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kreinke
11-23-2007, 03:51 PM
This past summer I wrote a short essay about the very subject in this thread (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21885).

It didn't make in in to ON as I had hoped but here it is for you all to enjoy.

What is a Real Motorcycle?

Karl F. Reinke BMWMOA #121830

Every Wednesday I attend (read: crash) a coffee clutch at the local McDonald’s consisting of anywhere from two to six members of the local Christian Motorcyclists Association.

Note: Anyone offended by anything related to Christianity skip the next paragraph because it contains a bible quote.

By definition the Bible states that a church is “the assembly of called men who believe the divine truth in the heart, confess it from the mouth, and promise to have communion with the saints (Acts 2:41-42)”

Note that the definition of Church doesn’t mention anything about buildings, hymns, or bishops.

Mind you, I’m no Bible thumper. I find myself using the “F” word way too much and my temper sometimes gets the best of me. If anything, I’m more one of the people they’re probably trying to save.

Since my work does not allow me to go on Sundays I figure that attending these little gatherings and talking about the things that are really important (God, family, and of course motorcycles) is just the thing a heathen like myself needs.

The pastor in the group owns both a Harley Ultra-thingamabob and a big Yamaha XS 1100. One of the other guys, Jim, rides a big Suzuki Boulevard tourer but used to own a Beemer and before that, cut his teeth on BSA’s. One of the other older guys rides a Venture Royale and a couple others ride Goldwings.

I’ve found these guys to be hard-core riders...not posers by any sense of the word. Rain doesn’t deter them. Most are retired but the guy with the Boulevard commutes to work rain-or-shine and well into the sub-freezing temperatures.

One recent Wednesday while we were discussing family values and the whole Anne-Nicole-Britney world we live in. The injustice of how a court battle over a dead celebrity’s corpse had more news coverage than a single insurgent attack that left twenty of our finest dead.

Unable to solve the world’s problems with a budget less than the U.N.’s, the talk invariably wandered to bikes.

“You know, you unless you have a Harley you don’t have a real motorcycle,” said the Pastor while winking at me.

He was obviously baiting me. (Am I going to hell for not buying a Harley? More on how I answered him in a minute.)
This got me thinking. What is the definition of a “real” motorcycle. Is it a Harley or a Brough Superior? Ducati or Honda? Cruiser or Tupperware torpedo?

I currently have two motorcycles. My main horse is my ‘04 BMW R1150R. My secondary ride is my ‘78 Honda CB550K clubman.

My first bike was a BMW F650. A great bike. Light handling, plenty of power, fantastic gas mileage. My second was a vintage Yamaha Vision, then my wife’s V-star (rest in pieces), my Beemer (traded the F650 in on it) then my CB (which I pulled from a barn and lovingly returned to service).

The V-star was hard on my back and was so lacking in power it couldn’t get out of its own way, the Vision had a frame that was so flexible that even the most minor mid-corner bumps would upset the chassis, the F650 had soft front forks and sounded like a sewing machine. The CB? It handles OK but the brakes are kind of wooden and I sometimes forget to downshift and end up lugging out of corners.

The interesting thing is that while I can find some “character flaws” in most every bike, none really come to mind when I think of my big, heavy, burly BMW Roadster. It’s pretty much felt like a broken in slipper from the time I left the dealership to take it home.

Every motorcyclist has that one bike they wish they’d never gotten rid of or the one they have they can’t stay off. That latter describes the Beemer.

It rides great, looks really tough, has plenty of power, corners like it’s on rails, and has a quiet exhaust which lets you hear an absolutely intoxicating growl from the airbox.

But there’s something more.

Time seems to stand still when I’m on the Boxer. It instinctively seems to go where I want it seemingly without any conscious input. It doesn’t seem to make any unnecessary demands on its rider and if it does, I don’t know about it.

There seems to be, if I can use an overused corporate term, a synergy there. Whereas I do have fun on the Honda and it’s a pleasure to ride, it lacks that connection; the part where you forget that you and the motorcycle are two separate entities; man and machine.

The motorcycle either becomes a sort of extension of your body or it’s actually alive and you are it’s ride-along guest on a special adventure.

So how did I answer Pastor?

“You’re right. It isn’t a motorcycle. Anything with two wheels and a motor can be considered a motorcycle. My BMW is much more.”

“How so?” he asked.

“It’s lots of things. It’s a time machine because I lose sense of time when riding it. It’s my therapy couch because problems seem to work themselves out in my head after a long ride. But most of all, it’s a sort of my own personal magic carpet.”

He nodded in a manner that communicated to me he knew exactly what I was talking about. The others at the table did the same.

It’s not what makes a real motorcycle but rather what makes the motorcycle real that’s important.

