BMWMOA Clubhouse

[From MARS]

If this is an inappropriate posting for the forum, I am sure someone will tell me, but I want suggestions/opinions.

Recently, I purchased a limestone school, built in 1895, just to keep it from being torn down for the stone and now I am trying to figure out what to do with it. Since I like BMW's and the people who ride them, I thought it might be nice to have a clubhouse where touring MOA members could stay, relax, service their bikes, etc. As the school is located in the middle of the country, it seems a natural place to start a trend of regional clubhouses that offer reciprocity to riders from all over the country much like yacht clubs do for boaters. Maybe the clubs in each state could get together and have a state clubhouse. (Texas might need more than one).

Anyway, I need/want input from others as to the feasability of such a network. If you want to see the building I have to offer as one such location, go to: www.therippleeffectproject.com. It isn't much of a website, but then I'm not much of a computer guy.

[PAULBACH]

Now there is an original idea. Maybe clubs in Kansas could give a hand in making it a model for other states/clubs to imitate.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/ClipArt/LightBulb.jpg

[BeemoKat]

I like the idea, but I'm not so sure about the implementation. Buying property for club use is certainly well beyond my means, but for any well-heeled club members who want to do this, I say "Kudos!" and I'll visit!

[BMWDEAN]

It's a beautiful building.

First priority: make sure the roof doesn't leak. That will do your dreams in really fast. Then, make sure the foundation is solid and stable and doesn't leak. If those things are good to go, you have time to make plans.

Don't use portland cement for pointing a limestone building. That will cause the stone to spall. Use appropriate mortar to match the strength, or lack thereof, of the stone.

[Pat Carol]

I would be will to come out and do maintenace. That sounds like a great idea.

PC:thumb

[Oldhway]

Perhaps you could do it like a time share. Everyone interested commits either financially or with labor and skill and in return gets to utilize it for a certain amount of time.

Either way, great idea. Let me know how I can help. :thumb

[PAGoldsby]

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Neat place; great idea.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

You should have a structural engineer look at it.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Make sure that the engineer is licensed in Kansas.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Did I mention that I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas?

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Anywho, very interesting concept.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

:D

PS. I will be caging to Wichita next weekend from Overland Park to see my sister for her birthday. Elmdale is, like, right on the way.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

[PAULBACH]

I would get a structural engineer to check it out and make suggestions. If you could find one in Kansas so much the better.

[Belquar]

Maybe someone on the forum here knows someone who is a structural engineer in Kansas. Good luck. Sounds like a really cool idea.

[PAGoldsby]

I would get a structural engineer to check it out and make suggestions. If you could find one in Kansas so much the better.Maybe he can even find one who's an MOA member, who's going ot be in the area, like, next weekend on the way to his sister's place.

I'm just sayin'...

[wuli959]

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Neat place; great idea.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

You should have a structural engineer look at it.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Make sure that the engineer is licensed in Kansas.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Did I mention that I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas?

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

Anywho, very interesting concept.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.

:D

PS. I will be caging to Wichita next weekend from Overland Park to see my sister for her birthday. Elmdale is, like, right on the way.

I'm a structural engineer, licensed in Kansas.


nice of you to offer to comp the inspection :lurk

[PAGoldsby]

nice of you to offer to comp the inspection :lurk

Happy to be able to help! Heck, I might just swing by there and check the place out next Sunday anyway, even if the OP can't be around.

[Emoto]

Cool idea.

Does anyone know of a structural engineer who could inspect it? :dunno

[tessler]

Cool idea.

Does anyone know of a structural engineer who could inspect it? :dunno

I agree. That's a great old building. Would love to see more photos, especially interior shots.

I think I have an idea about a structural engineer....

[Oldhway]

I think there's a Structural Engineer in the local HOG if no one can find one in the MOA from say, Kansas. (as long as it's ok if the building leaks oil... Ooops, did I say that out loud?)

Maybe PAGoldsby knows one? Just a guess.

[Bfish]

great idea and gesture. don't hesitate to require future "users" to drop some greenbacks in a jar to assist in overhead costs.:deal

[lazywizard02]

I hate to say this but the "first" order of business is to indemnify the property owner from damages incurred by others using said property. Maybe make it a (temporary) grant to a non-profit org.

I commend the idea and think you are on to something. Keep expenses as low as possible and good luck.

[From MARS]

Just got back from town and was wondering if there might be a structural engineer in Kansas that might be willing to take a look at the building. Maybe they'll be passing through the area or something. PAGoldsby, pm me and we will definitely talk about this.

I think that with all the talent and resources that are to be found in this organization, we can have something the other guys just dream about. Shoot, it might just make some of the other guys switch brands.

I like the ideas being floated. As PaulBach can tell you, the Navy has a "plank owner" award for the original crew members of a new boat, ahh, ship. Maybe we can have a "stoner's" award. Then again, maybe y'all should suggest something. I know the details can be worked out.

As to the current condition of the building, the structure is sound, but there are problems with roof leaks, broken windows, and the floors on the west end are gone. I have had a stonemason look at the structure, and welcome the advise of professionals of all ilks. If anyone is into fuel-cell technology, perhaps we could make this a totally "green" building.

[PAGoldsby]

PM sent!

[BMWDEAN]

I would also suggest you have a restoration architect look at it -- that is an architect, preferably licensed in Kansas, who has experience in the correct restoration of historic buildings. It is easy to make incorrect decisions about treating historic buildings and find that errors made cannot be corrected and may even doom the building.

Consider the following:

http://www.nps.gov/history/hps/tps/standguide/overview/choose_treat.htm

http://tinyurl.com/yr87fc

http://tinyurl.com/2xefkj

[PAGoldsby]

I would also suggest you have a restoration architect look at it <snip>This is a great and important suggestion. I will ask around to see if I can find someone who would be willing to get involved with this building.

[From MARS]

I can't believe the interest this project has spurred. To be able to save this old building and turn it into a useful, living structure again, will be great. I know we can do it.

Just to give all a few details about me and the building;
The first thing everyone needs to know is that I don't have the money to do this alone. It will take a collaborative effort on the part of all who think a clubhouse would be cool. The building was purchased for around twelve grand, and I am sure some of you lawyers could draw up an agreement tranfering ownership to the group for as long as it was to be used as a clubhouse or headquarters. Sure, I would like to get my cash out of it, but the main objective is to create something that we can all be proud of and enjoy. If that means I have to leave my investment in the building to realize the goal, so be it. My reward will come from having started this ball rolling and meeting all the riders who will enjoy our clubhouse for years to come.

The building itself was used as a school from 1896 'til 1969 and has touched many lives already. One of the pleasures of owning such a structure is meeting the people who have a story to tell about it. Up in the trusses of the roof, are the names and dates of some of the kids who climbed up into the attic at one time or another. The old bell is still on top, and yes, I have rung it.

I am not an attorney or an accountant so I hope that one will be able to guide us as we proceed. PAGoldsby, a structural engineer licensed in Kansas (for those that don't know), and I will be going over the building next weekend. That seems to be the first step. Now, if there is an accountant or attorney that can help set up the paperwork, jump in. Maybe we can convince Paul to come down and do the photographs. He has a way of making old things look good.

To everyone who reads this thread, keep watching. This is going to be fun.

[tessler]

I can't believe the interest this project has spurred. To be able to save this old building and turn it into a useful, living structure again, will be great. I know we can do it.

