27-2008, 01:21 PM

Well that must be simple...it worked.
When I saw the embed button first time round and clicked on it, I thought I'd have to type in the target web addresses in the panel, so didn't progress. Now you've explained it Boney, it's much simpler.

Thanks.

lamble

03-18-2008, 10:47 AM

I'm talking with a remote control technology company about wireless activation and control of multiple cameras, via a single bike mounted unit.
I like the idea of multi camera synchronised videoing.

I'll let you know:
1.if it's possible
2. if it's affordable and
3. if it meets the first two requirements and I get the system built, if it works.

Muneio

03-20-2008, 10:38 PM

lamble

03-20-2008, 11:27 PM

Muneio

03-21-2008, 09:53 AM

Nice not to have the ubiquitous rock track all the way through. I particularly like the way the last track works with the visuals.
Fixed camera position when riding...fixed to what?

Helmet cam mounted to right side of helmet.

lamble

03-21-2008, 09:59 AM

Helmet cam mounted to right side of helmet.

So how comes it's so still?
I'll be posting a vid in a while from a Death Valley ride. It was a side mounted helmet cam. It's all over the place. I think looking at the un edited footage, at one point I'm off the road and in the dirt.
Here's a thought. Is your helmet so loose you can swivel your head in it? :dunno

Muneio

03-21-2008, 10:13 AM

So how comes it's so still?
I'll be posting a vid in a while from a Death Valley ride. It was a side mounted helmet cam. It's all over the place. I think looking at the un edited footage, at one point I'm off the road and in the dirt.
Here's a thought. Is your helmet so loose you can swivel your head in it? :dunno
Haven't had any problem with helmet cam stability when mounted to helmet but, I don't ride in the dirt. Still haven't figured out how to mount DV cam directly to bike without lots of vibration. Anyone have a solution for that?

Bill

Muneio

03-21-2008, 10:17 AM

Just received this in email looks pretty useful. DVC Cast (http://dvcreatorslabs.com/dvccast/features/integration)

robsryder

03-21-2008, 10:26 AM

Ok here's my attempt from a couple of years ago.
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8VZV3BJupEE&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8VZV3BJupEE&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

I thought that this was a nice little video. I particularly liked the intermixing of scenes taken off the bike with those on the bike. The ending with the sunset and camping was really most excellent. This is one of those videos that could be watched over and over.

YouTube seems set on the 320x240 pixel resolution. I presume that the helmet camera was recorded to a miniDV camera which is at 720x480 pixels. (Nice touch showing the hand held camcorder with the helmet camera, by the way). Did you save the finished video in the 720x480 pixel resolution (and have YouTube do the downsizing) or did you save the finished video at 320x240 pixels?

Please let us know about your video equipment and editing software. Thanks!

kbasa

03-21-2008, 11:57 AM

If you have one of the upgraded smugmug accounts, you can post video. Some varieties allow for hosting of HD video, without compression.

You can't embed, but you can still link easily.

I saw it demonstrated at the Smugmug birthday party and it was very, very impressive. I'm sure they'll add additional functionality, as they usually do.

robsryder

03-21-2008, 01:25 PM

If you have one of the upgraded smugmug accounts, you can post video. Some varieties allow for hosting of HD video, without compression...

One of the problems with videos of higher resolution is the bandwidth required for downloading. I have download speeds capable of exceeding 10 Mb/s but even YouTube sometimes has pauses - more due to server delays than bandwidth limitations.

One MOA member, sfarson, used his own server for videos. His videos are generally 640x480 or better in resolution. I found that I needed to download the videos to my hard drive before watching.

Some folks may not wish their videos to be in a downloadable form. YouTube uses something like the Flash video format which isn't easily captured onto a hard drive for replay absent an internet connection.

In some instances I have made higher resolution versions of my videos available to folks. In those cases I burned the 640x480 or 720x480 clips to a DVD and sent it to them via snail-mail. It was too difficult to transmit the video files over the internet (via ftp). I briefly experimented with BitTorrent, but it also wasn't very successful (although some of the issues could have been with the file generator or persons trying to download the files).

There are some sites which seem suited for transfer of large files, like higher resolution video clips. Some examples are:
http://www.filesdirect.com/
http://www.yousendit.com/

The issue then becomes the relatively low upload speeds allowed by many ISPs. In my case I have over 10 Mb/s download but only about 0.7 Mb/s for uploading. I will often get a timeout on the upload of large files.

Muneio

03-21-2008, 02:30 PM

I thought that this was a nice little video. I particularly liked the intermixing of scenes taken off the bike with those on the bike. The ending with the sunset and camping was really most excellent. This is one of those videos that could be watched over and over.

YouTube seems set on the 320x240 pixel resolution. I presume that the helmet camera was recorded to a miniDV camera which is at 720x480 pixels. (Nice touch showing the hand held camcorder with the helmet camera, by the way). Did you save the finished video in the 720x480 pixel resolution (and have YouTube do the downsizing) or did you save the finished video at 320x240 pixels?

Please let us know about your video equipment and editing software. Thanks!
Thanks Rob,
I'm using a Jones cam 480x (http://www.jonescam.tv/) helmet cam feeding into a Canon GL2 (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=165&modelid=7512) and a small Canon Optura 50 for hand held shots. I did the downsizing. I'm using Final Cut Pro for editing.
Bill

lamble

03-21-2008, 02:48 PM

lamble

03-25-2008, 09:10 PM

Muneio

03-26-2008, 07:56 PM

Here's a new one.
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/acfTFPV7uqA&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/acfTFPV7uqA&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

robsryder

03-27-2008, 01:26 PM

Here's a new one....

