Photo Assignment: Weekend 12/8/07

[SNC1923]

As has become our established pattern, we humbly offer these simple rules:


Photos must be shot this weekend: Fri, Sat, or Sun.
You must provide the EXIF information if asked (we'll help you, if you'd like to know how to get it).
No photoshop alteration (we're looking to improve your skills with your camera, not software).
Your photograph must adhere to the theme, which will be described below.
Post only one photo per post, so that commentary can be easily provided for that photo. You may post more than one photo, but try to keep it to a handful.
Title your photo so it can be referred to later.
Post your photos in this thread only. Do not start a thread in reply to this assignment. Please post your photos no later than next Wednesday.
And, the most important rule: have fun! We're looking to spread the joy that many of us derive from taking pictures, particularly ones that tell a story of some kind.


This week's theme: "Pattern"

This week you are invited to take a picture of a pattern. Could this be a pattern of behavior? A tartan or a plaid? A system of repeating elements? What does "pattern" mean to you? Show us in a picture.

Once again, I encourage you to think about composition and see your viewfinder as a finished print. What will you include within--and exclude from--it's borders and why?

Now get out there and show us your pattern.

[PAULBACH]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/nautilus.jpg
This should be a great opportunity to find those Fibonacci patterns (http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html)!

This is not a photo but an illustration of a Fibonacci pattern. The Fibonacci series and patterns surround us yet we rarely see them.

[rocketman]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/nautilus.jpg
This should be a great opportunity to find those Fibonacci patterns (http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html)!

This is not a photo but an illustration of a Fibonacci pattern. The Fibonacci series and patterns surround us yet we rarely see them.

Mmmmm, seafood! Yum Yum...
here's another pattern that's interesting... one that was recently used as a model to help postulate the existance of new particles and in the search for the GUT (Grand Unified Theroy)

the below was taken from this site http://aimath.org/E8/mcmullen.html which includes links to some other visualizations of the E8 model and high res images.

Visualizing the E8 root system
The E8 root system consists of 240 vectors in an eight-dimensional space. See what is E8? Those vectors are the vertices (corners) of an eight-dimensional object called the Gosset polytope 421. In the 1960s, Peter McMullen drew (by hand) a 2-dimensional representation of the Gosset polytope 421. The image shown below was computer-generated by John Stembridge, based on McMullen's drawing.
The lines in the picture connect adjacent vertices in the polytope, with colors chosen according to the length of the 2-dimensional projection. Since the picture is a 2-dimensional projection of an 8-dimensional object, it captures only some of the symmetries of the Gossett polytope.
We thank John H. Conway, mathematics professor at Princeton University, for pointing out to us the connection between E8 and the Gosset polytope 421.
The Lie algebra E8 is 248-dimensional: the 8-dimensional space depicted here, plus one dimension for each of the 240 root vectors.
Picture also available as a high resolution EPS file or PDF file.
A scan of a copy of Peter McMullen's drawing available as a 300 dpi PDF (2 Meg). Please contact AIM if you know the location of McMullen's original drawing of the Gosset polytope 421.
More information about E8 and the Gossett polytope, and a 3-dimensional Zome model, can be found on David Richter's website.

http://aimath.org/E8/images/e8plane2a.jpg

below is a really cool video showing the the pattern in 3-D,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHw9zcCvRQ

as it is rotated it forms numerous different sub-patterns all contained within the single larger structure that are dependant on the view point into the structure. Just too cool, the study of particle physics is a great way to “blow your mind”! :hungover

Sure beats anything I “might” :dunno have partaken of some few years ago!:dance

RM


RM

[franze]

Visualizing the E8 root system
The E8 root system consists of 240 vectors in an eight-dimensional space. See what is E8? Those vectors are the vertices (corners) of an eight-dimensional object called the Gosset polytope 421. In the 1960s, Peter McMullen drew (by hand) a 2-dimensional representation of the Gosset polytope 421. The image shown below was computer-generated by John Stembridge, based on McMullen's drawing.
The lines in the picture connect adjacent vertices in the polytope, with colors chosen according to the length of the 2-dimensional projection. Since the picture is a 2-dimensional projection of an 8-dimensional object, it captures only some of the symmetries of the Gossett polytope.
We thank John H. Conway, mathematics professor at Princeton University, for pointing out to us the connection between E8 and the Gosset polytope 421.
The Lie algebra E8 is 248-dimensional: the 8-dimensional space depicted here, plus one dimension for each of the 240 root vectors.
Picture also available as a high resolution EPS file or PDF file.
A scan of a copy of Peter McMullen's drawing available as a 300 dpi PDF (2 Meg). Please contact AIM if you know the location of McMullen's original drawing of the Gosset polytope 421.
More information about E8 and the Gossett polytope, and a 3-dimensional Zome model, can be found on David Richter's website.

C'mon, everybody knows this................LOL but how about this factoid from Nat'l Geographic

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229613640-L.jpg

OK, take a deep breath through pursed lips. Hold it in, now read about it.......

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229613643-M.jpg

Ok, exhale...........that's some heavy ^*&%$*

So, next time you do something bonehead just comment, " yeah, musta took a neutrino in the hypothalmus........ and shrug it off.

[rocketman]

C'mon, everybody knows this................LOL but how about this factoid from Nat'l Geographic

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229613640-L.jpg

OK, take a deep breath through pursed lips. Hold it in, now read about it.......

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229613643-M.jpg

Ok, exhale...........that's some heavy ^*&%$*

So, next time you do something bonehead just comment, " yeah, musta took a neutrino in the hypothalmus........ and shrug it off.
Hmm, don't look now but that neutrino that just whizzed through your head has already passed completely thru the earth's cure and is even now on the far side of the sun!:)
(which is almost as fast as I used to ride my R60 back in the day!):laugh

RM

Neutrinos, quarks and leptons are my friends and help keep my world together! (Along with Gravitons and Gluons):dance

[SNC1923]

Well I can see I struck a chord. . . . Why do I worry so needlessly about these themes each time I post them? I knew I could count on you guys.

[rocketman]

So, next time you do something bonehead just comment, " yeah, musta took a neutrino in the hypothalmus........ and shrug it off.


Hmmmm and lets not forget that old ditty

A particle thru the cranium
Can cause you much con-strainimum
Which is why I never,
EVER, Play
With pieces of Uranium!

RM

(Ok, so it not really and "old" ditty but what hey, its a slow day at work!):brad

[rocketman]

A very disturbing pattern presented as a socioeconomic commentary :laugh

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/pattern-1.jpg

RM

[franze]

Ok, here's a "tweener". taken Monday "tween" the two assigments. If I was a capitalist pig I'd print this and take it to the farmhouse and try to sell it, but I'm not a capitalist...... oink, oink. This was taken from my front yard, I mean, my landlords field.

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749236-M.jpg


Ok, can anyone 'splain to me why the left side of the rainbow is so much darker than the right side? This hasn't been photoshopped or filterized, or anything else. Just some schmuck with his point and shoot, standing in the mud, trying not to get too much rain on the camera..............

[franze]

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749205-M.jpg

[franze]

ll: El><7 :ll

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749190-M.jpg


closest guess to what this title means gets his/her bar tab paid by me

[franze]

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749171-M.jpg

[SNC1923]

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/229773342-XL.jpg

[SNC1923]

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/229773764-L.jpg

[lamble]

ll: El><7 :ll

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749190-M.jpg


closest guess to what this title means gets his/her bar tab paid by me

Is it something to do with the formula that defines parallel lines and their apparent convergence?

[rocketman]

Maybe its just me but......

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.........:brad


RM

(well, Someone had to say it!):banghead

[SNC1923]

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749171-M.jpg

I really like this. Very cool.

[Mika]

12/08/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22156): Patterm

12/01/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22018): Element

11/24/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21853): Gratitude – Thanksgiving Special

11/17/2007 ( http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21734): Triangle

11/10/2007 ( http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21574): Harmony

11/03/2007 ( http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21441): Pure & Simple

10/27/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21286): Open Wide

10/19/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21141): Shadow of a Doubt

10/13/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20999&highlight=Photo+Assignment): Group Dynamic

10/06/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20845&highlight=Photo+Assignment): Blue

09/29/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20687&highlight=Photo+Assignment): Evolution

09/22/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20513&highlight=Photo+Assignment): Balance

09/15/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20361&highlight=Photo+Assignment): Where I Want to Be

09/08/2007 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20239&highlight=Photo+Assignment): A Long Way to Go

[grossjohann]

http://lh5.google.com/Alex.Grossjohann/R1qfUlLA3qI/AAAAAAAAA0g/41vDsnRelyI/s800/DSC01695.JPG
Canned Pattern

This is an unused sample food can taken from the top down.

[RandallIsland]

https://vspace.vassar.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-1267843_1

[RandallIsland]

Donut :ha
https://vspace.vassar.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-1267844_1

[RandallIsland]

This is the one! ... unless I shoot something better tomorrow...
https://vspace.vassar.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-1267845_1

[rocketman]

Taken today and yes I did photoshop them insofar as highlighting My Father’s Stone and the Black & White conversion method I used that allows for the adjustment of the different color channels as apposed to a straight gray-scale conversion, but considering the emotional tie I have to the subject matter of the second and third in the series I wanted them to reflect and (or at least attempt) to instill that emotional tie in the viewer. Hopefully I did in some small manor obtain that goal.

