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KBasa
04-05-2003, 11:29 PM
When my brother and I were young, we had a couple Schwinn bikes. Our parents, sensible folks that they are, bought us pretty standard bicycles. Being boys, we took them out and started riding them around the dirt lots and through the trees and out in the woods and stuff. The fenders starting to get full of mud and the seats were too small for proper sliding back for wheelies and stuff, so we started taking them apart and changing them. They were still Schwinns, but they, well, they'd been altered somewhat.

I couldn't help but think of that when I was riding a 2004 Rockster today. Here was what at one time was a sensible enough motorcycle when it was just a regular old R1150R. It's so sensible that MrsKbasa, the queen of practicality, went out and spent her own money to buy one, without even having me ride it around.

Well, the Rockster is to the standard 1150R what my bike was to the Schwinn that rolled out of that factory in Chicago, it's been altered so little boys can go out and play with it and do the stuff little boys do with motorcycles, namely, ride them like a nut.

So, what did those crazy fun loving, totally whimsical Germans do to this bike to change it and how does it all work? Cary Littel and the guys at Marin BMW were kind enough to let me disappear with their one and only Rockster today so I could find out. Tina and I have an R11RS, an R1150R and an R11S in the garage, so I was interested to see if BMW could squeeze yet another meaningful variant out of the R259.

Well, first off, the Bavarians ditched everything north of the steering stem. They've built an instrument cluster that has GS headlights in a new shell, a little painted fly screen and a set of slightly reworked R11S instruments.

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Here's the view from the rider's side. Check the way kewl braided stainless brake line. They've changed the tach to white faced and the font on the instruments are different than they were on the S.

Ergonomics

They've pretty much gotten rid of the rise on the bars. They're very flat. However, when you combine them with a higher seat than the stock R comes with, they move the seating posture decidedly forward. The position is much roomier than a stock R. The bars are good for backroad work, but much above 75 or 80 and you start to feel like a parachute. In the twisties, this bike feels like nothing so much as a big dirt bike. It's highly flickable and reacts well to both bar and lower body steering inputs.

The original R bars, when measured from the center of the front edge of the seat, are 24" away. The rockster, by virtue of it's flatter, less pulled back bars, are 28" away. Additionally, they're wider by 1.5" over the standard bar's 32". All this adds up to a seating postion that's closer to an S bike than a standard R. Sit up and beg? Not on the Rockster. Get down with your bad self is more like it.

Down below, they've installed a completely blacked out Dual Spork drivetrain (yeah, don't the plug covers look like a spork?) The heads are a tasty blue that matches the framework, headlight cluster and various other bits.

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Note the nifty motor. It looks awfully nice all blacked out.

Powerplant

This is the first Dual Spark motor I've ridden and I'm amazed it took BMW this long to add the second plug, given the amazing difference it's made. On previous iterations of Oilheads, in either Motronic I or Motronic II flavors, throttle response was less than linear at low, just off idle revs. If you're coming around a switchback and you want to add just a little throttle, it would wind up coming on board as either fully engaged or not at all, almost like there was a binary switch in the throttle. The Dual Spark eliminates this phenomenon; you want a little throttle, you get a little throttle. It's nice. Any tendency to surge has been completely banished. At 3200 rpms, prime surging territory, the bike was absolutely steady. It starts and idles easily. The second plug hasn't eliminated the slight buzz that is part of the R259 experience, but the vibes are of the low frequency, low amplitude variety and don't cause issues with hands or feet numbness. I love the motor and can hardly wait to see how it works in the more powerful S variant.

Suspension

Suspension bits are lifted from the S, notably, the Sport Suspended version of the S. This bike is noticably taller than the stock R. Even with the low seat installed, a rider that was flat foot on the standard R is tippy toed on the Rockster. The suspension puts the pegs a full inch and a half higher off the ground.

We've got yer S bike sliders and Carbon Fiber fender up front, with Sport shock.....