I got an error on your link. But I found the vid clip on YouTube at:
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/acfTFPV7uqA&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/acfTFPV7uqA&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Oh yeah, nice video. I like the camera position better on the left side of the helmet.

And who are the songs by on the soundtrack? ..... never mind! I wrote the question before getting to the end of the clip. :)

Muneio

03-27-2008, 04:52 PM

I got an error on your link. But I found the vid clip on YouTube at:
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/acfTFPV7uqA&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/acfTFPV7uqA&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Oh yeah, nice video. I like the camera position better on the left side of the helmet.

And who are the songs by on the soundtrack? ..... never mind! I wrote the question before getting to the end of the clip. :)

Hey robsmoto not sure what happened there but I fixed the link. Thanks for reposting.
Bill

Muneio

03-28-2008, 12:11 AM

Here's a re-edited version
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/94fCYnDabnM&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/94fCYnDabnM&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

naddy100

03-28-2008, 11:27 AM

Muneio,

Nice collection of shots. It works nicely to have the rider's POV going into the tunnel, together with seeing the bike come out of the tunnel.
The other tunnel sequence is cool too, where you've got the 'over the shoulder' shot and the entrance and exit to the tunnel reflect off of your helmet.

Plus, the video has good resolution.

Noel 'I'm no expert' Addy

Muneio

03-28-2008, 05:08 PM

lamble

04-02-2008, 02:18 PM

Munieo,

Music to the video, or video to the music?

Muneio

04-02-2008, 02:41 PM

Munieo,

Music to the video, or video to the music?
I edit video first then try to find music to fit.
Bill

lamble

04-02-2008, 07:38 PM

So how do you get video transitions to time with the rythmn of the music...tweak the edit?

Muneio

04-02-2008, 10:30 PM

So how do you get video transitions to time with the rythmn of the music...tweak the edit?

Yeah sometimes I will tweak the edits a bit to align. It's just moving stuff around stretching it out or shorting it up. I've also tweaked the music tracks but thats a lot more difficult at least it is for me.
What software are you using Lamble?

Bill

lamble

04-03-2008, 02:02 PM

Muneio

04-03-2008, 08:33 PM

Final Cut Pro...I just took a 2 month college course on the basics, and they are still more than I'll ever need.

I must admit, I film then edit to the music, as although sound tools would let me edit the score, I've not touched that software yet, so my variable is the video rather than the audio. I find it also constrains the length of the video, so hopefully I don't get over indulgent.

I did the same thing, taking a class at the local city college. The program is deep, the more you use it the better. I learn something new almost every time I edit. I find the hardest part with these motorcycle videos is making them interesting the helmet cam stuff gets boring really quick at least it does to me. I think people are what make things interesting. And I'm trying to figure out how to put interesting personalitys and the riding together cohesively. :scratch
Bill

naddy100

04-03-2008, 09:34 PM

Muneio

04-03-2008, 09:45 PM

I got Premier Pro CS3, and I haven't taken a class in it. The basics aren't too tough, but a couple of weeks ago a local studio guy told me I needed to use the mult-camera editing tool for what I was doing. It took me a little while to figure it out. When I did figure it out, it kept me entertained for a week. Very cool.

Noel

Hey Noel,
Have any examples of the multi-cam stuff? Would really like to see it. So your shooting with more then 1 cam. How are you syncing the timecode?
Bill

naddy100

04-04-2008, 09:37 AM

Hey Noel,
Have any examples of the multi-cam stuff? Would really like to see it. So your shooting with more then 1 cam. How are you syncing the timecode?
Bill

I'm out of town at the moment. You're right that the first part is getting the footage synched. In my case, my project involved people talking. I used the best sound track as the single sound source. The tough part was getting the lips synched to the sound. In my case I used the pictures as the method of synching the footage. When the videos are in exactly the right relative place, there's a synch function that locks the videos in relative place. I think footage of talking is particularly challenging to synch. CS3 can use the timecodes too as a method of synching. I used the pictures.

The other challenge is to get the color corrected across cameras. I'm not really a good color person, so that's not really my strength.

The other big decision I had (and have) is the transition from one camera to the other. I haven't got this down either. Slam cuts seem to work in movies and with other people. My slam cuts always seem jarring, so I seem to use short cross-desolves for most of my transitions.

I enjoy hearing what you guys are doing in a motorcycling footage context.

Noel

Muneio

04-04-2008, 10:42 AM

I'm out of town at the moment. You're right that the first part is getting the footage synched. In my case, my project involved people talking. I used the best sound track as the single sound source. The tough part was getting the lips synched to the sound. In my case I used the pictures as the method of synching the footage. When the videos are in exactly the right relative place, there's a synch function that locks the videos in relative place. I think footage of talking is particularly challenging to synch. CS3 can use the timecodes too as a method of synching. I used the pictures.

The other challenge is to get the color corrected across cameras. I'm not really a good color person, so that's not really my strength.

The other big decision I had (and have) is the transition from one camera to the other. I haven't got this down either. Slam cuts seem to work in movies and with other people. My slam cuts always seem jarring, so I seem to use short cross-desolves for most of my transitions.

I enjoy hearing what you guys are doing in a motorcycling footage context.