Also in each I tried to show more than one pattern i.e. physical arrangements as well as the progression of life as a pattern.

Patterns of Life

Arlington Cemetery 1

Offered Without Comment

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/DSC_4182-gs-web.jpg


RM

[rocketman]

Patterns of Life

Arlington Cemetery 2

Father and Son

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/father-son-1-bw-web.jpg

RM

[rocketman]

Patterns of Life

Arlington Cemetery 3

Still Connected

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/connected--bw-web.jpg

RM

[rocketman]

Patterns of Life

Arlington Cemetery 4

Flight

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/flight-2-bw-web.jpg

RM

[lamble]

It's not my role to do anything administrative here, but I notice a pattern that we could find leads to SNC being inundated and hence we will lose the input we all find so valuable. What I see is, that we are submitting more than one image each.

Can I suggest that when we submit multiple images, we indicate the 'ONE' we want SNC to pass comment on. That way we get to display our creative juices but without putting an onerous demand on SNC's time?

This thread is incredibly successful and I'd not want to see us bring about its demise, through our own enthusiasm.

Deciding which image is 'the one' and working out why, is in itself educational.

It's a suggestion, a thought, and nothing more.

[tourunigo]

A bit of snowblowing yesterday in milder temps (Mary laughs when the boy-me finds any excuse to start a motor), but today is a sunny, frigid Sunday morning. Looking for a "pattern". Found this imbedded in some remaining patches of snow (note bits of grass). Anyway, my contribution is not only a pattern left by my 8hp buddy but also an image of a pending recurring pattern for the coming couple of months. New patterns, however, will return in the Spring:clap -Bob
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd244/tourunigo/DSCN18951.jpg

[SNC1923]

Patterns of Life

Arlington Cemetery 3

Still Connected

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/connected--bw-web.jpg

RM

You know, this is really a wonderful series. The photograph above is nothing short of remarkable. I love its stark symmetry, the rich, dark tones, the tentative denim-clad hand emerging from the left. The name, Tank, the technical jargon, the birth date. . . . What an amazing shot. Your composition decision is probably its chief strength, but there are so many others. Your effort to trigger an emotional response in your viewer is successful.

I've been kicking around the idea of having an assignment involving a series. Yours helps me to see what a good idea that is.

[grossjohann]

Patterns of Life

Arlington Cemetery 3

Still Connected

RM

These are wonderful images, and are well thought-out. They also show the drama which can be added with a little post-processing. I would be interested in seeing the originals for reference.

-Alex

[SNC1923]

It's not my role to do anything administrative here, but I notice a pattern that we could find leads to SNC being inundated and hence we will lose the input we all find so valuable. What I see is, that we are submitting more than one image each.

Can I suggest that when we submit multiple images, we indicate the 'ONE' we want SNC to pass comment on. That way we get to display our creative juices but without putting an onerous demand on SNC's time?

This thread is incredibly successful and I'd not want to see us bring about its demise, through our own enthusiasm.

Deciding which image is 'the one' and working out why, is in itself educational.

It's a suggestion, a thought, and nothing more.

This is a very thoughtful suggestion and I appreciate it and the impetus behind it.

I have been doing this myself, to some degree, sometimes choosing one or two from among several to comment on. I would encourage photographers to indicate which image they are keen to hear about. You can just say C&C (comment and critique) on this one.

Either way, I don't foresee the thread going away anytime soon, not until you pry it from my cold, dead hand. . . . :rofl

[lamble]

I'm sorry to seem like the grumpy git here, but whilst I do very much enjoy the composition, the concept and almost all other elements of the Rocketman image, he's crossed into post production, therefore, welcome to my world.
I used to commission images for various projects and most if not all had been through some post production or another.

Let's just say, I'd have regarded the image by RMan as "work in progress".
I'm guessing that in the hurry to get the images posted there was an element of rush. To me I see about 45 minutes more work required. Enlarging the image and working at near pixel level around the fingers, and within the bounded areas of the alpha numerics...but I'm sure RM sees this too. The lack of post prod does work in the circle around the cross however, I'd leave that alone. Although, on further contemplation, I might take out the area bounded by the cross, I think that could pay visual dividends.

It's a powerful picture indeed.

[PGlaves]

Hand made adobe blocks form a pattern on the office wall !

[rocketman]

I'm sorry to seem like the grumpy git here, but whilst I do very much enjoy the composition, the concept and almost all other elements of the Rocketman image, he's crossed into post production, therefore, welcome to my world.
I used to commission images for various projects and most if not all had been through some post production or another.

Let's just say, I'd have regarded the image by RMan as "work in progress".
I'm guessing that in the hurry to get the images posted there was an element of rush. To me I see about 45 minutes more work required. Enlarging the image and working at near pixel level around the fingers, and within the bounded areas of the alpha numerics...but I'm sure RM sees this too. The lack of post prod does work in the circle around the cross however, I'd leave that alone. Although, on further contemplation, I might take out the area bounded by the cross, I think that could pay visual dividends.

It's a powerful picture indeed.

you're quite right and I have been doing a bit more on them though I am leaving the dark area around the fingers and the shadows of the screw heads alone as I think it adds some depth to an otherwise flat image. I minimized the post processing for these here in light of posting them here and didn't want to cross to far over into post processing as the main theme here is as it comes out of the camera as much as possible. I also wish that the loose cuff of my jacket hadn't creeped into the frame. I may rub that out or go back for a re-shoot.
You're right thou that I did not see the dark areas inside the writing till now. Having gotten back into using RAW I am now seeing the advantages once more though is means having to process every shot, it also means having to more closely analyze each one and deciding is this one really any good and thus worth working on. Its making me evaluate my photos more, a direct result of participating in this series of threads. Now I just need to learn to limit my entires!:) I admit to being something of a post whore with my photographs.

RM

[jdmetzger]

It was a dangerous walk across my driveway to get this photo. We have received a good amount of freezing rain, today. My driveway is a solid sheet of ice. Some of the ice buildup can be seen in my photo, as well. As usual, NO editing has been done, aside from rotating it to be upright and scaling. I feel the angle is a bit off, and it blurs sooner than I would like it to. I think that's due to the photo being taken with the camera "on end" instead of "flat". The latter would lead to a wider photo. I tried that but it was giving me even less of what I wanted. :)

http://www.jdmetzger.com/img/potw/potw-pattern.jpg

[lamble]

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/230488957-M.jpg

Series IV Carbon

[lamble]

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/230510395-M.jpg

C&C please. I couldn't seem to get the yellow in focus and it kept picking the red or black as the focal point, despite much trying. I'm also tempted to go back to the torch/mouth trick, as the yellow from the reading lamp bulb is too yellow/warm for my taste. So sharper colours and better focus C&C please.

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/230547617-M.jpg

Here it is again colour corrected (touch too blue maybe) but how could I have achieved this without software?

[Voni]

This became the pattern of my birthday ride.

I'd stop for just one more picture . . .

[Voni]

And then Paul would come back to remind me that we were going to run out of daylight. Maybe we shouldn't have gone all the way to Candaleria.

[wmubrown]

Here it is again colour corrected (touch too blue maybe) but how could I have achieved this without software?

Just a guess, but it's probably the lighting throwing off the exposure. Many digital cameras have lighting control to compensate for white balance: you can usually select tungsten, florescent, outdoor, indoor, etc. They also usually have a white balance adjustment also, which is probably a more effective way to compensate for lighting, especially given how much white is in your subject. To get the yellow, white, green in focus would require a larger (smaller? I can never keep it straight) f-stop (deeper depth of field) which many pocket digital cameras don't let you adjust.

[wmubrown]

These are once again resized due to the extremely large size of the originals from the Canon D10 but are otherwise untouched:

Lots of patterns in this photo, but I'm not particularly fond of the focus, I think having the foreground balloon in focus would have been more effective:
http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0800a.jpg

The next two were taken outside Bell's Microbrewery here in Kalamazoo and are a long line of bicycle racks. I was lying on the ground, and people stopped more than once asking if I was OK before they noticed the camera. Guy lying down on the ground outside a bar, I could see how that could raise the question...

I think this image could have used more depth of field (hard to tell on the tiny 1.5" LCD) C&C?
http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0804a.jpg

While interesting, I didn't find this nearly as appealing as the image above, it too would have benefited by more depth of field:
http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0809a.jpg

[almostblue]

wave pattern (or an ill-disguised effort to show off my bike).

