Nice Rally!/Quiet Camping?

[Jeff Brown]

Had a great time at the rally. Saw many, many wonderful BMWs, even a couple rare ones like my own, a RED '96 K1100RS.

Bought some new boots (Oxtar Matrix) to replace my old leather square-toed cowboy style ones. Good thing, too, 'cause we rode home in the rain Saturday.... Bought a nice tool kit bag from H2H. Really works great! Thanks, Helen! Tried a pair of molded earplugs. I have heard (pun intended) that they really DO cut down on helmet-related noise, specifically the booming that comes from the area under one's helmet. I don't know whether the mold didn't work, or if my ears are weird/I'm a little deaf already, but I didn't notice much if any improvement when we rode into town for dinner Friday night. The vendor was kind enough to refund the price. I will try again, as I think it *should* work Lotsa goodies, food, entertainment was rockin'.

My only real beef was on Saturday morning. We had camped out near the far end of the "quiet camping" area, strategically near (but not too near) a portapot. I figured this would work out well - it did in Ohio. Early Saturday morning, 530am to be fairly precise, some a$$hole decided to hold forth in full voice about his Battery Tender, and opinied as to how "I only bought the Schuberth because I love gadgets," or some such (yes, you MUST know who you are). Of course, he had a willing audience, who chimed in from time to time with their own varied opinions. How they misunderstood the "quiet" part of "quiet camping" eludes me. Am I nuts to think that continuous loud voices at 530 Saturday morning is somehow NOT OK, or are these folks just plain inconsiderate and downright obnoxious? I would have gotten out of the sack to take them down, but I figured my advice would have been ignored. "Never argue with an idiot...," etc. Besides, my wife was holding me down, saying its not worth it, I don't have bail money, and so on. Oh, well. A single incident in an otherwise enjoyable experience.

Thanks immensely to all the sponsors, organizers, volunteers, donors, and everyone else who made the rally possible. See you next year!

Jeff Brown
Deering, NH

[ThomasRizzo]

"Pisssssst Hey, wake up! It's almost 4am, you wanna do a demo ride or what?" :)

[RedHotRT]

Ditto,

I was surprised at the number of people riding around on their bikes after 23:00, threading their way around the tents.....
Personally, I left my bike on the side of the road (by my tent) and WALKED to and from the exhibits and beer tent. Just a bit more respectful of people who wish to turn in early in the QUIET SECTION....

Other than this one beef, my first rally was a blast. Friendly people, interesting products, beautiful bikes and thank you to all the volunteers who did a fantastic job. :wave

[Kutcher]

Ahh hah!
I went and camped in the loud section. Other than the port o potty door slamming shut all night and two tents down having a very good snoorer... It wasen't bad at all! :brad


Kutch

[Unregistered]

Not only did I neglect to sleep on the "quiet Section" . Saturday night I realized I'd forgotten to request the DRY section! Damn rain!

Anyway, it was a great time.

Nice Job MOA!

[flybike]

My first rally also and of course fell for the 'Quiet Section' joke also...

Jim

[Belg]

Those of us lucky enough to find the pet excercise area (had no idea it was that at first!) early enough to pitch camp had a sweet, mostly quiet campground. Except, of course, when we weren't being quiet :) Kinda ironic.. the wolf in the pet excercise area. Hmm, I could make a few jokes about that one...

The mosquitos sure got a workout on me though.

[FredRydr]

From my experience, "Quiet" should not be used to describe any camping area at the MOA international rallies. How about "Less Noisy" so no one is disappointed?

I camped there one night and headed back to the peace and quiet (and roads) of the Adirondacks on Friday and Saturday

Great rally! Thanks to everyone who made it possible.

Fred

[andy45320]

...Tried a pair of molded earplugs. I have heard (pun intended) that they really DO cut down on helmet-related noise....

A pair of cheap foam plugs from a drug store do wonders on the bike and off , say when you are sleeping in the great outdoors...idiots or owls they make for better shuteye.

[Unregistered]

I was in the quiet area, right next to the Gonzo Touring guys (hi Willie!), and had no problem at all. It seemed that everyone got up at 5AM to beat the crowds to the showers, though. No problem for me.

