Got ticket in Vermont

[94867]

I got ticketed in Vermont after the rally for not coming to a complete 100% stop at a stop sign (with the LEO lying in wait in an unmarked car). Anyone know what the consequences are for someone from another state simply not paying or contesting the ticket? Thanks.

[Motorman]

It depends. If the ticket is a criminal offense you could end up with a warrant for your arrest should you ever go back to Vermont. That warrant may or may not be entered on NCIC (national data base). If it is, it will show up any time you are stopped and your info run on a wants / warrants check. I doubt seriously that there would be any extradition for traffic offenses so you wouldn't be held to go back to Vermont. It may also show up when you renew your license which won't make the licensing state very happy and they may not renew depending on their procedures.

If the ticket is civil, meaning not criminal they will lilkely suspend your driving privelidges. By placing this info on the national computer it is available to all other states and would result in your license at home being suspended as well which would likely be a criminal ticket. In AZ. that situation remains until you satisfy the original violation in the issuing state. In other words it stays suspended until you take care of the ticket in Vermont.

You need to make a choice as to what you want to do, contest the ticket, pay it or suffer whatever the consequences may be if you disregard it.

I notice you didn't indicate whether or not you actually did come to a full and complete stop.

[Callmethebreeze]

I got ticketed in Vermont after the rally for not coming to a complete 100% stop at a stop sign (with the LEO lying in wait in an unmarked car). Anyone know what the consequences are for someone from another state simply not paying or contesting the ticket? Thanks.

Depends upon your state mv laws. Some states won't let you renew your license or registration with an outstanding ticket even if from another state.
I suggest just paying and moving on. Think of it as a donation to the local community.

Breeze

[94867]

Thanks for the above replies, gives me some info to think about. I should've acknowledged that I wasn't 100% stopped. I suppose I was going a few (less than 5) mph, just to keep from putting my feet down. I don't pretend that is OK or a good habit, just seems a bit picky to hit me for $200. If the only consequence of not paying (contesting would require returning 2000 miles for a court appearance) the ticket is not being able to return to Vermont, then I'd ignore the ticket. But having my state suspend my license is probably not worth risking. Thanks again for the replies.

[85343]

Most states have agreements that will suspend your license in your home state if you do not pay a ticket in another state. The ticket you received is a civil ticket. No warrant would be issued. I have stopped numerous people over the years that were very surprised to fine their licenses suspended in VT because of an unpaid ticket 1500 miles away. I don't bother slow rolling stops if the driver checks for traffic and is safe. I save the tickets for the idiots that blow through signs without any regard for safety. Your safe bet is to pay the ticket.

Kurt

[Oznay]

Reminds me of the joke where a guy gets stopped for not stopping,and is complaining to the cop. The cop takes his billy club and starts beating the guy on the head,and says",do u know the difference between slowing down,and stopping?" :nono

[PAULBACH]

A full stop gives you options.

Remain stopped
Go left, right, straight

A rolling stop limits options and is inherently more dangerous. Come to a full stop the next rally is calling. :wave

[GeneT]

A few years ago I got a speeding ticket in SC, I was actually going 6 mph over the posted speed on a four lane devided highway which was dry. The officer was headed the other direction and turned around to stop me offer me a lip service regarding a hazard of the possibility of my striking a deer.

This little lecture also included a ticket which stated they do not accept personal checks, well as it turns out they did in fact accept my check via US mail and the information never reached my home state license dept.

:dance

[BubbaZanetti]

i'd say pay it, it's amazing the level of interconnectedness between various state's dmvs and municipal services. i got a PARKING ticket in LA (street cleaning) on my airhead. i tossed the ticket. 3 months later i got a letter in the mail and the ticket had been jacked up to 94 dollars. i called and explained it "must have blown away" sice it was on a mc. they told me i needed to come to cali for an appeal. i sent them the 94 dollars.

[magwa]

Yeah......

If there's the possibility of collecting money, there's a lot of co-operation across state lines. DMV and Insurance Companies have it figured out.

OTOH, if you are only a wife beater, you can probably move from state to state with impunity.

[bernie]

I was just in Montana. The speed limit there now varies from 55 to 75. I was going between 80 and 85 on a 75mph road. A Mt Hiway patrol came over a hill. He flipped on his lights. I slowed down to see if he would come get me. He continued on his merry way as I did. This is the second time this has happened to me in Mt. on the same road between Great Falls and Ft Benton. :jawdrop

[rinty]

An acquaintance of mine drove from Calgary to Salt Lake City and back last year, on the interstates. He told me he set the cruise control on the rental car at 90 (mph) and had no problems with any police he encountered on the way.

