Political Affiliation

[OfficerImpersonator]

Anonymous poll where members state their political party preference.

[PGlaves]

Oh sure. I know you guys are tracking my key strokes and mouse clicks.:nyah

[jdmetzger]

I thought the poll creator could see the results, even with an anonymous poll? That, and the moderators. I don't care that much. I voted, but I'm not going to talk about it. I probably have enough people on here who don't like me, already. :D

[PAULBACH]

I'm a Roosevelt Republican. Those were the days.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Famous%20Mugs/Teddy.jpg

[kbasa]

I thought the poll creator could see the results, even with an anonymous poll? That, and the moderators. I don't care that much. I voted, but I'm not going to talk about it. I probably have enough people on here who don't like me, already. :D

Admins can see, but that's it. Poll creators can not see who voted.

[BubbaZanetti]

Admins can see, but that's it. Poll creators can not see who voted.


nor can i, don't worry:D

[tessler]

nor can i, don't worry:D
Now I'm worried!


:D

[tessler]

So you are telling me that the Republicans were the first to have Brokeback Mountain ? :nono Bears ? So the charging up San Juan Hill had another side ?

:ha:ha:ha
Chris, please say it ain't so!

[kbasa]

Like the other thread, this one will also not end well.

[Belquar]

Like the other thread, this one will also not end well.

(cue ominous music)

The sausage prophet has spoken. Now this thread is doomed as well. Have mercy on us Kingbasa. :ha :stick

[widebmw]

What's not good for this forum:

While we encourage you to post, we also want everyone to adhere to some basic rules of behavior.

We understand that sometimes someone may just cheese you off and before you get a moment to collect your happy thoughts and provide a thoughtful retort, you post a rude comment about some sort of interesting body manipulation. We're here to point those comments out and to help you help us keep this place pleasant.

Posts should have some level of BMW or motorcycling content. It may be small, but it should have some content that revolves around BMW motorcycles. We want to discourage discussion about religion, guns in tankbags, the value of emission controls and other items that make people start foaming at the mouth. Items in Campfire, our off topic forum, should still contain some type of motorcycle or forum related content Like it's said, "Nothing kills polite conversation like religion or politics." If you really want to talk about those kinds of things, there are plenty of forums available to let you get it all out. The moderators may be able to direct you to one they're familiar with.

[jdmetzger]

(cue ominous music)

The sausage prophet has spoken. Now this thread is doomed as well. Have mercy on us Kingbasa. :ha :stick

He knows all! He sees all!

http://homepage.mac.com/edandhelen/iblog/C605282913/E20061024092136/Media/Carnac.jpg

[rkasal]

What's not good for this forum:

While we encourage you to post, we also want everyone to adhere to some basic rules of behavior.

We understand that sometimes someone may just cheese you off and before you get a moment to collect your happy thoughts and provide a thoughtful retort, you post a rude comment about some sort of interesting body manipulation. We're here to point those comments out and to help you help us keep this place pleasant.

Posts should have some level of BMW or motorcycling content. It may be small, but it should have some content that revolves around BMW motorcycles. We want to discourage discussion about religion, guns in tankbags, the value of emission controls and other items that make people start foaming at the mouth. Items in Campfire, our off topic forum, should still contain some type of motorcycle or forum related content Like it's said, "Nothing kills polite conversation like religion or politics." If you really want to talk about those kinds of things, there are plenty of forums available to let you get it all out. The moderators may be able to direct you to one they're familiar with.

Don't tell us what is and is not good for this forum or for speech in general. I even think liberals, dumb as they are, have the right to speak and I'm the last one to tell them to shut up or tell them how they are supposed to think. Even though Liberals are always the first to tell others how they are or are not supposed to think.

[widebmw]

Actually those are the guidelines.

Read them.:banghead

http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4363

[PAULBACH]

Poor Old Teddy

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Smilies/pchit.gif

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Smilies/lurking.gif

Just in case - all is this is supposed to be humor.

[Belquar]

they are the guidelines. But by definition, guidelines leave some room to wiggle. As it is, if people can remain civil, it is ok. It is when people take it too personally and start fighting like schoolyard children.

It boils down to nothing. You aren't going to change how other people feel on a online forum. We are all adults. We all can think for ourselves. I think the threads are fine as long as people keep their cool. I also think the mods give us all a lot of latitude to screw up and people still can't keep it straight.