Just to give all a few details about me and the building;
The first thing everyone needs to know is that I don't have the money to do this alone. It will take a collaborative effort on the part of all who think a clubhouse would be cool. The building was purchased for around twelve grand, and I am sure some of you lawyers could draw up an agreement tranfering ownership to the group for as long as it was to be used as a clubhouse or headquarters. Sure, I would like to get my cash out of it, but the main objective is to create something that we can all be proud of and enjoy. If that means I have to leave my investment in the building to realize the goal, so be it. My reward will come from having started this ball rolling and meeting all the riders who will enjoy our clubhouse for years to come.

The building itself was used as a school from 1896 'til 1969 and has touched many lives already. One of the pleasures of owning such a structure is meeting the people who have a story to tell about it. Up in the trusses of the roof, are the names and dates of some of the kids who climbed up into the attic at one time or another. The old bell is still on top, and yes, I have rung it.

I am not an attorney or an accountant so I hope that one will be able to guide us as we proceed. PAGoldsby, a structural engineer licensed in Kansas (for those that don't know), and I will be going over the building next weekend. That seems to be the first step. Now, if there is an accountant or attorney that can help set up the paperwork, jump in. Maybe we can convince Paul to come down and do the photographs. He has a way of making old things look good.

To everyone who reads this thread, keep watching. This is going to be fun.
This is the best thing to happen to the club since Belquar passed me in the same lane, on the Garden State Parkway doing 55 on his Blue LT!

:lurk:lurk:lurk

[PAGoldsby]

As I wrote in a previous post, I'm just happy that I have something to contribute to this effort.

Look, we're all pretty much regular folks. For the most part, we all work for a living, or are retired from doing so. We're all busy - either with our jobs, or our families, or our churches, or our other hobbies and pursuits. Sure, there might be the few MOA members who have achieved Steve Fossett status, where the daily challenge is to find new and exciting ways to spend the accumulated billions. But for the most part, we're all of the sort that needs to be judicious with our time and our money.

However, there is a certain quality in humans that is eternally abundant, and easily replenished: passion.

My passion for motorcycling was dormant for nearly a decade, as I went through a lot of big changes in my family and career. And while motorcycling probably didn't miss me, I missed it. The passion has been lit again, with the breath of an R75 rekindling the glowing ember that would never be squelched.

And so, we have here a fellow member who has taken his passion in another direction, and graciously and generously offered to share it with us, the community. I am not without skill; there are things I can do to help.

I think this is a wonderful opportunity for us, the community.

I can't wait to get started!

[Belquar]

Boy do I get around.

:ha

[PAULBACH]

Maybe we can convince Paul to come down and do the photographs.

I'm available. Looks like a nice journey.

After the inspection, if you find a competant engineer how about a work party just to get the biggest mess cleaned up and prepare building for the next step?

Maybe we can find a graphic artist to create a plank owners certificate.

Sample Wording to be used for inspiration:

TO ALL SAILORS WHEREVER YE MAY BE and to all Mermaids, Sea Serpents, Whales, Sharks, Dolphins, Skates, Suckers, Lobsters, Crabs, and other Living Things of the Sea, GREETINGS:

KNOW YE: That on this ......., day of .......... 19...... in Latitude 000º 00' and Longitude ...................., there appeared within Our Royal Domain the ...................., bound for .................... .

BE IT REMEMBERED: That said Vessel, Officers and Crew thereof having been inspected and passed on by Yourself and Our Royal Staff,

AND BE IT KNOWN: By all ye Sailors, Mariners and Land Lubbers, who may be honored by his presence, that

Seaman W, T. Door, USN, having been found worthy to be numbered as ONE OF OUR TRUSTY SHELLBACKS, has been gathered to our fold and duly initiated into the SOLEMN MYSTERIES OF THE ANCIENT ORDER OF THE DEEP.

BE IT FURTHER UNDERSTOOD: That by virtue of the power invested in me I hereby command my subject to show due honor and respect to him whenever he may enter Our Realm.

DISOBEY THIS ORDER UNDER PENALTY OF OUR ROYAL DISPLEASURE.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/PaulBach/Misc%20Stuff/PlankOwnerCertificate.gif

[Belquar]

Hmmmm.......

Graphic Artist......


Wherever will we find one of those.....



Here's an idea.......




Maybe we could get that fellar who did the logo for the West Bend Rally. Seems like some folks think he is purty smart.




Or who is that other artist.......



Yellow Bird.....



No.....



Canary......



no......



Oh.....Got it.......



Conary....a.k.a. Knary....


Such an eclectic group of individuals we have here in the MOA.

:D

[tessler]

Hmmmm.......

Graphic Artist......

Wherever will we find one of those.....

Such an eclectic group of individuals we have here in the MOA.

:D:ha I'm sure that Canary feller is lurking around here with paint on his wingtips....

Not to hijack this great thread about Thomas's awesome schoolhouse project, but when the vision is realized, it may very well need a graphic identity (logo, promotions designs, signage)... something that will look good on a web site, a sticker or a rally patch :D

[From MARS]

Guys and Gals,
I have to go to Texas for a day or so and will be out of touch for awhile. Y'all seem to be running towards the goal with this idea so just keep brainstorming. I'll catch up when I return.
Tom

PS. The grounds I have cleaned up pretty well, but the inside, well I could use some help there. The building is currently divided into four large rooms with a center stair case/foyer. Once I get back and figure out how to upload some pictures, I will.

[PAULBACH]

:lurk

[dlowry]

ROAD TRIP! :dance

I need a trip somewhere in September... August is taken up by events already...

[From MARS]

I noticed that over 500 "views" have taken place on this thread, but only 31 replies. And, some of those are mine. At the rally, I learned a lot about MOA people. One of the things I learned is that everyone had an opinion (usually an educated one, at that) about lots of things. I am a "people person" and loved listening to people "argue" their positions. It is my belief that the more opinions we get; the better the decisions will be. So, please weigh in on this issue.

Assuming PAGoldsby, structural engineer extraordinare, finds the structure sound and worthy of such a lofty mission as our clubhouse, then the offers of help will be graciously accepted. Across the street from the old school property, I have a little, 400 sqft, house that the locals refer to as "the treehouse" since it is 9' up amongst the branches of surrounding trees, which we can use as a bunkhouse/office for the project. There's a shower, stove, microwave, frig, A/C, a bed in the loft, and a fold out couch. Of course, there's always the option of camping out at our place if you want peace and quite.

There is a another detail about this location. Adjoining the stone school is the former gymnasium/auditorium brick building. If all works out, we might want to lease space to some enterprising individual to start a maintenance/installation business for while the member is staying at the club. Or maybe, it becomes a health club with indoor tennis courts. Whatever it becomes, this structure could be part of the "clubhouse corporation" as a revenue source to help defray expenses. But, it needs lots of work so our engineer may say it needs to go. Even that wouldn't be all bad since it is built with thousands of solid red brick that could be salvaged to offset some of the cost of fixing the school.

I just got back from a 24hr trip to College Station, Texas in a big dually and pulling a 32' sailboat back. If I'm a little verbose, I apologize, but driving a rig like that is a little nervewracking for me. The bike is so much better.

[JCabranes]

Perhaps you could do it like a time share. Everyone interested commits either financially or with labor and skill and in return gets to utilize it for a certain amount of time.

