Was it really necessary.............

[kreinke]

for CNN and the newspapers (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-604crash,0,5245361.story?page=1&coll=sfla-home-headlines) to show pictures of the two mile-long blood trail!

CNN actually drove the route and followed the trail showing the blood and chunks right during my lunch hour last night.

Is it me or was this a little over the top?

[bowhunter]

Sub-human piece of sh*t

[rinty]

One of the cardinal rules of media reporting: "If it bleeds, it leads."

Rinty

[Emoto]

I can think of no better candidate for the death penalty.

[OHScot]

Eye for an eye...

[username]

i don't even know what the heck you're talking about.

don't tell me.

less tv = more life.

[Motor31]

Death in traffic is often gruesome.

This case has passed beyond the level of a traffic collision, this is murder.

[mrich12000]

:nono :nono

[KGT1200]

OK calling all Lawyers all Esquires to the pro bono forum court..Lets Play Ask A Lawyer! surely we have a Lawyer in the house since all of us drive Beemers, we must have a legal opinion amongst us!?

If A man caused the dealth of a woman by dragging her after her clothing caught on the car, and without premeditation, would that be 2nd Degree Homicide?

If A person, say wrapped a chain around someones neck and then drug them, is that then 1st degree? Hows this degree of charges apply?

Just because this guy had no plans to murder this gal, he gets off with 2nd degree? Is that the distinction here?

Red

[knary]

From what they're reporting (IOW, all disclaimers apply), two idiots made some very bad choices resulting in the death of one of the idiots. It's sad however you look at it but to get on the hood of a car, however angry you are at the driver, is incredibly stupid.

[GeneT]

for CNN and the newspapers (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-604crash,0,5245361.story?page=1&coll=sfla-home-headlines) to show pictures of the two mile-long blood trail!

CNN actually drove the route and followed the trail showing the blood and chunks right during my lunch hour last night.

Is it me or was this a little over the top?

This happened just a few blocks from where I live, and yes the local TV news people get carried away with this sort of thing, but of course they apologize up front saying it might be a little graphic.

The only time I watch TV news is to see if any of my neighbors have been shot.

Paradise lose,

Gene

[Motor31]

This depends on the laws of the state involved. You'd have to examine the statutes that could be applied to the situation to determine the appropriate charges. Not every state has identical classes of homicide or vehicular homicide.



OK calling all Lawyers all Esquires to the pro bono forum court..Lets Play Ask A Lawyer! surely we have a Lawyer in the house since all of us drive Beemers, we must have a legal opinion amongst us!?

If A man caused the dealth of a woman by dragging her after her clothing caught on the car, and without premeditation, would that be 2nd Degree Homicide?

If A person, say wrapped a chain around someones neck and then drug them, is that then 1st degree? Hows this degree of charges apply?

Just because this guy had no plans to murder this gal, he gets off with 2nd degree? Is that the distinction here?

Red

[hlothery]

From what they're reporting (IOW, all disclaimers apply), two idiots made some very bad choices resulting in the death of one of the idiots. It's sad however you look at it but to get on the hood of a car, however angry you are at the driver, is incredibly stupid.

I completely agree, but remain appalled at the mentality it takes to continue to drive while dragging someone under your car. Whether you initially meant to do it or not.......how can one not think about what you are doing while it continues to happen? I just can't fathom.......

[john1691]

I'm sure he is just a product of his enviroment, probably only had one TV in the house growing up, and the old version of Nintendo, not the new one. Maybe someone stole his bike as a kid and he was still dealing with anger issues.........Any number of reasons to make it someone else's fault.

We live in a world full of evil people, why be suprised when they act evil? It certainly is sad for her family, like any number of families with lost loved ones. What do we do about it besides feel sad?

[The_Veg]

There was a vaguely similar case in Fort Worth a few years ago. A woman collided her car with a homeless man, who wound up on the car's bonnet with his head through the windscreen. The woman drove home and parked her car in her garage and closed the door, leaving the man- who was still alive- to die, which he did.
I don't remember the exact sentence she got.