Crazy kids.

[BubbaZanetti]

I even think liberals, dumb as they are, have the right to speak and I'm the last one to tell them to shut up or tell them how they are supposed to think.

there's the kind of insulting talk that WILL get this thread shut down

keep it on track people.

[Ted]

Actually those are the guidelines.

LoL - I've always thought for truly civil political discussion it is important to cite credible references for claims (yes not only USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm), but even even CNN counts (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html) LoL).

:D

[BradfordBenn]

Now I'm worried!


:D

What you should be worried about is that Dr. Marvel is an Admin. :evil

[26667]

[QUOTE=rkasal;252126]Don't tell us what is and is not good for this forum

Get w the program. That's exactly what the moderators are there for. We can see where your politics lie, and what you kind of arguement you're looking for and you're welcome to all of it, but there are other places on the 'net for that type of....gosh...I'm not even sure how to politely characterise it. Discourse, I guess.

Check out the club canons. The fights you're trying to start are IMHO rather the opposite.

NNTR. I can already guess.

[ltljohn]

Do I hear a dog barking??

[Easy]

...... I even think liberals, dumb as they are.....


"It was all part of their 'nucular' stratigery...."
George W. Bush


Easy :german

[rmarkr]

"It was all part of their 'nucular' stratigery...."
George W. Bush


NICE!:nyah

[r11rs94]

Anonymous poll where members state their political party preference.

Its not easy being Red in a Blue State. :dance

[Rapid_Roy]

It's not easy being green
-Kermit the Frog :clap
manah manah!

[ScottM]

To get back to the poll, the bottom line is again the independent voters will decide the election. Time for a third party?

[henzilla]

hey , why is the Green Party not a green bar in the survey?:dunno :ha :ha :ha must be some conspiracy!
The third party seems to hurt/help both the Red & Blue.
Hangin w/Chad didn't hurt either:D

[PAULBACH]

To get back to the poll, the bottom line is again the independent voters will decide the election. Time for a third party?

Trivia question:Which third party candidate actually got elected?

[SIBUD]

Don't tell us what is and is not good for this forum or for speech in general. I even think liberals, dumb as they are, have the right to speak and I'm the last one to tell them to shut up or tell them how they are supposed to think. Even though Liberals are always the first to tell others how they are or are not supposed to think.


Pretty broad brush with which you paint liberals.

[kreinke]

Trivia question:Which third party candidate actually got elected?
"Fighting Bob" Lafollette and Teddy Roosevelt were both Progressives although they were never elected under that monicker (I like how the Republican's claim Roosevelt as one of there own. They conveniently forget that he ran for president as a Progessive).

Joe Lieberman was re-elected after pulling out of the Republican Party wasn't he?

Madison's Mayor, Dave Cieszeliwisz is a Progressive member.


Roosevelt and La Follette both were Republicans but left the party in disgust after seeing how corporations and money were corrupting government and becoming too powerful. (there is nothing new under the sun?).

[screwtop]

Thre's some inherint bias in the polling instrument. How come the "Republican" choice is presented in italics and all others are in regular font?

[sachiwilson]

I see "independent" in Italics. that's what I picked. I wonder if the Italics show up only after you vote?

[gambrinus]

I see "independent" in Italics. that's what I picked. I wonder if the Italics show up only after you vote?

You've been outed...


RW

[ScottM]

We have that now ? Democrats, Republicans, and those that don't vote.

Just a thought when Franco died there was 135 Parties running in Spain in 1976. Do you wish Labor Unions, Communist, Nazi, Native American, Hispanic, NRA, Para-military parties available to vote for ? Could you handle the NRA or Green Peace Party ? Since voter turn out is so low why should we have a President win with 5 % of the population. During the 20s and 30s laborers were frustrated and looking for hope. Is the Third Party thinking a sign of frustration in this time in history ?

Do we need additional parties ? After all if you allow three then what stops a fourth ?

How about changing the law and allowing Arnold to run for President ?

Just a bit barbed are we?? Guess you missed the point a bit. We do have multiple parties, unfortunately they really don't represent anything truely electable. As we all know a vote for Nader was a vote for George and a vote for Ross was a vote for Billy. Both got the nay sayers the exact opposite of what they wanted. Or maybe not, if they wished extra discomfort on their fellow voters.