Either way, great idea. Let me know how I can help. :thumb

+1

I'm no expert on laying floors but I've learned to do it. I'll pitch in on anything except electric. My suggestion is to start a company. People get a share in the company depending on how much work they put in to the place. Turn in into a biker timeshare. If this works out maybe one of us will buy a distressed property somewhere else and make it an asset of the company with the same basic idea. You'd have to work out how the stockholders will contribute to the inevitable property taxes but those kinds of details can be worked out.

I'd like to see an interior floorplan and some pics of the interior.

Jack

[JCabranes]

I'm up for a weekend ride out there to take a look, assuming that you want the company. Anyone else want to take a ride to Kansas in the next couple of months?

[From MARS]

Tomorrow, I will take some pics and try to get them loaded here. I may need to call on the collective to accomplish this.

As for the company, mi casa es su casa. Unless we get rally sized crowds showing up, we have camping space. If you want luxury, there is a great hotel/restaurant, the Grand Central Hotel in Cottonwood Falls, Ks, just six miles away.

BTW John. I have some flooring that need laying, but your in luck as long as the cat lives. Our 19yo cat has forgotten how to use the litter box. I refuse to put down flooring as long as, well .......:)

[The_Veg]

Wow- I like this! I'd love to come up and do something to help some weekend.

[From MARS]

Veg,
I should have called you when I went through Dallas this morning, but I figured normal people would be asleep at 0400. I know I wanted to be, but since I don't pull my boat around that much and it was a friend's dually, the timing was perfect.

I think the best way to do this is to schedule several weekends and spread the helping hands more effectively. Of course, everyone is welcome to ride over and "look/see" at any time. I am usually around here somewhere if you want talk to me.
Tom

[choctaw1970]

I'd like to help/ be apart of the idea..and wouldn't mind taking a road trip...where is it again...? Hey BTW Veg....I might be in Dallas in a few months..let's meet for a drink....don't know if I'll be on the bike or not yet. This is Tony (nurse workin in Rochester) From Texas.

I noticed that over 500 "views" have taken place on this thread, but only 31 replies. And, some of those are mine. At the rally, I learned a lot about MOA people. One of the things I learned is that everyone had an opinion (usually an educated one, at that) about lots of things. I am a "people person" and loved listening to people "argue" their positions. It is my belief that the more opinions we get; the better the decisions will be. So, please weigh in on this issue.

Assuming PAGoldsby, structural engineer extraordinare, finds the structure sound and worthy of such a lofty mission as our clubhouse, then the offers of help will be graciously accepted. Across the street from the old school property, I have a little, 400 sqft, house that the locals refer to as "the treehouse" since it is 9' up amongst the branches of surrounding trees, which we can use as a bunkhouse/office for the project. There's a shower, stove, microwave, frig, A/C, a bed in the loft, and a fold out couch. Of course, there's always the option of camping out at our place if you want peace and quite.

There is a another detail about this location. Adjoining the stone school is the former gymnasium/auditorium brick building. If all works out, we might want to lease space to some enterprising individual to start a maintenance/installation business for while the member is staying at the club. Or maybe, it becomes a health club with indoor tennis courts. Whatever it becomes, this structure could be part of the "clubhouse corporation" as a revenue source to help defray expenses. But, it needs lots of work so our engineer may say it needs to go. Even that wouldn't be all bad since it is built with thousands of solid red brick that could be salvaged to offset some of the cost of fixing the school.

I just got back from a 24hr trip to College Station, Texas in a big dually and pulling a 32' sailboat back. If I'm a little verbose, I apologize, but driving a rig like that is a little nervewracking for me. The bike is so much better.

[JCabranes]

Tom,

Its your property so tell us what needs to be done on the inside, what it will cost to make it look the way you want, who is going to pay for the materials (you or the group or both). After you get that out of the way then you need to think about maintaining the property which has its own expenses in the form of time and money. I think this is a great idea, but like all great ideas the details need to be fleshed out.

Jack

[From MARS]

Jack asked what my vision is, so here goes.

What I/we have is a solid stone, two story building that sits on a couple of acres of land. The interior is currently divided into four large classrooms with common areas in the center. Since the walls are constructed of stone and the roof is formed by trusses spanning from side to side, the interior floors and walls are not structural to the actual building, therefore, the current floorplan is subject to change to suit our needs. I haven't actually measured it, but according to the newspaper accounts from the time of construction, the outside diminsions are 34'x68' so there is approx. 2000 sqft on each floor.

If you have been to the website listed in the original post, you know that Elmdale is located in a flood plain surrounded by a dike. To my knowledge, the '51 flood was the worst and inundated the town of Elmdale with about 6' of water. This prompted the dike to be built. In '98, the dike was broached, and we had 4' of water in town. According to FEMA, there is a 26% chance of flooding over the life of a thirty year mortgage. (That is the reason I built the treehouse 9' above grade.) The school property was built-up during construction, and the indications are that the '51 flood put about 2' of water in the building. Therefore, the lower floor would need to be designed for easy cleanup. I see a large commons area that members would use for relaxing, meetings, or casual dining. This would require the basement/crawlspace to be filled and a concrete(?) floor put in. The second floor, which is about twelve feet above the first, could be anything we decided. I see on the second floor a restaurant quality kitchen, individual rooms/offices, and a bunkhouse type area for the use of the members. I have no doubt that somewhere out there in webland there is an architect that can optimize the use of space.

The cost of such a project can vary widely depending on the level of luxury we want, but the minimum would probably be in the $2-300,000 range. A lot of that would be labor. So, depending on participation by club members, our actual cost could be closer to $100,000.00. Some of this cost can be offset by proceeds from salvage of the original interior. There are a couple of hundred embozed tin ceiling panels for instance. Some have rusted through due to leaks in the roof, but there are still a lot of good ones.

As to the ownership of the structure, we have lots of options. I am willing to deed the building to the group if that is what it takes to make this a reality. Or, we can form a corporation (non-profit?) and sell shares to BMWMOA members so everyone has an ownership position. I'll leave those details to the lawyers and accountants in the group to work out, but as I understand it, we have enough members to where, if each contributed a small amount of money, there would be enough to do what we want. Operating expenses could be offset by renting out portions of the building for meetings, weddings, reunions, etc. And, don't forget the gym/auditorium. It can be a revenue center as well. Maybe a dealership or something like a service center where we lease space to individual service providers.

The central theme is participation. I envision a group effort whereby some will contribute time, others money, and still others materials, but we all have an ownership that comes from participating in something fun that is also worthwhile.

The question is bound to come up so I'll go ahead and answer it; What do I get? I get the satisfaction of rejuvinating an old building, of being part of this group of extraordinary individuals, and of helping to provide to this community a uniqueness that will set us apart from other motorcycle owner's groups even more than we are now. Besides, I own other properties in town that will benefit from having the school refurbished. Specifically, there is the 5 acre orchard, the treehouse, and a small grain elevator which I recently acquired. The orchard may become a campground/RV park, the treehouse may become a vacation home, and the elevator is going to become a tourist center/rest stop for cagers and cyclist alike. Even though Elmdale is small (30-40 people still reside there), US Hwy 50 has over 10,000 vehicles a day going by and is planned to become four-lanes in the near future. But, getting rich is not my motivation. If it were, I would not have chosen to lead the life that I have.