Tom Steele

[Unregistered]

I too thought that I was in a quiet area. Much to my chagrin, on one side of me were a couple from Alabama who wouldn't/couldn't shut up. It was as if they had just discovered speech! On the other side I had a couple who had no regard for fellow campers, and carried on as if it was their own private campground. The best part was when they decided to become amourous.Yes I was jealous, but at the time, it was after 23:00 and I would have preferred to continue sleeping. BTW, I wear ear plugs while sleeping at rallies for the exact reasons stated. I think this all stems from the fact that there is a general lack of respect for other individuals personal space, blah...blah...blah

Dave

[Merv the Perv]

Did you get any pictures ? Please post..

[SheRidesABeemer]

Earplugs baby, the only way to have quiet camping.

:violin What is it you expect, people to be signing from 11:00 PM to 8:00 AM? There are inconsiderate jerks everywhere. It's unlikely next years volunteer rally coordinators will be able to eliminate jerks from attending the rally. Perhaps you can sponsor some legislation...

[Unregistered]

Guys, it's a campground, not a monastery. People get up at different times, snore, burp, fart, screw, etc. As long as people didn't carry on loudly until 2AM, it didn't bother me in the least. Maybe I'm just used to camping with a bunch of type-A skydivers on the weekend.

I had to leave early Sat. morning, so I apologized in advance to those around me for the inevitable rustling of nylon and such, but by the time I got up (6AM) it seemed half the people around me were already up and about.

[Callmethebreeze]

Guys, it's a campground, not a monastery. People get up at different times, snore, burp, fart, screw, etc. As long as people didn't carry on loudly until 2AM, it didn't bother me in the least. Maybe I'm just used to camping with a bunch of type-A skydivers on the weekend.

I had to leave early Sat. morning, so I apologized in advance to those around me for the inevitable rustling of nylon and such, but by the time I got up (6AM) it seemed half the people around me were already up and about.

I enjoyed listening to the guys behind me sitting around telling lies and jokes until I put my plugs in and dropped off at midnight.
The best was Sunday am when at 0600 I was awakened to "Well I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer" sung by one of the gezzes. I replied, "hey Jim, is that you? Sure sounds like it, you know, dead for 35 years" He replied, "excuse me but I'll have you know that I have been invited to leave some of the finest dining and drinking astablishments anywhere because of my singing" Made my day. This isn't the Sierra Club.

Breeze

[The_Veg]

I'll vouch for earplugs. I really doubted that I'd be able to sleep with them in, since when I wear them while awake there is not a single moment when I can't feel them in there, constantly reminding me of their presence. But one night in Lima there was no escaping the sound of the band, so I tried the plugs- sure enough, I conked right out and slept very soundly. They worked again one night this past May when I was at the Boxerworks Forum Rally in Oklahoma and found that the patch of woods in which I was sleeping just happened to be the goddam whipoorwills' favourite place too, and their wee-hours racket was UNBELIEVABLE! Earplus to the rescue! :thumb

[bubbagazoo]

I'll vouch for earplugs. I really doubted that I'd be able to sleep with them in, since when I wear them while awake there is not a single moment when I can't feel them in there, constantly reminding me of their presence. But one night in Lima there was no escaping the sound of the band, so I tried the plugs- sure enough, I conked right out and slept very soundly. They worked again one night this past May when I was at the Boxerworks Forum Rally in Oklahoma and found that the patch of woods in which I was sleeping just happened to be the goddam whipoorwills' favourite place too, and their wee-hours racket was UNBELIEVABLE! Earplus to the rescue! :thumb

Ear plugs to camp. Who woulda thunk it? I occasionally wear them to sleep at home. My DSW :heart can get quite loud with the snoring and every once in a while I just have to put in the ear plugs. It's either that or consume way too much coffee the next day. :coffee

[rbottin]

For all of your complaining about noise, If you stayed near the Airheads tent Thursday night or was it Friday morning, you would have heard the idiot who brought the firecrackers, 3 packets.
I moved to the back 40 and slept better.

Roger Botting

[The_Veg]

Funny you should mention that Robert. Not only did I have the whipoorwills to put up with in Oklahoma, but the snoring from the next tent. When I jokingly asked the couple whos' tent it was about it, the responses were vague but I deduced that it was the wife who was the stronger snorer. Makes me glad they declined my offer to stay at my place on the way to up (although they did park the bike in my garage- so I can now say that for one night I had a Daytona Orange R90S in my garage- too bad it wasn't mine!).

[Jeff Brown]

Earplugs baby, the only way to have quiet camping.