[kreinke]

I completely agree, but remain appalled at the mentality it takes to continue to drive while dragging someone under your car. Whether you initially meant to do it or not.......how can one not think about what you are doing while it continues to happen? I just can't fathom.......
I wholeheartedly and respectfully disagree.

People need to take a stand on this kind of stuff. I don't think the couple acted inappropriately at all. I believe the citizenry should dole out ritualistic ass-kickings to these retarded people whenever possible.

I probably would have done the same thing myself if someone hit my nice truck ot bike and tried to take off.

[Belquar]

When people are enraged, they do not think. They do things they normally wouldn't do. Rage is a dangerous thing.

As for the media showing the gruesomeness of the crime....well I am ok with it if it raises public awareness and results in a stiffer sentence for the convicted person.

This guy will probably get off comparitively easy though if he has a good lawyer. He could simply claim he feared for his safety. The other facts will not substantiate that too much, but it may mitigate things a bit.

Too often we paint ourselves too pretty a picture of the messed up crap that goes on in our own country. A little awareness will go a long way.

Now....did the media show that to increase awareness or make a buck....Make a buck you can be sure but is that really a suprise?

[knary]

I wholeheartedly and respectfully disagree.

People need to take a stand on this kind of stuff. I don't think the couple acted inappropriately at all. I believe the citizenry should dole out ritualistic ass-kickings to these retarded people whenever possible.

I probably would have done the same thing myself if someone hit my nice truck ot bike and tried to take off.

There are some hills to die on, but your car or truck or bike isn't one of them.

[Rapid_Roy]

I think people now days are fed up with things. The Police tell you "we don't really have to protect you" and people feel impotent when things like this happens. They are tired of feeling "helpless" and tend to lash out in some fashion. Road rage is an excellent example of people "not taking it anymore." People shouldn't be able to bounce through life wrecking other people lives and then go "oops, sorry."

The thread on here about the rider kicking the door of the Porsche as he tried to pull into him while talking on his cell phone. Had he been successful, the rider would have been laying on the ground, with possible damage to bike and self, and the guy would have got out of his Porsche and said "oops, sorry," when he shouldn't have been talking and driving in the first place, or at least paying more attention. Not only that, if the driver could afford a better lawyer, he might be able to weasel out of a fitting punishment, and tie the thing up for years in court. All the while you are healing and trying to replace your bike. That would make the rider even feel worse. You can't possibly avoid every situation where an idiot can hurt you. That is what I think triggers people to do things like this incident. It is rage, as the other gentlemen pointed out, mixed with a feeling of helplessness.

[tessler]

When people are enraged, they do not think. They do things they normally wouldn't do. Rage is a dangerous thing.

As for the media showing the gruesomeness of the crime....well I am ok with it if it raises public awareness and results in a stiffer sentence for the convicted person.

This guy will probably get off comparitively easy though if he has a good lawyer. He could simply claim he feared for his safety. The other facts will not substantiate that too much, but it may mitigate things a bit.

Too often we paint ourselves too pretty a picture of the messed up crap that goes on in our own country. A little awareness will go a long way.

Now....did the media show that to increase awareness or make a buck....Make a buck you can be sure but is that really a suprise?

+1, Brian.

Raising awareness is where it's at.

Road rage — any kind of Rage for that matter — is most certainly not.

[blake]

suggested reading, matthew 5.


Eye for an eye...

[kreinke]

There are some hills to die on, but your car or truck or bike isn't one of them.

I see your point. But by not taking a stand on the little things the creeps are emboldened to do the bigger things.

My dad always had this "Don't get involved" mentality when it came to helping stranded motorists, people in trouble, etc. Maybe this is just my was of rebelling against that now that he's gone.

Call me a fool if you will. IF someone hit my truck (or some on else's and I was there) you can bet I that if I couldn't have pulled him out of his window I would have followed him until one of us was able to get a cop or run out of gas.

This last winter I dogged an individual who was clearly drunk. He sped out of a mini-mart after hitting one of their gas pumps. I followed this clown for 1/2 hour talking to the cops the whole time on 911 across 2 jurisdictions. Immediately before I decided to call authorities he went over the center line and nearly cause a semi to go down a snowy embankment.