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....and we've got yer big ol' 5.5 inch rim on the back with a Metzler M1 doing the the pavement/power interface. Check the stylio clear turn signals on the front and back. Who's going to make a clear brake/tail light?

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Riding impressions

I rode this bike in a wide variety of conditions, freeways, backroads of all types and varieties of tightness and gnarliness and through the city traffic of San Francisco.

At low speeds, it has the typical lightness that BWMs have when you're paddling around a parking lot or doing low speed manuevering like lane splitting. It's eminently easy to handle. On the freeway, the ride is plush, but could probably use more damping. Wind blast in intrusive after a while. A little windshield would go a long way toward making this bike ideal.

Backroads are this bike's forte. It wants to go around corners and it wants to do it all day long. At elevated speeds, it's composed and the Metzelers provide as much feedback as is typical for a Telelever equipped bike. Typical for a 'lever bike, the front end feels a little numb, but it sucks up pavement problems like there's a little asphalt factory under bike paving away. It's quite supple. More than anything else, this bike feels like an S bike with different clothes.

Steering inputs at speed are light, especially when combined with decent lower body inputs. BMWs, in general, like to be steered from the lower body and this bike is no exception. Mid corner corrections are handled without difficulty. Rolling on the throttle will widen the line, but rolling off some will not make the bike stand up. Mid corner bumps can upset the chassis somewhat, but adding preload seemed to help diminish that issue. Stability in crosswinds is terrific. I followed an R1 up the Waldo grade, through a 30 - 40 mph crosswind. He was noticeably moving around, yet the Rockster was planted and unaffected.

Brakes

The bike I rode had the servo assisted ABS brakes. They're initially a little off putting, but a half hour of acclimitazion reveals that these are powerful, easy to modulate brakes. A truck pulled out in front of me and the brakes just shed speed like Enron shedding employees.

Styling

To call this bike controversial might be an understatement. I parked it at Alice's Restaraunt for about an hour. Most of the old guys hated it. Most of the young folks (including women) thought it was neat. At first I didn't really care for the flat black paint, but it's starting to grow on me. The bronze color has a way of reminding me of cars that were in circulation about the time I was putting a banana seat on my Schwinn.

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So how's it all add up?

The verdict? This bike is going to fool a lot of people. Most of the folks I've run into think it's just a Roadster with a paint job. I think, given its abilities and specifications, it's safe to say the Rockster is its own motorcycle, designed to rip around the back roads, while offering up high style and function around town. It includes nice features like heated grips and a power plug, but lack of wind protection keeps it from being a high mileage pavement eater. If I was headed up the California coast and knew I'd be riding back roads the whole way, adding a set of BMW bags, the luggage shelf in place of the back seat and a tank bag would make for a supremely capable backroad ripper. If BMW would introduce a small shield that matches the bold styling of the rest of the bike,I wouldn't have anything to complain about.

My Schwinns were always a little wierd looking, but they worked well enough for me to get in all kinds of trouble. I think this bike is exactly in that vein. It might look a little strange at first, but man, will it get you in trouble.

Hate Mail goes here (teamkbasa@comcast.net)

Big Thanks again to the guys at Marin BMW!

BMWRider
04-06-2003, 07:00 AM
Great report, Dave. :clap
I had the pleasure of at least looking at a Rockster today at my favorite Beemer dealer and was more impressed with it than I thought I'd be. As you said, it initially appears to be a Roadster with a funky paint job but it's more than that.
As somebody who remembers the dreary Cold War days when a Boxer could be had in any color you wanted so long as it was black, the newer David Robb designs range from elegantly gorgeous - the RT - to utilitarian/goofy - the GS - to flat-out weird - the Rockster. And I say more power to 'em.
What will those crazy, fun-loving, whimsical Germans think of next?

ybnews
04-06-2003, 08:59 AM
Great report Dave!

ybnews
04-06-2003, 09:04 AM
HEY!
I was'nt finished yet...(damn computer)
As I was saying,
Your test evaluation read like an article from the Big Boys.
You should get a job outta McQuides old office.
Any info on finance numbers or incentives?:bliss

KBasa
04-06-2003, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by YBNews
HEY!
I was'nt finished yet...(damn computer)
As I was saying,
Your test evaluation read like an article from the Big Boys.
You should get a job outta McQuides old office.
Any info on finance numbers or incentives?:bliss

I believe they're offering 1.9% adn the first three months paid on 2004 models.