:violin What is it you expect, people to be signing from 11:00 PM to 8:00 AM? There are inconsiderate jerks everywhere. It's unlikely next years volunteer rally coordinators will be able to eliminate jerks from attending the rally. Perhaps you can sponsor some legislation...

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Sheesh, Gail, legislation? Do you know me? I just kinda thought 530AM might have been a wee bit early to be hangin' out in an area where everybody else must have SEEMED to be asleep, yakkin' about Battery Tenders and Schuberth hats, etc., on a Saturday morning, maybe after a nice session in the beer tent Friday night, especially since those of us who camped in the "QUIET CAMPING" section may have had an expectation that it might be quiet at least 'til, well, 6AM. I guess I was wrong!! Please don't be too hard on me.....

You're right about jerks - I sure hope you don't think I'M one for wanting to catch some much needed sleep. Next time I'll take everyone's advice and wear my earplugs to bed (in the quiet section!).

Legislation is for the law-abiding. No matter how many laws are passed, some knuckleheads ("I only bought the Schuberth because I love gadgets....") will ignore them. I'm no choirboy, but I like to think I'm fairly considerate of my neighbors, and especially fellow BMW riders, at the National. Maybe I expect too much. I hope to try again next year.

Signing off to buy more earplugs ----

Jeff

[kbasa]

I hate the guys that fire up their bike at 6am and let it idle for a while. Standing around early having a full on conversation is kind of inconsiderate.

:bluduh

[TrailingJack]

I like to sleep as much as the next guy but do some of you really think that a park full of thousands of people where they sell beer and have great music every night is going to just shut down so everyone can can get a good night's rest? Geez Louise, it's an event people go to so they can have some fun! I agree that people should be respectful of their neighbors but we can't expect it to be silent when we want it to.
That's why rooms were offered offsite. I say don't camp if you think that 9,000 other people might keep you awake. :rolleyes

[dancogan]

I agree that people should be respectful of their neighbors but we can't expect it to be silent when we want it to.
That's why rooms were offered offsite. I say don't camp if you think that 9,000 other people might keep you awake. :rolleyes

Geez Louise! So it's only the noisy ones that are entitled to have things their way? I agree, both at the rally and at private campgrounds we've visited, not to mention hotels and motels, one noisy group can ruin a night's sleep for everyone else. But is it really asking too much for a modicum of quiet at 5:30 AM?

[SheRidesABeemer]

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You're right about jerks - I sure hope you don't think I'M one for wanting to catch some much needed sleep. Next time I'll take everyone's advice and wear my earplugs to bed (in the quiet section!).

Jeff
Hey Jeff, I wasn't implying you were a jerk about wanting some quiet time. I think people were jerks for getting up at 5:30AM and gabbing as if it where 5:30 PM, they where clueless, but there is no stopping them. Big crowd, many clueless people. And the legislation reference was a snide remark that you can't legislate people into being bright. :D

Good luck with the earplugs next time, I slept in 'till 8:00 with them!

[Kutcher]

:violin :fight :fight :violin :bottle

Ahhh, remember how excited everyone was before the rally? :buds

All the plans- the fun- anticipation...

Can't we all just get along? :brad

Next year, all you loud types to one side- all those who need thier beauty rest to the other side...
AND STAY THERE -- or else when your father comes home you'll all get a beat'in!!! :bolt

[rlonstein]

Good luck with the earplugs next time, I slept in 'till 8:00 with them!

Same here, ear plugs. I'm a lousy sleeper but with the plugs, even the idiot with the firecrackers didn't register until someone mentioned it the next day. Anyone who assumes that a few thousand campers with beer or booze are going to be a) on your schedule, or b) quiet, is making a mistake.

I thought it was remarkably polite and quiet.

- Ross

[Jeff Brown]

Same here, ear plugs. I'm a lousy sleeper but with the plugs, even the idiot with the firecrackers didn't register until someone mentioned it the next day. Anyone who assumes that a few thousand campers with beer or booze are going to be a) on your schedule, or b) quiet, is making a mistake.

I thought it was remarkably polite and quiet.

- Ross

Well, you're all right, of course. And we did have a good time EXCEPT for the aforementioned incident. And the ride home Saturday in the deluge.... I will not be put off rallies by this - I've experienced MUCH worse. Not at a BMW rally, though.

So, earplugs it will be next time.

Be careful out there!