Noel
Are your two cameras different makes or models? For jump cuts you might try shooting some cutaways to insert between clips? Also helps if image size and angle change at cut or cut on the action where the movement begins in one shot and ends in the next. Just some ideas straight from the text book. I'm still learning all this myself.
Bill

naddy100

04-04-2008, 11:34 AM

Are your two cameras different makes or models
The difference in cameras caused part of the difference in color and white balance.
Noel

mundobravo

04-04-2008, 06:00 PM

Does video fit in this forum? Is there a general willingness to critique videos?
Noel
check out my first moto video with the new cam ..
"Alamogordo , the wrong way around "..... http://www.vimeo.com/857635

Muneio

04-04-2008, 09:42 PM

check out my first moto video with the new cam ..
"Alamogordo , the wrong way around "..... http://www.vimeo.com/857635

I like it. The narration really helps tell the story. and the cutaways / editing also help keep it moving along. Nice work!

mundobravo

04-05-2008, 07:47 AM

I like it. The narration really helps tell the story. and the cutaways / editing also help keep it moving along. Nice work!

Thanks Muneio for the kind words ...

lamble

04-05-2008, 02:40 PM

I did the same thing, taking a class at the local city college. The program is deep, the more you use it the better. I learn something new almost every time I edit. I find the hardest part with these motorcycle videos is making them interesting the helmet cam stuff gets boring really quick at least it does to me. I think people are what make things interesting. And I'm trying to figure out how to put interesting personalitys and the riding together cohesively. :scratch
Bill

I came to the same conclusion about endless bits of tarmac, but then we go all the way back to the fundamental, are we filming a ride, or riding for a film?

lamble

04-05-2008, 03:10 PM

check out my first moto video with the new cam ..
"Alamogordo , the wrong way around "..... http://www.vimeo.com/857635

I should point out that any comparison between riding 275 miles down highways in the USA and riding around the world are a little misplaced...irrespective of it you were on your own or not. It just seemed a little bitchy.
I like that there's plenty of cutting and dissolved "knocked back" images. In my opinion, if you'd adopted that technique for your appearances rather than the hard edge framing, it would have been more cohesive.

But I was anti this film from the moment Golden Earing started to play. I've detested that song for years. The Dutch should never be allowed to play rock.

Some nice techniques though.

Muneio

04-05-2008, 04:34 PM

I should point out that any comparison between riding 275 miles down highways in the USA and riding around the world are a little misplaced...irrespective of it you were on your own or not. It just seemed a little bitchy.

LOL, yeah I have to agree that is not a fair comparison :stick and I think it was 217 miles? anyway back to the video and technique. Like you said are we filming a ride or riding to film? if the later I personally would use whatever it takes to tell my story which may or may not include a camera crew, support vehicle etc. assuming I had a budget of more then $5. which is about what I got! it's all about the story and it's advancement. I'm realizing as I write this I'm much more interested in riding to film than filming a ride, hmmm.:scratch
Cheers
Bill

lamble

04-06-2008, 11:50 AM

Muneio

04-06-2008, 12:41 PM

I don't expect anyone to have to watch what I throw together: it's a reminder to me of highlights of a trip. That's why I chose the music I did for the Death Valley...it captured my impressions at the time and still rekindles those impressions and emotions when I re watch it. Perhaps others can get a sense of what I was experiencing, but that's not the aim. I'm building a box of memories and the better I interpret those moments in film, the clearer those memories remain.
The Hainan film, same thing. The monkeys were different, that was a collge piece, hence the special effects indulgencies, I had to use acertain amount to get points. By the way I got 100%.

Until I start to script and storyboard before I set off, I'll always be filming a ride, but getting off and filming is just as important.
Shoot too much, edit until there's nothing else you can cut, then cut some more.

I'll be starting a video production class next Friday, so that may change my outlook. I'm still working on a three camera bike rig with wireless activation and synching, but it may be some time off.
Sounds good. I understand the memories thing. I guess I'm looking at it as another creative outlet. Obviously each has it's place. And there is no reason they can't work together in some fashion I would think? Anyway everybody has a different reason for riding ,filming etc. thats what makes people so interesting.
So how are you doing the wireless triggers for the cams?
Are your mounting 3 camcorders or 3 bullet/helmetcams.
There's a guy here that I ride with occasionally that has something like 5 bullet cams hooked up on his bike with a switch box to select ea individually. Pretty interesting here's some of his video (http://www.youtube.com/user/jdog109socal)
So where are all the other videographers on this forum anyway?

mundobravo

04-07-2008, 07:26 AM

I should point out that any comparison between riding 275 miles down highways in the USA and riding around the world are a little misplaced...irrespective of it you were on your own or not. It just seemed a little bitchy.
I like that there's plenty of cutting and dissolved "knocked back" images. In my opinion, if you'd adopted that technique for your appearances rather than the hard edge framing, it would have been more cohesive.

But I was anti this film from the moment Golden Earing started to play. I've detested that song for years. The Dutch should never be allowed to play rock.

Some nice techniques though.
Hey "lamble" .. your inability to understand satire is one of the reasons you brits lost the empire ...lol .. but I agree about the " hard edge framing" of myself. I'll add a soft frame around them , good eye, thanks for the input. As you see in the video , the roads out in New Mexico are wide open . I call them " triple digit highways" We love our radar ..lol .. Check out my newest post "Adventures In The Third Lane" , you might like it better.

mundobravo

04-07-2008, 07:52 AM

So where are all the other videographers on this forum anyway?