It’s that relationship, cyborgian and anthropomorphic at the same time, that makes certain bikes different from all the others. It’s that something that transcends displacement, cylinder arrangements, top speeds, metric or American.

You can take guys from opposite ends of the two-wheeled world that love their bikes and listen to them and think they were describing the same machine.

I guess I’m pretty happy to have that “one bike” sitting in my garage and to have been able to resist the temptation to try others.



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KGT1200
11-23-2007, 04:22 PM
We hired a new maintenance guy at work, who cam pulling up in the spot today next to my GS, riding on a Yamaha thing-a-ma-bob wanna be a harley, chromed and leather thingy with fat tires and a fake harley exhaust, and before I got my hemet off (btw, he had no helmet on, and was riding in a cotton Twins warm up jacket, gold chain still swinging around his neck) he says to me, "so you want to see a REAL bike" and gives me this turd eating smile as I stuff my Hi Viz in my bag. Mind you this is a 60 yr old somthing man, not a youngster who could have his arrogance excused due to youth...

When I first saw him coming, I was going to be nice, and ask him what kind of bike, what HP, what torque, where he has ridden, yadayadayada..

But based on his inital response (challange?), I just smiled, grabbed my brief case, and went on with my day...sheesh!

Why the posturing? Makes you wonder...

rkasal
11-23-2007, 04:24 PM
I would have used the F word too, right when that pastor made that comment. But, some are more patient than me.

BMWDEAN
11-23-2007, 04:47 PM
Here's a "real motorcycle" to my way of thinking below. And, yes, I am an atheist (a member of America's most detested minority), though I hope believers might appreciate this real motorcycle anyway.

97077
11-23-2007, 05:11 PM
Thanks Karl
You are one of the few that get it. I mean the brand can be any but the connection is to me that makes a bike real or not.
I choose BMW because I love the old Air Heads. Great looking, easy to work on (Thanks Mac). To me these bikes are special. Could I ride any other? I could buy any bike I choose. That makes my bike real.
I know this will never happen. But if people would just ride the bike they want and not the bike they think they should we would all enjoy the sport more.
As far as the Bible verse goes. Thank you, We need his grace now more than ever.
Ride safe. Kevin:brow

rkasal
11-23-2007, 05:32 PM
Here's a "real motorcycle" to my way of thinking below. And, yes, I am an atheist (America's most detested minority), though I hope believers might appreciate this real motorcycle anyway.

Now that is a real bike. Almost as good as Playboy. Almost.

Regards,


Randy Kasal

flash412
11-23-2007, 05:38 PM
Here's a "real motorcycle" to my way of thinking below. And, yes, I am an atheist (America's most detested minority), though I hope believers might appreciate this real motorcycle anyway.Maybe everyone can appreciate a bumper stickie I saw...

"God made me an atheist. Just who are YOU to question HIS action?"

Jamming
11-23-2007, 05:53 PM
Here's a "real motorcycle" to my way of thinking below. And, yes, I am an atheist (America's most detested minority), though I hope believers might appreciate this real motorcycle anyway.

Yes, we are Dean. Wonder why?

BTW...THAT'S a REAL motorcycle....love the color.

Cliffy777
11-23-2007, 05:57 PM
Back to the thread.
Well said, er written. I like your essay.
The real motorcycle is the one that you really feel at home on.
Of course I am in your camp on account of my 2004 Rockster - I find myself saying "Man, I love this bike." at least once a week as I ride to or from work or on some kinda errand. It is the real bike to me because it has enough HP and get up and go for me. It corners just right for me. I feel I am at one with it - I am not sitting on it, but am a part of it.
I have another bike - one to get me through the winter in Michigan. It is a 25 year old Yamaha XT550 - goes by the name of Newt on account of the neutral light is always on. I enjoy the heck out of Newt, but he is not my real motorcycle, the Rockster is. Don't get me wrong, I get a real kick out of riding a bike that weighs a whole lot less than the Rockster and that I can easily take a gravel road or a two track with, but Newt is just my dirty little buddy that fills in for the Rockster.

osbornk
11-23-2007, 06:06 PM
I've had about a dozen bikes (including 4 BMWs) and only three have "fitme like a glove". The rest were just bikes. Years ago I had a 700 cc V4 Honda Magna with shaft drive. I still miss it and the friend who bought it from me still has it. The other two are my R80RT and my CLC. The others lacked personality to me (including 2 K bikes) and were just bikes that I didn't miss when they left me. I replaced the Magna with a K bike and I knew it was a mistake before he picked it up. The boxers felt right the first time I got on them.

97077
11-24-2007, 02:58 AM
Maybe everyone can appreciate a bumper stickie I saw...

"God made me an atheist. Just who are YOU to question HIS action?"