Jeff Brown
Deering, NH
96 K1100RS

[iRene]

In the Rally Music thread, folks are "geeesh-ing" about a 10:50pm end to the beer tent entertainment. There was a large complex of residential condos visible beside the fairground perimiter fence (although I KNOW the fairgrounds were there long before....)
So it looks to me like there was some institutional effort to keep noise down even before midnight, probably by ordinance. However, we all rely heavily on the individuals camping with us and moving through the camping areas to maintain reasonable quiet, and that may often be wishful thinking.

[Beemeup]

This was my first National and I expected plenty of neighbors and noisy ones
at that. My neighbors were very quiet, but I was camped by the road leading
to the back portions of the camping area, so I had lots of traffic.

Ear plugs make for good neighbors and no traffic noise. I didn't have
any trouble sleeping at all. The rally was a blast and now I know why
everyone gets so excited about it every year. Thanks to the volunteers
and organizers for doing such a great job.

[ridewv]

Guys, it's a campground, not a monastery. People get up at different times, snore, burp, fart, screw, etc. As long as people didn't carry on loudly until 2AM, it didn't bother me in the least. Maybe I'm just used to camping with a bunch of type-A skydivers on the weekend.

Unfortunately our somewhat secluded area was discovered by a nasty group from NY City. There was one of them that had to be the most obnoxious, jerk I've *ever* been around! Mostly his speech consisted of "gimme a bea", or "gimme a mother f%#*ing bea". He drank all afternoon, all evening past 11PM when I turned in. They got louder and louder and by 2:30 my earplugs wouldn't even block them out. The next morning at *7AM* he was drinking beer. When I returned that evening he was...you guessed it. He was loud, got on his or his buddies bikes and did beer runs doing burn-outs in the grass.
One of them had asked for another to help by pushing he and his bike backwards, slight grade. His "buddy" pushed him so hard and fast he fell over. They brought a howl of laughter from them.
After they built a fire that was getting out of hand Friday night the Sherriff came around 1:00 and told them to put it out. They spread it out as if they were but when he left they just piled on more. It went on all night. Loud then louder, gimmee a bea, MF this, MF that....Saturday morning around 6:45 the Jerk was up still drinking beer.
Saturday night it rained and they were drinking outside when it let up and in their tents when it rained. The only pleasent part was listening to them complain about water in their tents. Sunday morning I was up packing to leave at 6AM. When I was just ready to leave Jerk and some of his buddies crawled out of their wet tents and were opening beers!
This was the worst camping experience I've ever had and I've had a few! Has anyone here been around anything this bad at a BMW rally?

[SheRidesABeemer]

This was the worst camping experience I've ever had and I've had a few! Has anyone here been around anything this bad at a BMW rally?

Sorry about your bad experience...but there where plenty of open areas to move too.

[tourunigo]

...uh....time for a motorhome maybe? too bad it did not meet your expectationtions but...it is...really...a motorcycle rally. Motorcycle Rally.-Bob

[ridewv]

Sorry about your bad experience...but there where plenty of open areas to move too.

You don't have to be sorry and I'm not blaming the rally. I'm aware there were other areas to pack up and move to. I hoped they would party themselves out so I wouldn't have to pack up. Some beside me moved and others just left the rally early.

...uh....time for a motorhome maybe? too bad it did not meet your expectationtions but...it is...really...a motorcycle rally. Motorcycle Rally.-Bob

Bob, uh... I don't think a motorhome would have made any difference. The rally was great and all my expectations were met regarding the rally. I myself, enjoyed the Longtail ales and comradre and many rally goers were up to the wee hours laughing and whatever This is to be expected and there are allways earplugs. I have gone to many motorcycle rallys over the years but I'm just saying neither I nor any of the others from NY, PA, NJ, NH, camped in the area, ever saw and heard such an inconsiderate group. Ever.
On the up side this is the only bad camping experience at a BMW rally and I've been going to them for quite a while.

[ROLAND]

Guys, it's a campground, not a monastery. People get up at different times, snore, burp, fart, screw, etc. As long as people didn't carry on loudly until 2AM, it didn't bother me in the least. Maybe I'm just used to camping with a bunch of type-A skydivers on the weekend.

I had to leave early Sat. morning, so I apologized in advance to those around me for the inevitable rustling of nylon and such, but by the time I got up (6AM) it seemed half the people around me were already up and about.