Here's another offering from the Mind of Mundo. Two guys cover 8,000 miles to the Central American BMW rally in El Salvador. New Mexico to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize and back through Mexico. My girlfriend joins us in Guatemala as we trace the Ruta Maya and make our way to a grass shack on the beach in Tulum.
http://www.vimeo.com/868687
This was made it two parts, the first a quicky to show friends when we returned and the last half was my first project when I moved from "Premiere" to "Final Cut". I've been following the talk about "riding to film" or "filming a ride" While my first post was " rideing to film", this is "filmimg a ride". I'm still looking to melt them togerher. To that end is why I'm trying to add some moto cam stuff to the videos. Thanks for any comments , here or on the video site. Ride on , mundo

"Sandinista Siempre"
a film from Mundo Bravo
"Best Documentary"
Silver City Film Festival
" Official Selection"
Northern New Mexico Film Festival
"Official Selection & People's Choice Award"
Taos Shortz Film Festival
"Official Selection"
White Sands Film Festival

Muneio

04-07-2008, 11:17 AM

Hey now there's 3 of us!
Awesome adventure Mundo. Some spectacular footage. Audio was a little spotty at times maybe a lavelier or shotgun mic for some of the commentary /interviews? kind of a pain in those situations but I think audio is super important. Map scenes seemed to fast and to small ie. hard to get an idea of where you were. Maybe a Indiana Jones type map you know the animated line across the map thing and/or wide shot to close up? Wasn't clear who the guy in the car talking on the radio was I assume the police or taxi driver? what was his relationship to the story? Short interview with bicycle rider going to Tierra Del Fuego might have been cool? How about audio of your GF playing violin? Nice wildlife montage and liked the ending photo/video montage, it worked really well although audio/music seemed a little low to me? Nice job, thanks for sharing!
You wanted constructive criticism right?:beer
Cheers
Bill
PS is that the same Jack Frost that makes the GPS mount?

mundobravo

04-07-2008, 04:19 PM

here's some of the back story. After stopping at a historical marker just this side of the Mexico border I left my Sony 900 ( a sweet little 3 ccd) on the side of the road . Ya, it's true !! I walked into a Wall Mart in Mazetlan and got the cheapest little JVC I could get. The whole video was shot with that. None of the mic's I had with me worked with this little camera. Just had to go on and work with what I had. As I said this was "shooting a ride" so ya, the map shots were kind of quick and unreadable but no "do over's " lol .. this was just my "vacation video" that I made 3 years ago so I didn't tune it up to much. The 2nd half I did work as well as I could at the time as I was learning FCP. And ya Bill , I enjoyed reading your constructive criticism , all your points were well taken .. but no it's a different Jack Frost. I have few other videos on VIEMO .. different adventures .. check them out .. all just vacation types. My "real" documentary is still playing in some film festivals so I haven't put it on the web as yet. It was also shot , "in the field" and recounts the Sandinista revolution against Somosa and the election (again) of Daniel Ortega and the FSLN in 2007. Now for that one I did have my gear ..lol .. I'm out of Santa Fe , New Mexico and make event videos for a living which is eazy. People love to see themselves on video! Making adventure films for the general public is one of the directions I'd like to go. Hope we can keep kicking ideas. ride on, ed

lamble

04-07-2008, 04:23 PM

Hey "lamble" .. your inability to understand satire is one of the reasons you brits lost the empire ...lol .. .

That'll be it then, it was my satire deficit that cost us an empire and resulted in a Commonwealth, but I still manage to giggle every time I see "United" States of America, so perhaps living here now, is helping speed my recovery! If only I could get to grips with the multi layered and textured wit you guys have.

(That'll be sarcasm then...soon be up to that satire goal).

Still overlooking the differences between your reality and mine, I do like the qualities in the new movie. I agree the maps are passed over quickly, I would also have liked that once you established the band playing in the square, that you'd not cut back to them so often, giving more chance to use their music as the sound track for more images of the area and close ups on the people, this is especially true of shots you went back to where the back of someone's head obscured the shot. For me, cut back when the close up of the hands on the drum play. Same sort of thing with the xylophone, only that's not so disrupting.

Audio levels were a bit in and out, the bike running needing to be knocked back, rather than the voice made even louder, I watched the audio redline a couple of times.
So just tidying up really, otherwise it's a good example of setting out to make a film of a ride.

Well done.

mundobravo

04-07-2008, 04:37 PM

thanks for the input .. all good points .. !!! ride on ,ed

mundobravo

04-07-2008, 04:38 PM

just went back and looked at some of your stuff ... really great shots from the bike !!! I got to check into your cam ..

Muneio

04-07-2008, 06:02 PM

just went back and looked at some of your stuff ... really great shots from the bike !!! I got to check into your cam ..

Thanks Ed here's a link to the helmet cam I've got (http://www.jonescam.tv/). Mostly happy with it. I've been trying to figure out a way to mount my small camera directly to the bike but haven't been successful eliminating vibrations. As well there's not a lot of options for mounting on a 1150rt at least not that I've come up with. Any thoughts?
Bill

lamble

04-07-2008, 09:26 PM

Thanks Ed here's a link to the helmet cam I've got (http://www.jonescam.tv/). Mostly happy with it. I've been trying to figure out a way to mount my small camera directly to the bike but haven't been successful eliminating vibrations. As well there's not a lot of options for mounting on a 1150rt at least not that I've come up with. Any thoughts?
Bill

new@markertek.com sell a flexible (heavy duty) camera mounting bar with 360 rotation. I then fitted a quick release unit. With rubber mounting, the vibration was removed to that which I'd call, normal bike vibes.

About $75.