Maybe getting a President with only 5% would wake up the special interest groups. After all it's all about money and power. What happened to we the People??

And of course, since I don't like Ms. Hillary I MUST want Aaaanold. Give me a break!!

[rkasal]

"Fighting Bob" Lafollette and Teddy Roosevelt were both Progressives although they were never elected under that monicker (I like how the Republican's claim Roosevelt as one of there own. They conveniently forget that he ran for president as a Progessive).

Joe Lieberman was re-elected after pulling out of the Republican Party wasn't he?

Madison's Mayor, Dave Cieszeliwisz is a Progressive member.


Roosevelt and La Follette both were Republicans but left the party in disgust after seeing how corporations and money were corrupting government and becoming too powerful. (there is nothing new under the sun?).


Joe Lieberman was a Democrat. He, along with Zell Miller, were the only sane Democrats on the national level in recent times. Both are no longer members of the Democratic Party.

[sachiwilson]

You've been outed...


RW

But as *what*? An independent votes for the candidate she believes is best for a post. I listen to Repubs, Dems, Progressives, Greens, and whomever else is out there, and make my choice.

[dronning]

Trivia question:Which third party candidate actually got elected?

In MN that'd be Jesse.

Dave

[kbasa]

But as *what*? An independent votes for the candidate she believes is best for a post. I listen to Repubs, Dems, Progressives, Greens, and whomever else is out there, and make my choice.

Same here. I've voted both sides of the fence, including voting for W in 2000. Lately, my disgust with the Republicans has blossomed to include the Democrats.

Both of our prime political parties have spent too much time fighting about issues like abortion, flag burning, gay marriage and other nonsense issues. The real issues are whether children are truly getting educated, whether we're going to go broke, whether AQ is going to bomb us again and the like.

We've got a serious problem with setting priorities that make sense. It's like everybody in the country has ADD or something.

[gambrinus]

Joe Lieberman was a Democrat. He, along with Zell Miller, were the only sane Democrats on the national level in recent times. Both are no longer members of the Democratic Party.

Lieberman and Miller are Democrats in the "old school" mold of Harry Truman. NO room for those guys in the the moveon.org, Hillary Clinton run party. The Republicans make room for guys like Rudy but the Dems push out Lieberman and Miller.. politics is funny stuff sometimes.


RW

[kreinke]

Joe Lieberman was a Democrat.

Ooops. I knew that. Getting so hard to tell the difference between Dems and Republicans these days.

[kreinke]

Both of our prime political parties have spent too much time fighting about issues like abortion, flag burning, gay marriage and other nonsense issues. The real issues are whether children are truly getting educated, whether we're going to go broke, whether AQ is going to bomb us again and the like.

We've got a serious problem with setting priorities that make sense. It's like everybody in the country has ADD or something.

Wow! You're the first person I've ever heard that actually "gets it".:clap :clap :clap

[535is]

Thre's some inherint bias in the polling instrument. How come the "Republican" choice is presented in italics and all others are in regular font?
:ha :rofl :bliss ... and you thought the Democrats were dumb?

Think of it as an 'exit poll'.

[Rapid_Roy]

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

The Who gets it. Who's next?

[bubbagazoo]

In the last provincial election here in Alberta, I voted by casting a blank ballot signifying "None of the above". I generally vote for the person who I believe is the best person to represent me. In the last provincial election, that was "None of the above". Just because the political party I support nominates somebody, it doesn't mean that I feel that person is qualified or would do a good job.

I believe that "None of the above" should be a choice on every ballot in every truly democratic election. And if that choice wins, then another election is held where the political parties have to nominate somebody new because if "None of the above" is the choice of the voters, then obviously none of the candidates were deemed worthy.

[Bigrider]

I thought politics was off limits for the forum (Maybe its my Airhead heritage). Maybe this will open the way for a religion poll. Any Zoroastrians out there?

Dave H
San Antonio, TX

[Muneio]

I thought politics was off limits for the forum (Maybe its my Airhead heritage). Maybe this will open the way for a religion poll. Any Zoroastrians out there?

Dave H
San Antonio, TX

Pastafarian here Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/). :beer

[Rapid_Roy]

I thought politics was off limits for the forum (Maybe its my Airhead heritage). Maybe this will open the way for a religion poll. Any Zoroastrians out there?