Rinty

[PHMarvin]

Hi, Rinty,
OF COURSE he had no trouble. No one wanted to take Canadian dollars then!!! :)

[rinty]

Our peso is finally climbing back up there, (or more correctly, the U.S. dollar has finally dropped to lower levels) so the cost of our trips south is a lot less painful now. We can even buy stuff now!

But if's funny about law enforment; this spring I was giving my RS it's "clear out the carbon run", and rolled by a cruiser at 150 km/hr, just west of here. He never even looked sideways. I think sometimes you get lucky when they have just been called, or they're going off shift.

Rin

[Visian]

He flipped on his lights. I slowed down to see if he would come get me. He continued on his merry way as I did.


this is how the cops in montana tell you to slow down a bit. they're pretty understanding out there. back when the speed limit on open roads was "reasonable and prudent" i had this happen to me while cruising at a reasonable and prudent 110.

the troopers lights came on about 2 nanoseconds after he crested the hill and my radar detector went full red.

after i realized i wasn't going to be pulled, i had to stop and change underwear.......

[Visian]

i can usually stop my bike and not put my feet down for a few seconds.

got a ticket for that once.... not coming to a full stop even though i was motionless.

cop said my feet weren't down, so i wasn't stopped.

fought it in court and won.

[Rollifahrer]

Got a ticket near Peoria, IL, 95 bucks, boring corn fields there so I sent $$.

Another in North Carolina, "mandatory" appearance. Could have bought one of the lawyers who solicited to rep. me. Beautiful area, nice weather in May went back for "court". It was a little town called Marshal on the French Broad River, not far from the town of Hot Springs where i rented a nice room for 44.00. Court house and court room directly from "To Kill a Mockingbird". Full of traffic offenders, most offered a deal. Mine was plead to 69 in a 60 (versus 84 in a 60) and pay 100.00 fine and 100.00 court costs. Could have stayed to see judge, but might have had to come back another day and maybe pay the full penalty and still pay court costs. Was anxious to get on the road to a meeting in Atlanta that night and more riding on the w/e, so I payed.

Both events are noted on my driving record, but carry no points in OH, but would have resulted in suspended lic. if not paid. Be assured, it will follow you. The insurance companies are in cahoots with Big Brother and all the Local Nephews.

My brother is a wingnut with mega-miles, he says: It's not a fine; it's entertainment tax.

[jmerlino]

Thanks for the above replies, gives me some info to think about. I should've acknowledged that I wasn't 100% stopped.
Then you were guilty. You got caught. Pay the price.

[Motorcyclist]

States where I've received tickets allow you to call the court and ask to speak to the prosecutor and have him hear your side of it. It might result in a reduced penalty. $200 seems pretty stiff for a California stop, particularly if you checked to see the intersection was clear. Give it a try, phone calls are cheaper than the fine!

[Pat Carol]

I have learned the best way to get out of a ticket is to answer when asked, Do you know why I have pulled you over? A simple yes sir, I was speeding (which I do a lot of if on I-75 in Michigan.) A great attitude towards the police officer usually helps make the officers job easier which in turn means no ticket, just a warning.
If I am riding the super slab somewhere in Michigan, I usually ride slightly faster than traffic. I like to keep the cagers behind me. Usually my speed average is less than 10 mph over the posted speed limit.
A lot of times if you are not riding like an idiot the police will not bother you. Another plus is proper safety equipment when riding. Proper training and proper riding gear can make a big difference when dealing with the LEO. The local police up here in Northeastern Michigan comment on what I wear when I ride. Summer gear I wear mesh tech pants and coat. Fall and winter, I break out the Aerostitch. Along with that are Sypatex boots and a Jarow full face helmet.
It can be uncomfortable wearing all that gear at times. I never kick a leg over my bikes without thinking of a deer or cager striking me. The LEO's like my attitude.

Take Care & Ride Safe
Pat Carol :thumb :bikes

[The_Veg]

In my experience, if you are pulled over in TexSUX you will get the ticket at least 90% of the time, regardless of how much of a Boy Scout you try to be before or after the lights go on. One municipality equips their officers with little hand-held computers that read a swipe of your license's mag-stipe and print a ticket fast enough for the face-time with the cop to be about thirty seconds. We also have a state law that if you set a court date, the officer issuing the citation must be notified of the appearance but is not required to appear. They generally do appear though, especially state troopers. I've fought a few tickets and have never done better than taking the defensive driving course option- I avoid the points but the state or municipality still gets the money. Costs me more up front than just paying the fine, but the insurance savings are worth it.