[MLS2GO]

Just been lurking the last couple of weeks. I have two to post and please feel free to comment on either one you would like to. In previous posts I have described them, to mix it up no description given.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230600685-L.jpg

[MLS2GO]

A definite 100 bonus point for anyone who can tell what the pattern behind the pattern is.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230599283-L.jpg

[lamble]

Just a guess, but it's probably the lighting throwing off the exposure. Many digital cameras have lighting control to compensate for white balance: you can usually select tungsten, florescent, outdoor, indoor, etc. They also usually have a white balance adjustment also, which is probably a more effective way to compensate for lighting, especially given how much white is in your subject. To get the yellow, white, green in focus would require a larger (smaller? I can never keep it straight) f-stop (deeper depth of field) which many pocket digital cameras don't let you adjust.


Konica Minolta Dynax 7D -Sony 18-200 lens.
AWB set, also tried with WB button pressed down and then the little flower one.
Should I have used a flash?

[SNC1923]

Just a guess, but it's probably the lighting throwing off the exposure. Many digital cameras have lighting control to compensate for white balance: you can usually select tungsten, florescent, outdoor, indoor, etc. They also usually have a white balance adjustment also, which is probably a more effective way to compensate for lighting, especially given how much white is in your subject. To get the yellow, white, green in focus would require a larger (smaller? I can never keep it straight) f-stop (deeper depth of field) which many pocket digital cameras don't let you adjust.

I think John's comments here are right on. It's definitely your white balance. Color is rated in temperature. . . . Daylight is 5000 degrees, tungsten lamps are 3200 degrees, etc. In the old days, if you shot indoors without a flash (daylight film) your pics were yellow, much like your first one is. In the old days we attached a blue filter. Today, you either set your white balance to "tungsten" or take a white balance with a white card. Frankly, I rarely if ever mess with my white balance.

Insofar as the depth of field is concerned, two things:

To have a greater depth of focus, you need to have a greater depth of field. If adjustable on your camera, you need to stop down. That is, from f/8 to f/16 for example. If you don't understand these numbers, I'll give it a try. They are fractions. It's actually 1:8.0 or 1/8. Here 1 is the length of your lens and 8 (1/8) is the diameter of your aperture. It would take 8 aperture diameters to equal the length of your lens. Therefore, the larger the number (8, 11, 16, 22) the smaller the aperture and the greater the depth of field. 1/8, 1/11, 1/16, 1/22, etc.

Anytime you start messing with shutter speeds and apertures, especially indoors, you almost necessarily have to be on a tripod. Because stopping the aperture down decreases the light entering the lens, the corresponding shutter speed must be slower.

So one thing to fix the depth of field is to stop down the lens. The other is to focus on whatever is in the foreground. You would want to focus on the yellow paint receptacle. You can lock the focus on your camera by pointing the focus indicator at the intended subject, depress the shutter release part way, then recompose and shoot. In other words, the intended point of focus (the subject) does not have to be in the center of the finished picture, but it needs to be in the center when you focus. Your camera has a small oval, circle, or set of brackets to indicate where focus is determined.

Clear as mud? When school's out I'll actually have time to take some pictures to make all of this less abstract. If you have any questions, don't hesitate. This all seems complicated at first, but is actually easy to master and it fits together like a simple puzzle.

[SNC1923]

A definite 100 bonus point for anyone who can tell what the pattern behind the pattern is.

Kevlar? Cordura?

[lamble]

A definite 100 bonus point for anyone who can tell what the pattern behind the pattern is.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230599283-L.jpg

Is it snow covered pine trees through a sieve?
Don't have any idea other than a space hopper frosted for the orange one.

[jdmetzger]

A definite 100 bonus point for anyone who can tell what the pattern behind the pattern is.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230599283-L.jpg

Windows screen with ice buildup?

[Voni]

wave pattern (or an ill-disguised effort to show off my bike).

Sweet bike ; )

Nice wave pattern too.

Voni
sMiling

[JohnF]

At one time a reciever ran a "pattern" in football. They now run routes.

I should have taken better care of the deflated football...some of the autographs on it are, Roger Staubach, Dick Butkus, and Gayle Sayres.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x55/k12rider/photo%20assignments/DSC01231.jpg



John F
Cincinnati, OH

[MLS2GO]

The orange one. OK I had to look that one up. No, not a space hopper. I will give you this, it stays outside all the time. Keep trying.

On the pattern one, screen covered in ice is correct, as for the pattern behind the pattern, I call close enough. It is not pine trees but regular trees covered with ice also. Very perceptive! 100 extra bonus points, but you have to split them!

thanks for the response.

[MLS2GO]

Why have the center pull left to block the end and leave the halfback on the middle linebacker. Are you setting something else up, or is that a standard play you use to run the ball a lot and you are trying to "influence block" the middle linbacker?

[lamble]

The orange one. OK I had to look that one up. No, not a space hopper. I will give you this, it stays outside all the time. Keep trying.

On the pattern one, screen covered in ice is correct, as for the pattern behind the pattern, I call close enough. It is not pine trees but regular trees covered with ice also. Very perceptive! 100 extra bonus points, but you have to split them!

thanks for the response.

Thank God for that, my second guess was going to be a kangaroo with a vacuum cleaner, leading a jazzband in a hoola contest and juggling silver foil wrapped cheese, but then I wiped my computer screen...and they all went away.

[wmubrown]

I was sitting on the sofa having a beer after dinner and heard my Christmas ornament spinning and thought "ah-ha! another pattern!" This was trickier to capture than I expected and I ended up setting the D10 to 'bulb' mode (shutter open as long as I keep the shutter button pressed) with a Mag-lite beamed on the ornament to illuminate it, and the flash on the camera turned on. I don't have a tripod short enough to be eye-level to the ornament, so I used a rectangular candy jar as a base to sit the camera on as I held it to focus (on Taz as he spun by) and then recompose so the whole ornament is in the frame. I hit the shutter button as Taz was face on and kept it held about 1/4 turn (a second or so - it's probably all in the EXIF information) and wa-la! Marvin the Martian is barely discerned in the port window.

http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0830.JPG

[lamble]

Why have the center pull left to block the end and leave the halfback on the middle linebacker. Are you setting something else up, or is that a standard play you use to run the ball a lot and you are trying to "influence block" the middle linbacker?


I think you are leaving yourself susceptible to a strong safety blitz, but I'm British and have no idea what I'm talking about. Which one is the wicket keeper?

Is the yellow frosty image a propane tank end?

[SNC1923]

I was sitting on the sofa having a beer after dinner and heard my Christmas ornament spinning and thought "ah-ha! another pattern!" This was trickier to capture than I expected and I ended up setting the D10 to 'bulb' mode (shutter open as long as I keep the shutter button pressed) with a Mag-lite beamed on the ornament to illuminate it, and the flash on the camera turned on. I don't have a tripod short enough to be eye-level to the ornament, so I used a rectangular candy jar as a base to sit the camera on as I held it to focus (on Taz as he spun by) and then recompose so the whole ornament is in the frame. I hit the shutter button as Taz was face on and kept it held about 1/4 turn (a second or so - it's probably all in the EXIF information) and wa-la! Marvin the Martian is barely discerned in the port window.

http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0830.JPG

Clearly, you are not a cat owner. Mine would devour that in the time it would take to say, Brace yourself for immediate disintegration (http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/disngrat.wav)."

[lamble]

I think John's comments here are right on. It's definitely your white balance. Color is rated in temperature. . . . Daylight is 5000 degrees, tungsten lamps are 3200 degrees, etc. In the old days, if you shot indoors without a flash (daylight film) your pics were yellow, much like your first one is. In the old days we attached a blue filter. Today, you either set your white balance to "tungsten" or take a white balance with a white card. Frankly, I rarely if ever mess with my white balance.

Insofar as the depth of field is concerned, two things:

To have a greater depth of focus, you need to have a greater depth of field. If adjustable on your camera, you need to stop down. That is, from f/8 to f/16 for example. If you don't understand these numbers, I'll give it a try. They are fractions. It's actually 1:8.0 or 1/8. Here 1 is the length of your lens and 8 (1/8) is the diameter of your aperture. It would take 8 aperture diameters to equal the length of your lens. Therefore, the larger the number (8, 11, 16, 22) the smaller the aperture and the greater the depth of field. 1/8, 1/11, 1/16, 1/22, etc.

Anytime you start messing with shutter speeds and apertures, especially indoors, you almost necessarily have to be on a tripod. Because stopping the aperture down decreases the light entering the lens, the corresponding shutter speed must be slower.

So one thing to fix the depth of field is to stop down the lens. The other is to focus on whatever is in the foreground. You would want to focus on the yellow paint receptacle. You can lock the focus on your camera by pointing the focus indicator at the intended subject, depress the shutter release part way, then recompose and shoot. In other words, the intended point of focus (the subject) does not have to be in the center of the finished picture, but it needs to be in the center when you focus. Your camera has a small oval, circle, or set of brackets to indicate where focus is determined.

Clear as mud? When school's out I'll actually have time to take some pictures to make all of this less abstract. If you have any questions, don't hesitate. This all seems complicated at first, but is actually easy to master and it fits together like a simple puzzle.

Okay, so hold down the shutter release part way, press the AWB button, adjust the focus and depth of field, hold the magi lite in my teeth, adjust the tripod, set the 123 thingy, jiggle the MSAP, switch the AF/MF, re-configure the ISO and MSET while holding the shakey hand thing in the on position...I'm guessing I should put my cup of tea down first.