That sticker makes no sense. First, Atheist don't believe in God. Second, God doesn't make atheist, the person chooses to be atheist. That is why God is so great he lets you choose your path.:brow

OldAndBusted
11-24-2007, 09:55 AM
Here's a "real motorcycle" to my way of thinking below.
if there is a god, and he makes motorcycles, that's his model :thumb


i'm an atheist too, but i offer this pic to counter yours:
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/RevDrMosesPLester/rally%2007/th_IMG_0799.jpg (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/RevDrMosesPLester/rally%2007/IMG_0799.jpg)
(clicky)

pirana
11-24-2007, 10:11 AM
I don't know if my GS is a "real motorcycle" or not but it fits the definition I have in my head pretty well. By the way, i'm a "real atheist" myself!

kreinke
11-24-2007, 10:12 AM
if there is a god, and he makes motorcycles, that's his model :thumb


i'm an atheist too, but i offer this pic to counter yours:
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/RevDrMosesPLester/rally%2007/th_IMG_0799.jpg (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/RevDrMosesPLester/rally%2007/IMG_0799.jpg)
(clicky)
Is that duct tape holding your tank bag on?:stick

OldAndBusted
11-25-2007, 01:06 AM
Is that duct tape holding your tank bag on?:stick
no it's holding the tool box lid shut :brow

kbasa
11-25-2007, 10:06 AM
Real motorcycle? Whichever one I can get a ride on.

wilcox
11-25-2007, 10:35 AM
+1 Dave. Having ridden a variety of them as most have, you sense becoming one with the machine, or not. Yeah I've ridden on bikes and that was just what it was, like a casual relationship that you can take or leave. On the real motorcycle it creates a chemistry of two, like a relationship somewhere in time that makes the bike a memorable part of the rider. I guess you can draw lot's of parallels. What kind, where, how long does it take? Doesn't matter (so don't try to tell me pal). But when it happens you get that feeling that keeps you both coming back for more.

eosnut
11-25-2007, 10:42 AM
Hello everyone,

I'm new around here and probably don't have the right to make waves yet. But as a Christian I found it offensive to be lumped in with the atheist bashers. I respect everyone's right to believe what they want. Anybody who can offer a ready defense for what they believe in has my total respect. I don't respect those who just "follow the pack", whether they be Christian, Atheist, Moslem, etc. I think you should know why you believe what you believe. The same goes for "moto-fanaticism". If you think Harleys are best, defend your position. If it's BMW, Honda, Suzuki, et al, know why. It makes for much more productive and enjoyable conversation.

I read the posting guides as soon as I joined this group. Does the following not apply to this thread?

Quote: Posts should have some level of BMW or motorcycling content. It may be small, but it should have some content that revolves around BMW motorcycles. We want to discourage discussion about religion, guns in tankbags, the value of emission controls and other items that make people start foaming at the mouth. Items in Campfire, our off topic forum, should still contain some type of motorcycle or forum related content Like it's said, "Nothing kills polite conversation like religion or politics." If you really want to talk about those kinds of things, there are plenty of forums available to let you get it all out. The moderators may be able to direct you to one they're familiar with.

I know I just violated this too with the beginning of this post. But mom, everyone was doing it!

My $0.02

Rod

Rod Sheridan
11-26-2007, 07:58 AM
If you have more than one motorcycle, the "real" motorcycle is the one you ride the most.

If you are decisive enough to have only one motorcycle, it by definition is the "real" motorcycle.

2BikeMike
11-26-2007, 10:23 AM
Hello everyone,

I'm new around here and probably don't have the right to make waves yet. But as a Christian I found it offensive to be lumped in with the atheist bashers. I respect everyone's right to believe what they want. Anybody who can offer a ready defense for what they believe in has my total respect. I don't respect those who just "follow the pack", whether they be Christian, Atheist, Moslem, etc. I think you should know why you believe what you believe. The same goes for "moto-fanaticism". If you think Harleys are best, defend your position. If it's BMW, Honda, Suzuki, et al, know why. It makes for much more productive and enjoyable conversation.

I read the posting guides as soon as I joined this group. Does the following not apply to this thread?

Quote: Posts should have some level of BMW or motorcycling content. It may be small, but it should have some content that revolves around BMW motorcycles. We want to discourage discussion about religion, guns in tankbags, the value of emission controls and other items that make people start foaming at the mouth. Items in Campfire, our off topic forum, should still contain some type of motorcycle or forum related content Like it's said, "Nothing kills polite conversation like religion or politics." If you really want to talk about those kinds of things, there are plenty of forums available to let you get it all out. The moderators may be able to direct you to one they're familiar with.

I know I just violated this too with the beginning of this post. But mom, everyone was doing it!