Greg
04-06-2003, 10:18 AM
Dave, Nice report :thumb

I LIKE the styling of this bike. Saw a couple yesterday (Fresno and Modesto BMW). I hope it brings in some new blood.

Greg

Colt03
04-07-2003, 09:44 PM
Dave,

While your intro was classic, the pictures really do your review wonders. You could probably sell this review to the guys at Motorcycle On line ! I especially like the picture with the curved road in the background. As soon is this snow is gone, I'm going riding !

Craig Cleasby

KBasa
04-07-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Colt03
Dave,

While your intro was classic, the pictures really do your review wonders. You could probably sell this review to the guys at Motorcycle On line ! I especially like the picture with the curved road in the background. As soon is this snow is gone, I'm going riding !

Craig Cleasby

Hmmmm. Thanks, Craig!

You freaking YBs are everywhere!

dave
:)

ctwise
04-08-2003, 08:06 AM
Dave,

Very nicely put together report. You really do have talents as a writer. As was suggested above, you should try to get your work more widely published.

Can you make a direct comparison between the Rockster and the S? For what kind of riding would you choose each bike?

KBasa
04-08-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by ctwise
Dave,

Very nicely put together report. You really do have talents as a writer. As was suggested above, you should try to get your work more widely published.

Can you make a direct comparison between the Rockster and the S? For what kind of riding would you choose each bike?

Chris,

Thanks for the kind comments.

It's funny you ask that question, because that was really the basis of my comparison. I currently have a '99 S that fits me and work pretty well. I've put Ohlins on it, changed the ergos so they fit me and have generally made it my own. I considered the Rockster as a replacement for the S, but I don't think I could actually make it work.

The biggest advantage the S has over the Rockster is wind protection. I headed up 280 and back into the city into a 30 or 40mph headwind. Given the bars, lack of fairing and peg position, not only was I taking a beating from the wind, with the pegs in a more forward position, it was simply hard for me to hold on to the bike. I'm used to riding my VFR and my S, and I'm able to brace myself with my feet.

For the Rockster, I have a '99, so I have the earlier brake setup. The servo assisted brakes are amazing and I consider them a musthave on my next bike. The Rockster also has the Dual Spark motor. Like I said in the review, your ability to dial in small amounts of throttle are vastly improved over the old single plug setups.

I found myself, on a couple of occasions, wanting a little more thrust. If they'd stuck an S motor in that bike, sort of like Triumph has done by putting the big motor in their Speed Triple, I would find that bike pretty difficult to pass up.

After all, I'm an American and more is always better. :D

So on the S advantage is wind protection and power, on the Rockster side is the DS motor and the nice brakes.

This leads me to believe that I really, really, really need to get a ride on a DS R11S.....

:clap

phactory
04-08-2003, 06:45 PM
Dave,

Great Report!! I haven't had a chance to ride one yet, but Tom has one of each over at Dunbars. Personally I like the Green one (aka Citrus Metallic) way more than the Bronze one.

For some strange reason I am considering buying one of these bikes, even though I already have way too many bikes! Are 8 bikes too many or "Is 8 enough?"

Cheers, Phac

fish
04-08-2003, 09:38 PM
Kbasa, are you going to trade-in your S on a nice green one?

MarkF
04-09-2003, 08:17 PM
Thanks for the write up.

I saw the Rockster at the NYC Motorcycle Show. I now have a 2000 R1100RL with a cafe style fairing. I would love to have the Rockster if they did just a few things. 1) Keep the Roadster handlebars. 2) Paint it some cool bright solid color or better yet Daytona smoke. 3) Make it available with non-linked, non-ABS, like the R1150GS Sport.

Until then I'll be enjoying my ride.