[grossjohann]

I was sitting on the sofa having a beer after dinner and heard my Christmas ornament spinning and thought "ah-ha! another pattern!" This was trickier to capture than I expected and I ended up setting the D10 to 'bulb' mode (shutter open as long as I keep the shutter button pressed) with a Mag-lite beamed on the ornament to illuminate it, and the flash on the camera turned on. I don't have a tripod short enough to be eye-level to the ornament, so I used a rectangular candy jar as a base to sit the camera on as I held it to focus (on Taz as he spun by) and then recompose so the whole ornament is in the frame. I hit the shutter button as Taz was face on and kept it held about 1/4 turn (a second or so - it's probably all in the EXIF information) and wa-la! Marvin the Martian is barely discerned in the port window.

http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0830.JPG

CRAP!!!

I was just working on this one:

http://lh6.google.com/Alex.Grossjohann/R1y3tVLA3sI/AAAAAAAAA1I/X5tFJ1ynQ1M/s800/DSC01763.JPG

[grossjohann]

Pattern of Greater Environmental Conservation?

http://lh6.google.com/Alex.Grossjohann/R1y2nVLA3rI/AAAAAAAAA1A/028cqvTD2RE/s800/DSC01774.JPG

[MLS2GO]

No not a propane tank. And by the way if the safety blitzes and the corner goes with the wideout, we are talking touchdown.

[lamble]

No not a propane tank. And by the way if the safety blitzes and the corner goes with the wideout, we are talking touchdown.

But what direction do the batsmen have to run, if the silly-mid-on let's the googlie slip toward the boundary from a leg spinner after a bat and pad square cut?

[grossjohann]

Cricket, anyone? :lurk

[SNC1923]

Cricket, anyone? :lurk

Baseball has the great advantage over cricket of being sooner ended.

--George Bernard Shaw

[Voni]

OK! Back to pictures . . .

Just one more. An adobe church in Riudoso, TX

Voni
sMiling

[JohnF]

Why have the center pull left to block the end and leave the halfback on the middle linebacker. Are you setting something else up, or is that a standard play you use to run the ball a lot and you are trying to "influence block" the middle linbacker?

A photo assignment...and we still have a Monday morning Quarterback!!!!

The Center steps forward to check a blitz by the MLB (mike) and then checks L to help the G, T or blitzing outside LB...and the "H back" is still running a slide pattern!

JEF
Cincinnati, OH

p.s. should of sent the one of the grandkids cutting "patterns" out of the cookie dough!!

[wmubrown]

If adjustable on your camera, you need to stop down. That is, from f/8 to f/16 for example. If you don't understand these numbers, I'll give it a try. They are fractions. It's actually 1:8.0 or 1/8. Here 1 is the length of your lens and 8 (1/8) is the diameter of your aperture. It would take 8 aperture diameters to equal the length of your lens. Therefore, the larger the number (8, 11, 16, 22) the smaller the aperture and the greater the depth of field. 1/8, 1/11, 1/16, 1/22, etc.

Clear as mud? When school's out I'll actually have time to take some pictures to make all of this less abstract. If you have any questions, don't hesitate. This all seems complicated at first, but is actually easy to master and it fits together like a simple puzzle.

That makes SO much more sense now!! Larger f-stop, smaller aperture always confused me. I didn't understand it was a fraction and as f-stop increases, the fraction grows smaller, the aperture grows smaller. Go it! Finally! Thanks!

[wmubrown]

Clearly, you are not a cat owner. Mine would devour that in the time it would take to say, Brace yourself for immediate disintegration (http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/disngrat.wav)."

Once again Tom, very perceptive! No cats, no dogs, no kids, one turtle, spiders, and a few dust bunnies is all ;)

But where's the k-a-b-o-o-m? There's supposed to be an Earth-shattering KABOOM!?!???

[wmubrown]

Okay, so hold down the shutter release part way, press the AWB button, adjust the focus and depth of field, hold the magi lite in my teeth, adjust the tripod, set the 123 thingy, jiggle the MSAP, switch the AF/MF, re-configure the ISO and MSET while holding the shakey hand thing in the on position...I'm guessing I should put my cup of tea down first.

Oh man!! You blinked! I think you blinked... yeah... ya blinked man! Now you have to repeat the whole process...!

[rocketman]

Cricket, anyone? :lurk

Hmmm, I could bowl a mean ball in my day! Probably one of the longest field games in existance! Just the sort of thing for a warm, lazy summer afternoon.

RM

I say, I do believe we have a sticky wicket there!

[lamble]

HOW TO PLAY CRICKET

Some people find the game of cricket difficult to understand. Perhaps the following will help:

The game is played by two groups.

The first group is in and the second group goes out.

Some of the group which is in, go out.

The group that is out, tries to get the group that is in, out.

When one of the group that is in, is out, he goes in and the next one goes out.

Then when all of the first group (except one) that is in, is out, the second group that is out goes in.

The first group now goes out and tries to get the second group, who now are in, out.

Only when both groups have been in and out twice is there a conclusion.

Now I think this makes perfect sense, but I'm struggling with focal length, depth and apertures, how come?

[Burnszilla]

I shot all week and then found out what the assignment was today...
While in Vegas this past week we ran into a mob of Brits attending the Hatton-Mayweather fight. It was quite interesting.
Snapped a pic of this punter at the MGM Grand...
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/burnszilla/2100883083/" title="IMG_0235.JPG by Burnszilla, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2136/2100883083_287feb2102_b.jpg" width="700" alt="IMG_0235.JPG" /></a>

I'm sure this photo would be more balance without the bright light on the right side. I had the urge to crop but resisted. No critique needed.
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/burnszilla/2100878563/" title="IMG_0197.JPG by Burnszilla, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2342/2100878563_e10edd12ba_b.jpg" width="700" alt="IMG_0197.JPG" /></a>
Had a great week. I won over $400 at black jack over 3 days. Then at the airport found $15 worth of chips in my pocket. ARggh!..
dlearl can you cash them in for me? I'll give you $5?

[rocketman]

HOW TO PLAY CRICKET

Some people find the game of cricket difficult to understand. Perhaps the following will help:

The game is played by two groups.

The first group is in and the second group goes out.

Some of the group which is in, go out.

The group that is out, tries to get the group that is in, out.

When one of the group that is in, is out, he goes in and the next one goes out.

Then when all of the first group (except one) that is in, is out, the second group that is out goes in.

The first group now goes out and tries to get the second group, who now are in, out.

Only when both groups have been in and out twice is there a conclusion.

Now I think this makes perfect sense, but I'm struggling with focal length, depth and apertures, how come?

you forgot to add that when both groups are out they all go to the Inn for a warm stout or ale.:brad

RM

[lamble]

While in Vegas this past week we ran into a mob of Brits attending the Hatton-Mayweather fight. It was quite interesting.


Good Burnszilla Sir,

A mob, isn't the normal collective noun for a gathering of Brits. It's usually a "colonisation", or a "administrative middle-class infrastructure" of Brits.

Wait a minute though, Hatton is from Manchester, so a collection of Mancs and boxing fans t'boot. I stand corrected, they probably were a mob. Just be glad they weren't scousers, otherwise you'd not have found those $15 of chips in your pocket, they'd have nicked 'em. Probably had your trousers off you as well.

Seems Hatton got badly outclassed.

[tourunigo]

.. for which I apologize minimally. Question: Is it possible that we all might meet in Gillette for some photo-ops? I have enjoyed and learned from all and think that a wee gathering might be in order. Of course, Tom pays for no beer. -Bob (tasting ample samplings of his 60 litres of Christmas wine)

[lamble]

.. for which I apologize minimally. Question: Is it possible that we all might meet in Gillette for some photo-ops? I have enjoyed and learned from all and think that a wee gathering might be in order. Of course, Tom pays for no beer. -Bob (tasting ample samplings of his 60 litres of Christmas wine)


That sounds like it makes a lot of sense. Perhaps a workshop too?

[Rapid_Roy]

If I can't make it, I'll send a picture with Hodag.
Here is my pattern.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/RapidR/PC090033.jpg

[wmubrown]

.. for which I apologize minimally. Question: Is it possible that we all might meet in Gillette for some photo-ops? I have enjoyed and learned from all and think that a wee gathering might be in order. Of course, Tom pays for no beer. -Bob (tasting ample samplings of his 60 litres of Christmas wine)

There is usually a forum gathering during the national... just watch the forum postings near rally time :)

[KBasa]

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/231406392-L.jpg

[KBasa]

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/231405101-XL.jpg

[KBasa]

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/231407299-XL.jpg

[SNC1923]

Wow--tough choice, Dave. Really nice stuff this week. I favor nos. 1 & 3. Both are really cool images, a bit otherworldly, I'd say. I might like 3 better if just for the contrast of metal and leather. Patterns galore.

[KBasa]

Wow--tough choice, Dave. Really nice stuff this week. I favor nos. 1 & 3. Both are really cool images, a bit otherworldly, I'd say. I might like 3 better if just for the contrast of metal and leather. Patterns galore.

