Sex Offenders

[GeneT]

This may be of interest to those with small children and beautiful wives.

www.FamilyWatchDog.us


:gerg

[wmubrown]

Someone at work showed me this the other day, it's AMAZING (and scary!) how many people are out there! Turned out one of our female employees is in there! I have a couple in my neighborhood even, though they don't look familiar so I wonder just how 'up to date' this is?

[Pat Carol]

I feel that this is a great invention. We have a guy on the list that lives a mile east of our home. he should still be in prison. Just recently he was busted for operating a meth lab.
I am very disappointed with the county prosecutor. This guy is still walking the streets even though he violated probation and was running a meth lab.
Now if we go to the bar and have only two 12 oz. beers, you are over the legal limit and you will rot in the Alpena County Jail. Justice is so blind up here in northern Michigan.

PC

[kreinke]

I've got one 500 feet away bordering my back lot line!

I'll be showing the pictures to my kids of this creep for sure!

[OfficerImpersonator]

This may be of interest to those with small children and beautiful wives.

www.FamilyWatchDog.us


:gerg

I would be leery of any advertising-supported website purporting to provide you with public information otherwise available from legitimate government websites.

I work in the criminal justice system, specifically dealing with sex offenders, and I've never heard of this site before. Federal law has established a U.S. Department of Justice website with sex offender information and has also required each individual state to establish their own websites disseminating sex offender registration information.

My first hunch is that this web site is simply collecting addresses and emails for commercial purposes. Put your address in the search box and you'll start receiving junk mail and spam.

You'll notice there is no mailing address for this website. You'll notice that it's not a ".gov" website. You'll notice no "800" number for contacting those running the website.

If someone has information that this isn't a scam to get your mailing and email addresses, please post it!

Here is a link to the federal government's official national sex offender registry website: http://www.nsopr.gov/

Here is a website that will link you to the sex offender registry in your state:
http://www.governmentguide.com/health_and_safety/sexcrimemap.adp

[OfficerImpersonator]

Further investigation tells me that while the data returned from this website is reasonably timely and accurate, they are also trying to sell you software that is supposedly designed to "protect your children from online predators".

I recommend you use the official government websites and don't patronize businesses that attempt to sensationalize and over-state the dangers in order to sell their product. Common sense and good parenting will protect your children from online predators. You don't need a computer program to be an involved and vigilant parent.

One more note about sex offender registries - those who are on the registries are living their lives under a microscope. They are subject to random and unannounced visits from the police and their probation officers. They are subject to random and unannounced polygraphs and penile plethysmographs (you should Google "penile plethysmograph" - or "PPG" - you wouldn't believe me if I told you).

Sex offenders like keeping their crimes, perversions and proclivities a secret. When their identity and crimes are published online and divulged at community meetings, they loose their cloak of secrecy and thus the ability and desire to offend.

It's the sex offenders we don't know about that pose the risk. Also, 98% of all sex offenses are committed by someone known to the victim - parents, siblings, uncles, grandparents, close family friends/neighbors. Only 2% of all sex offenses are committed by a stranger. Keep track of your kid's activities, whereabouts, friends and acquaintances and you'll be well on your way to ensuring your child doesn't become a victim.

Just don't submit to the hysteria - especially when it's used to sell a product of dubious value.

[jdmetzger]

Further investigation tells me that while the data returned from this website is reasonably timely and accurate, they are also trying to sell you software that is supposedly designed to "protect your children from online predators".


While I GREATLY prefer to keep sex offenders living FAR AWAY from me, I had to look up this "PPG". One thought i have is for the few that have been wrongfully accused/convicted, this seems like cruel and unusual. I also don't see how this can help the REAL offender, either. It's sickening.

[shoeman]

In larger metropolitan areas most County Sheriff's offices that have websites have these offenders posted. Unfortunately they don't differentiate between an 18 year old guy busted for having sex with a 17 year old and a pervert molesting someone. Having said that, to much info in this instance is better than none at all. I have some convicted offenders living within a few blocks. I wish it had more detail than it does, but again thankful for what is there. With a recidivism rate of over 90% on sex offenders I am bothered so many are out running around.

[jdmetzger]

In larger metropolitan areas most County Sheriff's offices that have websites have these offenders posted. Unfortunately they don't differentiate between an 18 year old guy busted for having sex with a 17 year old and a pervert molesting someone. Having said that, to much info in this instance is better than none at all. I have some convicted offenders living within a few blocks. I wish it had more detail than it does, but again thankful for what is there. With a recidivism rate of over 90% on sex offenders I am bothered so many are out running around.