Muneio

04-07-2008, 10:08 PM

new@markertek.com sell a flexible (heavy duty) camera mounting bar with 360 rotation. I then fitted a quick release unit. With rubber mounting, the vibration was removed to that which I'd call, normal bike vibes.

About $75.
Hi Lamble,
That link is an email address? went to site but couldn't find it, any more info? What kind of camera do you mount to it? Any pics?
Thanks Bill
Ok found it I think is this it (http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=DELV%2DMVCM%2D1&off=75&sort=prod&skuonly=0&search=camera+mount&pagesize=20)? where did you mount to?

lamble

04-07-2008, 10:34 PM

Hi Lamble,
That link is an email address? went to site but couldn't find it, any more info? What kind of camera do you mount to it? Any pics?
Thanks Bill
Ok found it I think is this it (http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=DELV%2DMVCM%2D1&off=75&sort=prod&skuonly=0&search=camera+mount&pagesize=20)? where did you mount to?

That's the one. I've tried a hero 3 on it, also a stills camera and my Sony GR. It's the interchangability that appeals. Also, I fixed mine to the engine crashbar, but could go anywhere as the fixing clamps to any size tube. Then a couple of $10 quick releases from Kits Camera.

mundobravo

04-08-2008, 08:27 AM

That's the one. I've tried a hero 3 on it, also a stills camera and my Sony GR. It's the interchangability that appeals. Also, I fixed mine to the engine crashbar, but could go anywhere as the fixing clamps to any size tube. Then a couple of $10 quick releases from Kits Camera.
I've picked up one of these and I've yet to find a good place to mount it on my 96 1100rt. The tali rack did not get it high enought for a forward shot or out far enough if I went for a side shot. But it did mount rock solid but the mounting bolts or very very small. This RT has a lot of fairing , not very mount friendly. Mounting to the crash bars sounds perfect, wish I had some .
http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=DELV%2DMVCM%2D1&off=36&sort=prod&skuonly=0&search=support+camera&pagesize=20

lamble

04-08-2008, 03:31 PM

I've picked up one of these and I've yet to find a good place to mount it on my 96 1100rt. The tali rack did not get it high enought for a forward shot or out far enough if I went for a side shot. But it did mount rock solid but the mounting bolts or very very small. This RT has a lot of fairing , not very mount friendly. Mounting to the crash bars sounds perfect, wish I had some .
http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=DELV%2DMVCM%2D1&off=36&sort=prod&skuonly=0&search=support+camera&pagesize=20

Nothing around the pillion footpegs to hang it off?

robsryder

04-08-2008, 03:34 PM

lamble

04-08-2008, 07:41 PM

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/276856694_hffiq-S.jpg

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/276856723_29sBo-M.jpg

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/276856761_jieGe-M.jpg

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/276856747_LXFhS-M.jpg

That's the kit I've got so far. I have the hero 3 with two housings. One housing has the quick release attachment, the other has sticky pads and can be placed anywhere. I just swap the camera around to suit.

The rear lipstick camera is okay but may get replaced.

I've only had this together for a week or two, so don't have any credible footage from all three sources together. The artist pallete was just the lipstick camera. The China was the Hoyt helmet camera and SonyDV.
The Hero 3 I used two weeks ago on a ride to MT St Helen. The footage quality was okay, but the material I shot wasn't worth editing into anything.

Final Cut Pro, helps turn bad footage into better technically, but if it's crap in then it's crap out from a story aspect and Mt St Helen ride footage was a crap story.

mundobravo

04-08-2008, 09:25 PM

On the right side of the screen there's a button, it says "Email-Embed." After you push it you then have to click the Embedded HTML link to get the window with the code to open.

I don't want to jack your video, so I'll let you do the honors.
<object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="400" height="300" data="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=857635&server=www.vimeo.com& fullscreen=1&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portr ait=0&color="> <param name="quality" value="best" /> <param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /> <param name="scale" value="showAll" /> <param name="movie" value="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=857635&server=www.vimeo.com& fullscreen=1&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portr ait=0&color=" /></object><br /><a href="http://www.vimeo.com/857635/l:embed_857635">Alamogordo, the wrong way around</a> from <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/user383158/l:embed_857635">Mundo Bravo</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com/l:embed_857635">Vimeo</a>.

mundobravo

04-08-2008, 09:27 PM

it works ... you all are in for some strange now ..lol ..

robsryder

04-09-2008, 07:58 AM

That's the kit I've got so far...

Thanks for the pix & info.

Another source of mounts are the Panavise units. A company called CCTV Products seems to have pretty good prices.
http://cctvproducts.stores.yahoo.net/panccmoun.html

The flex-mount looks as though it could be adapted for motorcycle use is $28. See:
http://cctvproducts.stores.yahoo.net/pan817serfle.html

A 480 LOR bullet camera is nice and light for use in motorcycle videos. A relatively inexpensive ($139) example is:
http://www.scdlink.com/Details.cfm?ProdID=1226&category=13&cf=fr
Some of these bullet cameras can have interchangeable lenses. The lenses seem to be fairly inexpensive (under $20). The standard lens appears to have a focal length of 3.6mm, which seems to be around a 28 to 35mm focal length equivalent for the 35mm film cameras of yore (50 mm focal length being close to "normal" magnification.) Thus the bullet cameras can accept smaller and longer focal lengths (until the lens is too long to fit under the cap which screws over the lens). I have used 4.8 mm lenses with pretty good success.

