Proof - Vista Not a Ripoff of Mac X

[PAULBACH]

Finally a dispassionate study of Vista and Mac X operating systems

VISTA (http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=b26f34614:10f90dbca3d:-1493&rf=bm&fr_story=d14603c1e23e6ce37920a8134a2e27b1405a4991&st=1166367887668&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fvn=8&fr=121706_093851_26f34614x10f90abdca6x7085&rdm=733200.195782172)

If the reviewer were on the forum, think of all the cleaver responses.

Is anyone in a hurry to upgrade?

[cjack]

Finally a dispassionate study of Vista and Mac X operating systems

VISTA (http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=b26f34614:10f90dbca3d:-1493&rf=bm&fr_story=d14603c1e23e6ce37920a8134a2e27b1405a4991&st=1166367887668&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fvn=8&fr=121706_093851_26f34614x10f90abdca6x7085&rdm=733200.195782172)

If the reviewer were on the forum, think of all the cleaver responses.

Is anyone in a hurry to upgrade?

I am. Entertaining review. While I watched it, I wondered how you could copy a triangle. Or a search box. It's almost as though a similarity like a 3D chess game is put there to irritate the other OS folks. Fun anyway.
I'll buy it. Should I wait until SP2 comes out for Vista?

[ian408]

hahaha! that's some funny stuff.

but i bet veeesta will sell well.

[PAULBACH]

A terabyte hard drive to store the code.

A dedicated T1 line just to keep the patches up to date.

Does anyone remember DOS 3.1 and Word Perfect? :gerg

[ian408]

Does anyone remember DOS 3.1 and Word Perfect? :gerg

yeah but we've all moved on :D

[nhlkats]

not amused by this "review" of vista, however obvious the point.
If you're going to make a parody review, at least *attempt* to make it funny.

http://www.ypok.com/img/2807/linux-penguin.jpg

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_beta1_01.asp

NYTimes FTL.

[BradfordBenn]

I think after all this I am going back to Windows for Workgroups 3.11

[DarrylRi]

Does anyone remember DOS 3.1 and Word Perfect? :gergWhippersnapper. I used to have to carve my own ICs out of wood. With a dull penknife. I wrote a whole database with just 1s and 0s. Except that the keyboard didn't have any 1s or 0s and I had to use the O and L keys.

http://darryl.crafty-fox.com/images/fortranpunchcard.jpg

[Mika]

I made the move to mechanical penicls. Now I have to decide on notbooks and type of paper to use.
:lurk

[PAULBACH]

I remember the stylus and wet clay. I remember when this was state of the art:

[bubbagazoo]

I think after all this I am going back to Windows for Workgroups 3.11


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!


I would rather cheer for the Devils :D





And going back to the video, for those who may not be aware, David Pogue is a columnist for MacWorld magazine and has written many books on the Macintosh OS going back to the version 7.x days.

[BradfordBenn]

Whippersnapper. I used to have to carve my own ICs out of wood. With a dull penknife. I wrote a whole database with just 1s and 0s. Except that the keyboard didn't have any 1s or 0s and I had to use the O and L keys.

You had wood! I had to use mud and I did not have a penknife, I had to use a stone that I banged against another stone to sharpen.

[Crow18]

We used to dream of using mud.

I used to have to wake up at 3 in the morning, half an hour before going to sleep, gnaw through me own arm to get at the white and red blood cells that I used for me ones and zeroes, use me mouth as a centrifuge to separate them, and then I had to work sixty hours nonstop coding printer drivers while our old dad sawed through me neck with a bit of toenail.

But you try telling that to the young folk nowadays.

[wmubrown]

Does anyone remember DOS 3.1 and Word Perfect? :gerg

Remember? I still have a few of the install disks! ;)

[cjack]

Remember? I still have a few of the install disks! ;)

Ah...babies...I still have a full version of Dos 6.0 and the 6.2 upgrade. I had Dos 4.01 in the original album, but don't see it around. Might have gotten tossed in the last cleanup frenzy.