When the cops finally did pull him over he attempted to elude, spun out, and went to the bottom of a raving. I'll never forget looking down watching him exit his car with a brown bottle of Miller Lites clutched in his hand as he met the cops.

Did he do anything to me personally? No. But at that time of night there could have been a family coming home from a late night movie or basketball game. What if he would have plowed in to them?

[Rapid_Roy]

suggested reading, matthew 5.
It does seem odd to teach this guy that killing is wrong by killing him.

[Rebgen]

+1 :thumb

I've done the same thing twice in the past year...the most recent being last weekend. The first was a guy attempting to hold his Harley steady enough to mount it. I watched as he fell over several times before a "well-meaning" passerby helped him onto the bike. I had my wife and two children with me and decided to call the police. I also had to follow him about 15 minutes until they caught up with him. He couldn'ty even take a single steady step during the roadside check.

Last weekend the same thing happened only with a large 1970's Lincoln Continentel leaving a park packed with children. I was on a running path along the roadway and this guy who's very drunk proceeds to stop the car and get out to talk to me. He rambles on about how he's in training for a triathalon the following weeknd. The guy is 250lbs and over 60 years old and enjoying a Marlboro. After he runs out of things to ramble about he gets back in and drives off.

I called in the plates and description and stayed on line until he was apprehended. As far as I'm concerned, it's like cleaning garbage off the street. My kids were riding their bikes in that park. It's only a drop in a very large bucket but I'm turning anybody in that I see is obviously intoxicated and operating a vehicle around me or my family.

[Belquar]

It is our responsibility as citizens to report crimes in progress. To many people look the other way. That is how many crimes are able to take place in large crowded places. No one wants to see the ugly part of this world.

It is like what they teach people in self-protection courses....don't cry for help. Yell fire or something that will garner a response. Crying for help may get folks to look the otherway.

Sad state of affairs. People will often go out of their way to help an animal over a person.

[sjbmw]

From what they're reporting (IOW, all disclaimers apply), two idiots made some very bad choices resulting in the death of one of the idiots. It's sad however you look at it but to get on the hood of a car, however angry you are at the driver, is incredibly stupid.

There is a saying called "playing the percentages". This lady bet the house on a long shot. The guy refused to stop, and she is standing in FRONT of his vehicle?
For what? A fender bender?

Not condoning anything, the guy will do 20 years as he should.

The punchline to all this is that when this stuff happens, you are usually on the hook for the deductible no matter who hit you. The $500, reporting a tag number, and forgetting it seems a small price now.

Hey, like Stephen King says: "Humans are a fine herd, but you must admit we are ripe for thinning".

[hlothery]

I think people now days are fed up with things. The Police tell you "we don't really have to protect you" and people feel impotent when things like this happens. They are tired of feeling "helpless" and tend to lash out in some fashion. Road rage is an excellent example of people "not taking it anymore." People shouldn't be able to bounce through life wrecking other people lives and then go "oops, sorry."

The thread on here about the rider kicking the door of the Porsche as he tried to pull into him while talking on his cell phone. Had he been successful, the rider would have been laying on the ground, with possible damage to bike and self, and the guy would have got out of his Porsche and said "oops, sorry," when he shouldn't have been talking and driving in the first place, or at least paying more attention. Not only that, if the driver could afford a better lawyer, he might be able to weasel out of a fitting punishment, and tie the thing up for years in court. All the while you are healing and trying to replace your bike. That would make the rider even feel worse. You can't possibly avoid every situation where an idiot can hurt you. That is what I think triggers people to do things like this incident. It is rage, as the other gentlemen pointed out, mixed with a feeling of helplessness.


You gotta watch those Porsche drivers.....they're a wild bunch. Some of them even belong to motorcycle organizations!











(Proud owner - Guards Red Cayman):hide

[Rapid_Roy]

I bet you are correct, and I was trying to avoid stereotyping. I may be able to afford one some day. I won't talk on my cell phone though, I'll be busy drivin'.

[The_Veg]

It does seem odd to teach this guy that killing is wrong by killing him.
Perhaps but vengeance feels *SO* good!

[Emoto]

It does seem odd to teach this guy that killing is wrong by killing him.

The lesson is not for him. Murder is always wrong. Killing is sometimes warranted.