An alternative to the bullet camera is the mini camera. An example of a 470 LOR unit is shown here:
http://www.scdlink.com/Details.cfm?ProdID=1262&category=13
These cameras can accept lenses of longer focal lengths. I would, however only use these cameras for fairly short video sequences unless they were behind a windshield or otherwise protected by some type of covering. A big ol' junebug smashing into the lens / camera would decrease the quality of subsequent videos.

I would suggest being wary of the really cheap cameras advertised on e-bay as the color saturation and image quality seems pretty poor. Some of the infrared cameras are intended in low-light applications and yield mostly black & white or strange color images.

I've recorded to miniDV camcorders (using the AV input connector) with pretty good success, but I've also had vibration and dust interfer with the camera's operation. Best results were with the camcorder in a "fanny pack" or tank bag. I've also heard that enclosure of the miniDV unit in a plastic bag can help with the dust problem.

Lately I've been looking at solid-state recording units. Specs that I like are 640x480 (or 720x480) 30 FPS recorded to a SD card. There are a lot of these devices about. I've seen them on e-bay for prices ranging from $75 to more than $150. The vendors don't give consistent specs. Be certain to get a unit that is capable of taking TV (or AV) input. One such device is the SVP 8600 - see:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SVP-HDDV-8600-15-in-1-Digital-Camcorder-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ220219928805QQihZ012QQcategoryZ485 14QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

I have also seen speciality units for use by law enforcement, but the prices are much higher and often have a time stamp on the video. I don't think that those type units are ideal for motorcycle use. For example:
http://www.scdlink.com/Details.cfm?ProdID=2295&category=16

If one is looking to make videos for posting to the internet (e.g., YouTube or GoogleVideo) then a recorded resolution of 640x480 is likely overkill. Most of those videos seem to be presented at 320x240 resolution at a frame rate of 10 to 30 FPS. There are less expensive options if one doesn't mind the lower resolution. One device that can do the 320x240 resolution is here:
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Mustek-PVR-A1-Digital-Multimedia-Device/2673121/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10869694-000-000

Muneio

04-09-2008, 11:13 AM

Hmmm all those mounts look like they would be fine for small to mini cameras. I would love to find a mount for a prosumer camcorder. I haven't even been able to find a professional rig that I couldn't afford anyway, it must exist? And yeah same issue here Ed not to many mounting options on the RT :dunno
Bill

mundobravo

04-09-2008, 05:17 PM

Bill , I was going to try removing the small black fairing peice where the shock pre=set is and putting the arm there but even that is behind me but it could be a good angle anyway.

SoFloPro

04-09-2008, 07:10 PM

robsryder

04-09-2008, 08:48 PM

... not to many mounting options on the RT ...

Owners of bikes with lots of fairing and a lack of other hard mounting points might wish to consider a mounting option such as offered by the Sticky Pod folks - see:

http://www.stickypod.com/motorcycle_camera_mount.html

http://www.stickypod.com/

naddy100

04-09-2008, 10:14 PM

This is a forum about videos right...?

just some fun...

Pretty good!
Noel

Muneio

04-09-2008, 10:46 PM

Owners of bikes with lots of fairing and a lack of other hard mounting points might wish to consider a mounting option such as offered by the Sticky Pod folks - see:

http://www.stickypod.com/motorcycle_camera_mount.html

http://www.stickypod.com/
Yep have looked at those . Definite option robsmoto.
Thanks

Muneio

04-09-2008, 10:48 PM

Cool SoFloPro,
Thanks for sharing.
How did you shoot it from a car following?
Bill

Muneio

04-09-2008, 10:55 PM

Bill , I was going to try removing the small black fairing peice where the shock pre=set is and putting the arm there but even that is behind me but it could be a good angle anyway.
Yeah might be interesting, worth trying anyway. One of those sticky pods robsmoto was referring to would probably stick to the front fairing on either side, hmmm just not sure about the vibration issue. Seems like the small helmet cams are not as affected by vibration as the camcorder itself. Have to test that theory.
Bill

mundobravo

04-10-2008, 08:45 AM

This is a forum about videos right...?
just some fun...
that was FUN .. !!

robsryder

04-10-2008, 11:18 AM

More options, at a higher cost, for vacuum mounting cameras are here:
http://www.vacuummounts.com/prodpics.php

Muneio

04-10-2008, 11:48 AM

More options, at a higher cost, for vacuum mounting cameras are here:
http://www.vacuummounts.com/prodpics.php
Those look pretty nice. Beef up the camera mount and I think that might work for me.
Thanks Robsmoto
Bill

SoFloPro

04-10-2008, 05:49 PM

This is a forum about videos right...?

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tGB2Nm-0TWY&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tGB2Nm-0TWY&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

just some fun...

i shot this video on a sony v1u from a moving car (1990 325ic) it was a bit breezy as usual in South Florida, and if anyone noticed the right front turn signal is dangling... we later fixed that, but the video was shot. My buddy was on his f800st on the way to 441cycle, we left from coconut grove. Edited on final cut pro... thanks

mundobravo

04-10-2008, 08:47 PM

Those look pretty nice. Beef up the camera mount and I think that might work for me.
Thanks Robsmoto
Bill

man this looks really good !! and at 50 bucks ! whos going to be the first to get one are report back ??

Muneio

04-10-2008, 10:59 PM

man this looks really good !! and at 50 bucks ! whos going to be the first to get one are report back ??

I'm unemployed right now so I elect you to be the first Ed.:thumb

Cheers Bill

lamble

05-21-2008, 01:54 PM

No videos for a while :violin

Anyone out there filming?

Here's a question, anyone out there composing music that's copyright free, or have sources to freeby music tracks?