There are thousands of little decisions that will be made as this progresses, but the big one is: Is this project feasable with the resources we have at hand? Phil Goldsby, our structural engineer licensed in Kansas and a member of this austere group, will tell us about the building's possibilities. Each of us has to decide if we want to participate, and, if so, how.

[FredRydr]

Perhaps this could be the seed for the Ride Center, the original mission of the BMWMOA Foundation. The stone structure could be incorporated into the existing Ride Center sketches. It would take a commitment to a serious development plan, though.

Fred

[From MARS]

Fred,
I was not aware of this original mission statement. Having just read it, I can see where you are coming from. If the Foundation finds the site acceptable, I would be glad to provide it to them to further the goals of the organization. We could even put the rider's courses indoors in the gym. And, Chase County has some great back roads to explore for the GS riders.

Here are some facts about Chase County, KS. There are only 3000 people in the whole county of 776 square miles. The nations newest addition to the national park service is here: The Tallgrass Prairie Preserve. "National Geographic" recently did a large spread on the Flint Hills of Kansas in which Chase County is located. It is the home of the oldest county courthouse still in use west of the Mississippi. The courthouse is undergoing a $1,000,000 + renovation at the current time.

As a aside, I have agreed to let a movie company use the exterior of the school as a backdrop for a location shoot. So, we'll have a "movie star" for a base of operations.
Tom

[From MARS]

This is a test of my photo posting. Hope it works.

[PAGoldsby]

Photo works great. The place is just amazing looking, Tom. Can't wait to see it in person.

Philbert

[BubbaZanetti]

:lurk

[gambrinus]

What a great project!

Good Luck and I can't wait to see some more pictures..


RW

[130313]

I have seen this done in Northern Ontario, Canada for Back packers and canoers. Free to use if you are stuck and or need to dry out. Just clean up and leave some canned food behind for the next person. Works well.

Stu

1993 K75/2 Police Edition
bmwmoa #130313
"It's not where you go, but
that you just go!"

[JCabranes]

I like the idea. Let's pick a date in in September (anyone have plans for Labor Day weekend?) and ride out to take a look.

[From MARS]

This is looking NW.

[From MARS]

Statdawg,
Let me answer your questions as succinctly as I can:
I don't know what direction this venture is going to take. I am looking to the members of the organization for guidance as to what is most desired and, therefore, will be the most supported.
My conversation with the CofC president today included ways this venture will benefit the whole county. I see the clubhouse project as being for us, riders who like to travel and want to congregate with other riders. Even if they come by cage. The art shows, flea markets, and other activities are seperate venues for future enjoyment.
I know that there is a fuel cell manufacturer that is installing small fuel cells in homes in Tokyo. I think it is Ballard Energy Systems, but I am not sure. Wind, solar, and corn are definitely doable here, and I am all in favor of this being as "green" an undertaking as possible.
The peach trees (50-60 of them) are 20-25 years old, and need TLC. I would love to maintain it, but right now, it is a low priority on a long list. If anyone wants to play with the orchard, let me know.
There is no structural problem with the structure that I am aware of. The engineer's examination will answer this question.
As to vermin, well, I know a cat and at least one black snake hunt in the structure. They both look pretty healthy.
I have no insurance on the structure. Any lawyer that were to sue me on behalf of themselves or anyone else would be wasting their time and ruining their Karma. I have no money and few posessions. They'd have to pry my cold, dead fingers off the handlebars of my K-bike to get it. I agree wholeheartedly with the post that said I would need to be indemnified. I don't know what it would cost.
Foundation ownership of the property would be great if our goals are compatable and the members are willing to give financial support in sufficient amounts to warrant Foundation involvement. The real question is: Is this to be a private enterprise venture or a nonprofit? That is the decision of the entire BMWMOA organization. I just want to see us have a place where, when we go there, they have to let us in. Kind of like home.
Mini Rally; I'd love to see enough people enjoying the clubhouse on a regular basis that every week was like rally week. When we start working on things, I can't help but think that a rally mentallity will prevail.

I have some pictures of the interior now and will start posting them. I am on dialup out here so it takes awhile. They show how much the interior has deteriorated, but we will be remodeling the interior anyway.

[From MARS]

This is the lawn and gym. I haven't had the chance to clear around it, yet. Nice winter project. I love to slash and burn on a cold day.

[From MARS]

Okay. here comes the first interior picture. This is the staircase entry.

[From MARS]

Lower East classroom.

[From MARS]

Lower East classroom floor

[From MARS]

The good parts. Upper West ceiling.

[From MARS]

Even better. Lower West classroom

[From MARS]

Time to feature the bike. For those that might not remember me from the rally, this is me the day of departure.

[From MARS]

This is an aerial of my ride to town. We are the small clump of trees in the middle.

[JCabranes]

Might be a great place for a Mini Rally ?

Was thinking the same thing. If we could get enough people the rally could pay for the upkeep.

[The_Veg]

Tom and Tony, I'm looking forward to meeting both of you.

[From MARS]

Just got off the phone with the movie producer. He said they intend to shoot on Sept, 10 depending on weather. Should be fun. I've never seen a movie made.

[OU812]

I like the idea. Let's pick a date in in September (anyone have plans for Labor Day weekend?) and ride out to take a look.
Let me look into it. Would like to ride west, for once. Looks really neat!:clap

[JCabranes]

The Dells Rally is the weekend of the 7th. So I'm good any weekend after that.

[From MARS]

The pres. of the CofC has a little MOM&POP motel in Strong City. It is 7 miles East on Hwy 50 if anyone wants a clean/cheap motel (www.prairiefireinn.com). Or, the Grand Central Hotel (www.grandcentralhotel.com) if your wallet allows. The treehouse will be available for as many as we can cram in, but more than four is going to get crowded. Of course, camping is available at the treehouse or school or country house. Oh, there is also the grain elevator and the orchard. We'll find someplace for y'all to lay your weary heads, but if we get a bunch of folks, I'll have to make arrangements for sanitation. I will cook hamburgers for everyone one evening of the gathering. We'll have a real campfire.

I'll look to Jack for numbers. He is a great organizer.

This is the treehouse.

[JCabranes]

The pres. of the CofC has a little MOM&POP motel in Strong City. It is 7 miles East on Hwy 50 if anyone wants a clean/cheap motel (www.prairiefireinn.com). Or, the Grand Central Hotel (www.grandcentralhotel.com) if your wallet allows. The treehouse will be available for as many as we can cram in, but more than four is going to get crowded. Of course, camping is available at the treehouse or school or country house. Oh, there is also the grain elevator and the orchard. We'll find someplace for y'all to lay your weary heads, but if we get a bunch of folks, I'll have to make arrangements for sanitation. I will cook hamburgers for everyone one evening of the gathering. We'll have a real campfire.

I'll look to Jack for numbers. He is a great organizer.

This is the treehouse.

So far you can count on me. I can't speak for anyone else but if you want me to keep tab on the numbers I'll be happy to do it. Let's set a date first. Suggestions? Third or Fourth weekend in September? Sometime before the cold sets in will be fine.

[Bfish]

may have missed this along the way, but is the property zoned for your suggested use?