My $0.02

Rod

The original post did have some motorcycle related information to it. I thought at first he was gonna ream the Pastor out for his remark about the real bike bit. I get that myself from time to time, it's just that you have to remove the chip from your shoulder. His post kinda wandered abit, but he finally got to the subject (that was, I suspect why it was not published in the ON) JMO. I would think that these posts are hard to modereate at times, so unless it really stirs up a stink, the moderater will tend to let things slide. Just my 2 cents.

lamble
11-26-2007, 10:51 AM
Not too long ago I had the opportunity to ride a scooter. It was a yamaha, but I can't recall the name-something suitably frisky-it was an absolute blast and I loved every moment. Granted it wasn't suited to massive mile munching tours, but then again a fully decked out GSA isn't the ideal town runaround either.

So my conclusion is this, a proper bike is what suits your riding requirements. If you have different requirements from your biking, you can either specialise, or find a happy medium.
Therefore a Harley rider in leather tassled chaps feels they need them to achieve their riding goals, just as the BMW riders in the grey uniform texture suits feel they need their accessories, meanwhile the scooter folk are just buzzin' along having a great time...go scooters.

If this is a philosophy (it isn't, but could be read that way), then you could apply it to folk's attitude to selecting their beliefs. Don't know who you would say the scooter riders were though, but I'd probably join them.

Braddog
11-26-2007, 01:38 PM
I liked the essay, very good. I really understand your answer to the pastor.

As for me, I liked Kbasa's answer.

I like riding my BMW's. I like riding my RD250. I like riding my son-in-law's CB550 and his 650 Nighthawk.

All real motorcycles. And so many, many more out there...

Rapid_Roy
11-26-2007, 02:14 PM
Hello everyone,

I'm new around here and probably don't have the right to make waves yet. But as a Christian I found it offensive to be lumped in with the atheist bashers. I respect everyone's right to believe what they want. Anybody who can offer a ready defense for what they believe in has my total respect. I don't respect those who just "follow the pack", whether they be Christian, Atheist, Moslem, etc. I think you should know why you believe what you believe. The same goes for "moto-fanaticism". If you think Harleys are best, defend your position. If it's BMW, Honda, Suzuki, et al, know why. It makes for much more productive and enjoyable conversation.

I read the posting guides as soon as I joined this group. Does the following not apply to this thread?

Quote: Posts should have some level of BMW or motorcycling content. It may be small, but it should have some content that revolves around BMW motorcycles. We want to discourage discussion about religion, guns in tankbags, the value of emission controls and other items that make people start foaming at the mouth. Items in Campfire, our off topic forum, should still contain some type of motorcycle or forum related content Like it's said, "Nothing kills polite conversation like religion or politics." If you really want to talk about those kinds of things, there are plenty of forums available to let you get it all out. The moderators may be able to direct you to one they're familiar with.

I know I just violated this too with the beginning of this post. But mom, everyone was doing it!

My $0.02

Rod

It was relevant to motorcycles, it just happened to be a group of Christian Motorcyclists, but that conversation has happened in many different times and places. He bashed no other brands and gave a dignified answer. I think it fits the forum guidelines and..... Welcome!:wave

sfdave
11-26-2007, 04:51 PM
A real motorcycle is the one I happen to be riding at the time.
I've been on some real junkers in the third world, but ya know what, when it was all said and done it was all part of the motorcycle adventure. (no brakes, broken clutch levers and all)

2wheelsdaily
11-26-2007, 05:02 PM
The statement that a particular motorcycle brand is the "real motorcycle" is a ridiculous statement. Would that make all other brands "unreal motorcycles"? There's no one bike that does everything better than every other bike or that fits every different person just right. Makes no sense to make a statement like that and you can bet the guy or gal that makes such a statement seriously is pretty thin between the ears. Take that into consideration when you hear it.

That's not a shot against the Pastor who was apparently kidding when he said it.

tessler
11-26-2007, 06:56 PM
Good thread, Karl ("Karl"... Who knew? Rock on!).

It makes me think of this picture:

http://www.usc.edu/programs/cst/deadfiles/lacasis/ansc100/library/images/336tn.jpg


Here's a "real motorcycle" to my way of thinking below. And, yes, I am an atheist (a member of America's most detested minority), though I hope believers might appreciate this real motorcycle anyway.
Yes, we are Dean. Wonder why?

BTW...THAT'S a REAL motorcycle....love the color.
if there is a god, and he makes motorcycles, that's his model :thumb

i'm an atheist too, but i offer this pic to counter yours:
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/RevDrMosesPLester/rally%2007/th_IMG_0799.jpg (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/RevDrMosesPLester/rally%2007/IMG_0799.jpg)
(clicky)
I don't know if my GS is a "real motorcycle" or not but it fits the definition I have in my head pretty well. By the way, i'm a "real atheist" myself!

Wow. I have company! Who knew? :thumb