Muneio

05-21-2008, 06:08 PM

Hey Lamble
Try here for royalty free music
http://www.freeplaymusic.com/index.php
Haven't shot any video lately myself.

Cheers Bill

lamble

05-21-2008, 07:49 PM

Thanks for the link Bill.

mundobravo

11-22-2008, 08:44 PM

Hey Lamble ... long time no talk ... here's my latest ride video ..
http://vimeo.com/2318099

mundobravo

11-22-2008, 08:46 PM

how I remember //
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lamble

12-02-2008, 07:06 PM

Mundo,

Well that's raised the game quite a way.

mundobravo

12-05-2008, 08:00 AM

Thanks, I got to take that " step back" on this one because it wasn't about me but about Dave . Did you shoot much video on your ride south ? Not sure if you saw much of this but here's my first moto video shot with a camera I got in a mexican wall-mart ...
http://www.vimeo.com/868687

lamble

12-07-2008, 04:26 PM

tommcgee

12-07-2008, 06:14 PM

Nice video! I've been by the salt flats twice. It was flooded the first time and covered by snow the second time -- still impressive though!

mundobravo

12-08-2008, 07:21 AM

I took 5 cameras with me but only used 2. The footage is on external hard drives which are locked in the cases on the bike and the bike hasn't arrived back yet. Even when it does, it's getting shipped directly to the UK, so another 45 days before I can look at editing anything.

I posted unedited clips on the blog, which you can get to via www.unchainedworld.com

Cheers.

Lamble ... you've got a wild heartfelt story to tell my friend ( I've been following your blog a bit) hope the footage turns out good. I don't remember any bike cam stuff on the blog. Did you shoot much ? I'm really ready to up grade . Thoughts ?

mundobravo

12-08-2008, 07:23 AM

Nice video! I've been by the salt flats twice. It was flooded the first time and covered by snow the second time -- still impressive though!

thanks for the kind words Tom ... I think the "salt" is only like 18' thick. The BLM doesn't allow camping on it , to bad

lamble

12-08-2008, 08:37 AM

Lamble ... you've got a wild heartfelt story to tell my friend ( I've been following your blog a bit) hope the footage turns out good. I don't remember any bike cam stuff on the blog. Did you shoot much ? I'm really ready to up grade . Thoughts ?

The bike cam material?
Well unlike the video shot using the sony HD which I could get straight onto the mac with usb, the bike cam was stored on SD card. That was put on to a wolverine external HD, because the SD card reader cable broke very early on in the trip and I couldn't import.

So there is some video backed up, but again, it's still on the bike and I've not seen my bike since 13th Nov.

Upgrade from what?

mundobravo

12-08-2008, 10:05 AM

the cam I used for "Dave goes as fast as he can" was from Oregon Scientific a ATC2000, And it's died already after a few trips. The controls were a bitch on the bike and the quality sucked. I'm looking at something I can wire into my camera. I use a Sony 3 ccd 900 that rides in my tank bag anyway. I'd like to wire a camera to that and use the LANC to turn it on and off.

lamble

12-08-2008, 05:16 PM

robsryder

12-08-2008, 06:14 PM

Very nice job of editing the video. What software are you using? And how long would you estimate that you spent editing the various video clip to produce the final video? It was pretty entertaining.

mundobravo

12-08-2008, 06:46 PM

Glad you liked it Rob .. I used FCP on a MAC for the editing ... LOTs of hours ... I had maybe 10-12 hours on a rough cut and then Dave and I spend one night a week ,3 hours , for a month and I did another 5 hours on my own cleaning up. So what's that , 30 + hours or so. I'm still not happy with the audio mix but it seems thats a bit out of my skill level ..lol
.. thanks again ... Happy to see this getting some "life" on a BMW site ... I ride a 96 Rt with 112,000 on it , still running strong.

lamble

12-17-2008, 07:04 PM

mundobravo

12-18-2008, 07:29 AM

lamble ... nice clip ... great for a blog but for a film I'd reather see TONY doing his thing .. what every that was ..lol ..

lamble

12-18-2008, 09:00 AM

lamble ... nice clip ... great for a blog but for a film I'd reather see TONY doing his thing .. what every that was ..lol ..

Unfortunately his thing on the day I was there was walking around dressed like a clown, then talking to his volunteer group. Trust me, this was the best he did.

There's more footage from the area to be cut into this, but I'll keep his v/o: so when he talks about the locals for instance, there will be shots of the indigenous people going about their daily lives.

As I say, rough cut, edited during a delayed flight in Chicago, but I'd not posted anything for so long.

mundobravo

12-18-2008, 11:07 AM

lamble

12-18-2008, 11:28 AM

all comments are in the spirit of making great video of our rides .. while not a clown I do travel with a pocket full of balloons .. I can wipp out a balloons hat for a kid in 30 sec. ... great ice breaker and if you do something nice for a child ... your in the family like a uncle ..
peace out, mundo

Before I left I asked a magician to teach me a trick I could use. The three cups from the 3 cups theme were used for the disappearing sponge ball trick. Never got to use it though.
Your comments were taken in a constructive light by-the-way. I agree fully.

The footage posted was popped up for blogging. I don't have enough memory to hold all the footage I'll need for cut-aways, etc, until my edit suite arrives with the bike and other stuff, from Seattle next year, around February, so I'm stuck with my laptop's capacity, which ain't great.

robsryder

03-26-2009, 03:55 PM

A while back (mid 90s) I bought a VHS video called RedLine America. I liked and recalled reading (in ON?) that a new video was being made by the same guy. The new video was going to include some parts with an airhead.