Thanks. I live in a modernist house and it's all about patterns. I just wandered out into the atrium and shot these on Friday afternoon. This is section of our yard, taken last August.

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/182906308-L.jpg

[rocketman]

Thanks. I live in a modernist house and it's all about patterns. I just wandered out into the atrium and shot these on Friday afternoon. This is section of our yard, taken last August.

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/182906308-L.jpg

I think those sea urchins in the center court need to go back to the ocean, they're looking a little bleached!:D

RM

[PGlaves]

I think those sea urchins in the center court need to go back to the ocean, they're looking a little bleached!:D

RM

I thought those were the spare wig supply for Curly, Moe or Larry - whichever one it was with the falling-down spiky hairdo.

[KBasa]

Blue fescue, actually. They're much larger now. They grow into a blue mound about 2 feet around and tall.

:)

[bluestune]

I agree with Tom that shots 1 and 3 are very good, but my vote goes for Kbasa’s #1. The repetition of pattern is really striking, but what really sets it off is the reflected red in the chrome contrasting against the blueish background. The color contrast helps give the image added dimension and depth, nice shot.

[SNC1923]

Another week gone already. Where do the photo opportunities go? Well, we were looking for patterns, and once again this group distinguished itself interpreting this theme in a number of clever and inventive ways.

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749236-M.jpg

Franze started us off with a bang this week. This guy must live in one of the most beautiful places in the world. I must admit, when I saw this picture my first reaction was to smash my camera, a la Rapid_Roy. . . . :rofl The light in this shot is really interesting. The whole thing's a bit hazy and the foreground is quite dark, beneath clouds I suppose. The composition is quite interesting with the horizon and the rainbow's terminus each occupying it's own third of the photo. Of course, that it's landing square on this leprechaun's house is a miracle. What's the best camera to own? The one you have with you when you see a rainbow falling in someone's backyard. Pretty amazingly cool shot. Right place at the right time, but that is not in any way to take away from his thoughtful execution.

http://elcid.smugmug.com/photos/229749171-M.jpg

I already commented on this unique perspective. I admit to having a soft-spot for this shot. It would appear to be a cat, and this rather mundane circumstance has never been seen by virtually any of us before. It's really remarkable to me because it invokes a kind of response, a "Hey." I don't know if anyone else feels that way but I find it striking.

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/229773764-L.jpg

I was kind of proud of this. Not a great photo, but I'm rarely satisfied with my interpretations. When this idea dawned on me I thought I had something unique. I like the rugged textures the spines form; I like that it's motorcycle related. I like this hidden feature of the ON, a bit like Playboy's hidden bunny on each cover. That and the articles. Anywho, what I don't like is that I couldn't get parallel to the mags. They're on a shelf and my tripod, even with a horizontal column, wouldn't quite get to where I wanted. The lighting is a bit harsh, giving this an "old photo" quality; it lacks a bit of contrast or saturation or both. Still, a fun image.

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/231787132-L.jpg

Another interesting close-up, GrossJohann's submission is exactly the sort of picture on which I run hot and cold. Sometimes a starkly monochromatic subject like this really turns me off but this shot works for me. I think because it's an unusual prespective (how many pictures are looking into a can?), the ribs in the aluminum are an interesting, concentric patter. The reflections--which might have ruined this image--actually lend an element of interest. Although the subject is clear and familiar, this isn't a picture of a thing, it's a picture of reflections, repeating patterns, and shapes. It's very interesting. . . .

https://vspace.vassar.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-1267844_1

At first glance, RandallIsland's title "donut" didn't makes sense to me. When I caught it, I laughed out loud, imagining this frantic cat or rabbit or whatever it was racing through the freezing snow. That's really funny and an interesting kind of pattern, too. Snow is really tough to photograph, and this illumination and color cast is really interesting.

https://vspace.vassar.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-1267843_1

This is a very cool interpretation of "pattern." I thought of a bike chain, but I didn't do it, and if I had, it would have been around a sprocket. This way, curled up as it is, makes it infinitely more interesting. Again, a familiar (and motorcycle-related) item envisioned in a different way altogether.

http://roadrunes.com/images3/MOA-assignments/pattern/connected--bw-web.jpg

Now, I know that this is disqualified for having been photoshopped, but is this not a remarkable image? I love this shot along with the whole poignant series. In an upcoming assignment I'm going to ask that we shoot a short series of a given subject. Really nice stuff, Rocketman.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd244/tourunigo/DSCN18951.jpg

Touruniqo is back this week with an interesting shot. I think the appeal of this shot is its prespective. A lot of people would have shot this from where they stood, but TU takes us into the groove, must like on-board surfing photographers. I don't if it strikes you, but the wreath in the distance adds a certain something. (I was going to say je ne sais quoi but I don't want to get beaten up at the next rally).

This photo does highlight how difficult it is to photograph snow. You'll notice in this shot that it's rather gray. A camera's light meter is calibrated to expect 18% gray reflectance. If you shoot something that's either predominantly white or black, it tends to be rendered as a shade of gray. Overexpose snow by about two stops (+2 EV or a Chinaman's googly to your cricket players). Underexpose black by about 2 stops. I know it's counterintuitive, but that's how it works.

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/231787120-L.jpg

It would be very easy to say that this has been done a thousand times (at least that many in my own collection) but PGlaves' interpretation of patter is really kind of remarkable. Again: simple, familiar, a bit of drama with the perspective, and an interesting, layered texture that is all around us, but how often do we stop down and look at it? These bricks actually have character.

http://www.jdmetzger.com/img/potw/potw-pattern.jpg

This is another shot that I love. Are you seeing a pattern in these shots (master of the unintentional pun)? Close-up, familiar objects, extraordinary detail. The chain link here, weathered, rusted, frozen, is so fascinating. It's repeating folds and loops are really compelling. The perspective combined with the very shallow depth-of-field add such interest. Note that the very short section that's in focus is very near the "front." The photos always work better if there's little out of focus in the foreground. Great interpretation: color, texture, contrast. Just neat.

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/230488957-L.jpg

Lamble has a couple of very interesting shots this week. This is one. The multiple curves are the attraction for me. Here the lack of contrast colors (monochromatic shot) doesn't work so well for me. I also have to hunt for the point of focus (and there is one). I wonder what this would look like with a great depth-of-field. Still it's a very interesting image, well-composed, that invites inquiry. Perhaps because it's not so immediately identifiable, it's more challenging to the viewer.

http://lamble.smugmug.com/photos/230510395-M.jpg

I really appreciate that Lamble posts this one which he clearly feels is less successful. It's a great learning opportunity for all of us. This subject, because it's white with familiar bright colors, is a real challenge for white balance. Here the WB seems to be set for "outdoors" rather than "automatic" and it's shot under indoor, incandescent lighting. Everyone reading this has yellow pictures taken indoors without a flash, right? That's why. This would be a situation where one might take a WB reading, or at least set it for "indoor" (the little light bulb icon--not the fluorescent).

Notice, too, how Lamble talks about where the camera wants to focus. It's important to learn that the camera (much like a motorcycle) will go where you tell it to. In every viewfinder is a central oval, brackets or parentheses indicating where the camera will focus. Modern DSLRs have autofocus systems that focus on multiple points. They generally don't work for me and I set them to the center point. Point the camera at what you want to be in focus, depress and hold the shutter, recompose and shoot. That's all there is to it. I encourage you to play with that. It will set you free.

http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0809a.jpg

In addition to his excellent advice on the photo above, WMUBrown submitted a couple of cool shots this week. There were two of these. Like him, I preferred the perspective of the first, but the subject is swallowed by a shadow. This one is starkly symmetrical and very unusual. It's a nice find (a bike rack I assume). I think it wants to be cropped square. It's interesting: This image works precisely because of its rigid symmetry, just the opposite reason that GrossJohann's shot works.

As my dear mother used to say, "I'm just going to rest my eyes for a minute."



More later.

[lamble]

Apart from the lighting being duff, your comments just made me take a look at the camera. It is indeed set on a 9 points of focus setting rather than the centre.

On the carbon being monochrome, that's just the colour it is I'm afraid.

I'll have another pop at the paint pot tomorrow perhaps. One learns form one's mistakes.

[rocketman]

Apart from the lighting being duff, your comments just made me take a look at the camera. It is indeed set on a 9 points of focus setting rather than the centre.

On the carbon being monochrome, that's just the colour it is I'm afraid.

I'll have another pop at the paint pot tomorrow perhaps. One learns form one's mistakes.

don't know what you have, but with the Nikon DSLR, (and I would asume others) there is a setting that allows you to pick a specific focus point from all those shown, that way you might not have to move the camera and hold down the shutter half-way. this often works for me cause i often can't seem to hold the button steady halfway while moving the camera, I either release it just enough that I loss the focus or wind up pushing it down all the way down in the middle of the move and Click., wrong framing!
RM

[tourunigo]

Tom wrote: "Touruniqo is back this week with an interesting shot. I think the appeal of this shot is its prespective. A lot of people would have shot this from where they stood, but TU takes us into the groove, must like on-board surfing photographers. I don't if it strikes you, but the wreath in the distance adds a certain something. (I was going to say je ne sais quoi but I don't want to get beaten up at the next rally).