KBasa
04-09-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by oilhed
Thanks for the write up.

1) Get rid of the big front fender. Except for the R1150RS the rest of the oilheads have smaller fenders.

Your welcome. :)

The front fender is straight off the R11S, carbon fiber and all.

Magic_Rat
04-23-2003, 10:03 PM
Nice informative report Dave. Thanks for taking the time.

MarkF
04-28-2003, 03:19 PM
I love naked bikes! I love my current ride, a 2000 R1100RL. With bags and a small cafe style fairing it's my daily commute and sport tourer. It's even a little bit street fighter, too. I was thinking if I could get a second bike I would consider a new R1150R or even a rockster. Or perhaps something better for the wide open spaces, like a K1200GT, R1150RT or R1150GS.

Then, it hit me. I opened the new Rider and saw the new Ducati S4R Monster. I liked the past Monsters but something seemed so run of the mill. The new bike has high pipes and a single sided swingarm. This bike is COOL!

This could work! Keep the BMW for the touring, camping and bad weather riding. The Ducati would be that "make no sense" holigan street fighter and daily commuter. It's not the greatest scan but this is what it looks like. The name ends in R and I'd call it a roadster.

Now come on Lotto...

KBasa
10-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Anybody here with a Rockster these days?

BubbaZanetti
10-11-2007, 11:56 AM
lol, this all transpired before i even started riding:blah

ASPHALT
10-11-2007, 12:26 PM
Anybody here with a Rockster these days?

Nope. But, my wife sure is pissed I sold the Roadster a few yearsback.:banghead

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Swears she's going to buy it back some day. That whole series of Roadsters and Rocksters was kind of a Swan Song for a certain Beemer era, I think. Oh, well. Whatever flavor they come up with, I'll keep drinking it!

userw5
10-11-2007, 12:46 PM
Anybody here with a Rockster these days?

Here. :wave

My Rockster is my first BMW.

I was hooked when a friend let me ride his roadster. I started looking around at R1150's and found the Rockster. I liked the orange/rust color better in pictures, but when I saw the green/citrus in person, I knew that was the one I wanted. :heart Shopped for a while and found mine on ebay. I've added a windshield, hyperlites, and 1" bar risers.

I'm very happy with mine. :) :burnout

lionlady
10-11-2007, 05:41 PM
I bought mine after a 500+ mile, weekend long "test ride." I fell in love with the bike, but REALLY did not care at all for the two standard color options. (I knew that in a couple years, I'd HATE whichever I owned). Then I was shown a lovely black and white model sitting in the showroom...

Limited Edition #196. I've put 31,000 miles on "Gryndl" in just over two years. I've added hyperlites, fog lights, as well as a horn upgrade. Last summer, I took my daughter as pillion to Athens, GA for the AMA Women in Motorcycling Conference. Am about to ride a long distance rally this weekend, in VA.

P

hydranyc
10-13-2007, 11:35 AM
hey kbasa,

you might remember me from ADVriders...my tag there is "agypsy" (i started the "oil, hex, airheads" and "new yorker coming to SF" thread).

AAMOF, i just picked up an '04 rockster (green) this week from my brother in vegas and rode it home to SF. I am LOVING IT!

the rockster is like a touring bike with an attitude. this is my 3rd boxer and i couldn't be more happy. i just moved to SF this month from NYC and i was going to ship my BCR here but i just sold my GS about 4 days before i left for SF. i didn't expect to sell it so quickly but it was perfect timing 'cause i just turned that money over to my brother and now i've got my carver for the bay area! and she's only got 5400mi on the clock!

see you at the Bovine Bakery. look for a green Rockster with the tank blacked out...:wave