[bubbagazoo]

DOS! I remember using CP/M on DEC Rainbows. I also used the old DEC PDP 8. To run a program, you had to load each line of code one line at a time by flipping switches to either 1 or 0 and then pressing the load switch. When all of the lines were loaded, you depressed the run switch, hoping that you did not make any mistakes in the loading process. :banghead

The first time I used a computer of any kind was way back in early 1979.

I also owned a PC that didn't have a hard drive -- 2 X 720 kb disk drives with 640kb RAM. DOS 3.x fit into RAM. Then you would eject the boot disk and pop in your application disk to run the program. MS Works V1 came with the computer but I did get my hands on WordPerfect 5.1 and used it instead. I still have the WP diskettes. And if I look hard enough, I think I have the DOS 3.x diskettes as well.

[RandallIsland]

But you try telling that to the young folk nowadays.
Dad used to work for Big Blue; retired after 27 years, a plethora of patents and aggravation working for people he didn't respect. I saw that, even as a kid, as something I would NEVER do. Not sit in front of a terminal, no way.
But I get it. I respect it. You old timers did the uphill both ways so I don't have to type, can scan photos with the push of a button and listen to hot music for less than pennies. Thanks guys. We young'ns really do appreciate it.:clap
33 is young, right?

[PAULBACH]

And then there was the Radio Shack Rainbow which loaded programs with a tape recorder. It actually had very good audio. :gerg

[dancogan]

DOS! I remember using CP/M on DEC Rainbows. I also used the old DEC PDP 8. To run a program, you had to load each line of code one line at a time by flipping switches to either 1 or 0 and then pressing the load switch. When all of the lines were loaded, you depressed the run switch, hoping that you did not make any mistakes in the loading process. :banghead

The first time I used a computer of any kind was way back in early 1979.

I also owned a PC that didn't have a hard drive -- 2 X 720 kb disk drives with 640kb RAM. DOS 3.x fit into RAM. Then you would eject the boot disk and pop in your application disk to run the program. MS Works V1 came with the computer but I did get my hands on WordPerfect 5.1 and used it instead. I still have the WP diskettes. And if I look hard enough, I think I have the DOS 3.x diskettes as well.

Way back in the late 60's I was system analyst on an IMB 7090. Bigger than the house we live in now. We used to debug programs the same way: enter the digital code on the console, in hexadecimal. Ugh!

[Motor31]

I'm in no hurry whatever to switch. Right now XP is working ok so until I HAVE to do it, I'll stay with what works in favor of what is new and full of bugs. :lurk

[warredon]

Anyone work with the old core memory of the 50's & 60's that was eventually replaced by the silicon chips in the 70's. At only 60 years of age, I sometimes feel like one of the young members on this forum.

[cjack]

DOS! I remember using CP/M on DEC Rainbows. I also used the old DEC PDP 8. To run a program, you had to load each line of code one line at a time by flipping switches to either 1 or 0 and then pressing the load switch. When all of the lines were loaded, you depressed the run switch, hoping that you did not make any mistakes in the loading process. :banghead
.

Yeh...we had to toggle in a bootstrap program and then we got a Model 19 TTY with a tape reader. Cool beans.
And also did machine language on the 7090...
AND had to walk 18 miles in the snow from the lab to the computer center...heh.

If anyone tops this, I'll be forced to tell you about my first PC, the Scelbi 8.

[GregFeeler]

Remember? I still have a few of the install disks! ;)


Funny you say that. The other day I was cleaning out a very dark and scary corner of my study at home and found a set of Windows For Workgroups 3.11 install disks! :bolt

[GregFeeler]

I also owned a PC that didn't have a hard drive -- 2 X 720 kb disk drives with 640kb RAM. DOS 3.x fit into RAM.

Does anyone remember the Sinclair? Or the early TRS-80 Model I's - both of which used a cassette tape deck to store and load programs?? Floppy drives indeed - so that's what it's like to be born with a silver disk drive in your mouth!! :rofl

[Mika]

I remember the Sinclair. I had a Zennith "laptop", portable was a more apt description. Twin floppy drive with no hard drive. 10+lbs of computing power.