This photo does highlight how difficult it is to photograph snow. You'll notice in this shot that it's rather gray. A camera's light meter is calibrated to expect 18% gray reflectance. If you shoot something that's either predominantly white or black, it tends to be rendered as a shade of gray. Overexpose snow by about two stops (+2 EV or a Chinaman's googly to your cricket players). Underexpose black by about 2 stops. I know it's counterintuitive, but that's how it works."

Thanks very much for the remarks regarding exposure. This will lead me into more discoveries with my new (to me) Nikon. Will experiment. And the wreath in the background slightly off center was done for no particular reason but just appealed to my eye. I seem to suspend technical correctness for some sort of artsy feel..... which these weekend adventures allow me to explore in new and increasingly disciplined ways. Oh yeah, that "beaten up at the rally" thing.... only if you think getting yet another free beer is getting "beaten up". -Bob

[KBasa]

I agree with Tom that shots 1 and 3 are very good, but my vote goes for Kbasa’s #1. The repetition of pattern is really striking, but what really sets it off is the reflected red in the chrome contrasting against the blueish background. The color contrast helps give the image added dimension and depth, nice shot.

Thanks! It's actually a chair in our atrium. I tried to keep the depth of field shallow enough to completely blur the background.

[Rapid_Roy]

Thanks! It's actually a chair in our atrium. I tried to keep the depth of field shallow enough to completely blur the background.
Is there nothing that you don't do well? Go away, this thread is for amateurs:bluduh
:nyah :laugh

[lamble]

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/231407299-XL.jpg

It's a chair!

Here I was thinking BMW had a new line of fetching red lederhosen with metal armour attachments, for that authentic Bavarian look!

Now I know it's a chair, I'll have to revise my Christmas wish list.

[SNC1923]

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/231915871-L.jpg

Ill-disguised effort to show of your bike? I'd say more "blatant." And I admire you for it, as there's no one worse than I for taking pictures to show off my bike. Well done, sir, I tip my hat to you. (Note: golden mean composition)

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230600685-L.jpg

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230599283-L.jpg

MLS2GO is on board this week with a couple of beauties. The first one--which I shall call "orange"--is a neat shot if only for the fact that I have no idea what it is. And I don't think he's told us yet. What a tease. It may be a frozen something, perhaps a texture coating or concrete. . . . I really have no idea. It's an interesting and seemingly natural pattern with a really interesting texture. I note that there is a lot of light falloff in the corners. Taken with a flash? That happens with some built-in flashes sometimes.

The second shot is even more interesting, as it is clearly not natural and rigidly symmetrical nearly to the point of infinity. When asked to guess I dismissed the notion that it might be a screen, but apparently that's what it is. I don't really do snow or freezing, so what do I know? I really like close-ups and this one is very effective.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x55/k12rider/photo%20assignments/DSC01231.jpg

JohnF is one of our regulars who is emerging with a certain style. His shots always exude some sort of humor, whether in the title or subject matter or what have you. I don't know why, but this strikes me as funny--a self-conscious and perhaps contrived interpretation, and a successful one. I like the staging of the football and helmet. I don't read football plays, but I assume it's accurate based on the discussion that ensued. One of the indicators of a photo's success is how much conversation it generates. Fun shot. Gayle Sayers? Inflate that thing and put it under glass, for crying out loud.

http://robietech.com/johnbrown/temp/IMG_0830.JPG

WMUBrown brought us another little bit of inspiration in this shot. I was surprised that you want all the way to "bulb" to shoot this (the "bulb" setting holds the shutter open as long as you depress the shutter release, seconds or even minutes are possible). Nonetheless, it's clever and I like it. The firing of the flash is what eventually gives some solid state to the subject, albeit semi-transparent. Many newer mid- to high-end cameras give you the option for a "rear-curtain sync." This causes the flash to fire just before the shutter closes, as opposed to immediately upon the shutter opening. This is so the trails of the long exposure seem to emanate from the subject rather than precede it. As it stands this is a really interesting image. I've been kicking around the idea of having an assignment with motion as a component. You've given me something to cogitate on.

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/231787156-L.jpg

Not to be outdone, GrossJohann returns with his own tree shot. This is an interesting and intricate pattern with a ghostly, ethereal feel. Normally, over-exposure is a problem (as these lights clearly are) but here the effect is really nice. It renders that sort of fuzzy, gee-I-may-had-too-much-egg-nog sort of quality. Frankly, it looks very much like one of many Christmas cards that you can buy. Nice.

http://SNC1923.smugmug.com/photos/231787182-XL.jpg

Voni's submission this week is a really nice photo. Filled with patterns, not the least of which is the intricate adobe bricks, it's also a masterful composition. By offering us just a part of the church, it forces the eye to focus on the detail of the brick rather than the entirety of the structure. The brush, mountains, and sky form a perfect rule-of-thirds. The wispy clouds are nice against the azure sky. I really like this shot. It reveals thought on the part of the photographer. I often remark that a photo is a "snap shot." This one doesn't come off at all like that. 250 bonus points on general principle.

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

Is it just me, or is this bloke scary? And why is he walking around the MGM with a target? An interesting shot, especially in it interpretation of the theme, which Burnzilla found after the fact, even cooler still. In terms of posing--which I'm not always great at--he's pulling away from the target. I want him to lean in. I'm sure you didn't have a lot of time to discuss it. 100 bonus points for photographing a random stranger.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/RapidR/PC090033.jpg

I really like this simple composition from Rapid-Roy. Maybe it's a picture of an iron candle holder, but I think it's a picture of shadows. The extreme angle of the source light adds so much interest to this shot. To be picky, I would have shifted the camera ever-so-slightly to the left, trying to make even the margins of the right-most candle and the left-most shadow. It's a minor detail but they often make the most difference.

I'm assuming your wife would have shot you, but imagine this photo with the votives lit. Of course then the temptation would have been to turn down the source light which may have eliminated your shadows, making this an entirely different photo. The one you took is great.

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/231406392-L.jpg

I love all three of kbasa's submissions this week. I struggled with numbers 1 and 3 in terms of which I preferred. Bluestune points out something I completely overlooked which is the red reflection in the chrome. That, set against the beautifully blurred blue background is what makes this such a compelling image. Again, what we have here is not a photo of a thing, but a photo of light and texture and shapes. It forces the viewer to think or play with possibilities. It's challenging in that respect. I like a photo that challenges me as a viewer.

http://kbasa.smugmug.com/photos/231405101-XL.jpg

On the one hand, simply a picture of hanging art. On the other hand, the compositional decision is what makes this so intriguing. The round form, the colors and textures, play so well against the vertical lines on which they rest--especially given the neutral color. It's a neat image--puts me in mind of tie-dye for some reason.

What a great and interesting crop of photos this week. I really enjoyed them. It appears that our assignments are impacting the way in which we are taking pictures, forcing us to think and try new things. I know that it's having that effect on me, at least.

Next week's assignment will be a "special" of sorts. It will be seasonal and will allow those of us whose riding season has gone into hibernation to get back to thinking "motorcycle." It'll be up in less than 24, so watch for it!

Thanks for another fun week!

[Voni]

And thank you!

I learn so much from the detail your eye sees in each picture that isn't apparent at first glance. Or even second!

Voni
sMiling

[rocketman]

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/230600685-L.jpg


MLS2GO is on board this week with a couple of beauties. The first one--which I shall call "orange"--is a neat shot if only for the fact that I have no idea what it is. And I don't think he's told us yet. What a tease. It may be a frozen something, perhaps a texture coating or concrete. . . . I really have no idea. It's an interesting and seemingly natural pattern with a really interesting texture. I note that there is a lot of light falloff in the corners. Taken with a flash? That happens with some built-in flashes sometimes.




See now, I thought the light fall off was due to the object (what ever it is) being round, seems like the focus gets softer in the corners as well. Be curious to know what it was myself.

RM

[KBasa]

It's a chair!

Here I was thinking BMW had a new line of fetching red lederhosen with metal armour attachments, for that authentic Bavarian look!

Now I know it's a chair, I'll have to revise my Christmas wish list.

It's a Bertoia Diamond Lounge Chair with an Orange pad, actually. They're made by Knoll. During the summer, we keep them on the back patio. In the winter, they go in the atrium as mounts for /2 admiration.

http://www.knoll.com/db_alt_media/2000/1844_pp.jpg

I'm a total furniture geek, at least for the modern stuff. The antique stuff doesn't do a thing for me. :dunno

More info: http://www.knoll.com/products/product.jsp?prod_id=62

[KBasa]

Oh - and lest I be thought rude, a big thank you to Tom for keeping this rolling and all the folks that contribute here. I almost see a camera club forming within the MOA here.

[KBasa]

BMW MOA Camera Club sounds great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I propose we use a camera lens cover with a rondel for the Camera Club logo. Please check with the fashion police in the Fatherland because that would look cool. :) We could make Tom our leader ! Would we use terms as Director, Producer, Gripper and Best Boy/ Girl instead of Grand Wizard, Poopah, or flash ?