Yesterday I got the new Rider magazine and there was a review of the new DVD called "RedLine America". So I placed my order. The trailer is on YouTube ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpBQ3ELgwf0

website is here -
http://www.redlineamerica.com/

mundobravo

03-27-2009, 07:55 AM

thanks for bringing this forward !!!

mundobravo

04-11-2009, 10:01 AM

This is a " concept" trailer for the up coming video "DRIVEN". A solo Pan American Moto journey starting May 15th from Santa Fe , New Mexico to the Arctic Circle in Alaska , then down to the Darien Gap in Panama and back. No camera crew, no support, no sponsors, When the outcome is uncertain , the adventure begins. I'm working on a new spin to motorcycle videos, part art film , part travel log, part political commentary, part adventure flick. Feed me feed back please !
http://vimeo.com/4104046

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naddy100

04-11-2009, 01:25 PM

The video looks like it's going to be good!

I haven't even gotten my helmet camera out of its case in a year, while you've been hard at work traveling and getting footage.

Noel

spinalcracker

08-02-2009, 06:39 PM

I was just about to order the Hero Wide camera but found info on the VIO POV.

I have a question that hopefully somebody can answer.

Do you have actual experience with these cameras ?

Which will give me the best video , the Hero , the VIO or a Canon ( or other brand, consumer level) HD camcorder in a protective housing.

Thanks for any help you can provide .

marchyman

08-02-2009, 07:24 PM

I only have experience with one camera, the relatively new ContourHD (http://vholdr.com/contourhd/helmetcam?q=contourhd/overview). My video skills (and video editing skills) are beginning novice. I'm still at the point where I don't know what I don't know. :D

Example output from the ContourHD can be seen at http://www.snafu.org/smbc/faq.html (contains an embedded link to video on youtube). Editing, such that there is, was done in Final Cut Express (I'm a Mac user).

lamble

08-03-2009, 11:44 AM

Used a Hero and gave it away. Have a VIO POV. The fact that you have a screen so you can see what you are going to be shooting on a screen is invaluable. The wireless controller is a complete bonus, as you aren't fiddling with buttons wondering if you've pressed them in the right order, or not, then getting back fro a ride to find out it was 'or not'.
Take a look at the video UK GSers in the Lakes, posted in ride report. All rear camera shots are from the VOP OIV. 110 degree capture angle is nice too. Just bought new mounting units and it's also now able to take up to 8Gb SD cards. Waterproof. Run a helmet mic from the unit for commentary. If I still had a hero I'd only use it fixed in a place where I didn't care if it got broken or not, for perhaps a few extreme shots. Hero, operationally horrid in comparison to the VIO POV.

mundobravo

11-23-2009, 11:33 PM

check out this video of my solo trip this past spring. Rode my 1996 R 1100RT .. it's 24min , so crack a beer and enjoy !!
http://www.vimeo.com/7780879
comments welcome, mundo

mundobravo

11-26-2009, 05:12 PM

what , no " video heads" hang out here any more ? where is Lamble when you need him ? :D

Munchy

12-09-2009, 11:17 AM

what , no " video heads" hang out here any more ? where is Lamble when you need him ? :D

I'm here MB !! And sing praises again for your Arctic Circle video. One of the best jobs I've seen of incorporating a story into a video of a ride, not just turning on the camera and letting it run. Yours is a masterpiece.

As far as the VIO setup, which is really a bullet cam with a separate Digital Video Recorder (with a very, very useful small screen) I think that is one of the best setups out there. But it is expensive. The others are just toys, really, though one could get some worthy clips and spend the time, as you did, to craft a really nice movie.

Maybe the toys will get better and the VIO come down in price. We can hope.

Happy Holidays !!

mundobravo

12-09-2009, 12:02 PM

Maybe the toys will get better and the VIO come down in price. We can hope.

Happy Holidays !!
hey Munchy ! thanks for the good words ... means allot coming from someone who understands the trials of self shot video .. I'm now looking into a VholdR Contour , heard any thing about them ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/VholdR-Contour-HD-1080p-Helmet-Cam-Helmet-Camcorder_W0QQitemZ120500753481QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Camcorders_Professional_Video_Cameras?hash=item1c0 e679449#ht_1427wt_1167

Munchy

12-09-2009, 12:23 PM

MundoBravo: Lotsa folks seem to like them alot. The 1080p HD versions are just coming out. Marchyman (here and ADVrider) has posted some video with his. They seem to do pretty well going in and out of light/ dark, don't seem to exhibit the CMOS "jello" effect from the rolling shutter (which makes my GoPro Hero 5MP kind of a joke). I think they would be the handiest of the helmet cams, and they recently announced a hard shell case for waterproofing the unit to allow underwater shooting I suppose. www.helmetcameracentral.com

I think I would need a new computer if I bought an HD version. I think the computer requirements for HD footage is pretty high, both in terms of CPU power and the storage required. YMMV.

I just bought myself an Apple iPod Nano 5G with the video camera. I'm waiting for delivery of an arm band gizmo that I'm gonna try to use to install the iPod on my helmet. The 16gig version is only $179, and supposedly will go 5 hours of shooting video on a charge. Shoots wide, but without distortion and at about 2 gigs per hour of shooting, should be able to handle a fairly long ride. Of course, then ya gotta download, as it does not use SD cards. But, hey, its an iPod. Now with FM radio, voice memos, and all yer music. We'll see how my experiment turns out. :scratch