[From MARS]

Elmdale/Chase County is one of the last places in the country that has the attitude of "Its your property". There are no zoning laws in Elmdale, but consideration of my neighbors would prevent me from proceding with any plan that would be disruptive to the general well-being of the community. For instance, patrons and deliveries to the clubhouse will be directed to a route that doesn't go through much of the residential part. Remember, the town only has 30-40 total residents. That includes the kids. This Clubhouse is the cornerstone of a plan to redevelope Elmdale into a thriving community of likeminded citizens who want small town living with the convenience of being located in the middle of the country at a price that leaves some money in the bank for playing.
Tom

[Bfish]

Elmdale/Chase County is one of the last places in the country that has the attitude of "Its your property". There are no zoning laws in Elmdale, but consideration of my neighbors would prevent me from proceding with any plan that would be disruptive to the general well-being of the community. For instance, patrons and deliveries to the clubhouse will be directed to a route that doesn't go through much of the residential part. Remember, the town only has 30-40 total residents. That includes the kids. This Clubhouse is the cornerstone of a plan to redevelope Elmdale into a thriving community of likeminded citizens who want small town living with the convenience of being located in the middle of the country at a price that leaves some money in the bank for playing.
Tom


:deal just checking...sounds like a very good situation:clap

[From MARS]

We all know that PAGoldsby, our structural engineer licensed in Kansas and a member of this austere group, is going to come down this weekend to take a professional look at the structure. With his trained eye, he will be able to tell us if this building is workable in a matter of moments. A full report may take a little longer, but by Monday, we will have a good idea as to the status of the school.

In anticipation of a positive finding, I would like to propose the last weekend in September (28, 29, 30) for a gathering of all interested parties to come and look/see. JCabranes has graciously offered to keep a count of how many want to join us. The weather that time of year is usually excellent, and it gives me time to accomplish a few other task. I am open to other suggestions and will make arrangements based on the groups desires.

Of course, anyone passing thru the area before then is welcome to stop by and say hi. If you have only been through Kansas on the interstates, you haven't seen Kansas. Try taking the road less traveled, and see what you've been missing. Want to camp? I'll find a spot for you.

I have had several "off the record" conversations with others about donating the property to the MOA Foundation. Everything I have learned about the Foundation leads me to believe that this path is the best one to follow. Our goals are very compatable, and there is no sense in reinventing the wheel. Hopefully, someone will come along that can guide me through the process.

This is fun!

[PAGoldsby]

Neewollah, anyone?

[userw5]

Maybe this organization can give you some help or feedback.

http://www.nationaltrust.org/

Plus I did a quick google on 'Schoolhouse Restoration'.....There are many projects out there.

[OU812]

I am already off 9/1 - 9/4. Was hoping that was when the group thing was to happen.:stick
Steve

[From MARS]

Steve, it is up to the collective as to when we gather. I am available all the time. Well, almost. Perhaps we have a couple of smaller groups. I know the energy of a gathering-of-the-clan would be missing, but you are welcome anytime.
Tom

[OU812]

Steve, it is up to the collective as to when we gather. I am available all the time. Well, almost. Perhaps we have a couple of smaller groups. I know the energy of a gathering-of-the-clan would be missing, but you are welcome anytime.
Tom
Thanks Tom. I am so up for riding West, as I have never ridden West of the Mississippi, ever. And I am always interested in old buildings, especially School houses! :wow :bikes :D Maybe I can find some riders up for a ride your way that weekend?:violin
Thanks again, Steve

[JCabranes]

Thanks Tom. I am so up for riding West, as I have never ridden West of the Mississippi, ever. And I am always interested in old buildings, especially School houses! :wow :bikes :D Maybe I can find some riders up for a ride your way that weekend?:violin
Thanks again, Steve

That's Labor Day weekend... I've got nothing planned, I'll ride out with you if you're interested.

[OU812]

That's Labor Day weekend... I've got nothing planned, I'll ride out with you if you're interested.
Sounds Great! Let's go!:dance :thumb

[From MARS]

Jack, you are my kind of guy: any excuse for a ROAD TRIP! Steve, I look forward to meeting you. Will ya'll be camping or do you want the treehouse?

[OU812]

Treehouse sounds good to me. I hope I don't fall out. Just kidding, my balance is still there. But I would like to reserve it now, just in case there is a "rush" on it for that weekend.:bolt :laugh
Tks,Steve

[From MARS]

That's one in the treehouse.

[JCabranes]

Jack, you are my kind of guy: any excuse for a ROAD TRIP! Steve, I look forward to meeting you. Will ya'll be camping or do you want the treehouse?

I'm an old, fat man. I need to know the kind of access to the treehouse. Rope, Rope Ladder, Ladder or wood nailed to the trunk? The treehouse will do so long as I don't come crashing to the ground.

[From MARS]

I wouldn't call you fat, Jack. Old, maybe, but then what would that make me? The stairs are at a 45 degree angle. I think you're safe. Now the ladder to the loft is quite steep, but there is the fold-out couch. I'll put you down for the treehouse. You don't strike me as the camping type. Look forward to actually getting to know you. You were so busy at the rally with the rustic roads rides and I was a little distracted at Cubanitas so we didn't get to talk much. Steve tells he has a friend riding with him. Have you talked to him lately?

[OU812]

My friend is in only if we leave on Saturday, and return Tuesday. I would not count him in just yet. Besides, he rides an ST1100, but I don't hold it against him. :)

[OU812]

Cubanitas?, Is that in Milwaukee? We ate there Saturday night (a Cuban restaurant) of the Rally weekend. The streets in the downtown were toast. But the food, Pretty good!:eat

[From MARS]

That's the one. Jack, being the guy that he is, led a bunch of us early volunteers down there for dinner on Wednesday night before the Rally.

[rottenbiker]

Hey Tom, that is an awesome old building and I love your idea.
Marsha

[From MARS]

Thanks, Marsha. With the support of members like you, we will succeed in creating the first BMWMOA national clubhouse. I can see your name, and the names of all the other Ironbutters, on the Wall of Fame in the lounge area.

I had to cut down two walnut trees on either side of the front sidewalk, but I left the stumps about four feet tall. That was so visitors could carve their initials into them. I would be honored to see your's and Joe's there. Bring a knife.

Tom

[Flyer5]

This sounds like a great idea .I wish there were more people out there with this type if initiative I will be able to chip in some time next year .I am a industrial electrician but have done some residential wiring .I already have my vacation planned for this year but would love to head out in the spring of next year maybe for a week . I also have my 4 month old daughter that takes precedence over my planning and my wallet . The most I can offer is a strong back and some time ,looking forward to it . Dave

[From MARS]

Thanks for your offer. We'll see where we are in the Spring. Enjoy your daughter; they grow up so fast. Who knows, she may ride her own Beemer to the clubhouse one day, and tell people, "My Dad helped build this."

[From MARS]

Ideas are like children; they are conceived, birthed,, nurtured, and released. What life, and the world, has in store for them, we have no way of knowing. Each is an individual with their own path to follow. As one mother put it, "My job is to keep them alive until they can survive on their own."

Today, I am a little nervous. This is the day the engineer tells us if this idea is viable. Will this child be able to grow and realize its full potential or is there a defect that cannot be overcome? If the answer is no, so be it. I can have more ideas. The real challenges come if the answer is yes.

If it "takes a village to raise a child", it will take the commitment of this village to raise this child. We will all be called upon at some point to contribute to the development of this child; be it with money or encouragement or guidance. There will be disagreement as to the best way to proceed, but, because everyone wants the survival of the child, proceed we will.