Sounds great lets start the year off with a snap. Lets blanket the video iRiders into the mix...................it is snowing here and I am starting to think inside things BMW..........................Hey we could call ourselves iRiders ? :thumb

EyeRiders.

Our motto: Let's go for a ride and make it snappy!

:ha

[RandallIsland]

Thanks Tom!
I'm sorry the flowers didn't meet the snuff, for review, but thank you!
It's always nice to read through these submissions and feedback. Fun stuff! :thumb

[Rapid_Roy]

I really like this simple composition from Rapid-Roy. Maybe it's a picture of an iron candle holder, but I think it's a picture of shadows. The extreme angle of the source light adds so much interest to this shot. To be picky, I would have shifted the camera ever-so-slightly to the left, trying to make even the margins of the right-most candle and the left-most shadow. It's a minor detail but they often make the most difference.
Yep, the pattern of the shadows is what caught my eye. You are amazing Tom.
Thank you. I wasn't going to submit anything this week, I wasn't happy with most of the shots I took. I am no Kbasa.
I may try that and see how it turns out lighted, and at a different angle.

There is a clue in this picture about why my wife found this in the clearance section. Bonus points to anybody who picks it up. Hint: it's in the shadows

[rocketman]

Oh - and lest I be thought rude, a big thank you to Tom for keeping this rolling and all the folks that contribute here. I almost see a camera club forming within the MOA here.

Oddly (or not) enough I had been thinking that maybe a photography forum might not be a bad idea. Certainly there seems to be a developing interest in sharing photograph and the discussion of such. And too for many photography and riding seem to go hand in hand.

On the local clubs forum we started an "Impressions" area for sharing photo's that were not by ncessarily motorcycle related, though many were taken during a ride.

On the LT forum they also have a photography forum. With the on going assignments here having a place for them might be nice and would make them easier to find. I’ve spent some time going back though ones I missed and have learned a few new things as a result.

Perhaps having it broken down into several sections.

1. Photo assignments
2. Impressions (where folks could share photos they have taken other than ride reports) and maybe even asking for opinions on a certain shot.
3. Tricks and Tips, for sharing ideas, things you have learned etc.

While I know there are plenty of other forums for photography and such, it still seems that on here, esp. one of a more informal nature might be a good idea. I know from several others I'm on it can sometimes be a little daunting when there are many members who are either pro, semi-pro or advanced amaturs. Perhaps too it would attract some new faces and maybe get more folks involved with the ongoing threads. Keeping it informal might makes folks who might not otherwise post, more comfortable with giving it (photography) a try, or just posting pics, either from a ride or otherwise. Just a thought.

RM

[KBasa]

Oddly (or not) enough I had been thinking that maybe a photography forum might not be a bad idea. Certainly there seems to be a developing interest in sharing photograph and the discussion of such. And too for many photography and riding seem to go hand in hand.

On the local clubs forum we started an "Impressions" area for sharing photo's that were not by ncessarily motorcycle related, though many were taken during a ride.

On the LT forum they also have a photography forum. With the on going assignments here having a place for them might be nice and would make them easier to find. I’ve spent some time going back though ones I missed and have learned a few new things as a result.

Perhaps having it broken down into several sections.

1. Photo assignments
2. Impressions (where folks could share photos they have taken other than ride reports) and maybe even asking for opinions on a certain shot.
3. Tricks and Tips, for sharing ideas, things you have learned etc.

While I know there are plenty of other forums for photography and such, it still seems that on here, esp. one of a more informal nature might be a good idea. I know from several others I'm on it can sometimes be a little daunting when there are many members who are either pro, semi-pro or advanced amaturs. Perhaps too it would attract some new faces and maybe get more folks involved with the ongoing threads. Keeping it informal might makes folks who might not otherwise post, more comfortable with giving it (photography) a try, or just posting pics, either from a ride or otherwise. Just a thought.

RM

Good thoughts. I've been a Dgrin member forever, but I've only got so much bandwidth. A photography forum would be fantastic. With a little tuning over the winter, I bet we'd see some pretty amazing ride reports next summer. :nod

[MLS2GO]

Your supposition that is round is correct, softness of focus rather than light. I will post a picture of it in it's entirety tonight, but it will be later tonight when I get home. Thanks for all the guesses.

[SNC1923]

Your supposition that is round is correct, softness of focus rather than light. I will post a picture of it in it's entirety tonight, but it will be later tonight when I get home. Thanks for all the guesses.

Good call, RM. I missed it. But there is light fall off as well as reduced depth of focus. Things farther are darker, generally.

Can't wait to find out what it is.

All this talk of a photography forum is gettin' me excited. Don't tease me now. . . .

I vote for Kbasa's name and motto. Mmmmmm. . . . Punny. . . .

[SNC1923]

There is a clue in this picture about why my wife found this in the clearance section. Bonus points to anybody who picks it up. Hint: it's in the shadows

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/RapidR/PC090033.jpg

Irregular votive holder in position number 4? (from the left)

[rocketman]

Good call, RM. I missed it. But there is light fall off as well as reduced depth of focus. Things farther are darker, generally.

Can't wait to find out what it is.

All this talk of a photography forum is gettin' me excited. Don't tease me now. . . .

I vote for Kbasa's name and motto. Mmmmmm. . . . Punny. . . .


i'm actually quite serious, but have no clue how one goes about forwarding the idea...


if only we had someone here who knows someone on the board or something....
:brow

RM

[rocketman]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/RapidR/PC090033.jpg

Irregular votive holder in position number 4? (from the left)


Hmmmm, i was going to say number four (from the left) as well, but didn't you first say number 5, or am I going wacko (don't answer that!)

Shaddow of loop is pointed the opposite way as the others and the glass is maybe not as well made or otherwise differant since the rim seems to have of bumpieness. though with glass such imperfections are not unusual, esp if it is older or hand made.

RM

[Rapid_Roy]

I think Tom ands RM nailed it. The hook was bent the wrong way on the 4th one from the left.
You can see it in the shadows. *Note to self Do not try and fool Tom, he has sharp eyes. Still try and fool RM though, just because*:laugh
My clue was too good wasn't it?

[tourunigo]

I think Tom ands RM nailed it. The hook was bent the wrong way on the 4th one from the left.
You can see it in the shadows. *Note to self Do not try and fool Tom, he has sharp eyes. Still try and fool RM though, just because*:laugh
My clue was too good wasn't it?

ha... I had posted the same answer and then thought ... I don't really know what a votive is... so I deleted and went to look it up. Damn... there's never a shortage of things to learn here! -Bob

[SNC1923]

Hmmmm, i was going to say number four (from the left) as well, but didn't you first say number 5, or am I going wacko (don't answer that!)

Shaddow of loop is pointed the opposite way as the others and the glass is maybe not as well made or otherwise differant since the rim seems to have of bumpieness. though with glass such imperfections are not unusual, esp if it is older or hand made.

RM

RM got it, not me. I noticed the hook going in the different direction, but I didn't think it as an imperfection. To be honest, by "votive holder" I meant the glass.

Grew up Catholic. I lit a thousand votive candles.

RM: You are not going crazy. I DID say five and went back and edited it.

note to self: it would be fiendishly easy to make RM think he's losing his mind. . . . from now on immediately alter all replies just slightly.

[franze]

I think the crew is worried on you getting burned out. I suggest you make the assignment and everybody sticks to the rules ( I found that Titling or is it Titleing) the photo was both fun and made me think............:banghead Everybody self-edits there weekend masterpieces and submits one photo to the "Assignment" thread. In addition to the Assignment there is a companion thread of the same topic called "Gallery" Here is where we can post our other masterpieces and frolic about with comments regarding our fellow submitters ( uh, that's a word, ain't it?) work. You can peruse the gallery and add pictures from there to your critiques when they illustrate techniques that we can learn from.

Oh, that's not a cat in "Good boy" that is a person walking their dog inside the mall. It's the upper level of a staircase I was on. I saw this exact image, went the 5 minutes back to my house to retrieve my camera, and lurked on the landing waiting for another shopper to parade their dog inside the mall as for the Swiss and the French walking dogs inside malls and restaurants is a "pattern".

[rocketman]

I think Tom ands RM nailed it. The hook was bent the wrong way on the 4th one from the left.
You can see it in the shadows. *Note to self Do not try and fool Tom, he has sharp eyes. Still try and fool RM though, just because*:laugh
My clue was too good wasn't it?
Boy are you in for it now!:stick

RM

(not sure how, but I'll think of something, well given enough time anyway!):wave

[rocketman]

RM got it, not me. I noticed the hook going in the different direction, but I didn't think it as an imperfection. To be honest, by "votive holder" I meant the glass.

Grew up Catholic. I lit a thousand votive candles.

RM: You are not going crazy. I DID say five and went back and edited it.

]note to self: it would be fiendishly easy to make RM think he's losing his mind. . . . from now on immediately alter all replies just slightly.[/COLOR]

I HEARD THAT!! Believe me I don't need any help in that dept. thank you very much.