Where do you SKYDIVE??????????????????

[38131]

Yup, not a monastery, yup it's a motorcycle rally. Yup, we were there. We had an idea that it was gonna be one of those nights when this dude started by breaking up some small wooden structures, pieces of fairgrounds equipment, to start a fire. Pinning the throttle for a good, ol' fashioned burnout (one of the longest I've ever heard, but K bikes have a pretty good cooling system, after all) was a nice effect, and telling the guys who came out of their tents to ask him to stop to go f**k themselves was a nice touch. We got to hear about jews, women, and homos. . . did you know that "all these BMW guys are homos"? Apparently you just go to the rallys to get away from your wives and get it on together. Oh, yes, and when the security guys left after being told to go f**k themselves (all three times they came out) we got to hear about how he could do anything he wanted- 'cause he had his .45 with him. Yeah, being women (and homos, actually) ourselves we were quite charmed.

Saying that people can just leave where they're camped in the middle of the night and go somewhere else is simplistic garbage. Saying that people should put up with this kind of behavior because "it's a motorcycle rally" is more of the same. The rally was a great time, lots of great people, great music, excellent beer, and amazing roads. But a whole bunch of people were more bleary-eyed than they needed to be for Saturday morning riding than they deserved to be because one jerk felt the need to put his inadequacies on display. In some ways, his trusting nature of his fellow BMW party-goers was quite touching, as he could be pretty certain that nobody would call the real cops. . . "unit please respond to the fairgrounds, complaint of disorderly intoxicated individual destroying country property and starting a fire, must be considered armed. . " wouldn't that have been a treat?

Aargh. We had a great time. Will we go again? Dunno.

[kbasa]

Yup, not a monastery, yup it's a motorcycle rally. Yup, we were there. We had an idea that it was gonna be one of those nights when this dude started by breaking up some small wooden structures, pieces of fairgrounds equipment, to start a fire. Pinning the throttle for a good, ol' fashioned burnout (one of the longest I've ever heard, but K bikes have a pretty good cooling system, after all) was a nice effect, and telling the guys who came out of their tents to ask him to stop to go f**k themselves was a nice touch. We got to hear about jews, women, and homos. . . did you know that "all these BMW guys are homos"? Apparently you just go to the rallys to get away from your wives and get it on together. Oh, yes, and when the security guys left after being told to go f**k themselves (all three times they came out) we got to hear about how he could do anything he wanted- 'cause he had his .45 with him. Yeah, being women (and homos, actually) ourselves we were quite charmed.

Saying that people can just leave where they're camped in the middle of the night and go somewhere else is simplistic garbage. Saying that people should put up with this kind of behavior because "it's a motorcycle rally" is more of the same. The rally was a great time, lots of great people, great music, excellent beer, and amazing roads. But a whole bunch of people were more bleary-eyed than they needed to be for Saturday morning riding than they deserved to be because one jerk felt the need to put his inadequacies on display. In some ways, his trusting nature of his fellow BMW party-goers was quite touching, as he could be pretty certain that nobody would call the real cops. . . "unit please respond to the fairgrounds, complaint of disorderly intoxicated individual destroying country property and starting a fire, must be considered armed. . " wouldn't that have been a treat?

Aargh. We had a great time. Will we go again? Dunno.

That's definitely not typical. Sorry you folks had issues with nitwits.

[Burnszilla]

Next time take a dump in the Jerk's tent when he's not around. :laugh

[raven]

And the reason for not informing a Law officer was?

[jdmetzger]

If a guy claimed to have a gun and was drinking, I would have been away from the area and alerting law enforcement, for sure.

Personally, I must have been in a good area. Sure, I heard the moron with the fireworks early in the morning and so on, but overall, I was happy. If there are enough complaints, the MOA could always get an officer or two for the rally. Many police offers do "off duty" work, at least around here. They still wear their uniforms, have all their gear, and I'm sure one or two would be MORE than enough for the few idiots who will always show up.

Not sure how much that would cost or if it's necessary, but always an option. We don't want to turn it into a police state, of course.