The grandparent role in this scenario is played by the MOA Foundation. They have been here before. It is said that there are no new ideas, only variations on a theme. That applies here for sure. Since starting this thread, I have had discussions with some of the founders of the Foundation. They have educated me as to the goals and mission of the organization. They have shared the history of past endeavors, and they have encouraged me to pursue this future. It is with their guidance and support that we proceed.

Yes. I am nervous. But, regardless of the outcome, there will be no regrets. All we can do is follow the path laid before us while making choices that we can be proud of.

PAGoldsby, the most incredulous individual whom I have never met, we all turn to you. Is it thumbs up or thumbs down? We await your decision.

[Voni]

Fingers crossed . . .

Voni
sMiling

[Oldhway]

:lurk

[Voni]

The August issue of Kansas Country Living - the electric cooperative magazine -
has an article about new life for an old school - The Marble Hill School - a half mile east of Strong City.

If you'll PM me your snail mail address I'll send it to you.
John and Debbie Kenny should be a great resource for what we have planned ; )

Voni
sMiling

[OU812]

I am not a gambler, but I would bet the schoolhouse is more then viable. Fingers, legs, and eyes crossed.:thumb :lurk

[bikerfish1100]

and the answer was/is/will be..... ????
c'mon Thomas, inquiring minds with heads up eyes want to know.

[From MARS]

PaGoldsby has made his decision: IT IS VIABLE!!!

I am sorry it took so long to post, but as soon as Phil, who is one hell of a nice guy, and I finished climbing around in the building, I had to ride to Wichita for my monthly club meeting. Just got home.

"The building has stood for 112 years and will probably be here 112 years from now," was his professional opinion on the schoolhouse. Unfortunately, he agreed with my assesment of the gym. It will have to be recycled. Anybody want a bunch of solid red brick from the early twenties?

I am going to post this and then continue to report.

[OU812]

:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap So happy to hear the GREAT news!

[From MARS]

Labor Day Sunday there is going to be a gathering of all who wish to come and look at the building and the area and talk about the future of our clubhouse. The Wichita club, the Shaft Twisters, is helping to sponsor a cookout that will begin around noon at the treehouse. Any wishing to attend, please send an email to me at: thomasseigler@therippleeffectproject.com. I'll be cooking burgers for as long as people want to eat and the fixin's hold out. There will be iced tea and maybe some potato salad as well.

Any who wants to come and stay for the night or weekend, let me know. Those that are already scheduled are asked to reconfirm that they will be here. Camping will be available for up to several hundred, but if we have that many, I'll need help.

That is also Cassoday Sunday. We can "show the flag" if anyone wants to ride the 30 miles or so down to Cassoday.

There will be a "hanging helmet" for contributions to offset the cost, but all will be fed. Even if you spent all your money on farkles at the last national, just get here. We'll find you a place to sleep and food to eat.

This is fun.

[The_Veg]

It'll have to be a last-minute call for me. I'm trying to change jobs right now so I probably won't know until just before whether or not I can go. Got the fingers crossed though!

What should temperatures be like that weekend?

[From MARS]

Veg, the temp that time of year can vary. We'll probably be no hotter than Dallas and have less humidity, but, when it comes to weather, I make no promises. You are only 7 hrs. or so away if you come by slab, but there are several ways to lenghten the trip if you have the time. I recommend OK Hwy 48 to K99. I've managed to stretch the ride from my house to Ennis, TX out to 11 hrs, but that was in the rain across OK. Hope you get to come.

PS: If you do come up I35, get off at US Hwy 77, and go North to the traffic round-about in Florence, pick up US Hwy 50 heading East. We're about 18 miles up the road.

[bikerfish1100]

count Marsha and myself in as well, Mr. Thomas.
Got a good twisty route coming in from Denver area.? No, i didn't really think so.

[PAGoldsby]

I will post something with a little more substance later today if I can, and then follow in a few days with something that resembles a bona-fide report.

In short, the stone superstructure of the building is generally intact. The wood floors, not so much. However, because of the antiquated layout of the interior of the building and the complete lack of any mechanical or electrical utilities in the place, that's just as well. The roof structure looks to be generally alright, with isolated areas of particular damage; nothing fatal, though.

The building has experienced some foundation settlement over its life. No big surprise, there. Welcome to the Midwest: Land of Expansive Soils. Probably the best thing that Tom has done to effectively preserve the building was to get all the bushes, tree, vines and other vegetation cleared out around the building. That will go a long way toward proper site drainage away from the foundation.

Like I said, I will post more late when I get some time, but my overall initial impression is that the building superstructure is intact and stable. I don't see any real problem, structurally, with the idea of gutting the interior and building it out with modern materials and facilities.

From an aesthetic point of view, the masonry is beautiful. You don't see craftsmanship like this in buildings anymore. Some of the little details are hallmarks of pride, and it's a real inspiration to see those toolmarks survive for more than a century. The view from the second floor out to the south is simply breathtaking.

Thanks for the great tour, Tom, and I hope to get back to Elmdale real soon. I did stop at your elevator for a few minutes. Very cool. I'd like to take a closer look at the other project in there some time.

Tom is just a terrific guy. He not only has the passion for this project, but he has the experience with older buildings. This isn't a lark. This is a very feasible project, initiated by an individual who has a realistic vision of just what can and can't be done. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to participate at whatever level I can.

More later...

Philbert

[Mar]

Recently, I purchased a limestone school, built in 1895, just to keep it from being torn down for the stone (snip)

Wow, that's majorly cool. Thank you for saving such an interesting and historical building, whether it becomes a clubhouse or not. I'll have to check it out next time in that area of Kansas.

[Mar]

I've sent Tom an email stating that I may be there on Labor Day Sunday. I need to shift some other plans that I had/have.

When the time comes, I do a pretty good job of interior painting. Unlike many, I kind of like to do it. I'm retired and I can volunteer my services.

[PAGoldsby]

I know I said I'd post a more detailed discussion yesterday, but I just didn't get to it. I've been collecting a number of thoughts about the structure, and I need to organize them and do a little research about some of the things Tom and I discovered on Sunday. Nothing too exciting - just want to be accurate about out dating of some of the features of the building. If anybody's an expert on antique nails and late-19th-century carpentry, speak up to Tom or me.

Once the project starts moving down the road, we're going to need an architect (preferably one who's LEED-certified - look it up) to flesh out some of the initial details of weather-proofing the interior.

The more I ponder what I saw on Sunday, the more optimistic I am for the project.

[From MARS]

As I sit here and have my morning coffee, thoughts of the project are bouncing around in my head.

How do we proceed? How do we finance it? How do we indemnify me? These are just some of the questions I am pondering. The answers are coming, but, I need information from some of the specialist in the group.

I know that money donated to a non-profit is tax deductable. Is time or "in kind" contributions also tax deductable? Any accountant that can answer this question is asked to do so.

Is it feasable to set up automatic deposits whereby members could pledge, say $20.00/month, to the MOA Foundation much like NPR or PBS does? We don't need $300,000.00 all at once. This could be a pay-as-you-go program. The Foundation would be our accounting department and dispurse the funds.

If we want to use the resource of the members to accomplish much of the "grunt work", then I will need to be indemnified against law suits in case of injury to a participant. My thoughts on this revolve around the Foundation taking ownership of the property for the stated purpose of establishing a members clubhouse. The cost of the insurance would come from the donations of money.