[rinty]

I've fought a few tickets.......The Veg

I don't get that many speeding tickets but I dispute most of the ones I do get. In my home city you can enter a plea right at the counter outside the courtroom, and then you just show up for the trial. Dockets are usually full and the Crown will usually offer to convert the ticket to a no-points camera one. Keeps my record clear, the government "earns" its money, and the police, prosecutor and traffic magistrate have all done their job.

Rinty

[username]

Thanks for the above replies, gives me some info to think about. I should've acknowledged that I wasn't 100% stopped. I suppose I was going a few (less than 5) mph, just to keep from putting my feet down. I don't pretend that is OK or a good habit, just seems a bit picky to hit me for $200. If the only consequence of not paying (contesting would require returning 2000 miles for a court appearance) the ticket is not being able to return to Vermont, then I'd ignore the ticket. But having my state suspend my license is probably not worth risking. Thanks again for the replies.

sounds like you're going to the do the right thing and pay it.

[Burnszilla]

I have learned the best way to get out of a ticket is to answer when asked, Do you know why I have pulled you over? A simple yes sir, I was speeding

The ACLU disagrees..

Busted: The Citizens Guide To Surviving Police Encounters (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8520847761350501823&q=How+to+Avoid+being+Arrested+by+Cops)

[BradfordBenn]

I think everyone has a different view on the issue.

My answer is to be honest, no sense to be lieing. I figure cops get enough BS all the time I should be polite and let them do their job. 18 plus years without a performance award :)

[The_Veg]

The ACLU disagrees..
Thanks Stephen. ALL questions other than requests for physical action on your part (e.g. produce documents, step out of vehicle, etc.) should be regarded as attempts to get you to self-incriminate.

[Motorman]

It never ceased to amaze me with the number of folks who figured they were going to get out of a ticket by being a total hemorhoid. It was just bewildering to think someone was going to let them go because they had a foul mouth, made intimidating threats or just simply screamed alot. The street lawyers were fun too. It isn't necessary to get any incriminating statements at all. The violation was observed and the ticket isssued. Discuss the matter in court if you want but it isn't going to happen on the street.

[BradfordBenn]

Thanks Stephen. ALL questions other than requests for physical action on your part (e.g. produce documents, step out of vehicle, etc.) should be regarded as attempts to get you to self-incriminate.

Ah see here comes the whole Miranda Rights issue, one can get way too much thrown out of court as the officer did not tell you your rights.... but like I said I go with the honest approach.

[fauster]

I appreciated the honesty of the person at the Gauley Bridge, WV District Justice office who took my call after I had gotten a performance award.

I asked "Will this violation be reported to my home state?"

She replied "If you pay the fine on time, we'll keep it between us."

[vtpaul]

I got ticketed in Vermont after the rally for not coming to a complete 100% stop at a stop sign (with the LEO lying in wait in an unmarked car). Anyone know what the consequences are for someone from another state simply not paying or contesting the ticket? Thanks.

Just curious, what town did you get ticketed in. May help me out in the future! :brow

[miragemanvt]

occurs when you have your driving privileges suspended in one state (even if you're not from that state).............40+ states adhere to a uniform license suspension law's provisions and your driving privileges will most assuredly be suspended concurrently in ALL of those states. Getting stopped for driving under suspension may or may not be severely punished in some states, but in others it's akin to a most heinous act for which you'll pay dearly. Adding insult to injury is the mess you'll get in with your insurance company if you get ticketed for driving under suspension. Some states require a financial responsibility filing, aka an SR-22 filing, be made with the state DMV. Your insurance carrier has to file the form with the state where you commited the offense that resulted in your driving privileges being suspended. From my experience (30+ years as an insurance professional) when a carrier is asked to do that for you most likely you will soon thereafter be unceremoniously dumped by it, and you can generally kiss any preferred rates or standard markets goodbye. Those discounted rates you've grown accustomed to paying will become a sweet thing of the past, and a great raid will be inflicted upon your wallet. In other words, you'll quickly become cannon fodder...........non-standard market rates (meaning higHER) for at least three years is the best you can hope for. Oh, by the way, got a personal umbrella? You may no longer be eligible due to the filing, or, if you are with some specialty (read that as REAL expensive) company, wait 'til you see the havoc you have brought down upon your insurance program. Best bet? Pay the fine, chalk it up to experience, and, if you want to live on the edge, save yourself a few bucks for the next ticket you're bound to get!

[94867]

Just curious, what town did you get ticketed in. May help me out in the future! :brow
The ticket says Brighton, which I can't find on my map, but it was in the NE corner of the state. Thanks again for all of the replies, and I plan to pay the ticket.