Cliffy777
10-13-2007, 11:48 AM
I am riding my second Rockster. I bought one of the copper colored ones (but I really wanted the Sapphire Black/White SE) in late '03 and rode it for a little over a year. Then my dealer was dealing on their last SE. They gave me a decent trade and BMW gave me .9% (as in less than 1%) financing and ate the first five payments. How could I refuse.
So I took delivery of the Snow Queen on December 18th of 2004.
28k+ later and I still say to myself "I love this bike." at least once a week on our daily commute. The bike was made for me. Love the ergos, styling, etc. It has enough power for me to stay happy. Just added the Beemer luggage (found the bags here in the flea market - thanks Dom!).
Heated grips rock. The partially linked brakes are perfect for me.
Did I mention I love this bike??

dlearl476
10-13-2007, 01:52 PM
If anyone is interested, our "ultra-Italian" dealer (Duc, MV, Aprillia, Benelli, MotoG, oh, and Triumph) here in Las Vegas has a pretty nice Rockster on the floor. (Unless it was HydraNYC's brother's, on consignment) I haven't dared take a close look at it for fear they're asking like $5k for it or something. But from what I've seen it does look nice.

No strings, just passing along the info. The dealer's name is Pat Clark Motorsports.

hydranyc
10-13-2007, 02:00 PM
If anyone is interested, our "ultra-Italian" dealer (Duc, MV, Aprillia, Benelli, MotoG, oh, and Triumph) here in Las Vegas has a pretty nice Rockster on the floor. (Unless it was HydraNYC's brother's, on consignment) I haven't dared take a close look at it for fear they're asking like $5k for it or something. But from what I've seen it does look nice.

No strings, just passing along the info. The dealer's name is Pat Clark Motorsports.
my bro got his rockster from LV BMW.
$5K...someone should snatch that up!

RoyB
11-17-2007, 09:11 PM
Kbasa says..."Anybody here with a Rockster these days?"


Yup! I have an 04 that I picked up at the beginning of the summer.....Love it!

http://images32.fotki.com/v1058/photos/3/36012/5094124/IMG_0796-vi.jpg

http://images25.fotki.com/v901/photos/3/36012/5094124/IMG_0702-vi.jpg

http://images30.fotki.com/v44/photos/3/36012/5094124/IMG_0800-vi.jpg

hydranyc
11-17-2007, 09:30 PM
Kbasa says..."Anybody here with a Rockster these days?"


Yup! I have an 04 that I picked up at the beginning of the summer.....Love it!

http://images25.fotki.com/v901/photos/3/36012/5094124/IMG_0702-vi.jpg

hey Royb, did you buy your rock with the straight pipe installed or did you do that yourself?
and is that a home made pipe or an aftermarket?

Belquar
11-17-2007, 10:35 PM
Been kicking myself for selling my roadster. It was my first BMW. Great bike.

Not a rockster, but close enough for me. Awesome machines.

RoyB
11-18-2007, 03:57 AM
Rockster Pipe Modification.............

The resonator I used is from Headman Headers, part # 17120 available from Summit Racing Supply for $21.00

http://images23.fotki.com/v806/photos/3/36012/5094124/IMG_0697-vi.jpg

Lots more in my photo album on my web site

www.rvbprecision.com

http://public.fotki.com/Rbertalotto/motorcycle/motorcycles-current/bmw-r1150r-rockster/

http://images25.fotki.com/v898/photos/3/36012/5094124/IMG_0699-vi.jpg

Cliffy777
11-18-2007, 02:45 PM
Roy - that looks really nice. I went to your blog to learn more. So, you say the bike is not all that much louder without the big ole exhaust? Dang, that is cool. With your mod, could the original be put back on if you wanted to?
Any increase in performance?

hydranyc
11-18-2007, 02:57 PM
yes, look cool!
tell us more about the performance.
did you chip it or install a power commander?

i have a full remus system and power commander and very happy with the results. smooth power through every gear and rpm range. but i've been thinking about the SJBMW intake system and possibly the high compression piston's they have that bumps the compression to 12:1.

any thoughts?

billpierce
11-18-2007, 04:00 PM
Excellent write up! Thanks a bunch

RoyB
11-18-2007, 08:44 PM
Yes, easily reversible.....

Test it yourself, simply remove your muffler and start the bike. It just isn't much louder, but a little more throaty.................Sounds great...