I will accept the responsibility of overseeing the project and of raising the funds through personal presentations to member clubs and interested parties across the country. The fund raising/promotional aspect is going to involve some expenses. These could be covered from the donations. I would need to have a stipend of $1000.00/month to cover my living expenses if this project is going to be my "job". Initially, these expenses could be accrued if there wasn't enough money in the kitty to cover them.

A little background on me. I managed a large yacht repair facility that performed major repairs to multi-million dollar yachts requiring the coordination of many skilled craftsmen. My people skills have been honed through positions in sales of services and products. I was even a successful Marine Corps recruiter. (Talk about a tough sell just after the Vietnam War ended.) The construction knowledge comes from building homes and having my own remodeling business. To boil it down; I am a problem solver.

I see this project as a "member's endeavor". We build our clubhouse for us. Much like a ride on our bikes, it is not the destination so much as the journey we get to enjoy. Sure, it may take a few years to complete, but the satisfaction of having done it ourselves will be enormous.

What are y'alls thoughts?

[Mar]

(snip) Is it feasable to set up automatic deposits whereby members could pledge, say $20.00/month, to the MOA Foundation much like NPR or PBS does? We don't need $300,000.00 all at once. This could be a pay-as-you-go program. The Foundation would be our accounting department and dispurse the funds.

If we want to use the resource of the members to accomplish much of the "grunt work", then I will need to be indemnified against law suits in case of injury to a participant. My thoughts on this revolve around the Foundation taking ownership of the property for the stated purpose of establishing a members clubhouse. The cost of the insurance would come from the donations of money. (snip)

You keep coming back to the Foundation. Perhaps you and Paul Glaves (the prez) should sit down and have a good heart-to-heart. Paul is a good guy and knows lots more than just motorcycle mechanics. The Foundation has money and could give a grant to this project to kick-start it even if it didn't own the property. I'm not suggesting that the Foundation *not* own the property. I really don't know the best approach, which is why you and Paul should talk.

But I do think it's a good idea that the Foundation be involved as far as donations go because donations will be easier to get if they are tax deductible.

Be aware that if the Foundation is involved, this clubhouse would have to be open to all motorcyclists, not just BMW riders. Foundation activities have to be open to all riders in order for it to have its non-profit status.

[From MARS]

Mar,
I have been away from motorcycling for ten years after having a near miss crash in a small town in East Texas. I wasn't injured, and my 88 K75C was rideable, but it did make me realize that there were still things in life that I wanted to do before I lost the ability to do them. So, I did.

As a result of my absence, there's a lot of history and personalities that I am not aware of when it comes to the club. When this idea was first hatched and posted, I thought this forum would be a good way to be absolutely transparent in my conception of and motive for creating a clubhouse. My hope was that those in positions of responsibility would contact me, either publicly or by pm, and a dialog could begin as to the best way (assuming a "way" was desired) to accomplish what seems to be a fairly popular idea.

I am willing, no anxious, to meet with anyone who wants to, and can, decide on a course of action. I will ride anywhere, at the drop of an invite, to discuss this project and to give them a chance to meet me. Even if Rick hasn't finished my new seat. The only exceptions to that statement are the seven days this month that I am commited to cooking at the senior center.

I agree whole-heartedly with having the Foundation collect the donations. There is no sense in reinventing the wheel, unless we create a better wheel. Great minds have worked on creating the Foundation, and the goals are lofty. I would be proud of having such an organization behind this.


Whether the club is exclusively for the use of BMWMOA members or open to all riders of like mind, is a decision that will have to be made by my fellow club members. It doesn't bother me to have riders of other brands around as long as they adhere to the club rules. I don't see a dinhgy bar in our future. Perhaps ATTGAT could be required dress of all riders who wish to use the club. Besides, the best way to win converts is to talk to heathens. (so to speak) When they hear our stories about our mounts, well, who wouldn't want one.

Thank you, Mar, for taking the time to add to my education. May the learning continue. I truely hope to see you at the gathering.

[kbasa]

You keep coming back to the Foundation. Perhaps you and Paul Glaves (the prez) should sit down and have a good heart-to-heart.


Actually Eric Simon is now president. Brad Benn is also VP and is a regular here.

I'd reach out to those guys.

And yes, Paul Glaves is genuinely Good People.

[gambrinus]

Hey Sausage boy, What's your take on all of this?

RW

[Mar]

Actually Eric Simon is now president. Brad Benn is also VP and is a regular here.

I'd reach out to those guys.

And yes, Paul Glaves is genuinely Good People.

Oh, oops. :) I guess some things happened at the rally that I was not aware of.

[kbasa]

Hey Sausage boy, What's your take on all of this?

RW

I'll say, in all honesty, that I don't think it's something the MOA should pursue.

In order for this to operate, we'd need to create an entirely new operations division and staff to support them. We would, in effect, have to get into the hospitality business, which isn't something I think we should be doing.

The requirement of 2 to 300K in investment to get the structure restored to habitable condition is a serious investment, as would be the requirement for ongoing staffing, operating remotely from STL. This doesn't even begin to consider furniture and other items necessary to actually get the structure ready to use.

I see these two items, initial investment and then operating funds going forward as a potentially major drain on the finances of the BMW MOA. I don't see how we'd even start to break even on this for a very long period of time.

For example, what would we charge for overnight stays? $15? We'd need to have 20,000 people go through before we'd even begun to break even on our investment, let alone begin to recoup our daily operating costs and whatever the financing was on the initial investment.

I'm certain that the surrounding area is beautiful, but I don't see it as a destination for riders like a spot in Vermont, the Southeast or out west would, where even fairly popular motorcycle oriented lodging/camping centers have a rough time during portions of the year.

It may be in line with the MOA Foundation's objectives to build a Ride Center that would serve as a training center, but that's their decision, not mine. For this reason, I've recommended that conversations be directed to Eric Simon and Brad Benn, who serve as President and VP of the Foundation.

I think, for those reasons, that it's probably in the MOA's best interests to take a pass at this point. I certainly am appreciative of the enthusiasm and generosity, but I think this isn't in line with our objectives. We already have a full on club HQ in STL and folks are welcome and encouraged to drop by.

[BradfordBenn]

It may be in line with the MOA Foundation's objectives to build a Ride Center that would serve as a training center, but that's their decision, not mine. For this reason, I've recommended that conversations be directed to Eric Simon and Brad Benn, who serve as President and VP of the Foundation.

Howdy All-

Yup, I have been lurking. Eric and I had a brief conversation this evening about the Clubhouse idea. We are going to talk some more about it. But first....

Thanks to Thomas for the great project and thanks to the many others who made recommendations for the Foundation.:clap :clap

[From MARS]

Dave,
Thanks for your honesty. I am glad that someone in authority has finally stepped up and made a definitive statement as to their position. It allows the members to know where the leadership stands on this issue. Since we have chosen you to lead, I am glad that you are doing just that.

Now the question becomes, are we, the members, ready to let go of the project? There are still the options of the Foundation and private enterprise. Mutiny is not an option.

This project is designed to bring together those of like minds. BMWMOA is a great organization that does a terrific job of promoting all things Beemer, and Dave is doing his job of looking out for what he considers the best interest of the club. Personally, I think that the savings in rent on the headquarters alone would make this project feasable, but then I am not privy to all the data.