[38131]

We thought about alerting the local constabulary. . . but in the end decided against it. My estimation of the jerk- and this was basically one guy- was (and is) that he's a pitiful creature, probably a cubicle dweller with very little perceived control over anything in his life, and the only way he knows to impress people (or get any acknowledgement at all of his miserable existence) is negatively. "I popped my first can at 8 this morning, I can ride wrecked. . . " Sorry to sound jaded, gang, but I'm RN team leader for the orthopaedic trauma team at a large medical center here in NH, and these are the people I spend waaay too much time on the phone with every day. What do you think would have happened if we'd called the cops? It'd've undoubtedly been a complete 2AM nightmare for 8,000 people, SWAT teams and helicopters, and we'd probably all be wondering whether there was ever going to be a rally again and how the MOA was going to survive this.

[ROLAND]

Well I Camped over behind Beer Tent and had no problem with noice at all. The Band just sounded good as I went to sleep. I was going to go to Quiet Campiming. Glad I didn't.................

[TrailingJack]

Not to contradict my earlier post on this subject (post#22) as I am generally tolerable of people having fun, we were also camped back there in the woods near the above mentioned "jerk". It was every bit as bad as the earlier posts relate. Not cool.

We did enjoy meeting good folks back there, though (ridewv, 38131) :wave

[jdmetzger]

Well I Camped over behind Beer Tent and had no problem with noice at all. The Band just sounded good as I went to sleep. I was going to go to Quiet Campiming. Glad I didn't.................

I had my tent pitched near the beer tent; my tent was against the fence with nothing but trees behind me. I stayed up to hear the bands, but every night I fell asleep listening to the distant sound of people talking at the beer tent; it was like white noise. I wasn't real big on the people leaving for rides at 4:30-5:00am, but earplugs worked for that. Where do you GO that early, and WHY? Breakfast on the coast? ;)

What area was "quiet camping"? I never saw a sign for it, but after reading about Lima, I figured it was all about the same.

[The_Veg]

I wasn't real big on the people leaving for rides at 4:30-5:00am, but earplugs worked for that. Where do you GO that early, and WHY? Breakfast on the coast?
It's the old farts who naturally wake up at 4 and can't go back to sleep. :laugh

[BoxerTwin]

What area was "quiet camping"? I never saw a sign for it, but after reading about Lima, I figured it was all about the same.


The quiet area was back by the rear exit of the grounds.

[wuli959]

Not to contradict my earlier post on this subject (post#22) as I am generally tolerable of people having fun, we were also camped back there in the woods near the above mentioned "jerk". It was every bit as bad as the earlier posts relate. Not cool.

We did enjoy meeting good folks back there, though (ridewv, 38131) :wave

If it isn't already a std practice, it sounds like having a local LEO on site to handle escalated issues from the volunteer security team should be considered.:nra

(wasn't there on-site security and fire at LIMA?)

[Friedle]

It is already standard practice. Just cause you didn't see uniforms doesn't mean they weren't there.

Friedle

[j-budimlya]

they help alot with the wind noise on the road...

And they help with the "wind" nosie at night.... :dance

go get yourself another pair.....and give them a chance...

They don't make it quiet...they just take care of the wind..... :doh

[wuli959]

It is already standard practice. Just cause you didn't see uniforms doesn't mean they weren't there.

Friedle

Big assumption . . . but if they were there, why weren't made aware of the drunk & disorderly after the volunteer security team had to visit three times? :bluduh

looks like a disconnect between the volunteer and professional security team

[38131]

Statdawg, believe it or not, all of this was happening about 50 yards further into that same area. . . and as far as I could tell, this dude was a member.

[Belg]

Statdawg, believe it or not, all of this was happening about 50 yards further into that same area. . . and as far as I could tell, this dude was a member.


Really? I must be a realllllly deep sleeper, I was about 2 tents over from Stat :)

Wow...

[beemerron]

Did any of them park their bikes on the side?

[Fritzc]

For all of your complaining about noise, If you stayed near the Airheads tent Thursday night or was it Friday morning, you would have heard the idiot who brought the firecrackers, 3 packets.
I moved to the back 40 and slept better.

Roger Botting
Hey Roger it was quiet after you moved your camp!! HHHHMMMMMMM! :stick
http://www.amishdonkey.com/laughing-cat.php

[inkydinkyspider]

I was in same area of trailers. I use earplugs on bike and at night when camping. Put them in and slept well. Some dudes are obnoxious when sober and more so when intoxicated, best just to be avoided. You guys should go to a few Harley and sport bike rallies just to get things in perspective. Guns should not be tolerated and removed or left at the gate. Had a great time despite the rain! :dance :buds