Speaking of recidivism and lenient sentencing, here is a good story on cnn:

"During the nearly three-week trial, prosecutor Steve Fein showed jurors a map of the "places and decades where the defendant has molested young boys." It included an estimated 100 accusers dating to 1969 in eight U.S. states, Mexico and Brazil."

They are finally giving him 150 years.

Full story here:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/01/29/molester.sentenced.ap/index.html

[OfficerImpersonator]

While I GREATLY prefer to keep sex offenders living FAR AWAY from me, I had to look up this "PPG". One thought i have is for the few that have been wrongfully accused/convicted, this seems like cruel and unusual. I also don't see how this can help the REAL offender, either. It's sickening.

The way the PPG test works is that a person is fitted with a penile cuff. The person is instructed to do whatever is necessary to achieve an erection. This erection is measured by the cuff as the baseline erection.

Then the examiner (usually a polygrapher who has expanded their polygraph practice to include PPG testing) shows various types of pornography to the individual. Their responses to presented stimuli determines the results of the test.

Yes - it's entirely true that the state uses child pornography to determine if a suspect or convict is sexually stimulated by children. The individual is shown photos and videos, or listens to audio scenarios, describing all sorts of sexual situations - age-appropriate hetero and homosexual sex, age-inappropriate (i.e. minors) hetero and homosexual sex, and consensual and non-consensual situations involving both age-appropriate and age-inappropriate situations.

I think it's wrong to say that in this once instance, it's okay to show sex offenders child pornography, but in every other situation, it's a crime to even possess the stuff. Either it's always wrong or it's always right. When it comes to child pornography, there are no situational ethics.

Ah the fun things that happen when you marry the criminal justice system with psychology!

[GeneT]

I would be leery of any advertising-supported website purporting to provide you with public information otherwise available from legitimate government websites.

I work in the criminal justice system, specifically dealing with sex offenders, and I've never heard of this site before. Federal law has established a U.S. Department of Justice website with sex offender information and has also required each individual state to establish their own websites disseminating sex offender registration information.

My first hunch is that this web site is simply collecting addresses and emails for commercial purposes. Put your address in the search box and you'll start receiving junk mail and spam.

You'll notice there is no mailing address for this website. You'll notice that it's not a ".gov" website. You'll notice no "800" number for contacting those running the website.

If someone has information that this isn't a scam to get your mailing and email addresses, please post it!

Here is a link to the federal government's official national sex offender registry website: http://www.nsopr.gov/

Here is a website that will link you to the sex offender registry in your state:
http://www.governmentguide.com/health_and_safety/sexcrimemap.adp

Whatever feeling is you should go with it, but obviously you do not know who John Walsh is. His son was abducted from a Miami shopping center many years ago and months later his head was found in a lake near Gainesville, Florida.

John being obsessed with loss of his son later caused the loss of his wife. John has dedicated himself trying to make others aware of this tragedy and the fact it can happen to them.

He is the dude you see on America's most wanted TV show, which has been responsible for the capture of many fugitives over the years. And yes he may be selling something in his effort to make people aware of these child molesters, but he is definitely legitimate. When in doubt just type his name into your browser and read.

:stick

[basketcase]

Have mercy -- the things we read on this web site... :huh

And all this time I thought PPG was a shoulder braced anti-aircraft missile launcher.

Also, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement:I think it's wrong to say that in this once instance, it's okay to show sex offenders child pornography, but in every other situation, it's a crime to even possess the stuff. Either it's always wrong or it's always right. When it comes to child pornography, there are no situational ethics.Basically this amounts to the government saying, "We will break the same law we wish to convict you of -- if it will help up convict you."

Child molesters are uniquely sick and despicable humans who need to be monitored and kept away from past and potential victims. But something is perversely wrong with the system when the prosecutor can stoop to the same criminality without being accountable to the same law.

Finally, or local sheriff’s department maintains a government monitored link to the Alabama site. I about fell out of my chair one evening when I looked on the site and found my 4th grade YMCA basketball coach in the list! My Mother always took me to practice and waited, and to games etc., and then took me home. But it made me look back and wonder, “Just how close did I come to that heartache,” and “Who among my friends carries that wound to this day?”