I will continue towards the goal of creating a unique place for riders to congregate. The idea is to have a comfortable, fun, and safe location for friends to meet and to meet friends. Since I avoid the traffic of large population centers when I travel, the likelihood of my stopping by the headquarters for a visit are slim, but it is nice to know that I would be welcomed if I were to do so.

I still have my lance and trusty steed. Bring on the windmills.
Tom

PS: The gathering is still on for Sept 2. Let's have some fun, and discuss our options. BTW Kansas really isn't flat; its just subtle. Like our sense of humor.

[OU812]

Hey, private donations can be a possibility if the BMWMOA does not wish to carry the ball, no? I know I want to see this baby through.
Steve

[kbasa]

Dave,
Thanks for your honesty. I am glad that someone in authority has finally stepped up and made a definitive statement as to their position. It allows the members to know where the leadership stands on this issue. Since we have chosen you to lead, I am glad that you are doing just that.

Now the question becomes, are we, the members, ready to let go of the project? There are still the options of the Foundation and private enterprise. Mutiny is not an option.

This project is designed to bring together those of like minds. BMWMOA is a great organization that does a terrific job of promoting all things Beemer, and Dave is doing his job of looking out for what he considers the best interest of the club. Personally, I think that the savings in rent on the headquarters alone would make this project feasable, but then I am not privy to all the data.

I will continue towards the goal of creating a unique place for riders to congregate. The idea is to have a comfortable, fun, and safe location for friends to meet and to meet friends. Since I avoid the traffic of large population centers when I travel, the likelihood of my stopping by the headquarters for a visit are slim, but it is nice to know that I would be welcomed if I were to do so.

I still have my lance and trusty steed. Bring on the windmills.
Tom

PS: The gathering is still on for Sept 2. Let's have some fun, and discuss our options. BTW Kansas really isn't flat; its just subtle. Like our sense of humor.

No problem.

The HQ is actually in Ballwin, which is a suburb of STL. It's pretty rural.

And the folks that work there are all pretty neat.

[Bokrijder]

I don't read Dave's statement as a hard veto, note that he starts, " I think" and then goes on to present his arguments. This is how a round table discussion works.
Tom started this ball rolling with admirable intentions and an admirable effort. I have sensed two lines of direction on this , one being a club house, the other headquarters. For any meaningful progress or discussion to go forward, a formal proposal or mission statement should be drafted. This would include a budget proposal, time line projections, and feasibility research and discussion. Using the guidelines followed in the Grant Writing field would be a good start. After the presentation of this draft, valid arguments and counter arguments can take place.

I did have to chuckle when Dave alluded that 300k is tough nut to crack. That may be true, but 300K will get one in a basic mini starter home in my part of the country.

Motard

[SheRidesABeemer]

For any meaningful progress or discussion to go forward, a formal proposal or mission statement should be drafted. This would include a budget proposal, time line projections, and feasibility research and discussion. Using the guidelines followed in the Grant Writing field would be a good start. After the presentation of this draft, valid arguments and counter arguments can take place.



I agree with this 100%. If people are interested in putting together a proposal, the organization can take it under consideration.

I must have missed the headquarters proposal? Let's keep in mind the MOA is a professionally managed organization that runs on a business plan not on whimsy.

Gail Hatch
Member of the Board of Directors

[Bokrijder]

I agree with this 100%. If people are interested in putting together a proposal, the organization can take it under consideration.

I must have missed the headquarters proposal? Let's keep in mind the MOA is a professionally managed organization that runs on a business plan not on whimsy.

Gail Hatch
Member of the Board of Directors


Gail,

A headquarters mention was make in the club house poll thread. It is a little confusing as the discussion is taking place in two locations.
This highlights the need for a formal proposal thus preventing the topic fragmenting into splinter discussions and directions.

Motard

[kbasa]

I did have to chuckle when Dave alluded that 300k is tough nut to crack. That may be true, but 300K will get one in a basic mini starter home in my part of the country.

Motard

Tell me about it. I live in Marin County, where the median price of a home is $750K.

I'm not trying to put an end to this proposal. I'm trying to be pragmatic and make sure people understand that the structure is only the start. The subsequent items are onerous indeed and I'm not sure they fit in with the club's objectives or abilities.

And, under no circumstances are we moving HQ out of Ballwin, MO.

[From MARS]

Gail,
The moving of the headquarters came up in the thread about voting on this project. Dave mentioned that he would not even want to consider moving the headquarters due to the longstanding staff. (post #15)

Frankly, it wasn't part of the original plan, but his statement did get me to thinking about BMWMOA expenses. Then, when I was told in a private conversation the approximate amount we pay in rent on the current headquarters, I was a little shocked. Perhaps the figure I was given, high five figures, is incorrect. Maybe the actual amount is considerably less. I don't know.

Nor do I know what the space requirements are for the administration. It may be that moving the headquarters is unfeasable due to space requirements, but if we are a business, then moving our headquarters into an asset rather than paying rent, seems to make sense if it is feasable to do so.

I am in complete agreement that it is time to start nailing down some of the details. Perhaps a meeting can be set up and/or information published in the ON magazine about the project to inform the members that don't make it to the forums as to what we are discussing.

I apologize if I have stepped on toes, but this is a new dance for me. Is it time for me to go sit down and let the professionals have the floor? My emails and pm's indicate a continueing interest in the project and a fear that the music will stop if the musicians are not encouraged to continue playing.

Tom

[From MARS]

One and all,
We have received our first concrete pledge of support in the amount of $1000.00.

I have decided to pursue a relationship with the MOA Foundation. Their goal of a ride center/training facility is a compatable and honorable use for the school. Post #106 outlines the basic proposal that I will send to the president of the Foundation, Eric Simon. I see no reason why a portion of the facility can't be set aside for the use of touring/visiting riders since the needs of the students who come to the classes and those of the riders passing through, are identical. The experienced, properly outfitted riders will be good examples for the new riders to follow.

If you would like to be part of this endeavor, send me an email, thomasseigler@therippleeffectproject.com. Please include the amount of your pledge so that, when I present the offer to the Foundation, I can show them how much support there is for the project.

Pledges don't have to be monetary. If you have a skill that would be useful in the completion of the project, offer your expertise. We will need people who, like PAGoldsby our structural engineer, are willing to roll up there sleeves and get busy.

I appreciate all of the comments that have been posted and the support that has been expressed via pm's and emails. If the Foundation accepts the proposal, I will be on the road visiting clubs, rallys, and other gatherings where riders congregate and will have the opportunity to meet all of you who have commented on this project. I am looking forward to it. When you see me, go ahead and get your check book out because, I promise you, I'm going to ask for a donation. It won't need to be a large donation, although large donations will definitely be appreciated, if everyone who believes in the safe operation of motorcycles contributes something. Besides, would you really rather give it to the IRS?

More important than the size of the donation is the continueing support of the members of this organization, and members of organizations like this one, for the goals of the MOA Foundation. We are starting up a road that has no end. Even after the school is renovated and the ride center a reality, motorcycle safety and training is going to have to be preached constantly as there are always new riders entering our world. So, spread the word. Email everyone you know that has an interest in the safe operation of motorcycles and tell them about the project and of our need for their support.

As for as I am concerned, this ends this thread. A decision has been made and the implementation of it is begun.

Tom