Dave H
San Antonio, TX
It's discouraged. That means only 2 or 3 threads.

I believe in God, but I try to only do it in a way that makes people angry.

[wezul]

Promise me everything but give me nothing.
Oh wait, that's another thread. :nyah

[Bigrider]

It's discouraged. That means only 2 or 3 threads.

Only 2 or 3???

Dave H
San Antonio, TX

[OfficerImpersonator]

My complaint with BOTH parties is that they are too far to the right.

Nixon would be a Democrat today. He was against interventionist wars, he signed the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act into law - if it wasn't for Watergate, his presidency would have been considered a success.

The Republican Party can't nominate anyone who doesn't pass the litmus test imposed by the religious right. If the Constitution was amended to allow Schwartzenegger (sp?) to run, he'd never win the nomination because he actually believes global warming to be real and the war on drugs to be a joke - the polar opposite of what the religious right believes. He's pro-choice and anti-death penalty - again, the opposite of the positions of the religious right, who are the king-makers of the Republican Party.

Similarly, the Democratic Party has become just as much of a party of big business and corporate America as the Republican Party. They take the endorsements of labor unions, but the campaign contributions of the tobacco, oil, defense and other industries just as much as Republicans. My Democratic Party has left me, and for that reason I no longer contribute to the party. My political contributions now go directly to candidates I agree with instead of to a slush fund that furthers the corporate control over our country.

We'd be in better shape if our system of government was based upon a parliamentary system instead of our executive/legislative system.

[wanderer]

In my Poli Sci classes it was explained that both major parties strive with great care to be as close to the center as possible to garner both the party faithful and to maximize the cross over vote.

In my case what it has accomplished is to seperate me from either. I have voted the same party in every presidential election since I was old enough to vote. I no longer believe that party or rather either party represent my interests.

It seems to me to be about war chest fund raising, tiptoeing around volital issues, being vague with answers on any major issue and pandering to major preceived voter blocks. I've really had it with party politics. (Guess that's kind of obvious, huh?) Currently I don't forsee anyone being elected President without being Democrat or Republican (listed in alphabetic order) which, in this American's view, really sucks. Maybe it's always been this way and I was just unaware. I do think the internet, the media, and general lack of civility has changed things in this country in the last couple of decades.

Not to single out any one area but I think the media has had a profound effect on how our nation functions. I've had a fair amount of media trainig and it scares me the degree to which a story can be "spun" to support the preconceived views of the media ownership. The media long, long ago quit reporting the news and currently plays a major role in creating the news. That level of influence, when mixed with politics, may be nation ending. It has proved time and again to be career ending.

I would edorse any candidate that would put in writing they would implement term limitations at 2 terms for all federal elected offices and line item veto. That would put a major dent in both lobbists and pork barrell. They woud have to put it in writing that they would accomplish this within 6 months or would resign their office. Yea, I know it's only a childish dream.

End of soap box. next! :buds

[gambrinus]

My complaint with BOTH parties is that they are too far to the right.
.

Hillary is too far to the right for your tastes?? WOW is that a strong statement... I obviously don't agree, but I'm willing to bet that you have some interesting views on things.


RW

[BubbaZanetti]

Hillary is too far to the right for your tastes?? WOW is that a strong statement... I obviously don't agree, but I'm willing to bet that you have some interesting views on things.


RW

he's not alone:D

hillary is fairly moderate

-comrade zanetti

[gambrinus]

he's not alone:D

hillary is fairly moderate

-comrade zanetti

You too?!?!? WOW! Do you really think her views are "moderate"??

In my twisted mind, Rudy is a "moderate". ie if he was a Democrat (like he IS in my view) he would be to the right of the greater mass of Dems, but as a Republican He's to the left of most Republicans.. to me, that's a middle of the masses "moderate"


RW

[Mudbug]

Any man can handle adversity. A true test of character is to see how he handles power.

[Crow18]

Any man can handle adversity. A true test of character is to see how he handles power.

It's true. Power does affect different people differently. Personally, I tend to get very jittery and find it difficult to speak or even think...





...but then I let go of whatever bare electrical contacts I've been touching, and I'm okay until the next time I have to rewire something.

[Pat Carol]

I am a member of the Keg Party. Tap a keg of beer and I am set.

PC