[glwestcott]

In larger metropolitan areas most County Sheriff's offices that have websites have these offenders posted. Unfortunately they don't differentiate between an 18 year old guy busted for having sex with a 17 year old and a pervert molesting someone. Having said that, to much info in this instance is better than none at all. I have some convicted offenders living within a few blocks. I wish it had more detail than it does, but again thankful for what is there. With a recidivism rate of over 90% on sex offenders I am bothered so many are out running around.

I am a clinical psychologist and ran outpatient clinics for the department of corrections parole division for several years. The recidivism rate that is quoted is way out of line. The majority of sex offenders offend against a family child, either their own or a stepchild, and have poor boundaries around their sexual behavior, but are not true pedophiles (who probably represent about 5% of those arrested for child molest.) Of those who fit in the former category, given a prison sentence, the recidivism rate runs about 5%. This is the vast majority of sex offenders. For the true pedophile who's sexual arousal is hard wired for children, the recidivism rate is very high, but again, those people are in the far minority of those who are arrested for sex offenses.

I once had a person who had committed a cold blooded murder and was out in 7 years with no need to register. One wonders about the hysteria around these creeps. For a twenty year old who has consensual sex with a 15 year old and has to register for the rest of his life, it seems draconian. I think we need some more fine tuning in these laws.

[wezul]

Enough already.
Next subject, please.
Sheesh.
Creepy.

[KGT1200]

I pulled up the small city where I used to work as a alcohol counseler for years,
I see A LOT of the people I used to work with on this site!

Are there lots of drunks that molest, or molesters who get drunk?

:banghead

[kbasa]

I think "indecent exposure" will get you listed on some sites.

If you come out of a bar and take a leak behind a dumpster and get caught, the usual charge is "indecent exposure".

Take the "sexual predator" listing sites with a grain of salt.

[Burnszilla]

I think "indecent exposure" will get you listed on some sites.

If you come out of a bar and take a leak behind a dumpster and get caught, the usual charge is "indecent exposure".

Take the "sexual predator" listing sites with a grain of salt.

Also, if you get caught streaking with your fraternity brothers.

[basketcase]

I think "indecent exposure" will get you listed on some sites.

If you come out of a bar and take a leak behind a dumpster and get caught, the usual charge is "indecent exposure".

Take the "sexual predator" listing sites with a grain of salt. That is an interesting observation.

In 1986 I went on a teaching trip to India. There were 18 people on the mission team, about half of which were women.

In India, it is culturally acceptable for the men to whiz on any light pole or the side of any building. So if the typical U.S. standard of "indecent exposure" is applied, huge numbers of the male population in that country would qualify as an offender.

Naturally, the entire trip entailed a cultural adjustment for all of us, and the ladies on the mission team were initially shocked at the public nature of the -- shall we say, "restroom habits."

The operative word in that sentence is initially. Towards the end of the stay in country, five of us were standing in a circle on a street one day in a discussion about finagling travel to our next destination. A man walked up and while standing within four feet of the group, relieved himself in the nearest open sewer. The two ladies in the group were in a position to see his action, but no one batted an eyelash.

My point?

First, I agree that "offender" status needs to be looked into before one makes a definitive judgment. And I think that offender status over simple indecent exposure is bordering on harsh.

Next, what is offensive in one place may be culturally the norm in another. Over there, most of the men pee on the light poles and no one thinks anything about it, while over here it will get you thrown in the slammer in most places. So much of our consternation is rooted in a very narrow base of experience.

Am I suggesting we drop our standards regarding public nudity? No, I am not. I would just as soon people here maintain their affinity to restrooms, and given the southern regional issues with obesity, I can only imagine the horror of unrestrained nudity where I live...

Finally, I am also not making light of the severity of the impact of abusers who interject such emotional and social wreckage into so many innocent lives. I have had countless conversations with survivors of abuse of every type since August 1975, and many of them live with lifelong scars to the soul. And just like a physical scar, sometimes they remain very sensitive to any touch.

With those things said, I would observe there is a certain hysteria that accompanies the term "offender," and that hysteria probably harms some otherwise benign culprits. So maybe with the subject on the table a type of wisdom will arise that isolates the true predator, and forgives the harmless whizzer.

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Overhead frequently on the golf course: "No ma'am -- we don't know who he is." :brow

[snoone]

Any MOA members on the list?? As much as these sex offenders horrify and disgust me, these big brother are watching you sites almost tickle the same nerve. Who is to be the one to guarantee accuracy of the info. Most of these are not court managed or sponsored by law enforcement. I pity the poor soul where a mistake has been made or that actually might be innocent of the crime they are accused of on these sites and try and get their names erradicated. I'm sure there's at least one.