RM

(something to do with surviving the 60's and 70's, I think???):brad

[lamble]

If I can't make it, I'll send a picture with Hodag.
Here is my pattern.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/RapidR/PC090033.jpg

Well obviously there's the hook facing the wrong way on votive 4, but isn't the real error a taupe wall colour with a black decoration, where the main metal elements are not barley sugar twist with a blue and lime wash distressed effect, and that glass, well let's just say it's not cut glass Waterford is it?

I must stop looking at Mrs L's magazines!

[Rapid_Roy]

Well obviously there's the hook facing the wrong way on votive 4, but isn't the real error a taupe wall colour with a black decoration, where the main metal elements are not barley sugar twist with a blue and lime wash distressed effect, and that glass, well let's just say it's not cut glass Waterford is it?

I must stop looking at Mrs L's magazines!
No, I must wash the wall. It's white.:laugh

Don't you dare malign that, we paid 6 dollars for it.
What you are really saying is I should stop letting my wife go shopping alone. That is where she is right now!:banghead

[Rapid_Roy]

Boy are you in for it now!:stick

RM

(not sure how, but I'll think of something, well given enough time anyway!):wave
Sorry. I feel you are a kindred spirit.:brad :stick

I am worried about hurting myself laughing should we ever meet in person. It's a good thing.
:wave

[lamble]

No, I must wash the wall. It's white.:laugh

Don't you dare malign that, we paid 6 dollars for it.
What you are really saying is I should stop letting my wife go shopping alone. That is where she is right now!:banghead

Women and scented candles? Where in the evolutionary calendar did those two converge?

Mrs L, can rarely take a bath, without first bedecking the bathroom like a saint's shrine. And all those years striving for electricity...wasted!

White you say. I'll give you eggshell...now I'm frightening myself!

[rocketman]

Women and scented candles? Where in the evolutionary calendar did those two converge?

Mrs L, can rarely take a bath, without first bedecking the bathroom like a saint's shrine. And all those years striving for electricity...wasted!

White you say. I'll give you eggshell...now I'm frightening myself!

Oh, god, I'm going to hurt myself if this insanity keeps up!

Please Tom, save us all and post the next challenge! Ha Ha!

RM

[MLS2GO]

This is a gazing ball in our front yard. The base is an antique from a long closed Downtown Kansas City MO Department Store Harzfeld's. We have the original ball, but the one you see is a new one. I took the shot hand held looking straight down at the top of the ball on an overcast day. Thanks for playing along.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/232142844-L.jpg

[rocketman]

This is a gazing ball in our front yard. The base is an antique from a long closed Downtown Kansas City MO Department Store Harzfeld's. We have the original ball, but the one you see is a new one. I took the shot hand held looking straight down at the top of the ball on an overcast day. Thanks for playing along.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/232142844-L.jpg


We also have a gazing ball in our yard and I have been thinking of trying a Escher type photo using it based on his hand holding the ball showing his reflection. With the addition of the snow/frost on top that could be a lot fun. If you're unfamiliar with the print of which I speak it is this one

http://www.mcescher.com/Gallery/ital-bmp/LW268.jpg

I've tried my hand at a simple sketch based on this, it is amazingly difficult to get the proportions correct.

RM

[SNC1923]

I think the crew is worried on you getting burned out. I suggest you make the assignment and everybody sticks to the rules ( I found that Titling or is it Titleing) the photo was both fun and made me think............:banghead Everybody self-edits there weekend masterpieces and submits one photo to the "Assignment" thread. In addition to the Assignment there is a companion thread of the same topic called "Gallery" Here is where we can post our other masterpieces and frolic about with comments regarding our fellow submitters ( uh, that's a word, ain't it?) work. You can peruse the gallery and add pictures from there to your critiques when they illustrate techniques that we can learn from.

Oh, that's not a cat in "Good boy" that is a person walking their dog inside the mall. It's the upper level of a staircase I was on. I saw this exact image, went the 5 minutes back to my house to retrieve my camera, and lurked on the landing waiting for another shopper to parade their dog inside the mall as for the Swiss and the French walking dogs inside malls and restaurants is a "pattern".

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner.

This is very thoughtful and I appreciate how many people seem to be concerned about the workload on these threads. I think your ideas are quite good. We had the "anarchy" threads for a while. . . . Not sure why those fell by the wayside. I think a given assignment seems to be a single conversation and perhaps we are reluctant to split it in two.

Rocketman has thrown a proposal out to the web team about having our own photography home. Maybe one would take care of the other. I've been kicking around a number of ideas for the assignment threads, some or none of which could be implemented with the new year. It would be simple enough for me to set up a "Gallery" thread with each assignment. I guess I just want to hear what others think. There's more than a handful of regulars who have a vested interest. What do you all think about having a Gallery/Anarchy thread for each assignment?

[rocketman]

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner.

This is very thoughtful and I appreciate how many people seem to be concerned about the workload on these threads. I think your ideas are quite good. We had the "anarchy" threads for a while. . . . Not sure why those fell by the wayside. I think a given assignment seems to be a single conversation and perhaps we are reluctant to split it in two.

Rocketman has thrown a proposal out to the web team about having our own photography home. Maybe one would take care of the other. I've been kicking around a number of ideas for the assignment threads, some or none of which could be implemented with the new year. It would be simple enough for me to set up a "Gallery" thread with each assignment. I guess I just want to hear what others think. There's more than a handful of regulars who have a vested interest. What do you all think about having a Gallery/Anarchy thread for each assignment?


Well being the photo post whore I am quite naturally I think its a great idea!:thumb Of course then I'm going to have pick and choose my shots for the main thread more carefully (oddly enough the one that folks liked best from my last set was the one I had the most doubts about, :scratch ) which really might again be another way to learn about the work you submit. If there was a parallel thread or gallery then you could always add comments there, such my fellings above, and in so doing still get some feed back. here again, as you get to "know" your audience you learn something, that ability is also a part of photography. Which is not to say that should be the main factor by any means, but rather it is just another skill. As you share your work, you will come to know better what is most likely to please the individual/group with which you wish to share those images.

RM

[lamble]

This is a gazing ball in our front yard. The base is an antique from a long closed Downtown Kansas City MO Department Store Harzfeld's. We have the original ball, but the one you see is a new one. I took the shot hand held looking straight down at the top of the ball on an overcast day. Thanks for playing along.

http://mls2go.smugmug.com/photos/232142844-L.jpg


You evil so and so. There's no way I'd ever have guessed that!
I didn't even know they existed...shame on you for being so obscure. In future may I please request you stick to indoor decorations, where at least if I can't work out what it is, I can refer to a dulux colour chart and make fun of your paint scheme. Respectfully yours...:thumb

[rocketman]

You evil so and so. There's no way I'd ever have guessed that!
I didn't even know they existed...shame on you for being so obscura. In future may I please request you stick to indoor decorations, where at least if I can't work out what it is, I can refer to a dulux colour chart and make fun of your paint scheme. Respectfully yours...:thumb

No, THIS is a CAMERA OBSCURA!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Camera_obscura_box.jpg/180px-

or this one

http://cliffhouseproject.com/history/camera/sfco[1].jpg
at the clifhouse project in SF. Say we should send Kbase on a mission to photograph this and report back, looks totally kool! talk about getting "in to your work" ! Ha Ha!

RM

[KBasa]

http://cliffhouseproject.com/history/camera/sfco[1].jpg
at the clifhouse project in SF. Say we should send Kbase on a mission to photograph this and report back, looks totally kool! talk about getting "in to your work" ! Ha Ha!

RM

Woah. Is this a giant camera obscura?

[franze]

Woah. Is this a giant camera obscura?

Yes, and it works. It's behind what used to be called the Cliff House, or maybe your more familiar with Pronto Pups. OK, near the Sutro Baths, then head down hill towards Seal Rock.

[rocketman]

Woah. Is this a giant camera obscura?

linky one Giant Camera (http://brightbytes.com/cosite/sanfran.html)

linky two Clif House Project SF (http://www.cliffhouseproject.com/)


You should go check it out.

RM

[sonnata]

Yes, and it works. It's behind what used to be called the Cliff House, or maybe your more familiar with Pronto Pups. OK, near the Sutro Baths, then head down hill towards Seal Rock.
Is that near the dog park near Land's End?

[franze]

Is that near the dog park near Land's End?

OK, that's pretty close. The road along the ocean by Ocean Beach is called The Great Highway, at the north end it's called Pt. Lobos Ave. The GIANT CAMERA is right where Pt. Lobos avenue takes the hook inland (eastward) at the top of the hill.

[sonnata]

OK, that's pretty close. The road along the ocean by Ocean Beach is called The Great Highway, at the north end it's called Pt. Lobos Ave. The GIANT CAMERA is right where Pt. Lobos avenue takes the hook inland (eastward) at the top of the hill.
Oh, yeah, that is close. I've only been there one time. I thought I recognized one of the rocks with all the bird crap on it. Probably a bunch of those of the coast there.

There's a shot of that camera on Google Earth which someone took from the Cliff House.