[cjack]

I still have an "IBM Portable Computer". Orange screen and the keyboard flips down after you lay it down on it's side. Weighs a bunch. I think it has a 10 Meg drive in it plus the 5 inch floppies.

[nhlkats]

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9530/1157674963303ps5.jpg

[bubbagazoo]

Thankfully, my only exposure to Model 19 teletypes was to take typing tests. 66 wpm on that keyboard -- who'da thunk it. We didn't have them hooked up to computers though. We used their successor, the Model 28 for actually sending messages. :type Oh, yeah, I can copy Morse code at 35 wpm.

I did play with a Trash-80 for a little bit but didn't get too involved.

[DarrylRi]

Anyone work with the old core memory of the 50's & 60's that was eventually replaced by the silicon chips in the 70's. At only 60 years of age, I sometimes feel like one of the young members on this forum.
Yeah, I programmed an IBM 1620. It had 20,000 digits of core memory. It was nicknamed the CADET - can't add, doesn't even try - because it did math by using a lookup table in low memory. (The table could be changed, and as the core memory didn't need power, it was a common trick to change the add and multiply tables and see what happened to the next guy's job...)

http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/images/2423PH1620.jpg

[kbasa]

Does anyone remember the Sinclair? Or the early TRS-80 Model I's - both of which used a cassette tape deck to store and load programs?? Floppy drives indeed - so that's what it's like to be born with a silver disk drive in your mouth!! :rofl

:ha

Tina sold TRS80s when she was in high school, working at Radio Shack. In about 1982, I bought a Xerox 820 CP/M machine that had two of those neat new 5 1/4 inch dual floppies! It even had 64K of RAM! I also bought a Diablo 40cps printer that sounded like a machine gun.

Oh man.

[bigdelta]

:doh

[dancogan]

I still have an "IBM Portable Computer". Orange screen and the keyboard flips down after you lay it down on it's side. Weighs a bunch. I think it has a 10 Meg drive in it plus the 5 inch floppies.

Oh, I used to LUST after one of those. Went the Apple route instead...

[1flyer]

Anyone work with the old core memory of the 50's & 60's that was eventually replaced by the silicon chips in the 70's. At only 60 years of age, I sometimes feel like one of the young members on this forum.


I remember core memory. I was a collage student in the 60's and one of our computers had one. We also had a 7090 we programmed using a brand new concept. Instead of using 80 column punch cards we had something called mark sense cards. You'd take a number two pencil, fill in the dots, and then load it into the computer through a machine that would read the dots. Magic!

[GregFeeler]

:I also bought a Diablo 40cps printer that sounded like a machine gun.


I used to sell a lot of Diablo printers to law firms - those things would (almost) never die. However, one did once and I salvaged the print head guide rail. This is a nearly two-foot round stainless steel bar about 16mm in diameter. It is one the handiest tools in my shop. For one thing, it's perfect for knocking out the inner races of forkhead bearings on airheads and Klassic K-bikes.

[cjack]

I remember core memory. I was a collage student in the 60's and one of our computers had one. We also had a 7090 we programmed using a brand new concept. Instead of using 80 column punch cards we had something called mark sense cards. You'd take a number two pencil, fill in the dots, and then load it into the computer through a machine that would read the dots. Magic!

I think we had 4K memory boards in the DEC PDP8s. Sometimes a driver would go bad on one X or Y wire and we'd fix it to save a thousand dollars or whatever it was. I was looking at 1 Gig memory yesterday at Sam's. About $120 I think it was.

[RatSnake]

I think we had 4K memory boards in the DEC PDP8s. Sometimes a driver would go bad on one X or Y wire and we'd fix it to save a thousand dollars or whatever it was. I was looking at 1 Gig memory yesterday at Sam's. About $120 I think it was.

I can remember paying $32,000 and change for 32K of memory for a 360 30 in 1968. Before that, my first stored program computer (as opposed to wired board accounting machines), was a 4K 1401, which accumulated data from cards and paper tape for a 7090 sitting next to it.

[BradfordBenn]

And what scares me was today me and some of the programmers at work today were having very similar discussions. However we were talking about DSP and FPGA's... man did I feel old cause I remember doing audio with analog!!