Ever try to fix a mistake on a credit report or deal with identity theft? Not the easiest thing in the world to do..

How about creating a site that pinpoints the location of all Pakistani immigrants and where they live.. or Saudi nationals that might just live here. Even better how about a map that pinpoints specific ethnic or religious minorities to aid homebuyers in choosing where to live . Anything wrong with that?

And in addition to the above rant. I'm not so sure this thread belongs on a site specifically meant for BMW motorcycle topics and issues concerning the club.

[Easy]

I feel that this is a great invention. We have a guy on the list that lives a mile east of our home. he should still be in prison. Just recently he was busted for operating a meth lab.
I am very disappointed with the county prosecutor. This guy is still walking the streets even though he violated probation and was running a meth lab.
Now if we go to the bar and have only two 12 oz. beers, you are over the legal limit and you will rot in the Alpena County Jail. Justice is so blind up here in northern Michigan.

PC

Don't be disipointed with the prosecutor. The judge is the knucklehead that determines how low the bond is set. Sounds like you need a new judge.

Easy :german

[basketcase]

Said Snoone:And in addition to the above rant. I'm not so sure this thread belongs on a site specifically meant for BMW motorcycles topics and issues concerning the club.This protest inevitably pups up about "motorcycle board."

How many rallies or other events have you attended in which the only, and I mean the only conversation in progress was about bikes ... tires ... seats ... electrical issues ... bearings ... tie downs ... roads … and so on, ad nauseum?

Yes, people do talk about bikes. But they also sit around at their tents and sometimes, the shared campfire, and talk about any and every thing under the sun, including politics, grandchildren, sports, current news events and the media obsession of the week, and sometimes, truly difficult subjects such as the one in this thread.

Maybe the only life some of the members here have is BMW motorcycles and the narrow confines of hanging out here to see what new threads about bikes ... tires ... seats ... electrical issues ... bearings ... tie downs ... roads … and so on ad nauseum have appeared today, but the majority of people here have a larger life and the subjects they talk about reflect it.

Finally, if the national statistics about abuse rates are accurate, some 50% of the females and 35% of the males affiliated with this club through direct membership or family connection have been personally impacted by "offenders" of some description. Many of those people live with a nagging (and sometimes, crippling) unresolved burden of emotional pain, and until they find an opening for healing, the pain those survivors deal with is a drain on every area of their life. And the oppressive curtain of secrecy and the denial by others is huge contributor to keeping them trapped in the heartache. Oddly enough, the door is cracked open for healing when someone has the courage to talk sensibly about the subject.

If someone wants to deal with their personal issues this is not the place, but others talking about it rationally adds value to the human dynamics of this club. And I think that when we get to the real bottom line, the club exists because of the human relationships that make it possible.

So I would see a reasonable discussion of the topic as acceptable, and it certainly belongs on Campfire rather than over in Gear or Airheads.

End of rant…

:gerg Oh yeah – since this is Campfire and the place for miscellaneous topics, I’ll add one other thing.

Thursday night is bike night at Temerson Square in Tuscaloosa, and I can only imagine the conversations tomorrow about the astronaut in diapers and a trench coat who sprayed her romantic nemesis with pepper spray over a man… :dunno

The Harley crowd is going to have a heyday with it… Maybe I should jump up on a table with my brew in hand and tell everyone, “This is bike night – you can’t talk about that!” :nono

Geezem, I mean, what exactly are they doing on that space station, anyway! :huh

And with our tax dollars… :brow

:bolt

[snoone]

There are great things that came out of the Space Program. Remember tang ? Now I learned that if I am on a long trip I can wear a diaper and not have to stop for bathroom breaks. Yup no public urination here and proper risk management to stay off the sex offender lists ! That is rocket science.

Has anyone been disqualified for wearing a diaper in the Iron Butt ?

Is there a rule you can't wear one ? They make adult sizes.

Could it be the Wet Butt 1000 ? Or the Crusty 11000 miles in 11 days ? Or will we be missing the bravo, tough rider persona of oh I didn't see anything the whole trip but I got a sticker and license plate frame ? I know it is off the old bike. :thumb

That made me laugh:laugh By the way I just bought a new gun.. I hope no one is thinking about taking it away from me:laugh